What are some of you guys paying for the spray in liners? Are they pretty pricey? Itd be going in a 03 chevy ext cab short box....Are there any others out there that do this beside line-x? Thanks-Adam

In my area there is line-x and Rhino lining... i like the look of line-x better.. rhino seems a bit softer and may not slip as much... but i didn't care for its appearance.. plus the rhino guy wouldn't spray my wheel wells..only the line-x guy would.

I've got superliner, which has builtin UV protection. Rhino and Line'x will fade if not treated periodically. And the superliner was cheaper- $350 compared to ~$400 for Rhino and Line-x.

I paid $365 for my Line-X over the rail. It is fading a bit after nearly a year and a half, but I use 303 on it and it makes it look new again for a while. Only problem is when you are washing the truck and get in the bed when it is wet, it gets rather slippery almost fell on my a$$ twice...

4x4man that was a good price.


Just got my new truck done with LineX and it was $465 for a long bed, over the rails.

I paid $450 last week to go over the rails on my short bed.


Rick

Line-X out here is going for $400 and up. I agree w/ Diesel Power Line-X looks better than Rhino Liner. The Rhino feels like you could poke a knife thru it, it feels that soft. For anyone interested in a Line-X here is a coupon off their corporate website.

Click on coupon and then print

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Line-X under the rail on my short bed with the coupon cost me $395 out the door.

Line-X $400 for a short box over the rail, paid $350 for the "off brand" version on my 2004 D***e work truck and $425 for my 03 GMC with a long box.

I can't believe you would through away $350 on a D***e!

Paid $450 for short box over the rail line-x nearly one year ago.

4X4, How long did that job take. Hopefully it was'nt a wipe and spray job. Not saying that's what happened to you, but I got a great price on my 2nd Line-X and that is what the guy pulled. By the time I traded that truck the stuff was peeling everywhere. The other two applications, including the current one has held up well and looks great. I opted to have the plastic tailgate guard taken off and sprayed instead, looks much better.

Went with Speedliner at $389 under the rail. It is suppose to be 2X stronger then Rino or Line-X and has better UV protection. They also use a seperate adhesion step the other don't. You can get some factory colors for the same price. It has a lifetime warranty but only from your dealer. You can select from different textures. Final deciding factor was that the dealer had 7 years of experience and looked at some beds he had done.

Line-X stands up to my 3000 psi power washer............


2 years of abuse............not a problem at all............


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I just had my short bed Rhino lined over the rail with my RK box sprayed for $440 in Texas.

I have mine sprayed with Rhino Linings right at the time I took delivery of my truck. For $430, I have the short bed, tailgate, and bed rails sprayed. Well worth the money spent. This product look awesome and is fairly smooth but not slippery. Would definitely buy again in the future.


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I was able to get the LINE-X over the rail for 325. While I was negotiating for the pick-up with the dealer he said he had a volume discount set up with the LINE-X guy and if I wanted to get it later he would get me the discount. So you might want to check with your dealer.I waited a few months and he still was able to help me.

I got Line X short bed, sprayed on a 1/4 in thick, for 365.00. I love it, although, it is fading alittle, and tends to stain. Edited by: Duramaxdad

SpeedLiner..... lifetime warrenty.....does not fade......custom colors, they mix the exact color of your truck.....better tensil than Line-X.....can be patched. The only downside is drying time, it takes a solid 3 days to cure.


Cost ---&gt; Over the rails on a standard full size bed = 399 I do not know another price but I think a longbed is 450.


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motovet-


Sorry for the late reply. The job took about 3 hours or so. My buddy talked the Line-X guy into giving us a volume discount if we brought in two trucks. He agreed and we brought in our trucks!! Sometimes you never know if you can get a discount unless you ask. I am starting to learn this after watching my buddy.


Bob

OK, time to chime in. I can give you some real information instead of only opinions and hype. Here are some facts:


Rhino (Tuff Stuff): Shore A (90-95), tensile strength 2,700-2,900 psi, temperature tolerance 175 degrees, contains no polyurea, gels in a few minutes, cures in 24 hours.


Speedliner: Shore A (92), tensile strength 4,700 psi, temp tolerance is unknown, contains polyurea-probably not.


Superliner: Shore A (85), tensile strength 4,300 psi, temperature tolerance 180 degrees, contains no polyurea (see note below).


LINE-X: Shore D (45), tensile strength 1,800 psi, temperature tolerance 250 degrees, DOES contain polyurea, dries in 4 seconds, cures in 24 hours.


