Every day I drive by the diesel goes up .05 cents. Its 12 cents more then reg now.


Man this is BS!

are you serious....thats crap, if theres one thing i would critiize G.W on, itd be wheres the relief in pumps as a result of the iraq conflict....then here we got the ny folk adding ethanol into the gas, which is gonna reek havoc next winter w/the snowmobiles....either way i guess ill stop complaing bout my 1.75 for 87..compared to your 2.17 for diesel....-Adam p.s-thats the first time ive ever seen diesel more expensive than gas to...

Out here diesel is $1.97, but regular is $2.05 or so.


According to the Saudi's there is no oil shortage, it's a US oil refinery/EPA emissions issue. And Shell's Bakersfield refinery shutdown doesn't help matters.

When I filled my truck up three weeks ago it was $1.90. Last weekend, I paid about $2.20. Drove by the station today and it was $2.29. Your right, diesel is priced above 87 octane unleaded, about the same price as 89 octane unleaded.

are you serious....thats crap, if theres one thing i would critiize G.W on, itd be wheres the relief in pumps as a result of the iraq conflict....


I've been wondering the same thing. Iraq is supposed to be the 2nd largest oil depository, one would assume it would only be a matter of time, but the government needs to be careful about touting those benefits.

In Vegas diesel is 1.85 per gallon where I fill up. Way cheaper than 87. Hope it doesn't change..............

The prices here are, diesels running 2.40 a gallon ( for the last `10 months) reg no-lead 3.00 up .20 in the last week


sorry forgot to convert 2.40 = 1.83, and 3.00 = 2.29 usEdited by: durabluecrew

Diesel is about 1.55 a gallon here in Houston.

Our roads may be crappy in Missouri due to the lack of high gas taxes, but diesel is selling for $1.48 at the FlyingJ near my house. Just set aside more money for camping trips after seeing the prices away from my area.

Yep, here in vegas I fuel up at $1.87 a gallon, just went up from $1.77 a gallon. Catty corner is $2.03 a gallon. I have watched it go up about 3 times when the place where I fill up stays the same. Guess they don't sell much d2 over there.





As the matter of fact I have fueled up next to people from 30ish miles away every time I go to those pumps, seems it the cheapest in the valley.

I hear ya ......
Today alone at noon at the local Citgo price of fuel $1.49 ..... When I drove home 3 HRs later $1.69 ...... Up .20 cents a gallon .....

Nice ......

Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif

Dsl runnin between $1.69 and $1.89 here in Colorado Springs. But what really chaps my hide is, deisel is the lowest grade of fuel and the most plentifull! So why does it cost as much or than 87octane??? Bunch of BS I guess. Just my $.02

Valencia in Southern California.


Lowest $2.12 http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Shocked.gif

I guess I don't understand why (besides greed) there is such a large price spread on #2 diesel, it is not like they add any anti pollution crap to it like gas. I watched my Shell station go from $1.45 to $1.65 to $1.55 and now $1.59. Yet on the West Coast it is over $.50 more, WHY?? Funny thing, went a different way home yesterday and hapen to pass a Shell station with premium diesel near my work.... $1.45, just doesn't make any sense outside of greed why the huge price spread. With the oil companies posting record profits, I have a hard time believing they aren't doing a bit of price gouging...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif


Bob

Anouther reason why Taxes (http://api-ec.api.org/industry/index.cfm?bitmask=001004003000000000)

It is tax season ..... .55 cents a gallon in CT ....

The top five states where the tax burden as a percent of income is the highest are: Maine (12.2%), New York (12.0%), Minnesota (11.0%), Rhode Island (11.0%), and Connecticut (10.9%). The United States average is 9.7%. The District of Columbia is 12.9%.

The five states with the lowest tax burden as a percent of income are: Alaska (5.5%) 50th, New Hampshire (6.6%) 49th, Delaware (7.3%) 48th, Tennessee (7.7%) 47th, and Texas (8.3%) 46th.

Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif Edited by: Mackin

Just checked Love's Travel Stops home page and their diesel price at exit 201 on I75 is $1.429 plus I get a penny discount with Good Sam card.


Here in town, best price I've found is BP (NOT Supreme) at $1.559.


I wanna leave politics out of this, but something somewhwere is rotten. You guys on the West side are getting ripped off big time for sure, but ain't none of us getting anything to be happy about!!!!!!

I filled up last Friday at my local Exon station ( 1.95). Since then i have watched it climb every day. This morning on the way to work the station left out the center number in the price ( 2. 9)http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif Woner what that mans?


mike

Just this morning I saw an Arco by my house that bumped it to 2.29. This is way out of control.





