I have order BD-turbo, and now I am searching best tuner for that.
I was trying to buy PPE Hot+2, but it seems that they have problem with my european creditcard(amex) and order is hanging there over month now. I think it is time to order tuner somewhere else.
So, best tuner and where, opinions please.

I would wait for the dyno test results that will be coming tommorow, ship your ECM out for some "KENT MOONSHINE". Looks like it's gonna be a hot setup for the LB7 and only get better with age :D

westers has been working on a tune over the last week for the BD, i was involved in the making and it looks like it will be one to recken with, no dyno results, or track results, but soon will be, like the begining of april when the track opens in Boise

Gtech makes it look promising, driveabilty is like all westers tunes, Awsome!!

and towing should be right their as well

do you have a tranny that can handle all that added power?? TTS Extreme would give you plenty of power as well!!!

Suncoast V is coming, also TTS dual lift pumps, PPE overboost code eliminator and ATS head studs.:)

Suncoast V is coming, also TTS dual lift pumps, PPE overboost code eliminator and ATS head studs.:)


Better get a trippin fuel pick up as well:cool: This new tune pulls the TTS pumps to 1psi on WOT:eek:

I will have LLY/BD Dyno results tomorrow..........I will also have LB7/BD/Stock injectors results within the next month and LB7/Twin compounded turbos dyno numbers at the same time.

We are dynoing three LB7 trucks tomorrow as well.

I have two LB7/BD/Beta trucks right now and will be adding a third.

If you can wait a while I am sure the dyno and the track times will answer your question about the HP/TQ of the tunes.

T;) NY

i do not beleive you one bit, show us some videos and i might):h ):h , you can do it


Better get a trippin fuel pick up as well:cool: This new tune pulls the TTS pumps to 1psi on WOT:eek:

It seems that I have to wait till you get those dyno- and track tests done. It`s gonna be long time :bawl:
I have VA150 now, do I notice any difference with new turbo before new program and more fuel?

Thanks for everybody.

with the new turbo you will burn off all the extra fuel that the stock turbo didnt. If you had smoke rolling from the exhaust pipe you will see a diference

My tune needs more fuel BADDD. If im above 75 mph, I can slam my foot thru the floor and I get NO smoke and only enough fuel to spool to BD turbo to 25 PSI :(

no power at 25psi, need to find a tune with fuel up high




My tune needs more fuel BADDD. If im above 75 mph, I can slam my foot thru the floor and I get NO smoke and only enough fuel to spool to BD turbo to 25 PSI :(

My tune needs more fuel BADDD. If im above 75 mph, I can slam my foot thru the floor and I get NO smoke and only enough fuel to spool to BD turbo to 25 PSI :(

no power at 25psi, need to find a tune with fuel up high

I'll be fixing those problems tomorrow...........:cool:

My tune needs more fuel BADDD. If im above 75 mph, I can slam my foot thru the floor and I get NO smoke and only enough fuel to spool to BD turbo to 25 PSI :(

If you are running the tune I sent on Friday afternoon, the duration is at 3700 and the timing is at 27 degrees.....that is plenty of fuel....more duration than a TTS extreme. It smoked like a freight train on my truck w/ stock vvt at 32-35psi. I have witnesses. Check you rail psi...are you loosing rail psi? Something don't seem right at all.

3700 is ALOT OF FUEL !!!!! wow:eek:

CAP:
i heard you have a few videos to show us of some BD tunes

I'll be fixing those problems tomorrow...........:cool:

SO MUCH FOR THAT!!!!!:rolleyes:

:lol:

SO MUCH FOR THAT!!!!!:rolleyes:

:lol:

You can explain..........:eek:

Sound like something went boom?

Ben have another project on his hands?

no, nothing went boom.

2 ECM's just went fizzle :)

EFILive fried your ECMs? Or was it user error?

No, it was NOT EFILive's fault at all!!

I want to make that clear...

It was a combination of PPE's fault and me just being an idiot. Kind of mostly PPE's fault, but the second problem (second dead ECM) would have been prevented if I had just left it alone. Curiosity killed the cat.