Shore rating means hardness. The number scale is 1 to 100, soft to hard. Shore A is for rubbers, shore D is for plastics. When comparing tensile strengths, you must compare apples to apples. You can't compare a shore A tensile to a shore D tensile. So, LINE-X is by far the harder and toughest of all the liners. Speedliner would be the hardest and strongest of the rubber liners, but not as tough as LINE-X. Polyuea is an expensive but desireable component. It keeps moisture out of the solution prior to spraying for better adhesion. It makes the finished liner harder, gives it a higher temperature tolerance, and makes it more resistant to organic oils. Pure polyurethane liners have a low temperature tolerance (about 175 degrees). They lose a lot of their strength when it gets hot in the summertime, that's when they tend to gouge.


Don't believe me that LINE-X is the toughest? Go to the dealers and get a sample. Then, rub the samples together. LINE-X will chew all of them up.


Look at Speedliner's website. They don't even tell you exactly what the heck it is. Is it polyurethane or maybe some type of epoxy paint. They compare Speedliner to Rhino, but they don't dare to compare to LINE-X because LINE-X would blow them away.


Look at Superliner's website. They mention "polyurea", but that is most likely a mistake. Aliphatic vs. aromatic has to do with the carbon chains in polyurethanes, NOT polyurea. If it were really polyurea, their product would have a much higher temperature tolerance. Also, cold/low pressure applications cannot spray polyurea because it sets up too fast. LINE-X's application is with heat/high pressure.


Each liner has its good points and bad points. But, considering the the whole, LINE-X is the better product. In 2001, the Air Force tested 23 polyurethane liners. LINE-X was the ONLY liner that passed all of their tests. That's why LINE-X has the contract to spray inside US submarines. And, that's why part of the Pentagon was sprayed with LINE-X after 9-11. That same technology is available for our pickup trucks.


Regarding warranties: LINE-X is the ONLY product that offers a National Lifetime Warranty. If you have any problem, you can take it to any LINE-X dealer. If you have a problem with the other liners, you have to take it back to the dealer that sprayed it (if they are still in business).


LINE-X also sprays colors. LINE-X has standard colors (navy blue, maroon, etc.) or can actually color MATCH the paint on your truck. The lifetime warranty applies here also.


I think I hit all of the points, sorry for such a long post.





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When I asked about colors on Line-X I was told that color fade or change (white yellowing) was NOT covered under warranty at all.

My line-x dealer can't do colors. I REALLY wanna coat my rocker panels since I have that crappy white paint that chips if you look at it wrong. I tell you what, I have completely given up on GM as far as their paint is concerned. I have had 3 trucks, and 88, 98 and now the 04 and they all sucked in terms of paint durability. My F*rd won't chip, even when I throw the kids at it http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif.


In any case, has ANYONE tried white Rhino, Speedliner, ??? on their rockers and had it hold up? I guess I could always do it in black, but I need to bust out on photoshop to see what it would really look like.

Wow, thanks for the post truckdad. Covered everything i wnated to know and way more....I had planned on going w/line-x from the get go, and still prolly will down the line,gonna wait a bit,and save some dough....til then ill just run a heavy duty rubber matt in it...
One other question, when it says it needs to cure for 24 hrs, does that mean i simply cant put anything it, or i cant drive it all all, as the wind will screw it up???Thanks-Adam

One other question, when it says it needs to cure for 24 hrs, does that mean i simply cant put anything it, or i cant drive it all all, as the wind will screw it up???Thanks-Adam


It meant that you cannot put anything on the bed until it fully cures. I was told the same thing when I got mine Rhino-Lined but I am pretty sure this is similar method for other spray-on products. Just to be on the safe side, I let mine cures for a few days before putting anything on it.

ArmorThane is what I have and here are their specs:
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LINE-X dries in 4 seconds, meaning you can put your hand on it and it is hard and dry. The chemicals totally cure in 24 hours. You can use it immediately for light duty. Wait 24 hours to put anything really super heavy on it. I would think it's OK to stand on it after about an hour. It isn't going to "break" or anything, you just don't want to mess up it's nice texture (which is sort of like orange peel). Other liners take few minutes to even gel, then several hours to dry. By the way, a long gel time is a bad thing. Gravity pulls the liner off the top ridges into the low valleys and you end up with a non-uniform applied liner. Look at LINE-X of San Diego's website and read and look at the Rhino he pulled out of a truck.


Regarding colors. LINE-X dealers are fee to choose whether or not to spray colors. I think you will find that the newer dealers, those that have been in business less than one year, may not be ready to spray colors. I would say that dealers who spray colors will warranty them except for perhaps white and maybe yellow, they are so darn light and harder to maintain. Darker colors are much easier to maintain.