Bill

THATS WHY I RUN RED 128 A GALLON !!!!!!!!

Out this way reg. is $0.20/ litre more than diesel. Works out to about $0.60 a gal. US dollars.


GO CANUCKS

I filled up yesterday with premium biodiesel (B2) for $1.71 and premium Diesel was $1.68. Gasoline (87) at the same station was $1.78.


I see the Mejier store has premium diesel with schaeffers additive for $1.68.


Engineer Bill

Had to use a cushion to sit down yesterday after paying $2.28,


Man did I get Reamed!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif

Here red is 2.01/gal.


Diesel is 2.37, and gas starts at 2.16...I talked to a gal that manages the local CFN station, and she says that there is seroius trouble with the refineries that are making the diesel now...


It really doesnt seem to be reducing the number of drivers around here...Most folks down here drive SUV's and live from hand to mouth anyway...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Dead.gif

From last Sunday--up 3 cents to 2.19 a gallon at the fuel lot where I fill up. By my house 2.27 a gallon!


The article in the LA times states that Shell is shutting down one of the most or the most profitable (albiet older) refinery in Bakersfield--it produces 6% of the states diesel fuel. Also, 80% of Neveda and about 60% of Arizona/Oregon fuel comes from the refineries here--yet they pay less--even with transportation costs factored in.


I know our diesel fuel is lower sulfer PPM--but the price differences are approaching .50cent a gallon--something is very wrong.


Ron

$3.00a gal- nexthttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

The top five states where the tax burden as a percent of income is the highest are: Maine (12.2%), New York (12.0%), Minnesota (11.0%), Rhode Island (11.0%), and Connecticut (10.9%). The United States average is 9.7%. The District of Columbia is 12.9%.

The five states with the lowest tax burden as a percent of income are: Alaska (5.5%) 50th, New Hampshire (6.6%) 49th, Delaware (7.3%) 48th, Tennessee (7.7%) 47th, and Texas (8.3%) 46th.

Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif


I'm fascinated by those numbers can you sight your source or post a link? Thanks in advance!


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Here's a link to Flying J travel plaza/Truck stop diesel fuel prices..


http://www.flyingj.com/fuel/diesel_CF.cfm


Here's a link to Pilot Truck Stop current diesel prices..


http://www.pilotcorp.com/fuelpricing/current_pricing.asp

$2.10 a gallon here is Fresno, CA. Going up each and every day. About the same as unleaded for now. The blood for oil crowd must have been mistaken.

When I filled my truck up three weeks ago it was $1.90. Last weekend, I paid about $2.20. Drove by the station today and it was $2.29. Your right, diesel is priced above 87 octane unleaded, about the same price as 89 octane unleaded.


Hey OC Max, just filled up at the Shell on Imperial Hwy by the 91.... diesel is $2.49 now....higher than super unleaded. Now that's BS !! http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gifEdited by: Bodysurfer

Thanks for the links CTD 600

OK guys....With diesel fuel prices rapidly rising I can only think that the trucking industry is hurting also. There has got to be a point when the truckers and trucking companies can't operate anymore. If that happens, this great country of ours will come to a stand-still and the ramifications of that on the economy are tremendous. The <st1:country-region><st1:place>United States</st1:place></st1:country-region> will be doomed! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif</v:stroke></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:ulas></v:path><o:lock aspectratio="t" v:ext="edit"></o:lock></v:shape> We have no mass-transit system worth a flip and I have to wonder if the crude reserves are really all that low to warrant the price races. The oil barons can go to hell because they won't be going to heaven with my family and me. So, why the high prices? What is the point? To punish the ugly arrogant American? It might be a time for a fuel boycott...I don't know. The situation just stinks! </v:imagedata></v:shape>http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif


Marc

I don't see people driving any less or any SLOWER around here either. I am seriously, but I mean SERIOUSLY considering the bicycle for getting to work.
Cheaper than the gym and a LOT cheaper than driving AND paying for the gym, also saves time by giving me a workout during time that would otherwise be wasted in traffic.
Yeah, next week, before it gets too damned hot to get in shape (-:

I filled up last Friday at my local Exon station ( 1.95). Since then i have watched it climb every day. This morning on the way to work the station left out the center number in the price ( 2. 9)http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif Wonder what that means?


mike





On the way home this evening, that price was 2.36 http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif

Does Any One From Arizona Here Know Where To Get The Cheepest Diesel The Lowest That I Can Find Is 1.91 A Gallon?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif

Reguarding Arizona... I just got back from a trip along I-40. The cheapest fuel prices were at the I-95 turnoff to Lake Havasu at the Pilot Truck Stop. It was 1.83 Cash Price. The most expensive I seen was in Williams and Flagstaff which were cresting the 2 dollar mark. The price in Kingman was 1.89. I don't know where you are located in Arizona but compared to here in California that is dirt cheap!

