I'd like to make it clear to EFI-Live that just because I 'resell' Autoenginuity, doesn't mean I wrote it. I'd rather sell a Tech2, but they're about 10X the price.
Don't be insecure in your product--it's good. I've stated up front who our software is for and how we chose to market it, and we wont deviate from that. Please don't bash us--it's hard enough to make a living when you don't get information handed to you.

I thought Casper was a friendly ghost...:(

Lyndon
www.ecmprogrammer.com (http://www.ecmprogrammer.com)
Westers Garage

Lyndon,

Before FredW (who is one of your re-sellers correct?) posted in an EFILive thread recommending Autoenginuity as an alternative to the EFILive scanner I did not know you sold it as you always stated the customers that purchase your Duramax tuner to would be expected to have a TechII.
It was in my interest to check it out to see what we might be up against, that's what competitors do - determine the competition, identify areas for self product improvement, and determine own features to set yourself apart from your competitors. I would expect any vendor in the market would do the same - be it Tuning software, transmission upgrades, or after market stereos. You've already determined your differentiating features.
I'll admit it was unfortunate that Autoenginuity put up screen shots of their Duramax scanner with O2, & knock sensor data - misinformation of that nature does not enhance a product's reputation, though, I have been guilty of a similar thing myself in the past :shake:

We are not insecure about our product, that is why we offer a fully functional download so people can try before they buy. We believe offering our software in this manner sets us apart from the competition, as does having an integrated scan tool - it's not about bashing the opposition, moreso selling our features that set us apart to our potential customers.

If you think we have information handed to us on a silver platter then so be it, I can't change your opinion, but, if we did, don't you think we would have LBZ support, and have had LB7 and LLY tuning out for a couple of years? .....we currently offer LS1/LS6 from 1998-2006, LB7, LLY and soon LS2 and LL8 4.2L. It has taken more than 2 years to get here. Compare that to your list of supported PCM's that you offer programming for on your website, from that I can only assume you have quite a team of engineers working on your products.

FYI, I am not a PC programmer, I would not know how to program in C+, Delphi, VB or any other PC language, thats not my role, what I do is CPU32 assembler, it's all I know, I've been doing it for years, all our reading / programming bootloaders were written by me in assembler from scratch to match our software, they were not a rip off of the TIS2000 programmer, I would not even know how to talk to a TechII.
The DSPē routines were all written in assembler, hey if I could have got someone to 'hand' me that information it sure would have saved me a bunch of work.
Our scanner was developed without anything more than an SAE OBD-II handbook and two LS1's to test it all on and we got plenty of grief in the early LS1 days from the opposition because we didn't pay GM $10K a year for the info like they did.

I know how hard it is to make a dollar and for you and I the less time we spend on here in conversations like this one the more we might stand to make.

Cheers,
Ross

Rosco:

i see you brought me into this again, just for your own interest, myself and a few others before Westers even was caring Autoenginuity, we purchased a group bye threw autoenginuity, so far the data logger works good for what we need to look at, and also allows us to log a few minutes of data.... from now on... please keep me out of your references

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I thought Casper was a friendly ghost...

I currently race 3 vehicles, so we name them to avoid confusion. Casper is the name of the white 05 GMC.

Casper is not owned in whole or in part by EFILive, nor sponsored by any company currently. I run what's fast regardless of brand, and have tested about 100 products that are used for performance improvement on General Motors vehicles. 90% of them I pay market price for. Yes, I'm foolish with my money. :D

While things do change, I speak for myself and the results of my testing, not for EFILive.

I did not test AutoEnginuity. I did test AutoTap, EASE, Tech II, and EFILive. (~$5000 worth) Unless there is some feature of AE that is unique or I'm loaned an evaluation unit, I probably will not test it. The EFILive datalogging capability is fairly complete and superior to a Tech II in most aspects.

I do think it's comical that everyone in the tuning industry accuses everyone else of cheating and taking shortcuts. All that does is show outsiders/buyers that the tuning industry is "shady", and does nobody any good, not the buyers or sellers. Some tuners are so hell-bent on destruction that they insist GM will know if a truck has been tuned by just hooking a Tech II to it.

Some guys are shooting themselves squarely in the foot.


PS - I was trying to remember what the outcome of my contact with Westers was. I was going to buy a tune and test it, but for some reason it never went through, but that was probably 6 months ago. This was right before the High Desert Roundup and the DHRA Nationals.

I had the pleasure of meeting one of the writer's of Autoenginuity a few years back in a parking lot in Tempe, AZ. I was interested in the software they had for logging on my Duramax. I don't recall the name of the guy I met, but our reason for the occasion was to see if his product would be able to read the data off of my ecm.

At that time, he hooked up his laptop and cable and was unable to pull any information off of my ecm. He told me at that time he was to busy to work on the code, but was very interested in writing something to be able to scan and log. He took my name and number and asked if I would be interested in letting him play around a little to see if he could come up with something. That was the last I heard from him.

On the other hand, EFILive came along and does more than just scan & log, you can write your own tunes and many are having some impressive results from doing so. IMHO, EFILive has rasied the bar for the tuning industry, and that is why we are seeing some much debate on the topic of tuning.

Steve Cole is a pioneer in this feild, and deserve's to be recognized for that. Compition is always going to be controversial and within that come useful information for one to make there own opinion.

Rosco:

i see you brought me into this again, just for your own interest, myself and a few others before Westers even was caring Autoenginuity, we purchased a group bye threw autoenginuity, so far the data logger works good for what we need to look at, and also allows us to log a few minutes of data.... from now on... please keep me out of your references

Well, perhaps you needed to actually say in your post you owned it long before Westers was selling it, what else was a guy supposed to think? A Westers dealer posting this in an EFILive thread -
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1034754&postcount=15

I am pretty sure Lyndon would not have even started this thread unless the two of us talked about it elsewhere.

Cheers,
Ross

I think I saw that 'snapshot' on his website a while back--I think that was when he was just building the scanner a couple years back.

Will you guys have Ford and Chrysler added soon ?

Lyndon
www.ecmprogrammer.com (http://www.ecmprogrammer.com)

No, we don't plan on FORD and Chrylser at this stage, well, certainly not programming them, but depending how generic the CAN PID's are between makes are the scanner may work with them. That would not apply to older FORD's and Chrysler that used manufacturer specific data stream types.
You can't be everything to everyone :help2:

Cheers,
Ross

I believe my AutoTap does Dodge, Ford and the other slow brands. ;)

Seriously, this is a Duramax board, bragging about reading trouble codes on a Neon isn't going to brighten anyone's day...

I think I saw that 'snapshot' on his website a while back--I think that was when he was just building the scanner a couple years back.

Will you guys have Ford and Chrysler added soon ?

Lyndon
www.ecmprogrammer.com (http://www.ecmprogrammer.com)


Will you tune diesels soon?:D

Will you tune diesels soon?:D

I'm learning....):h slowly

Will you tune diesels soon?:D

Duh...football....

I believe my AutoTap does Dodge, Ford and the other slow brands. ;)

Seriously, this is a Duramax board, bragging about reading trouble codes on a Neon isn't going to brighten anyone's day...

First off, you'd also need to know how to read codes from a Neon to brighten someones' day. If you took the statement as 'bragging', you don't know me at all. I have nothing invested in AutoEnginuity...it's got a long way to go.

Lyndon.

You can read a Neon's #1 trouble code without a scanner by just looking at the emblem: Dodge...;)

You can read a Neon's #1 trouble code without a scanner by just looking at the emblem: Dodge...;)
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moving here becasue AE isnt tuning software so it dosnt belong in the "other ecm programing software"