If you want a liner on your rocker rails, or bumpers, or brush guards, etc., you better get a hard liner like LINE-X. You will be sorry if you get a soft liner!


Thanks for the info on ArmorThane. Lets digest the info. Shore A 92 with a tensile of 1,800. The softness is about the same as Rhino but has a substantially less tensile strength. Elongation is acceptable. I don't know Rhino's tear resistance, but LINE-X's is 304 lbs, ArmorThane's is 230 lbs. I'ts flexural modulus is exactly the same as Rhino's. It does not show temperature tolerance which would give additional insight as to its chemical makeup. Their website states that it is polyurethane. One good thing is that the website states that it is repairable. My understanding is that Rhino cannot spray on top of it's own liner. ArmorThane is unclear whether or not they can actually spray in a repair or they have to use a hand mix technique. LINE-X can spray on top of its own liner AND has a hand mix available for repairs if needed. I "dealer searched" on their website. There are not many dealers around, they have been in business "over a decade". Here are three states: 6 in California, 5 in Texas, 1 in New York.





Edited by: TruckDaddy

Shore rating means hardness. The number scale is 1 to 100, soft to hard. Shore A is for rubbers, shore D is for plastics. When comparing tensile strengths, you must compare apples to apples. You can't compare a shore A tensile to a shore D tensile. So, LINE-X is by far the harder and toughest of all the liners. Speedliner would be the hardest and strongest of the rubber liners, but not as tough as LINE-X.








Truckdaddy, I am not here to argue about bedliners , but only your material science. Tensile has nothing to do with hardness. Tensile is a measurement of PSI and does not correlate to hardness. Although I don't know the exact conversion factors, I do know that a material with a hardness of 90 Shore A is close to having the same hardness of a material of 43 Shore D. This being said I think the Speedliner and LineX are very similar as far as hardness. Comparing apples to apples, Speedliner has a much higher tensile strength than the LineX. You actually stated that Shore A is for Rubber materials and Shore D is for Plastic materials. This would also explain the higher Tensile for the Speedliner. Tensile strength is defined as the highest amount of tensile stress that can be applied before a material ceases to be elastic. When you think of elasticity you also think rubbers and thus the higher tensile strength of the Speedliner.


All this being said, I would have the LineX put into my truck, but the nearest dealer is over 1.5 hours away. So I am still researching my other possibilities. One thing I am really concerned with is UV resistance.

I have Full Metal Jacket has any one heard any information about this kind of liner?

I google searched and found some information regarding FMJ. It is a pure polyurea product as opposed to a pure polyurethane liner like most of the liners on the market, LINE-X is a mix of polyurethane and polyurea. Unfortunately, their website doesn't give any technical specs. While polyurea adds some unique and desirable properties to a liner, it may not be desirable in a pure form. For example, polyurethane provides 2-3 times better abrasion resistance than polyurea. Also, the polyetheramine and other amine reactants in a typical polyurea formula have a tendency to yellow somewhat more than the hydroxyl polyol based polyurethanes.


Regarding Shore rating: Yes, you can cross reference Shore A and Shore D. Feel Rhino and feel LINE-X. There is a very obvious difference. Rhino is much softer, you can even dig your nail into it. Not so with LINE-X, much harder.


Edited by: TruckDaddy

Having owned both, I definitely prefer Line-X over Rhino. Both are plenty hard for what MOST people would use them for. My rhino liner hauled tons of gravel without problems and I am confident the Line-X would do the same.


The reason I like Line-X over Rhino is aesthetics. It looks better, conforms to the bed better, is thinner, and cost was about the same for the area I was in.


Line-X dealers (I only contacted about 4 when I was looking to put mine on) would all give 10% discount when asked, even better than the 20$ coupon on their Internet site.


TruckDaddy, you are right on the money, thanks for all the info.


Dennis

After reading all of this, I think I'm going to stay with a drop in. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Drop in? I got Line-X. I just had a rubber mat in the bottom of my old truck which worked pretty good id say go with that if you dont want to shell out the cash for a spray in but if your willing to id definately go with it, i think it was worth the money.

Drop ins are noisy and wear the paint off the bed while holding dirt and moisture in. A good recipe for Rust http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

I was actually originally and half-heartedly teasing. I've had so much good luck with drop ins that's what I did. But it was good to see all sides of the issue, including the statistics provided.


I just have to wonder how much of the personal decision is based marketing hype with a little FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt) added in, and how much is based upon your own useage of the truck bed. I don't haul that much stuff, plus I have a tonneau which helps. My last truck was 10 years old and when I removed the liner, the bed was fine.