Well, what should we expect from our good buddy,Saudi Aradia, probably trying to raise more $$$ to finance another 9/11,


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4687305/


Saw $2.49 Yesterday, have to look real hard to fill up at $2.20 and that's a deal? It keeps going up and the Trucking Industry going to have to pass it on the the consumer, Inflation here we comehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif.


Glad I have the 46 gallon tank.

$1.45 - $1.55 here in SE La.

I just got a call from a friend in Hemet California. Shell Diesel just hit $2.49 there, WTF is going on.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif

You guys that are seeing the high price, what are gas prices like? We haven't seen a big increase here yet. But we are always higher. Right now it's right around $2 us per gallon.

In this part of Canada diesel is $0.679 per litre Cdn. that works out to about $1.95 US per gallon and it hasn't changed for more than a year. (reg. gas is $0.879 per litre)


So my guess is international fuel prices aren't going up that much. But the US dollar has dropped about 20% in the last year and the cost of crude oil is up against the US dollar. Either that or the oil companies are screwing you and blaming it on the Arabs. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif

This sucks. But I think it is a good wakeup call at least...


The days of cheap fuel is gone.


America needs to take a lesson from Germany. We are extremely innefficent over here. Trucking goods from shore to shore is a very wasteful way of doing things. We need trains to get that done. Then have truckers pick up the goods closer to their destination.


People around here still seem happy to drag race from stoplight to stoplight. It never ceases to amaze me. Foot to the floor until the last 50 feet, then mash the brake. If they are that stupid, then let them pay 3 bucks a gallon...


George Bushs Texas oil buddies are happpy campers now....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif

i got fuel this morning for $1.63..........itwent down from the $1.73 it had been for the past 2 weeks

Seems to have dropped a few cents here in VA as well.

Just paid 57.43 to fill my 25 gallon tank.

That's because the oils companies have us by the huevos. Like someone said, they will raise it to $3.00 / gal and then we will be HAPPY, when it comes down to $2.75.

A couple of people on the web mails - was trying to boycott just ONE company, the biggest one and have everyone send out 30 e-mail, and they would send out 30 etc. so by boycotting that one company would force them to lower their price and the others would follow. Sort of makes sense?

Although todays high prices are driven in part by refinery capacity and different blends etc etc---I guess from a longer term view higher priced fuel will make people think about what they drive and what they are willing to use for fuel.


There is no doubt we are hostage to Middle eastern oil and the fact it was cheap.


Europe has high fuel prices and they have around 40% Diesels (mainly cars) and have alternate fuel programs--biodiesel blends.


This being my first diesel--I would not want to drive a gas vehicle again. But the Big 3 do not offer diesels because probably most people would not buy them.


Everyone at my work are not even aware of how good today's diesels are--in terms of power/economy/ and emissions.


Until we reduce the fuel we consume (diesels being more efficent), explore/expand domestic production (Alaska) and create tax breaks for Biodiesel blends (B20 or so--help domestic economy)--we will always be at risk to price increases.


Ron

Ok folks this is getting scarey, saw Diesel for $2.79 in Torrance, CA. If your not familiar with this area, its full of refineries, When is it going to top out. We are heading for sure fire Inflation if these prices stay like this, Gauranteed!!!!!!!!!!! Basic Economicshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif


OPEChttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif, can you believe we helped set-up this Organizationhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Thumbs Down.gif

I just paid a buck 64 today, some 30 cents less then reg unleaded. I would have to look at my fuel log book, but I think this is the most I have ever paid for diesel.

65Bowtie -


What station are you filling up at here in Las Vegas? I need to find the cheapest fuel I can at this rate!


I just got back from a trip to CA - like everyone noted, the prices are literally rising daily... I too paid over $50 to fill up my tank.


Rick

Seems to me that around here Diesel has dropped a few cents in the past few days. Was up around 1.55-1.62 a gallon and saw 1.51 today and 1.52 yesterday at same stations that it was 1.55 at the day before.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif If that made sense. I can't complete a thought today. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif

I just found an interesting link that graphs out diesel prices across the US. http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/wohdp/diesel.asp


Rick

I read yesterday that there is a diesel shortage in CA. The additive they have to use for the state limits the number of refiners that produce the "californiatreehuggin" blend....