Or was it user error?

Someone was doing something that they shouldn't have I guess :lol:

It was 100% the PPE's fault. I asked it to return the ECM to stock, and it borked it. We installed the new ECM and all was golden, but I had to try one more time because im an idiot, and once again, PPE screwed me. So yes, it was kind of my fault, but not really. :)

I assume the dynoing is over and there are results? EFILive/BD results?

we only ran like half a run on my truck.

We were in the middle of a run and got to a little over 400 rwhp/900 rwtq (and climbing) when my truck threw a 1093 and went into limp mode. We never ran it again due to programming/ECM problems. Money well spent on dyno time :rolleyes:

Were any other BD trucks dyno'd? I really wanted to see some BD/EFILive numbers with the BD spooled up to 40 psi with Moonshine. I guess I'll need to stand on the sidelines a little longer.

What caused the ECM's to fry? Is it that when PPE programmed your ECM's they didn't return it back to stock 100% and something was still left in there that caused a flash attempt by EFILive to fry it?

Were any other BD trucks dyno'd? I really wanted to see some BD/EFILive numbers with the BD spooled up to 40 psi with Moonshine. I guess I'll need to stand on the sidelines a little longer.

What caused the ECM's to fry? Is it that when PPE programmed your ECM's they didn't return it back to stock 100% and something was still left in there that caused a flash attempt by EFILive to fry it?

After Ben hosed the first ECM with the PPE I was not willing to attempt any kind of flashing with anything without a spare ECM on hand.

Ben could not resist the temptation and used the PPE to hose his only spare.

The ECM's got messed up so that the TECH II and EFI-Live cannot restore it at this time.

3700 is ALOT OF FUEL !!!!! wow:eek:

He wanted fuel...I gave it to him!!


Ben, you have the worst luck. I feel bad for ya. There is always another day. Soon, the track will be open. It is always more fun at the track!:grd:

It was 100% the PPE's fault. I asked it to return the ECM to stock, and it borked it. We installed the new ECM and all was golden, but I had to try one more time because im an idiot, and once again, PPE screwed me. So yes, it was kind of my fault, but not really. :)

Does PPE have any liability here? Sounds like they owe you a new ECM. (or two if I read that right)

Is this common with their tuners or a fluke?

Did you remove the fuses?

Ben got a run on Bobo's program but it threw a code.

Then he tried to download the PPE to his ECM, and the ppe Fubar the ECM. :eek:

He installed a spare ECM and pulled his truck out into the parking lot and everyone told him not to mess with it :exactly:
BUT when no one was watching :shake: he tried again to load the PPE and it FUBAR the second ECM too. :smashfrea

So now he's got 2 fried ECM's and his truck is sitting in Waterbury. :cussing:

His mom had to come pick him up ):h

Not a good day for Ben. Poor kid really needs to get L**d, maybe that will change his luck around

.

Ben got a run on Bobo's program but it threw a code.

Then he tried to download the PPE to his ECM, and the ppe Fubar the ECM. :eek:

He installed a spare ECM and pulled his truck out into the parking lot and everyone told him not to mess with it :exactly:
BUT when no one was watching :shake: he tried again to load the PPE and it FUBAR the second ECM too. :smashfrea

So now he's got 2 fried ECM's and his truck is sitting in Waterbury. :cussing:

His mom had to come pick him up ):h

Not a good day for Ben. Poor kid really needs to get L**d

.

:eek: :eek: :eek:

):h ):h ):h ):h ):h

Any idea why the truck 1093'ed in the middle of a run? His 25 psi on the street wasn't making much sense. I was hoping he had some good luck working with Tony to get his truck all figured out. I'm sure he is disappointed but there will be other days to try it all out.

Any idea why the truck 1093'ed in the middle of a run? His 25 psi on the street wasn't making much sense. I was hoping he had some good luck working with Tony to get his truck all figured out. I'm sure he is disappointed but there will be other days to try it all out.

