This is something new..........


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Who is the Daddy of this...looks familiar http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


Xtreme (http://www.pacificp.com/cgi-bin/cat/scan/fi=products/sp=results_tocart/st=db/co=yes/sf=category/se=Duramax%20Power%20Chips/tf=description.html)Edited by: GMC-2002-Dmax

Wow, I have never seen or heard of this before it must be something Pacific just came out with. I wonder if it will work with 01's, any extra rpms? Anyone have this.

I assume these power levels are at the flywheel? If not, talk about bang for your buck! Buy it now price of $429!


Lets Talk Horse Power:


Level 1: 430hp and 730 lb ft torque


Level 2: 460 hp and 770 lb ft torque


Level 3: 505 hp and 860 lb ft torque


Level 4: 531 hp and 975 lb ft torque (Whose your Daddy?)


Features:
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<LI>
<DIV>Provides speedometer corrections</DIV>
<LI>
<DIV>Speed governer removals</DIV>
<LI>
<DIV>Retains stock program </DIV>
<LI>
<DIV>Capable of reading and clearing trouble codes</DIV>
<LI>
<DIV>You can stack the Duramaximizer and Nitrous/Propane for a real kick in the butt</DIV></LI>[/list]

I bet they are flywheel numbers. I wonder what they rear wheel numbers would be, compared to their baseline.

I was at their showroom last Saturday and they told me it was rear wheel HP http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif


They also claimed that their duramaximzer truck did 1200HP @ the wheel http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wacko.gif


1/4 times are 11.38 sec i thinkEdited by: DIESEL 5

They say


Note: Utilizing Level III and IV may require transmission upgrades to handle the horspower and torque. Upgrades are dependant upon drivers style of driving.


May require trans upgrades?? Skepticism abounds here..
Gonna take more than some company advertising for me, we all been there done that.Edited by: VFRRider

Did they let you try it or does anyone have it?

Lets split it ..... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif


Eight guys is $50 bucks each .... We all get visitation for one week including one weekend ... Ships on Mondays ....


Special events require 2 weeks notice ....





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At that price it would be worth a buy and try. If I had my trans in...


Could always ebay it and recoup some (most) of your money.

It's in between the duramaximizer and the Tech IV.
110-120 Predator type programmer

It's in between the duramaximizer and the Tech IV.
110-120 Predator type programmer



I don't follow .... According to the print even if the average Max puts down a 245 RWHP ,well you do the math ....


Do you have one ?? Resellable as in doesn't marry thy truck ... ??


Who's your daddy !!!!!!!!!


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I am not sure that is PPE right up. They told me about it when I ordered the Extreme. Lower program then I already had.

The link from the add goes right to http://www.duramaximizer.com/


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Just wondering ..... Daddy always said ,If it looks to good to be true ....





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Looked at their PDF catalog. They don't say if any of their products hp claims are rwhp. They say the duramaximiser is an increase of 100hp, which I'm assuming is an optimistic rwhp number. Then a couple of products down is the Xcelerator, which they claim makes all the big numbers. It would be odd to have them claiming rwhp numbers on one product and then flywheel numbers on another in the same catalog without clarifying. Although the statement "the most horsepower and torque available of any programmer on the market" can be found elsewhere in the catalog, I say judge for yourself. Here's the sheets on the Xcelerator..


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Mike


Heres a link to the pdf http://www.pacificp.com/pdf/2004catalog.pdfEdited by: VFRRider

Great...... just great...more stuff I gotta buy and evaluate! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wacko.gif

Please allow 4-6 weeks build time for the fully customized Tech IV programs http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif

Extreme is worth the wait. jmho http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif Edited by: Texas Red Wagon

Called me yesterday to see if I was interested. I'll have one to try on Tuesday....

when i click these links,i cant find anything but the mizer.what am i doing wrong?Edited by: king d

Somebody decided to pull a whole web page. ??????????


All the info that was there yesterday is gone. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif


GONE ????????? (http://www.pacificp.com/cgi-bin/cat/DU-PCM3.html)


What's up with that ?????????


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Somebody decided to pull a whole web page. ??????????


All the info that was there yesterday is gone. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif


GONE ????????? (http://www.pacificp.com/cgi-bin/cat/DU-PCM3.html)


What's up with that ?????????


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Wonder if a certian supplier pulled the plug.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

Wonder if a certian supplier pulled the plug.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif





Steve, you had to ruin everything...... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Unhappy.gif


I was going to try a new stack:


Tech IV+ Duramaximizer + Nos + Propane + Stickers = 1150HP @ the wheel.


I was told 1200HP was too much ... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifEdited by: DIESEL 5

Somebody decided to pull a whole web page. ??????????