I saw prices from $2.31 to $2.49 yesterdayhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


More than 92 Octane at some stations......

Went to the local truck stop last night to fill up and paided $2.31. This is where I normally find the cheapest price on diesel in the area. Guess were just getting the screws turned harder here in southern CA.

Where are you at? I would like to find diesel for 2.31...


Red fuel is at 2.13...


And I am looking at making a little home made biodiesel myself...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

ARRRGGGGHHHHHHHH!


I paid 2.43 today. Regular is 2.11


That was the cheapest in town.

I found some for 2.29 in Riverside today...(what a deal...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Dead.gif)

Mannytranny





The truck stop is at the corner of 190th and Main st. in Carson. It's about 1/2 mile east of Harbor (110)freeway at the 190th exit.

winchester,ky is at $1.53 for diesel and $1.88 for the cheapest gas.

I just paid $2.37 here in San Marcos and the fuel shut off at $50.00. I didn't even fill my tank! I need to leave Cali.

$1.65, Sunoco, Monroe Mi. Still less than regular in Mi. I did notice last weekend when I was in PA, that diesel is more than regular!

I noticed this weekend while out riding the motorcycle, that diesel in the Ann Arbor MI area was around $1.65 - $1.70, about 10 cents per gallon cheaper than in the Lansing MI area. Diesel here is still generally cheaper than regular. Sometimes when diesel competes with heating oil in the winter, the price can go above regular though.

I just filled up last night in San Gabriel, corner of Duarte Rd. and Rosemead Blvd, $2.25, last week it was $2.14. $56.75 to fill 25.2 gal. Damit, when I bought this truck I was paying $1.25. Thanks to the tree huggers and GW Bush you pieces of S H I P.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif

LA DMAX I DONT THINK ITS GW'S FAULT.............WATCH THE NEW WHY DONT YA

Where are you finding "premium" every station I go to has nothing on the pump but "diesel"? Even the BP/Amoco.

rickles,


I just watched it last night. It was plastered all over the news how the Saudi govt would manipulate oil prices during election years for the Bush campaign. It may or maynot be true but something about it is true or it wouldn't get published in books. The Bush family have been oil mongers since Prescott Bush and Zapata oil company etc. They have the ability to sway the market or their good freinds do.


LA DMAX

rickles,


I just watched it last night. It was plastered all over the news how the Saudi govt would manipulate oil prices during election years for the Bush campaign. It may or maynot be true but something about it is true or it wouldn't get published in books. The Bush family have been oil mongers since Prescott Bush and Zapata oil company etc. They have the ability to sway the market or their good freinds do.


LA DMAX





You can't believe everything you hear on 60 minutes....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif


The cost of diesel / gas has increased because the demand for it has increased while the supply has not.

Take the fact that shell is closing the Bakersfield refinery which produces 6% of the states diesel--which since it is california--has about half the sulfur compared to the rest of the country.


Shell claims the oil is drying up--a fact that is disputed. So one can assume that--since it is an old facility--they do not want to spend the money to upgrade it(pollution equiment). Why should they. Just like the Electric producing companies here during the power crisis--they take supply out of the market and drive the price up( while lowering their costs--in shells case). Oh--and if they do not want the existing refineries producing diesel--because gas was more expensive--well I guess they could ping pong back and forth and the keep the price high for both fuels.


Now--Did George Bush do that--or did just plain greedy corporate executives do it--along with a market prime for manipulation--special blended low sulfur fuel for only California.


Look at the guys in other parts of the country--they are paying more--but no where even close to our prices. The further away from California you get--the cheaper it gets. Consider our CARB board that never takes into account the impact of different blends/increasing demand(growing population/economy) and the same number of refineries in the last 20 years or so.


You want cleaner air--I do--well we are paying for it.


The only thing that makes sense--is a National formula for all blends of fuel--for diesel we have to wait until 2007--I think.


IF George Bush and a few of his cronies could really manipulate the oil market--then that would be some serious power.


Ron

Well said Ron......http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

Point well taken Ron. The issue I deal with is that last month OPEC said they would decrease production, which in turn has affected our market and prices. Is Saudi Arabia part of OPEC? I believe so. Is GW buddies with Saudi Arabia? I believe so. Can they manupulate the market? GW can't by himself. Can the Saudis? Yes, and they do by agreeing with OPEC to decrease production.


You're right, there are currently alot of variables that are affecting our fuel prices and in and of itself maybe none would be so drastic, but combined they make a pretty drastic affect.