I had wanted BEN to try all of his tunes before we swapped the ECM over and the tune that you sent caused a 1093 even with a shim mod..........:eek:

It was way overfueled.........:rolleyes:

When that happened I asked Ben if he had any other EFI-Live stuff to run and he said no, so I asked him to re-load his stock tune, he said it was still in his PPE........that is what started this all.

When the PPE hosed his ECM we tried everything we could to fix it with EFI-Live and it would not even fix it.

So we or should I say "I" was not going to strand anyone without a spare ECM at a dyno.........:exactly:

Then BEN decided he was gonna try it again......:badidea:

This is what went on today.........:(

he said it was still in his PPE........that is what started this all.

So is the problem that the PPE saved off the stock tune but then a non-PPE tune was loaded and the PPE could not overwrite the non-PPE tune with the saved off stock tune?

yes

I had wanted BEN to try all of his tunes before we swapped the ECM over and the tune that you sent caused a 1093 even with a shim mod..........:eek:

It was way overfueled.........:rolleyes:

This is what went on today.........:(


Did he log it before he got there? Did it 1093 before that? Are you sure the valve did not pop or the lift pumps are working? He has 3 tunes.....that one...another one with a little less fuel and one that I run with even less fuel. That tune ran fine on my truck....with a lot of smoke and high EGT's. He wanted fuel and he got it. He picked which tune he wanted to run.....he went with the big one. He will get it figured out.

Damn ben that sucks -:t i dont know whats worse the fried ecms or the fact his mom had to come get him :muahaha: . Get a new ECM and :grd:

So is the problem that the PPE saved off the stock tune but then a non-PPE tune was loaded and the PPE could not overwrite the non-PPE tune with the saved off stock tune?

The PPE also hosed his spare, second, perfectly good ECM.

So I am sure the PPE was at fault, it also killed his original ECM at 14,000 miles.

Did he log it before he got there? Did it 1093 before that? Are you sure the valve did not pop or the lift pumps are working? He has 3 tunes.....that one...another one with a little less fuel and one that I run with even less fuel. That tune ran fine on my truck....with a lot of smoke and high EGT's. He wanted fuel and he got it. He picked which tune he wanted to run.....he went with the big one. He will get it figured out.

Ben did mention it 1093'd on the street BEFORE the dyno run was done.......

Damn ben that sucks -:t i dont know whats worse the fried ecms or the fact his mom had to come get him :muahaha: . Get a new ECM and :grd:
Yes, he has the worst luck for sure.......

Good news is that EFI-Live is working on getting something BETA for me to try and restore the ECM's to a working state after the PPE killed them.

EFI-Live has been used by Ben and many of the members here successfuly for months.

I have flashed my ECM almost 200 times and my spare ones at least another 100 times...........you can be sure that if EFI-Live can figure a way to restore Ben's LLY Ecm's from the PPE flash they will.

Hopefully they will figure it out and send something to either BEN or myself to try........

T:D NY

:D

^ what everyone else said. Bottom line, it was PPE's fault. But If I werent so damn nosy and curiuos, I would still have ONE good ECM. Im never using a handheld tuner again. EFILive has flashed my truck dozens and dozens of times and never had a hickup, and I can flash with EFILive with the radio on, HVAC on, CD playing, door open, NEVER had a problem. I plug the PPE in, PULL FUSES, DOOR CLOSED and the thing still FUBAR's my 2 ECM's.

My truck did 1093 on the way over to the dyno. It was NOT the releif valve popping. After I 1093'd I held my speed at 2,000 RPM on the highway and plugged in the Tech 2, and both commanded and actual rail pressure were holding at about 16,700 PSI. If I had popped my releif valve, it stays open and will not close and reseat until the rail pressure drops to 0 (shut the truck off, or idle it for 5 minutes). My rail pressure did not drop, and was agreeing with the commanded rtail pressure.