All the info that was there yesterday is gone. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif


GONE ????????? (http://www.pacificp.com/cgi-bin/cat/DU-PCM3.html)


What's up with that ?????????


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Wonder if a certian supplier pulled the plug.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif








That's what I would call Zero tolerance to El Crapo advertising practices ...


Oh yea !!!!


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"Don't bite the head that feads you" comes to mind.

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oh well glad I still got my day job........boy steve was pissedEdited by: sdaver

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I wouldnt believe anything PPE says.. They are so full of crap its rediculous. They are flat out liers! Their 168hp tech iv and duramaximizer makes about the same power as a 120hp hot juice! And if you dont believe me you havent dyno'd one yet.


duramaximer was good for 20rwhp when stacked to pulse width chip. Got dyno sheets to proove.


I hate to bust peoples chops, but would rather help out then see someone else get taken for a fairy tail ride like i did. Had a hot juice, spend double the money on their crap and ended up losing power on PPE's dyno with back to back tests, and left with less power b/c you cant remove their programs.. I dont know who's daddy they claim to be, but ucle sam is gonna be their daddy when they get bitch slapped with a class action lawsuit.

JUST SPOKE TO PPE, AND THEY CLAIM IT WILL REMOVE THE LIMITER ON THE 01'S. BUT, THEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO RETURN POLICY AND THE TUNER MARRIES TO THE TRUCK LIKE THE PREDATOR.http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif CANNT SOMEONE PULL THIER HEAD OUTTA THIER ASS AND COME UP WITH THE PERFECT TUNERhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

"MARRIES TO THE TRUCK LIKE THE PREDATOR."hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

I wouldnt believe anything PPE says.. They are so full of crap its rediculous. They are flat out liers! Their 168hp tech iv and duramaximizer makes about the same power as a 120hp hot juice! And if you dont believe me you havent dyno'd one yet.


duramaximer was good for 20rwhp when stacked to pulse width chip. Got dyno sheets to proove.


I hate to bust peoples chops, but would rather help out then see someone else get taken for a fairy tail ride like i did. Had a hot juice, spend double the money on their crap and ended up losing power on PPE's dyno with back to back tests, and left with less power b/c you cant remove their programs.. I dont know who's daddy they claim to be, but ucle sam is gonna be their daddy when they get bitch slapped with a class action lawsuit.








Thought I saw on the LA dyno day sheet that you run a TTS program??? Can it return to stock?





Assuming you tried the Tech IV? Word is, the program that lost you power varries TTS programming...





I haven't seen this Xcelerator yet, and am skeptical that it will make the numbers claimed as they are quite lofty, but until someone tries it...





Just so nobody thinks I'm sucking up to PPE, I'll remind you that the Duramaximizer run alone consistently nets an additional 60-70 RWHP on my truck, not 100...

Well seen as how the 168hp Tech IV is the same as a TTS 120 I guess I can say I have either (they are the same programs packaged differently) TTS markets the product correctly, whereas PPE just makes up whatever they feel like. Had I not installed the hot juice in the first place which put down 20 more horsepower then the tech iv after back to back tests, then i may have been dumb enough to be satisfied.


PPE went from a 40+ hp guarentee over the hot juice, to "oh it makes the same power as the hot juice", to "i dont know why it actually made 20 less hp then the hot juice." to "we will have an extreme program in your truck as soon as you can leave your truck with us for 2 days", to "our attorney didnt like our extreme disclaimer papers so we have to come up with new ones", to copying TTS's extreme disclaimer form word for word, to then promising an extreme program when TTS wasnt even sure they would make it for them.


The worst part about the whole deal is I am stuck with a program that works like crap, detonates horrific on level 1 and 2, cant go to the dealer for services/warranty repairs and now have to deal with my credit card company to get a proper refund. All this after my initial purchase back in July!


I would be MORE then just skeptical about ANYTHING PPE says, implies, writes or does.

Well seen as how the 168hp Tech IV is the same as a TTS 120 I guess I can say I have either (they are the same programs packaged differently) TTS markets the product correctly, whereas PPE just makes up whatever they feel like. Had I not installed the hot juice in the first place which put down 20 more horsepower then the tech iv after back to back tests, then i may have been dumb enough to be satisfied.


PPE went from a 40+ hp guarentee over the hot juice, to "oh it makes the same power as the hot juice", to "i dont know why it actually made 20 less hp then the hot juice." to "we will have an extreme program in your truck as soon as you can leave your truck with us for 2 days", to "our attorney didnt like our extreme disclaimer papers so we have to come up with new ones", to copying TTS's extreme disclaimer form word for word, to then promising an extreme program when TTS wasnt even sure they would make it for them.