LA DMAXEdited by: LA DMAX

Whats the reason for Diesel skyrocketing in California, Treehuggers? They haven't passed any new regulations here??, the Oil Market is being Manipulated,(Big Suprise) and were being played as Suckers. The prices have gone up way to much, The Saudi'shttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif are not our Friends,(Proud Sponsor of 9-11).


I still remember Bush's speech during the 2000 Elections, about him being an Oil man with connections, so He would know how to talk with the Arabs,,,,, Well,, Mr President,,,, Start Talking,,,,, were heading for Inflation if they keep it up, Truckers can't take it in the shorts like this for to long before they have to pass it on.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif

Clearly The Saudi's and anybody else from that area are not our friends--but they were never our friends.


As far as OPEC goes--the price of crude going up--well that should affect everyone. Yet the difference in price for california to say Georgia is not due OPEC.


It is due to market manipulation in California. We brew fuel for everyone around us--but who can brew it for us? I heard we are bringing it in From Texas--at a premium of course. When was the last time a refinery was built here?


California and adjacent states high fuel price does affect the national economy because of interstate trucking. It is not just California's problem.


And do not forget about our currency devaluation--instituted by us to help with our trade deficit and help with exports.


Well it hurts us when we import oil.


I have to wonder why would a president--who wants to get reelected--conspire with the Saudi's to raise prices and then cut them right before the election.


It would seem to me--that is the way one loses an election.


Yes George Bush better be pressuring the Saudi's to change their stance. But other than that--what can he or any other president really do?


If we consume that much oil--they got us bent over a barrel--we have no leverage with them.


Lets talk about how to cut the F..ing Middle east out of the equation for good. Whatever it takes we should do it.


Ron

I only need one thing to begin my biodiesel productions...METHANOL...


Then Ill tell all of these oil companies to suck an egg...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

Ron, you're right. One day we MIGHT be able to(doubt it) take the middle east out of the equation. Hopefully coorporate greed will not take over then and keep the prices pinned.


LA DMAX

I'm sure all of y'all in CA are PO'd, and justifyably so. I aint happy here in GA and my fuel is less than half what some of you are paying out there.


But, you must realize that what we burn in our pickups is miniscule in comparison to what is consumed in the trucking industry. And I,m here to tell you all they are hot.


Over a long weekend I spent about 450 miles on the interstate system on a trip.TRhe discussion on the CB was about CA and how to fight it.


The truckers seem very close to finalizing a boycott CA plan. All the independent truckers are all planning to refuse loads into or out of CA. And the Co. drivers who can't refuse the trips are going to haul required loads only in and out and make an effort to make no purchases while in CA. Fuel and meals, etc.


My friends, if they can pull it off, you ain't seen nuttin yet!!!!!!!!!

I remember when diesel was about 50% the cost of gas. Up here, Anchorage area, I'm payin $1.65. That's gone up 13 cents since Jan.

Diesel is down to about $1.52 where I fill up now. It just needs to keep going in that direction.

Here it is UP to $2.29 a gal. (That is an increase of $.60 a gal. since mid March!!!! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif

Here is Eastern Pa. prices are about $1.69 - $1.72/gallon; went through Virginia this weekend and prices are $1.48 to $1.52/gallon, go figure just across the border on I-81; check out the prices on the web sites at www.flyingj.com (http://www.flyingj.com) or www.loves.com (http://www.loves.com) and you can see the differences just from state to state. And yes, the truckers are coming up with a big plan to boycott CA from listening the CB this weekend; if some of the stuff they are talking about is true, watch out, we are all going to be hurting for a while!

Okay, for those of you who are in California, fuel prices have increased for one reason: supply vs. demand. With the CARB requirements that MTBE's be taken out of the gasoline refining, the new additive is ethanol and the California refineries are not all set up to standards for ethanol additive refining. As a side note, anyone who has a chemistry background will understand that ANY condensate in a GAS tank will be absorbed by the ethanol and become phase inclusive, reducing the octane level and introducing water into sensitive fuel system parts. (i.e. keep those toys full of gas and no problems will occur)


Because the refineries need to be brought up to speed, they close them down to all production. Unfortunately, 7 of southern ca's 14 refineries are closed right now causing a shortage of fuel in general. Because diesel is a byproduct of gasoline refining, it should be cheaper, but because not nearly enough gasoline is being produced to meet demand, we import crude from other states.


It's simply supply and demand. Remember though, for every penny per gallon it changes, you save/lose a dollar on 100 gallons. Don't worry though, fuel prices will drop by mid May and plateau through to the election, I gaurantee it.Edited by: Red Fuel

Diesel-----------$1.59 here in Florence, AL.----------http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif

Okay, for those of you who are in California, fuel prices have increased for one reason: supply vs. demand.