Ben

Time for the trippin pickup and switch your hoses around! If you want fuel, you have to do it to squeeze every last bit out. What kind of condition are your fuel filters in? I ran that tune on my truck and the rail psi will hold over 20,000 at WOT up to 112 mph. Are you 100% sure your lift pumps are working? We will get this all figured out and that truck is going to haul a$$. I'd hate to take out any fuel if we don't have to. It might be the answer, but going through and checking out every other option now is the best bet in the long run.If you want to pull out fuel...take that same tune and change the duration where I have it set to 3700 to 3650 or 3600 or 3575....and see how much that affects WOT on the rail psi. You will find your fueling limit that way. You want the rail psi actual over 20,000psi at WOT. I have never seen a log from Ben's truck. I have tuned it blind several times. He should have plenty of fuel for the BD, but can't seem to get the boost psi up. Something isn't adding up here.

Ben, you are fun to watch!

I plug the PPE in, PULL FUSES, DOOR CLOSED and the thing still FUBAR's my 2 ECM's.
So, the lesson might be don't use a PPE to overwrite a non-PPE tune?

I guess, I have loaded several ppe, tuners and never heard of that or had a problem at all !!!!I can just see the next thred now!!! the bashers will be out in full force!!!

so is the ppe known for fryin ecms or is this one of them fluke deals???? Obviosly with any tuner you run the risk of frying things but i mean does this happen often?

BEN this sounds a bit weird!!

you might want to look into that a bit more, was EFI used on the two ECMS prior to this, are you disconecting batterys prior to swaping out

Just an outsider looking in on all of this... I've yet to hear of one tuner frying 3 pcm's on any one truck. Maybe a fluke thing here or there, but three for three?

Do I have enough fuel to run the BD supermax? Lift pumps are coming very soon.

BEN this sounds a bit weird!!

you might want to look into that a bit more, was EFI used on the two ECMS prior to this, are you disconecting batterys prior to swaping out

EFI-Live was used by BEN on the first ECM and then attempted a PPE Flash, it killed it,

The new ECM was never touched, it was a used one..........PPE hosed that one as well.......

T:cool: NY

It was not EFILive at all, as Tony said.

I have reflashed dozens of times with EFILive and never a problem.

the guy to talk to about this is Westers Lyndon, he is very up on the ecms, has more in his shop than you could imagine, and i know he fixes damaged ones, he could have some insight into this

So...what went on here ? The guy copied the PPE tune, saved it with his EFI-Live program (a point that it seems everyone is avoiding ?) and then tried to put his PPE unit back to stock. Is this what happened ? I'll ask the tough questions...

Lyndon
www.ecmprogrammer.com (http://www.ecmprogrammer.com)
Westers Garage

its a complicated situation. Ill explain it in a time line.

~November 2005- I bought a PPE. Loaded tune.

December 2005- dealer replaced my ECM due to it failing to command proper fuel press reg values. I did NOT unload the tune before I went to the dealer. This was my mistake number one. Because my PPE still had that stock program still in it from the "lost forever" ECM.

December 2005- after ECM is replaced I start using EFILive. Never touch the PPE again, just use EFILIve.

Fast forward to yesterday.

Run a EFI tune, truck 1093's for unrelated reasons. I want to get a STOCK TUNE baseline. I dont have a stock LLY file on my laptop to load via EFILive. The only other way that I thougt I could return to stock was to dust off my PPE and use that. Mistake number two. The last ECM that my PPE had talked to/saved the stock tune from was longggg gone. The last ECM that the PPE saved the stock tune from had a very old operating system on it, an OS dating back to Feb 2005 when the truck was built.

I "returned to stock" with the PPE. No start. Try a partial flash with EFILive. DOesnt work. Cranks but no start. Try a full flash with EFI. Still no start, but the ECM is in communication with the BCM and Tech 2. Just wouldnt start the truck. The ECM is not brain dead, just has a bum program.

Install the new ECM, truck works fine. Laptop battery was dead. And I wanted to load a tune. I used the PPE...which STILL had not fully talked to and successfully saved a stock tun/loaded a new tune since November 2005. So I used the PPE and loaded the Extreme tune. Truck starts fine and works normally. Shut truck off, go for a ride in Diesel Dragon's truck, come back to mine, start it, and everything is screwed up. No gauges work, DIC info for fuel mileage, oil life etc. all come up as "---%". Tech 2 doesnt even recognize the ECM is there. BCM wont talk to it. EFILive wont talk to it. Its like the ECM just went completely retarded and forgot how to talk and listen to anything. YET...it still starts and runs the truck!!!!! Idle is not quite as smooth. Pressing the accellerator pedal does nothing except raise the RPM by maybe 10 rpm and give the idel a different sound. Security light is solid on. Check engine light on. Yet it stil starts and idles!! :confused:

I have a lot more hope of recovering my first ECM. The second one is just completely brain dead and I cant see how it would even have a chance of living again without soldering in a new chip.