It's another religious kind of decision for each to make.

I wish you could see some of the beds after we take out drop-ins. Some are definately worse than others. A cover on the bed does make a difference. Most folks who research the advantages/disadvantages of a spray-in already know about most of the things discussed here. The one thing that they usually don't realize is how much more cargo room you have with a spray-on. Drop-ins take up a lot of room.

I only had a drop in once.


It was a dark blue toyota and when I took the liner out to give it a detailed bath I was horrified to see all the white areas in the bed and on the rails. Im sure useage and a cover make a difference, but I swore never to use a drop in again.


Plus, the drop in was always slippery when wet where the spray in grippy.


This is definately a 'to each his own' thing.

Drop-in's are great.... if you're hauling dirt, sod, gravel, firewood or something like that. However, they do let things slide. I had a liner in my 1500 and thought is was nice untill I smashed the corner of the truck. I had a 300 lb piece of Iron in the bed that slid and crushed the right rear corner. If I ever use a drop-in it will have a rubber bedmat on top of it.


my .02


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I have an 85 C10 with a 6.2L and it's on it's second drop in. When the first one was completely worn out and removed, the bed underneath was perfect. Just like the day it was delivered.

I have an 85 C10 with a 6.2L and it's on it's second drop in. When the first one was completely worn out and removed, the bed underneath was perfect. Just like the day it was delivered.


I CALL B.S.! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Sorry Alan, I've got to agree with Mr. Paranoid............ that's a crock. Unless you have a rubber mat........ you must be mistaken.

Lets start by getting my boxers out of the wad from being cllaed a BS'r. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif I can BS with the best of you but I'm sorry to have to dissapoint you'all on this one. You can call BS or whatever you want but I've got the truck to prove it. I have no reason to lie, I'm not here to sell either type. I'm just telling my experience. Sorry you don't like it or choose not to accept it.


When I had this truck repainted the only thing that needed to be done to the bed was light surface prep sanding and straighten the front top rail by the cab where something slammed forward (confirming all the slick bed comments &amp; a spray in couldn't have prevented). I'm not about to go to the trouble of pulling out the bed liner to prove it, but if someone wants to put up some cash, I'd be happy to. I can also put you in touch with the shop that repainted it. Of course you may call BS on them too cause they won't tell you what you want to hear.


BTW, I hunt with guys that have the spray in type and they have blood stains that won't come out and scratches that look like crap from 4 wheeler ramps. I suppose that's BS too. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif


Here's the truck in question. I don't have any pics of the bed as it's never been something I thought much about, but you can see from the pic this truck is in pretty good shape. As is/was the bed!! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif


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Hey Dmax,


I really didnt mean to tick you off, I guess I didnt think calling BS was that offensive in this environment but my bad k http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


I work with a bunch of x-sailors 12 hours a day and calling bs (and worse) is like saying hello.


Generally, when someone calls bs on something you're sure of, you tell em' :


"If Im wrong, I'll kiss your Arse on the corner of (any big intersection) and give you half an hour to draw a crowd!" http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


Anyway, sorry. Im not in the bedliner business either so to each his own.

...Mr. Paranoid...........





Whats up with that? Me? No, Im just a bit anal about a truck that cost me DOUBLE what any previous truck has.... Well, except for the 6.0PSD but I like this truck http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif

It may be possible to use the life out of a bed liner and not even scratch the paint.... but I'm not buying it. I will agree to disagree with you on this. However, I would like to know what kind of liner the truck "wore out" and how many miles the plastic had on it?


Burner

2MuchFun,


I'm a Marine (once a Marine always a Marine) so I wasn't kidding when I said I could BS with the best. But in this case I'm not so if you really mean:


Hey Dmax,


I"If Im wrong, I'll kiss your Arse on the corner of (any big intersection) and give you half an hour to draw a crowd!" http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big%20Smile.gif





Then We'll (me and the crowd I gather) see you at the corner of Main &amp; Tennessee Sts in Cartersville, GA. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif Pick a day!

It may be possible to use the life out of a bed liner and not even scratch the paint.... but I'm not buying it. I will agree to disagree with you on this. However, I would like to know what kind of liner the truck "wore out" and how many miles the plastic had on it?


Burner





I don't remember the brand of the original, but it had 135,000 miles on it. The replacement is a TUFFLiner.


No problem with the agree to disagree, I can understand skepticism. Perhaps you might join us though at the corner of Main &amp; Tennessee Sts. It's a lot closer for you than 2MuchFun. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

2muchfun


I think that most of us here have listed our names, at least. It's nice to put a name with actions. I flamed ya to get that responce. No harm intended. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif I hope that you are not afraid of listing your real name or your first real name. .........


