One slightly used IHI turbo, for sale. Never raced or abused, only driven to church on Sundays. :lol:

After 60K miles of being run out of its map the IHI finally gave up the ghost. Certainly no complaints seeing as hard as I pushed it. What a job to get the stocker out and the CAC cleaned up after an oil-down. Here are some photos of the work in progress. Would have been much easier with the trans out but I did not feel like pulling it.

Start of the removal process:

http://www.bmdmax.com/images/Removal.jpg

Draining the CAC:

http://www.bmdmax.com/images/Oiled.jpg

I don't think the location could be any tougher:

http://www.bmdmax.com/images/buried2.jpg

The turbo is out:

http://www.bmdmax.com/images/removed.jpg

The unit is pretty heavy and a bear to pull out, it probably weighs a good 70 pounds:

http://www.bmdmax.com/images/turbo.jpg

Here is the turbo "kit":

http://www.bmdmax.com/images/TurboParts.jpg

Here is the rear of the turbo, you can see the damage from the turbine trying to eject from the rear of the turbo housing:

http://www.bmdmax.com/images/rear.jpg

Damage to the downpipe:

http://www.bmdmax.com/images/downpipe.jpg

The compressor still in the housing:

http://www.bmdmax.com/images/housing.jpg

The chunked up compressor:

http://www.bmdmax.com/images/compressor.jpg

http://www.bmdmax.com/images/compressor2.jpg

The turbine:

http://www.bmdmax.com/images/turbine.jpg

Still working out the replacement turbo details but hopefully I will have it back up and running soon! :ro)

I can't wait to see what you can do with a new turbo. :D

That sucks Brandon, but as you said, you got your moneys worth out of it.

Who would have thought that Got Juice was such a pioneer huh? At least he had a well documented procedure in cleaning out the junk.

How much boost were you running? Not that is really matters, I am just curious.

Fuel only would spike above 35 PSI, sometimes as high as 39 PSI. Average sustained was typically 31 to 35 PSI.

Nitrous passes would take it to 42 PSI.

Good writeup/pics, thanks.

Amazing how long it lasted. Any thoughts on what you're replacing it with?

Nitrous passes would take it to 42 PSI.:muahaha: That's awsome!

Good writeup/pics, thanks.

Amazing how long it lasted. Any thoughts on what you're replacing it with?

I have a few notions and I am kicking around some ideas that will possibly allow alternate turbo and oiling options once the pedestal goes on. I don't want to tackle that part again.....

JK as always has some good ideas so we will see what develops...

It wasn't pretty sounding when it went either. Bad grinding noises and LOTS of white smoke. Think it still made 500+ rwhp when it blew.


Good luck Brandon. Also curious what you have in mind for the replacement. Vendors should be knocking on your door since you are pretty well known nation wide for your trucks ability. Their product would look good if you were running it with success. Best of luck.


Edit: looks like you already have something in mind. :D
C-ya

It wasn't pretty sounding when it went either. Bad grinding noises and LOTS of white smoke. Think it still made 500+ rwhp when it blew.


Good luck Brandon. Also curious what you have in mind for the replacement. Vendors should be knocking on your door since you are pretty well known nation wide for your trucks ability. Their product would look good if you were running it with success. Best of luck.


Edit: looks like you already have something in mind. :D
C-ya

It just sucks that our turbo options are so limited right now. The best options are always "just a few months away". Tough to deal with when you want a turbo right now!

You should have heard it pop in the cab! :eek: David and I looked at each other like WTF and Oh sheeot at the same time. :lol:

Good thing we were not on a load cell dyno otherwise the hood might have come off. :rolleyes: Guess we managed enough boost on that inertia dyno to pop one after all. ;)

What? No pictures of the wife getting greasy with you?? :(

):h

My first IHI broke the turbine shaft in the same location. Did your cam bearing survive this turbo failure??

Donald McMullin

Visual looks to be OK. I need to do a pressure or turn over test to see what the oil flow looks like.

When yours went did it oil down the CAC? Based on the amount of oil in my intake as I was doing the removal I was already leaning toward the cam bearing being OK. That might not be a correct conclusion at any rate either but it looks fine on the visual too.

It just sucks that our turbo options are so limited right now. The best options are always "just a few months away". Tough to deal with when you want a turbo right now!