Ben

So...what went on here ? The guy copied the PPE tune, saved it with his EFI-Live program (a point that it seems everyone is avoiding ?) and then tried to put his PPE unit back to stock. Is this what happened ? I'll ask the tough questions...

Lyndon
www.ecmprogrammer.com (http://www.ecmprogrammer.com)
Westers Garage

YOUR WRONG........:rolleyes:

BEN used the PPE tuner that has his stock Tune in it..........Since he had an EFI-Live tune in his ECM he decided to try and restore the STOCK file in IN THE ECM FROM THE PPE........there were many witness's to that.

T:cool: NY

Thank-you Tony.:)


Lyndon, NO nothing illegal was going on here. I was NOT copying PPE tunes to my laptop. I am not avoiding that point because it never happend. The PPE hosed me, bottom line. But If I had sat down and thought about what was happening and what I was doing, I woudlnt have done it because it kinda makes sense HOW the PPE hosed my ECM. (mismatched OS's, stock tune from an old ECM etc..)

And If I wasnt stupid the second time and didnt touch the hot stove after it burned me the first time, I would have a running truck right now. But we've already established that. :rolleyes:

STOP LOOK AND LISTEN. I learned that from Tony. :D

Ben

this is starting to look worse and worse

im not too worried about it. Just need a new ECM. Or fix the one that is still "sort of alive".

So Ben The Ppe Did Its Job As Best It Could , As For A Different Ecm Software It Had Stored , This Is Not A Ppe Programmer Issue, This Is YOUR Fault, For Not Unloading The Original Tune To Return To Stock At The First Dealer Trip You Did . For You To Out Right Blame Ppe Is A False Statement , Manny Here And My Self Included Have Used Ppe And Never Had A Ecm Get Fried. Ppe Is Not The Favorite Brand Of Smokes Here But , There Is Not One Thred Or Post About Ppe Tuners Frying Ecm,s , (there Have Been Many For Efi) . I Think You Might Want To "stop ,look ,and Listen " To Say The Least AND TAKE RESPONSIBILITY LIKE A MAN AND SAY WHOES FAULT THIS IS!!!

Ben - no offense but I tried to follow your sequence of events as closely as possible and think it is a stretch to blame PPE for your mishaps. Unless I am missing something PPE locks itself to one ECM unless the stock tune is put back onto that ECM. You violated this rule twice and are then blaming the PPE for messing your ECMs up.

To Say The Least AND TAKE RESPONSIBILITY LIKE A MAN AND SAY WHOES FAULT THIS IS!!!

At least when I fried my turbo, I took that like a man and paid for a replacement out of my pocket.

Who paid for your blown head gaskets?

Im done with this thread.

A programmer, programming tool or anything else that talks to the ECM shouldn't fry it regardless of the circumstances IMO. Key would being "shouldn't".

Okay guys, we've strayed quite a way from Mika's original question about tunes for BD SuperMax-equipped trucks. Any further non-constructive or off-topic posts and I'll close the thread.

Doug

its a complicated situation. Ill explain it in a time line.

~November 2005- I bought a PPE. Loaded tune.

December 2005- dealer replaced my ECM due to it failing to command proper fuel press reg values. I did NOT unload the tune before I went to the dealer. This was my mistake number one. Because my PPE still had that stock program still in it from the "lost forever" ECM.

December 2005- after ECM is replaced I start using EFILive. Never touch the PPE again, just use EFILIve.

Fast forward to yesterday.