This sounds right, but if the price hikes are due to supply &amp; demand - why do the prices go up in the span of one week, or even one day in some cases? Neither the "supply" nor demand has changed at all in that span of time.


Say the tanker trucks filled up a particular station several weeks back and then that station goes about selling the fuel that's under their feet. The prices then proceed to go up 20¢/week (not an exaggertion in many cases) over the next few weeks, yet the station's cost for the purchase of that fuel load has obviously not changed.


Diesel in particular - one station near my place went from $1.69/gal to over $2.30/gal in less than three weeks! This is not a truck stop - just a typcial gas station in an established Southern California bedroom community - the supply in the ground is the same as three weeks ago, and the demand could not have changed that much unless there was a big-rig parade that went through here without my knowing (unlikely as the streets around the station run over drainage channels and aren't rated for large trucks...).


Feh ... fuel is expensive. Oil companies are realizing massive profit margins. Whaddyagonnado?

Inte,


Remember a few years ago when we had the "electric shortage" here in California? The cost for generation was around $25 / MW-Hr. It was being sold on the spot market for over $1000 / MW-Hr. This situation went on for over 6 months. The federal govt / Bush administration indicated there was no need to investigate the pricing. Several years later, the truth came out and several large companies like Enron collapsed (all involved in illegal energy trading and withholding generating capacity to drive up prices). I personally see a similar situation here. It is not in the interest of any oil company to increase capacity to handle the spikes in demand or to anticipate plant shutdowns. Why should they, because when supply get tight the prices spike up! Why invest capital to drive prices down? You ask some good questions,,, why does the price go up so quickly (almost overnight). Another question to ask is why does the price go down so slowly?

Went back up to Ohio last weekend. Cheapest fuel was $1.499 at Flying J, in Wytheville, VA on I77, on Friday. It was $1.519 at GA/FL Border. Gainesville, Florida area has been steady at $1.739-$1.839. Ohio, I paid $1.799 in my hometown. On the return trip on Monday, Wytheville was up to $1.529, and GA/FL border was at $1.529.

A side note to those traveling down I75 in Florida. Try and fill up before (Lake City) or after (Ocala) the Gainesville area. (Alachua County). You could save up to a dime or more a gallon. Edited by: Pick

$2.45 Texaco California.

I saw the first price decrease in--well I cannot remember. At my fuel lot $2.29 this week ending vs last ending at $2.33.


In town--still at $2.49 at shell and $2.39 at ARCO.


Ron

For the first time in forever I have finally seen the price of Diesel go up higher than reg unleaded. There is only one station that is selling it for less, and that is where a majority of us fuel up at since they are always the cheapest. It was .40 cheaper a gallon there and now its only .03 cheaper. What gives There is no reason, the demand has not increased that much.

I just saw 2.27 at a 76 station in Lake Forest..... Corner of Trabuco and El Toro....


Unfortunately, I don't think prices are going down... but I will be filling up there in the morning....

Ok Folks, just saw Diesel in Torrance CA, going for $2.99 a Gallon, where is this all going, whats the reason?


Truckers are getting T-offed, they need to open up the Emergency Reserve, do something!

Diesel here is $1.74-$1.79 per gallon. 87 octane gasoline is at $1.99 per gallon.

I'm still buying fuel in Knoxville, TN at $1.59. The cheapest I've seen locally in the last 2 weeks is $1.54.

1.65 still here in mid michigan..... regular is 1.98

It's all greed I tell ya. I didn't see the price of oil per barrel increase that much, so the middle east isn't the only culprit. I know that a diesel plant shut down in Bakersfield but this is rediculous $2.45/gal. Someone is making BIIIIIIIG money on this. The bad thing is that it's hard to prove they are price gouging. They just relate it to supply and demand. A few posts back I think Ron talked about it not being in the oil companies interest to prepare for increases in demand or shut down of a refinery because they want the price to spike. I think he's right.


I wonder when the truckers are going to do something really big like boycott fuel purchases in Cali. That would drive down the demand.


BTW does anyone know if we actually use the diesel that is refined in Bakersfield or do we import it from Texas. You know that low sulfer stuff.


LA DMAX

When they all are ready for summer we take a driving break. Then they can swim in the stuff.