Richard AKA Burner------------&gt;http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif but I won't tell you my real nick name.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gifEdited by: Burner

Hey private Dmax....... you want me to kiss your arse? I'm not that kind'a fella. However, I know a sailor that's willing. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


I might just need to take a look at that truck. I'll be in Atlanta shortly.


BTW........ what's in your ears about "the new battery" problem in Iraq?





Burner-----------&gt; http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Hey private Dmax....... you want me to kiss your arse? I'm not that kind'a fella. However, I know a sailor that's willing. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


I might just need to take a look at that truck. I'll be in Atlanta shortly.


BTW........ what's in your ears about "the new battery" problem in Iraq?





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Arse wasn't really my idea, talk about what's offensie, sorry!


Come on over and take a look, but I still ain't unscrewing it to get it out without some cash rather than arse. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


All kidding aside, if you get over this way PM me and we can meet up.


Haven't heard anything about "the new battery in Iraq," I'm stuck here writing and only come up to breath or check out what's going on here at the Place.

Nice repartee.......After digesting the info on this topic I decided on Linex. I had it installed yesterday and I liked the idea of doing the wheel wells in the rear as I was tired of scrubbing under there. I paid $500 including tax. This is my 3rd crewcab dually and I had plastic insert liner in the previous 2 since spray ins weren't available then. I only had the liner out of the 2nd one and I was suprised at the wear under it. Most of the damage was caused by sand and you guys are right they were slippery.......thanks for all the good info...That was for under the rail, 8ft bed and 2 wheel wells


Gruber/Cal

Take care of that LINE-X by putting on some Just Once (www.justonce.com (http://www.justonce.com)) on it several times a year. It will keep it looking good as new.

Just a rhetorical question:


If it says 'Just Once' then why would you need to do it several times a year. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


Seriously though, have you tried leaving it off for a bit longer to see what happens?

Thanks,
Dennis

Hey, funny! Maybe they should change the name to "Just Now and Then".


You don't need the stuff right away. It's the same idea as putting Armorall on your dash. (But, don't use Armorall, it has silicone and will make the liner too slippery).

I wonder if I could just use it once a year, like when I actually clean my truck?


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Take care of that LINE-X by putting on some Just Once (www.justonce.com (http://www.justonce.com)) on it several times a year. It will keep it looking good as new.


I'll try it...how much does it take to do an 8ft bed and do I have to order it online?

From the looks of the website you can use this stuff on more than just the bedliner. TruckDaddy have you tried this stuff on anything else?


Thanks,
Dennis

Yes, I use it on the interior of my 2002 Corvette. I carry it in my LINE-X shop for customer convenience. Anyone around Fort Worth can come in and try it out for free if you want to. Or, give Just Once a call and see if they will send a free sample. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Thumbs Up.gif


Price wise, the 16oz bottle is a better deal and will be plenty for several applications. In case your wondering, I have absolutely no financial interest in that company. I like the stuff because it's a non-slip, non-oily, UV protectorant, that makes stuff look good. It has a satin sheen to it, which I like. It does not have that heavy gloss look, which I don't like.


Edited by: TruckDaddy

Shucks TruckDaddy if I knew you had a shop I would've buzzed out to Fort Worth and had you shoot it. After all it was all your specs that sold me. I could've drove by Waxahacie and checked out my old apt. I had there back in 1984 or so.......Next truck! Does that stuff restore the exterior black plastic around bumpers and the like?

Yep, Just Once is realllly good stuff


It took long enough to come up with the stuff though! I have been wanting a product with its exact attributes forever!


I use it on running boards, motorcycle everything and the roof of my toybox (it doesnt attract dust as a bonus)


BTW GRUBER, I think your price was pretty fair since they did the fenders for ya. Im going to have the inner rear fenders done and also the bottom rear portion behind the rear tire that gets beat with rocks. Im just still deciding if it will look ok.


BTW, the other day, I saw a silver Super Duty that had the Whole lower area of the truck sprayed with medium/dark grey Line-x. (as if it were two-tone) It looked darn good and kinda tough.

2muchfun...My truck is summit wht and hence the wheel wells were also wht....with the stock tires and the wht background it was looking pretty empty back there. I like it much better black. Plus I'm hoping it won't be as hard to clean as mud and such ilk really stood out. I'd post you picture but all it would look like is a black wheel well exactly like the front which comes black..........I ordered the "once" I'm gonna try on boat upholstery it's way cheaper than 303