Run a EFI tune, truck 1093's for unrelated reasons. I want to get a STOCK TUNE baseline. I dont have a stock LLY file on my laptop to load via EFILive. The only other way that I thougt I could return to stock was to dust off my PPE and use that. Mistake number two. The last ECM that my PPE had talked to/saved the stock tune from was longggg gone. The last ECM that the PPE saved the stock tune from had a very old operating system on it, an OS dating back to Feb 2005 when the truck was built.

I "returned to stock" with the PPE. No start. Try a partial flash with EFILive. DOesnt work. Cranks but no start. Try a full flash with EFI. Still no start, but the ECM is in communication with the BCM and Tech 2. Just wouldnt start the truck. The ECM is not brain dead, just has a bum program.

Install the new ECM, truck works fine. Laptop battery was dead. And I wanted to load a tune. I used the PPE...which STILL had not fully talked to and successfully saved a stock tun/loaded a new tune since November 2005. So I used the PPE and loaded the Extreme tune. Truck starts fine and works normally. Shut truck off, go for a ride in Diesel Dragon's truck, come back to mine, start it, and everything is screwed up. No gauges work, DIC info for fuel mileage, oil life etc. all come up as "---%". Tech 2 doesnt even recognize the ECM is there. BCM wont talk to it. EFILive wont talk to it. Its like the ECM just went completely retarded and forgot how to talk and listen to anything. YET...it still starts and runs the truck!!!!! Idle is not quite as smooth. Pressing the accellerator pedal does nothing except raise the RPM by maybe 10 rpm and give the idel a different sound. Security light is solid on. Check engine light on. Yet it stil starts and idles!! :confused:

I have a lot more hope of recovering my first ECM. The second one is just completely brain dead and I cant see how it would even have a chance of living again without soldering in a new chip.

Ben

Ok...I think I 'may' be able to recover them for you, however--soldering chips in these is impossible. Didn't you save a stock file from your truck with E-L ?
If you'd like--I can attempt a recovery on both of these for you. Send to our addy...Also send the PPE, and I'll try reset it. I'll help where I can.

Lyndon
Westers Garage
www.ecmprogrammer.com (http://www.ecmprogrammer.com)

For that BD, you are best off with a custom tune or a stack. The off-the-shelf extreme tunes will need still more fuel to get best power.

Perhaps give a call to Kennedy or Tony.

PS - I have flashed using PPE's tuners at least 200 times. They are basically as reliable as any other handheld uploader. But there is ALWAYS a risk.

Ok...I think I 'may' be able to recover them for you, however--soldering chips in these is impossible. Didn't you save a stock file from your truck with E-L ?
If you'd like--I can attempt a recovery on both of these for you. Send to our addy...Also send the PPE, and I'll try reset it. I'll help where I can.

Lyndon
Westers Garage
www.ecmprogrammer.com (http://www.ecmprogrammer.com)

Thanks Lyndon, appreciate that. We are going to try to TIS-recover the first ECM tomorrow, and that should work. The second one I will either send to you or the EFILive guys.

the stock file that I saved with EFILive was saved on my other computer which is at school, thats why I didnt have a stock Efilive file.

--Ben

I was at PPE yesterday (saturday) picking up my truck, finally had their new intake manifold installed, its black and looks cool.....and they mentioned they have new tunes that delete the variable vane turbo controls on my truck so I can use anyones aftermarket turbo, question is which one is best......

I agree, you were at fault, not PPE, I also have loaded several hundred times with no problems....

One question in the back of my mind is whether or not we can command adequate fueling on the top end for BD-equipped trucks using just programming and stock injectors. On one hand, some guys running the BD with the Extreme say it don't quite clean up the smoke, but even if that's true, will additional fuel create any more power or just more black smoke?

Any thoughts?

Doug

no need for your interprevention again, info needs to get out to be resoved, warnings like this just make things become a coverup


Okay guys, we've strayed quite a way from Mika's original question about tunes for BD SuperMax-equipped trucks. Any further non-constructive or off-topic posts and I'll close the thread.

Doug

No cover up Fred, but my comment stands with regard to posts such as those you've made in earlier in this thread. If you've got something constructive to post lets hear it.