The worst part about the whole deal is I am stuck with a program that works like crap, detonates horrific on level 1 and 2, cant go to the dealer for services/warranty repairs and now have to deal with my credit card company to get a proper refund. All this after my initial purchase back in July!


I would be MORE then just skeptical about ANYTHING PPE says, implies, writes or does.








Fact still remains it is not PPE's programming, and it was developed specifically for your truck (assuming you had to provide VIN, and many other details AND wait multiple weeks) by TTS. Sounds like your tune needs some alteration.





I'll agree that the PPE claims don't jive, but the fact remains that even reduced to the proper 120HP rating, it was still bested by a 125HP rated Juice if I read correctly.





As for the Xcelerator marrying the VIN, it does, BUT it appears to operate on the same firmware and basic hardware as the Stealth and Power Pup, so it SHOULD be capable of transfer if stock data is restored. There are a few distinct differences in the prompts/features so I cannot confirm with absolute certainty...


P.S. Mine came in yesterday afternoon. It will be a while before I hit the dyno, but I will say (to put rumors to rest) that I seriously doubt that it is loaded with pirated TTS programming at least on the highest level...

I too originally thought I had a defective chip or needed some alteration. However as soon as it performed like crap on the dyno, the excuses started pouring in and I knew something was fishy.


I had made numerous requests that when my chip came in we were going to dyno it back to back at their facility. They called me in the AM and we set up a time to dyno it later the next day. When I showed up they completely forgot about the dyno, and tried their best to push me off. They were saying things like "we have dyno'd every combination and have everything here printed out, so we already know what its going to make, its really just a waste of time" Being persistant I waited hours to finally strap it down and see how pathetic the power output was. Only then did they finally admit that the chip should make the same power as the hot juice (not 40 more as they claimed at the time of deposit), and that all their dyno testing was done on a government spec truck with no cat, egr, and a couple other small mods.


Joe from PPE tried to make more excuses about how peak power isnt everything and to look at the linear graphs, and feel the driveability. Well the juice chip exceeded the tech iv across the board on the dyno. I will admit the TTS/Tech IV does shift firmer, corrects speedo, and isn't quite as jerky as the hot juice however it does have some terrible detonation issues and the pros definately DO NOT outweigh the cons atleast for me..


Not wanting to jump the gun, I have been quiet for a long time and waited as long as I could for PPE to redeem themselves. After waiting close to 5 months for the chip to arrive, 5 months after installing it I still havent got anywhere with them. Within this time frame I was told numerous flat out lies, and my credit card was charged for no reason. Months after they said it was taken care of, only my credit card company was able to refund the charges.


Every product is going to have its glitches, ups/downs and pros/cons.. I have been in the high performance industy for quite a few years and know whats up. If PPE would be upfront with their customers, then it would be a different story, but after standing waist deep in this $hit for close to a year, it is simply too much to take. They had their chance, I gave them a deadline, and now the truth must be told.


The bottom line is Joe from PPE is a LIAR, and the same holds true for all his shop trolls!

Dunno what more I can say about mis representation of the product, but that's really something the MFR should take up with the reseller. As for getting the product fixed, why haven't you contacted the mfr? If it truly has a detonation issue, I wouldn't wait too long. Hopefully it won't take another 5 months.





The PPE claim is crank HP. Now I won't pretend to understand how they arrived there, but they seem to think that the extra 48 HP is derailed somewhere along the way. I disagree, but then I disagree with a lot of people....

I have tried for the past 5 months to get it fixed.. PPE knew the tech iv would never perform as expected so they promised me an extreme program. This was 5 months ago and they said the extreme was available then. After sending me their own disclaimer form which ended up being worthless, they most recently sent me a TTS disclaimer form with their name on it. For one, Legally this would never hold up. FOr two, eventhough they claim it is available TTS wont release the extreme without further testing. So it is pointless to fill out and send back to them, b/c its only a matter of a few more weeks for more excuses to come in.


I am in the process of getting a new OEM computer and starting from scratch.

Why not just update to the Extreme with TTS. 4-6 weeks
Unless you don't want use them.
Scott

ghettosled


If you want some action with your program call me. I met you at the LA dyno day. I can get the TTS extreme when you want it. Is right now too soon? PM me.


mike

ghettosled - i'm curious about the detonation issue you mention. i've had the tts programming in for almost 6 months (granted i don't have the 30hp tune) but the 80, 120, and extreme all run very quiet. i never dyno'd the 120 against a 145 OJ, but i ran it against a 4.61 HOT OJ and the TTS beat it by about 5 HP. so i've always considered them the same as far as power goes. It is the smoothest tune i've ran of many and beats the juice IMHO for driveability. Being as i've always been surpised how quiet mine is, the detonation you mention strikes me as quite odd. I've tried a few other products that were quite noisy but they weren't from TTS. if it really is making noise like you say i would send a PM to diesel tech as i've never heard of that with his programming. defintaly don't let your experience with PPE ruin your experience. i think you may be able to get a resolution you're happy with.