LA DMAX rigth know we have fuel surcharges added to the freigth bills just passing it on to the buyer. In NY we add approx 13.5% to the bill after fuel goes over $2.00 a gallon it goes to 22% at present diesel cost $1.85 a gallon. I make approx $.02 profit per mile on my fuel cost plus my reg. mileage thanks to my Chevy C4500 DMAX. or lose $.15 cents a mile with the big truck. I use the truck to move amusement rides 25,000# or less and leave the bigger rides to the show to move. I am not making alot of money but it pays the bills with some left over I fig. that if diesel goes over $2.75 a gallon I will just park the trucks till it goes down. Bottom line I think these orices are so heigth so we will push for drilling of CA and AK and the East Coast many millons call Washington will push Greenpeace and the others way of thinking out.

LA DMAX


My biodiesel supplier--who is also a distributor--is selling the 2006 diesel fuel--it is already here. It's what they blend with to make the B20 and I believe it what they sell at the high speed/regular D#2 pumps. My cowoker--who owns a '99CTD-- commented on how clean--or lack of diesel odor from the truck.


I can only believe the fact that as we approach the 2006 deadline--the 'pipeline' has to be filled before--hence the fuel is here now--probably not widespread yet.


This can only mean higher prices because there is now potentially three diesel fuels currently blended--500ppm(national--for Ca refiners is what they sell to surrounding states) 300ppm for Cali and 15ppm for the 2006 mandate.


I will talk to the manager of the fuel company and ask his take of what is going on. It is almost like a perfect storm: Oil price increase, devaluation dollar, Oil companies taking older refineries offline permanently to increase profits, more demand(improving economy/SUV), New fuel standards--did I forget any.


I am going to try 100%Biodiesel. The price per gallon is about the same. I will find out more about the price. I know Mannytranny is perfecting his homebrew method. As long as the 100%Biodiesel is handled properly(water) it should be fine for the trucks.


The summer driving season is not even here yet.


Ron

$2.55 for diesel in CA last weekend....


Oh Yeah

1.63 today, slowly going up... Is there an end in sight anywhere?

Are you all finally pi**ed off now, to do something about the fuel prices?

Paid 2.80 in Death Valley and its 2.53 at my house in Long Beach.

Diesel is $ 1.79 here in Vermont. Regular gas is $ 1.95. Thats today anyways. Sure glad I got the diesel!

Diesel is about $1.60 to $1.80 here in San Antonio. I drive about 5 to 8 miles for Shell Premium at $1.60 and 3 miles to get regular at $1.80. Prices have went up and my mpg has gone down, 16mpg suburban driving.

A few years ago they truckers parked the rigs for few days in protest of diesel prices ever since then it been a round a buck sixty. I can see a gas strike where people will block the roads coming soon. It doesn't take a lot of cars and truck to make a massive traffic jams.

Diesel is $1.799-1.899 in the Gainesville, Florida area. Most regular gas is $1.989 to as high as 2.049 at the freeway exit rip off places.

Well every place here in vegas is now charging more for Diesel than for gas. Go figure, I can finally afford a Diesel and now the fuel is more expensive. Pretty soon it will be cheaper for me to drive my blown 65 around than my truck.

Coaster, good thing you at least can get.02/mile. What would your surcharge be when diesel gats to 3.00/gal?


Ron, a couple questions if you are able to answer:


1. What is the price of 100% biodiesel from your source?


2. What is the ppm for 100% biodiesel? (or is it 0%)?


3. What does biodiesel use for lubricating the system and how does it compare with sulphur that we currently use?


4. What is the price of the 2006 diesel blend from your source?


Thanks Ron, your posts are very informative and I appreciate your comments.


LA DMAX

Strange that diesel is more than regular. I understand that diesel needs less refining, than gas. Therefore costs less to produce.

<font size="6">BOYCOTT</font>

Its about time up here, but on the news tonight, Canadians are fianlly getting organized. Boycotting Esso. However my own opinion is boycott the two biggest companies. Shell/Petro Canada. Stateside Exxon/Moble. Do NOT buy gas/fuel there at any time (not any one day crap) until prices start coming down.
Come on people.... this isn't rocket science.

LA DMAX


I do not have an answer yet on the 100% biodiesel. I asked for a quote because they can give it to you in a 100 gallon tote (and charge you for the tote) or you can bring your own containers. Since it is not considered a hazardous material--hard plastic containers are ok.


I know that TW brown oil company in Ventura has just opened a 100% biodiesel pump(along with all other fuels including B20). I think Two months ago it was around 2.90 with all taxes. It is cardlocked and you will need a card for after hours fueling.


There is supposed to be incentives for Biodiesel in the new Highway bill from Congress--but my supplier said that the incentives have not been applied yet. I have to call to see if that means the price will drop if they are applied.