Doug

Ok...I think I 'may' be able to recover them for you, however--soldering chips in these is impossible.

LLY flash chips are easy to remove/refit, it's the ECM connector removal that is the killer unless you have a few hours to kill.
I'm happy to redo the flash chip if someone gets the PCB seperated from the case.

There Is Not One Thred Or Post About Ppe Tuners Frying Ecm,s , (there Have Been Many For Efi) .

Many :eek2:

A programmer, programming tool or anything else that talks to the ECM shouldn't fry it regardless of the circumstances IMO. Key would being "shouldn't".

Just like VCR's (remember them) shouldn't chew tapes, just like light globes shouldn't blow, it happens. It happens with GM's own TechII.
Given C.A.P is telling us PPE tuners don't kill ECM's I guess there is probably something wrong with Ben's PPE programmer?

Cheers,
Ross

P.S - Sorry mods for the continued O.T, but we had to defend ourselves.

the stock file that I saved with EFILive was saved on my other computer which is at school, thats why I didnt have a stock Efilive file.

--Ben

A quick Email to me would have got you one.

Cheers,
Ross

A quick Email to me would have got you one.

Cheers,
Ross

any one of us for that matter.

Ben, keep your head up. There is some risk in public transparency, it goes with the territory. Hardly a real setback for you.

Just like VCR's (remember them) shouldn't chew tapes, just like light globes shouldn't blow, it happens. It happens with GM's own TechII.
Given C.A.P is telling us PPE tuners don't kill ECM's I guess there is probably something wrong with Ben's PPE programmer?

Cheers,
Ross

P.S - Sorry mods for the continued O.T, but we had to defend ourselves.[/quote]




It is not a poke at you Ross. This Topic has went way south and off its real subject. I do think most people have looked into this way to deep and were quick to judge , my self included!. It was not a (proper functioning, with the right ecm code)tuner issue, or your programing that caused this. I have seen every tuner out at one time or another lock up a ecm.Every one who reads Bens version can see what happened, he was not trying to deceive any one .!!.Upon talking with Ben it was as he stated a quick decision to try and solve a problem. Was it the best? probably not! It is not the end of the world. Lets move on and quit the MANUFACTUR bashing .
We my self included have done some stupid things and laugh about them after the fact , some how it always seems so clear after the fact. Lets move this thred back to the basis of the BD turbo and give Ben a break. we all are not perfect and have made mistakes too.

CAP

:exactly: :iamwithst

Thanks CAP...much appreciated...

My truck should be racing around by this afternoon, and me being on vacation this week ill have lots of time to play with tuning the BD. Im really looking forward to finding something that works well. Tony the tuner is going to give me a little help with it too.:muahaha:

stay tuned this week for more BD program updates.

-Ben

I do think most people have looked into this way to deep and were quick to judge , my self included!.

I think 'some' wanted to hear that it was EFILive that caused this and were suggesting everything they could to make a link, but I know our programming routines are pretty robust, there is not many (if any) programmers out there that will allow you to program with all the fuses in place like you can with EFI (minus all the aftermarket stereo equip). I do feel sorry for Ben because he's thinking was certainly quite logical, but like I said in my post, maybe there is something wrong with he's PPE programmer if that sort of behavior is almost un-heard of with that unit, it was not a cynical comment.
Please remember, I am not a salesman, I am one of the two people that develops EFILive, so snide remarks from people who would not know a bit from a byte are not appreciated (not referring to you either C.A.P).


We my self included have done some stupid things and laugh about them after the fact

Oh I know, ever tried bench flashing a Duramax ECM that is failing with weird results.....spending 40mins trying to figure out the problem only to see you also have an LS1 PCM on the data bus.

Folks, unless your post is about the "best program for bd-supermax turbo" from this point it IT WILL BE DELETED. This thread has nothing to do with Ben's mishap and shouldn't have been deviated by him or anyone else. If you wish to continue discussing Ben's mishap start a new thread about it where it belongs. Keeping threads on topic is criticial to making sure the information on this site is accurate and easy to find. Threads go off topic all too often and we're making an effort to prevent that.

no need for your interprevention again, info needs to get out to be resoved, warnings like this just make things become a coverup

Fred, the staff WILL intervene anytime a thread is dragged off course. There is nothing to cover up here and Doug didn't intervene for any other purpose than to get this thread back on topic.