You should have heard it pop in the cab! :eek: David and I looked at each other like WTF and Oh sheeot at the same time. :lol:



When I decide to grenade one I sure do a fine job. :eek: :sorrysign

BTW - there is a little dirt on that bumper you need to clean up. :lol: (Brandon's truck with blown turbo after being on a trailer in the rain is cleaner than mine after a wash/wax. Sad, really sad :banghead: )

:funnypost BUT VERY TRUE , those Georgia winters are kind on the trucks down there;)

When the IHI turbine shaft failed it dumped @ 1/2 gallon of oil into the intercooler. I pulled the IC, cleaned it and pressure tested it up to 50 psig to make sure the IC did not have a leak. The cam bearing looked good when I replaced the stock broken IHI with a BD turbo. However within the next 700 miles the bearing spun and the BD turbo center section when south. Not sure as to the root cause of the cam bearing failure, however I would recommend taking an oil pressure reading at the turbo. The only problem with taking this reading is the stock banjo fitting, I have not found a double banjo fitting sized for the IHI turbo. I was working on installing an oil pressure take-off at the stock turbo oil inlet last week. I might have to maching my own banjo bolt to be able to stack the banjo fittings (stock oil feed and oil presssure take-off).

With the turbo installed, the oil pressure at the turbo should be equal to the engine oil pressure when running at full load. With the cam bearing spun and a new BD turbo installed, the oil pressure at the turbo when idling was @10 to 15 psig when the engine pressure was @ 60 psig (cold).

Along with installing an oil pressure readout from the turbo, I am installing a direct oil feed from the oil pump to the turbo. The second oil feed will also have an accumulator which will pre-oil the turbo on startup and maintain a higher oil pressure at the turbo when the engine rpm drop after a full load run.

Hope your cam bearing is not damaged and the R&R goes well.

Deep Enough
Donald McMullin

Thanks Don. It looks to be OK but I am going to rig an oil pressure gauge as well just to keep an eye on things.

I appreciate all the info and hopefully you don't encounter any further problems either!

(Brandon's truck with blown turbo after being on a trailer in the rain is cleaner than mine after a wash/wax. Sad, really sad :banghead: )

Having seen Brandon's truck in person, :Whoa:I have to agree with you and apply this quote to my truck as well.

Here is the vid from when it blew:

www.bmdmax.com/downloads/Turbo3.wmv

Man that just sounds bad.

Did I read where John said you are gonna try the BD Super Max turbo?


C-ya

How much time was spent to Remove the TURBO ???

Anyone make a watercooled unit as a replacement ???

Keep us updated.

T:cool: NY

WATERCOOLED, is a real question that may shed some light on these aftermarket turbos from blowing. Heat is the enemy of metal !

Anyone try a supplemental oil cooler to keep the turbo lubed?

It took me a day to remove the turbo, worked from about 11:00 AM to 8:00 PM. It would have went much faster with the trans out but all in all it is doable with it in.

You do need to rig some tools for the up pipe bolts as they are a bish. 12 point 12MM tools will get a workout, a variety of 3/8 and 1/2 u-joints with breaker bars work well.

I also found that a 12MM box end with a two x four and a 3 pound sledge works really well. I called it my mexican impact wrench. ):h

Sprayed everything really well with PB penetrating oil the night before. High temp anti-seize on reassembly is a must.

Another day was spent on CAC cleanup. I rigged up some funny stuff with the CAC boots, a 20 ounce soda bottle as an neckdown adapter, some heater hose, and some duct tape / clamps to create a hot-water flush system. Used about 5 gallons of degreaser treatment, greased lighting and simple green seems to work well.

I then used some 3 inch heater pipe, the CAC boots, duct tape, and my electric leaf blower to make a forced air dryer system. Pushing air through it at 120 MPH works good. :cool:

I expect another full day for assembly. If you had everything on hand it could be done over a weekend if you were cracking hard at it. I have been going slow as I have the time and an LLY to handle my performance withdrawls.

Individual results may vary.... :lol:

Man that just sounds bad.

Did I read where John said you are gonna try the BD Super Max turbo?


C-ya

Yep, that is correct. JK sent me out a kit late yesterday. We have a few ideas and my LB7 has always been a testbed. Not everything has always worked but trying new things has always been a big part of how well my truck has done.

Despite the rash of failures the s300 is a very successful turbo, capable of making great power as a single and does so reliably. Hopefully this turns out to be a success story and we end up having another turbo option.

If not then we will bolt something else up to it and give that a go. ;)

Well, best of luck and I'm sure it goes without saying, certainly keep us posted please.

Also, sorry we didn't get to meet at Smokin in the Smokies. You were a bit busy after the "kill" and I didn't even know who you were before that when I seen you in your truck on the dyno. I really wanted to pick your brain a little about the VA box I bought. If I remember what Tyson (Duraty) told me correctly, it used to be yours. Tyson (Duraty) bought it from you and I bought it from him. Do I have this right? Was it, in fact, yours? If so, would you please PM me whatever you can remember about it in your spare time, I'd really appreciate it.