PPM for water--I am not sure for 100% biodiesel--it is in a ASTM spec for the stuff--not sure what it is. My B20 that George at AVlube analyzed came in at 140ppm water. Spec for ASTM 975 (D#2) is 500ppm. Typical numbers I see are below 100ppm for straight D#2. George felt that the B20 sample was one of the best he has seen. He also said the water was fine.


Remember--it is slugs of water that kill injectors--not encapsulated water. The key is--how much(for encapsulated water)? I do not know.


The key thing about biodiesel is that is a fuel and brings lubricity too boot. Unlike Petro which is fuel but needs either sulfur or an additive for lubricity. I can dig up some informative links if your are interested.


The current pump B20 blend from supplier is running 18 to 20 cents higher than his posted D#2 price. Last Sunday D#2 was 2.39 and B20 was 2.60. It does fluctuate. All his D#2 is the new fuel--I am not sure about the offroad pump.


Hope this helps.

P.C.


What the hell man, You can afford a high dollar camera what's $3.00 a gal to youhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif


Uni Cop

start of this week diesel :1.74 today 1.89
regular is like 2.07....

Ron,


Thanks for the info. I thought that it was the lack of lubrication that made people not want to use biodiesel, but I guess not. Is it the flash point or something to do with combustion that makes it unattractive to people compared to old #2? Just wondering why it's not mainstreaming into the market.


BTW can you tell me who your supplier is. Just good information to know if I'm in the area and need good fuel. You can PM me the info if you're able. Thanks


LA DMAX

Ron,


One more question. Do you think that the price of biodiesel will increase as the price of #2 increases? After all biodiesel doesn't come from crude oil. I wonder if they will pull that supply/demand stuff just to make more $$$$$$$. Thanks


LA DMAX

171.9 when I filled up yesterday. That's up about .02 cents from a week ago.














Kevin

1.30 in alabama......but thats red......but what i run

In Vegas diesel is 1.85 per gallon where I fill up. Way cheaper than 87. Hope it doesn't change..............


Well, that didn't last long... 2.24 at Flying J...

Not sure if anyone has posted this link already, but Flying J truckstops keeps their station prices listed on their website. Gives a pretty good indication on how the prices go up as one travels further west.


Flying J diesel prices (http://www.flyingj.com/fuel/diesel_CF.cfm?state=ALL)


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I haven`t paid over $1.71 yet, and it`s been below $1.65 for the past two months, probably longer. I buy all my Diesel at Flying-J. I didn`t know anyone else sold Diesel.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

2.25 here at last fill.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif


I guess I'll have to drink less beer or drive less.NOT


Dogs will just go hungry.


Seriously though the price of fuel won't stop me from camping and fishing(big priority for me)it just means less saved for a rainy day.


It sucks but I'm damn proud to be an american!!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

$2.35 here in San Diego area, sucks to pay over $50.00 for a fillup.

Hey! I just filled the tank today and paid $1.65 for BP in Fremont, OH. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

I just filled up at a SHELL station that didn't have any Rotella DFA, at $1.779, a few exits north of Gainesville, Florida on I75. They had a big display of Chevron Delo 400 and about 1/3 as much devoted to Rotella T. No Rotella syn either.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

Filled up yesterday at the local Kroger fuel islands. Paid $1.66/gal. Price for unleaded there is approaching $1.90/gal for regular. I've seen #2 as high as 1.82 at some places. Prices for #2 in all areas runs about 10 to 20 cents cheaper than gasoline.


These are in-town (Dallas/Carrollton) prices. No truck stops near enough to justify going to one...


Later...

Filled two days ago at local truck stop, Shell, at $2.22 gallon. That is the best in our area. Portland, Oregon.


Jay

Just going through some old farm expense records this morning. Found some delivery tickets for off road diesel back in 1992. I paid .899 for off road. On road was about 20 cents a gallon higher, which would put it in the $1.10 range during the summer of 1992, 14 years agohttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif

Just 2 years ago in Augest Diesel was $0.839 but this only lasted a few days before it started back up to the more normal $1.189


Still at a $1.639 around here.

2.49 yesterday, Texaco station off I-10


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$1.67 at Flying J near me. Unleaded was at $2.15 at the time. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif


I luv my diesel......http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


Tom http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Pig.gif

Ya, Gas is about 54 cents more then Diesel here. Boy do I miss my 11 mpg gas 260 rwhp 350 V-8 http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

I just got back from our property way out in west Texas. Regular unleaded was 2.119!! I'm sure glad I got rid of my 1/2 ton because diesel was "only" $1.699.

can anyone explain why diesel is so much more expensive out west???