ALL POSTS NOT RELATED TO THE THREAD TITLE WILL BE DELETED FROM HERE ON.

I just love threats for deletion...............truthfully what is the best for the bd turbo and has anyone dynoed it with stock injectors

Duradudz dyno'd his not too long ago and got about 40rwhp gain. Here's the thread:

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56888

Doug

I've been hoping to see a comprehensive test of before/after testing with ANY of the aftermarket turbos. Problem is, most skip the stock and lower HP tunes. Others combine mods like injectors at the same time eliminating any accurate comparison. Looking at Duradudz results are encoraging. I would have thought that the gains would be a bit stronger, but 40 HP is very respectable.

I've got an LLY here that we are trying to finish up with stock sticks in it. I dont know how good a comparison it would give as it does have a different Intercooler in it though. Also, the tires/gears are different then stock.

I have had the Super Max installed by Valley Fuel Injection in Vancouver. I am running the Juice with Attitude. Here are the Dyno results after install:
Stock - 270.9 HP @ 2650 RPM
Max Torque - 537.3 @ 2650 RPM
Level1 - 310.5 HP @ 2750 RPM
Max Torque - 636.4 @ 2250 RPM
Level 2 - 321.7 HP @ 2650 RPM
Max Torque - 689.5 @ 2250 RPM
Level 3 - 345.1 HP @ 2650 RPM
Max Torque - 746.9 @ 2250 RPM
Level 4 - 372.2 HP @ 2650 RPM
Max Torque - 786.3 @ 2200 RPM
Level 5 - 419.7 HP @ 2550 RPM
Max Torque - 893.7 @ 2100 RPM

I'm just waiting for the Kennedy Lift Pump System which is currently back ordered.

Nice peak on level 5 for a regular juice - or is that a Hot Juice - can't tell from your sig.

It's an Edge Juice Extreme with 5 levels. Level 5 is rated at an increase of125 HP.

Catmenace you could be making some serious power with a bigger tune for your truck. The edge is a good program, I had one, but with that big turbo, manifold and tranny upgrades that you have, with the right tune you could be pushing over 500 hp and 1,000 lbft of torque.

Do you have any dyno numbers before you put in the Turbo in ?

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No, I didn't have numbers prior. What tune do you recommend for what I'm running?

JakeGMCHD ran several 13.3's in the 1/4 mile with a HotJuice and the BD turbo on an 01. This was with 2.0 60ft times. He had a hard time getting the turbo to light with the HotJuice off the line...once it lit it pulled hard.

That Edge Juice Extreme Level 5 is the same as today's Edge Juice with Attitude Level 5.

Nice performance there! Shows how the turbo really makes things come alive.

What boost levels are you seeing?

Haven't really opened it up yet but I've seen in the low 30's.

No, I didn't have numbers prior. What tune do you recommend for what I'm running?

EFI live tuning software, You write your own tunes..

TTS extreme..

My EFI Live tune runs real good;) The tune was done by Clyde at West Coast Diesel Performance and Brandon (username 1000hp). Right now with my wastegate set at 30 psi it runs stronger than the PPE Hot+2/ VA 70 stack with boost controller @ 32psi did. I cant get on it at anything below 40mph in 2wd because it will just light up the tires:eek: . When it shifts from 3rd to 4th under WOT it barks the tires. I think its time to add some more fuel and turn up the wastegate:D

What tune do you recommend for what I'm running?

Well I'm partial to TTS Extreme. I made 470 hp and 955 ftlb's of torque on #2 only with just the program, a lift pump, exaust and stock turbo.

You could also try EFI Live or see if Tony will write you a program for your truck.

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DD your truck isnt Extremely Powerful anymore!! :eek:

DD your truck isnt Extremely Powerful anymore!! :eek:

I think a change in sig is coming for me too:ro)