Good Luck


Nick

I don't know the relationship between the TTS and PPE, but if it is the same base code as the TTS 120, then something is definitely wrong with your particular setup.


My TTS 120 produces 133rwhp on my truck and is the smoothest, quietest, and fastest of the three I've ran (Quad 165, Predator). I've never compared it to a Hot OJ but from what I've seen, both the TTS 120 and Hot OJ deliver mid-130rwhp gains.


If detonation is the same as the piston slap you get with excessive timing advance, then I'm really confused as none of the TTS tunes I've ran through 120HP suffer this problem.


Doug

that the way I see it too doug.........forget that renegade stereo shop getto go straight to the source.

ATS is selling the Xcelerator


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That doesnt suprise me as ATS sells their converter to PPE for their kit.

Hey guys thanks for your conserns. As I mentioned the TTS has much smoother driveability then the juice (no doubt). Overall, the chip if marketed in the manner TTS does, it would be a good chip. Not sure what my deto problem is all about, but it does not appear to be common. If you expect 120hp, then you will be very happy. I expected alot more due to the PPE sales pitch, and what I got was alot less. Originally I went to them looking for a propane kit, and they sold me on everything else. CLose to $1800 later I leave with less horsepower then I showed up with and there is nothing I can do about it.. 5 months later I still have the same chip and its not for a lack of consern on my part :-)


I have no problems with TTS or their products. Unfortunately I put them in a weird situation, b/c of a vendor who took a TTS product, marketed it as their own, and mysteriously added 48 horsepower to sell more. I have been a fan of TTS for years, and have used their diagnostic software on my customers trucks for quiet some time. Whenever I have had a problem or consern they have been there to help. I am in the process of working things out finally thanks to a couple of guys on this board.

ghettosled,


Have you thought of upgrading to the TTS extreme tune........???


Or does the tune you have include the 30/80/120 tune sold to you as something else ?????


Maybe ask here..a few have the extreme from TTS.........maybe they will share the dyno results.





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Hey guys thanks for your conserns. As I mentioned the TTS has much smoother driveability then the juice (no doubt). Overall, the chip if marketed in the manner TTS does, it would be a good chip. Not sure what my deto problem is all about, but it does not appear to be common. If you expect 120hp, then you will be very happy. I expected alot more due to the PPE sales pitch, and what I got was alot less. Originally I went to them looking for a propane kit, and they sold me on everything else. CLose to $1800 later I leave with less horsepower then I showed up with and there is nothing I can do about it.. 5 months later I still have the same chip and its not for a lack of consern on my part :-)


I have no problems with TTS or their products. Unfortunately I put them in a weird situation, b/c of a vendor who took a TTS product, marketed it as their own, and mysteriously added 48 horsepower to sell more. I have been a fan of TTS for years, and have used their diagnostic software on my customers trucks for quiet some time. Whenever I have had a problem or consern they have been there to help. I am in the process of working things out finally thanks to a couple of guys on this board. if you still have the hot juice it stacks very well with the set up you have.i have seen it do over 500 on the dyno.the extreme is great.i havent dynoed the latest version but my first one did almost 500 hp. also you wouldnt be the cyclone guy would you....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif

Yeh King D thats me.. We do all the fast syclones and typhoons. We tried to stack my hot juice with the TTS 120 on the dyno and truthfully it hardly made a difference. We literally made 25 pulls in everywhich combination we could think of to try and make reasonable power. Using the TTS or Tech IV with maximizer we make around 375rwhp. Adding the propane gave us around 420. We then did the exhaust, tranny, and turned up the boost and dyno'd at the LA dyno day with 492 rwhp/879 ft lbs. Turning up the boost 6 psi made the biggest difference of anything. In the meantime I am working on a bolt on fuel system feeder kit, then i'll try another box.

cool deal,my brother has a cyclone ,said he had talked with you a few times on the phone before.the tech 4 and maxamizer made about 395 on the dyno over hear.and truth is th hot juice is a speacial one.i made close to 475-480 cant exactly remeber,with the 120 and an oj 125.found that with the d mizer turned up full bore it gave to much fuel,kinda put the fire out.as far as the bolt on fuel system my holley setup is workin great