Did that guy with the Harley Davidson GMC get his tune figured out? He was pretty dissappointed in his numbers. They were good but I know he was expecting quite a bit more. I felt bad for him.


Anyways, enough off-topic. Sorry.


Best of luck Brandon, I'm sure you/your truck will bring out the true abilities of this turbo. Hopefully it is positive.


C-ya

Well, best of luck and I'm sure it goes without saying, certainly keep us posted please.

Also, sorry we didn't get to meet at Smokin in the Smokies. You were a bit busy after the "kill" and I didn't even know who you were before that when I seen you in your truck on the dyno. I really wanted to pick your brain a little about the VA box I bought. If I remember what Tyson (Duraty) told me correctly, it used to be yours. Tyson (Duraty) bought it from you and I bought it from him. Do I have this right? Was it, in fact, yours? If so, would you please PM me whatever you can remember about it in your spare time, I'd really appreciate it.

Did that guy with the Harley Davidson GMC get his tune figured out? He was pretty dissappointed in his numbers. They were good but I know he was expecting quite a bit more. I felt bad for him.


Anyways, enough off-topic. Sorry.


Best of luck Brandon, I'm sure you/your truck will bring out the true abilities of this turbo. Hopefully it is positive.


C-ya

Mitch,
Things did get a bit off kilter after the turbo popped, I wish I would have had more time to BS with everyone there and meet you as well.

I did not sell my VA to Tyson, he must have me confused with someone else. I still have mine, it is the JK 200+ version. I'd be happy to discuss it with you though to try and figure out what you have, just PM me with any questions or contact info.

Gunbunny has the LLY you saw there and we did some troubleshooting on his truck but nothing concrete was nailed down. It still was moving out pretty good despite looking to be about 40 HP low on his tune. It did smoke way more than expected and the turbo definitely did not have the usual sound or cycling characteristics. No codes and the vanes did cycle with the Tech II but based on some other info I'd suspect a possibly cracked control ring on the turbo. We might know more in a few days based on the teardown on another truck with similar symptoms.

I am looking forward to running the BD turbo and I hope for some good results. I will definitely post whatever happens but maybe some good press will be coming for BD if it works out.

Once the install is done there will be dyno and track results following soon as we certainly have my results documented on the IHI.

Thanks Brandon. I feel pretty sure Tyson told me the correct person (meaning I don't think he lied to me) it just isn't you and my memory is remembering it crooked. :D ;) Its hard to keep all the names that I read and hear straight in my head. Oh well. I can ask him later when I think about it. It is a strong tune and dynoed pretty good all by itself on his truck. I think he stacked it and sprayed it as well with some good luck.

Take care,

SmokeShow, I sold my VA to Tyson... You have it now? PM me with any questions you have about it and I will try to fill you in.

Brandon, with the fuel you have, you should lite that BD nicely:ro)

Get the BD on yet? Initial thoughts??


C-ya

Mitch,

The project stalled a bit pending some potential updates. Good news is I expect a delivery today that should have things back on track for this weekend.

With any luck I will have a drive report on Sunday. :)

You know if BD sold the pedestal alone they'd make a ton of money..

You know if BD sold the pedestal alone they'd make a ton of money..

Its a little off topic but so would ATS and so will trannytom when he releases his :D




Anxiously awaits the weekends news! :cool:


C-ya

What does the pedestal do by itself?

It opens the door for the owners to choose what turbo they would like to run rather than depending on a kit.

You still have to deal with the exhaust and compressor housing fitment issues, oil supply and understanding what turbo will be in its map for what power level you want. Not all users will be able to handle all of those things but it sure will be nice to have options to play with.

Got it. I guess it would allow some more folks to make kits using off-the-shelf components too.

It will also kill the overinflated turbo prices.. If you only knew what an S300 actually costs....

It will also kill the overinflated turbo prices.. If you only knew what an S300 actually costs....

$300-$400 ?

You can buy them at the diesel shops for around 550.00 eating the core charge. There are various trims too.. Just need to know the part numbers

Its a little off topic but so would ATS and so will trannytom when he releases his :D




Anxiously awaits the weekends news! :cool:


C-ya

I guess you guys haven't called in to ask if you can get one, because we've been selling them separately for some time, we just don't advertise it.

Why not advertise them? :)

Because which one would you rather sell? A 1000.00 pedestal or a 5000.00 turbo :D