this is the reason for high dirt and copper content in my oil sample from the oil analysis results post. every body take off your afe stage two intake and look at yours NOW. this is the paint gone that was sucked into the turbo. this picture is 4"s before the turbo and every bit of paint went threw my turbo and into the engine.the second picture is the second turn paint is gone there to.


johnhttp://dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/johns_intake_2.JPG


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/ZZ7_johns_intake.JPGEdited by: tulsa1718

Ouch,


I would try and get AFE to stand behind any out of pocket claims that you have at the very least for 150,000 miles with the engine in your truck. That is aweful. You had better at a bare minumum get a refund from the company to go along with this warranty.


I am glad I have not touched my intake.


Good luck to you,


Hunter

I would bet it was grit and oil that eroded the paint away in the first place.

Tulsa1718,





What type of element? Proguard 7? Prewrap?

after seeing that I would say unpainted plastic is a better choice for intake tubing, it doesn't act like a heat sink either

OUCH!

Holy Batsh*t, Batman!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif


Did you send the pics to the manufacturer????? Hope you still have the stock airbox! Dealers see that, and every one running an aftermarket airbox, just voided their warranty! Yowzah!

I agree Mike. The plastic intake tube is the way to go and it doesn't conduct heat either like you said. I was looking at the AFE but not anymore. That is ugly. I always thought the tubes were poweder coated or anodized, not plain old paint.

i have the 5 series not the 7 series. i just got off the phone with afe they are talking amoungest themselfs about this. they told me they did have a bad batch of tubes that were powder coated when they were rusted and the coated doesn't last. when they finish talking they are going to call me back. they are certainly concerned and they are going to do something about. i will let you guys know when they call me.


john

Tulsa 1718,





Did you ever spray any type of MAF sensor cleaner up your tube?


Is that rust or copper under that paint?

They use Amsoil paint

the rust is under the paint. a bad run of rusted intakes afe said, and yes i have sent them the pictures, they are talking about as we type.


johnEdited by: tulsa1718

So what is under the rust? What is that tube? Copper, brass, steele?


It looks like copper? Is that all rust on top of iron/steel?

Copper and Brass being non-ferrous materials won't rust.


I had my K&N plastic tube off the other day for an inspection and it was clean. I thought about going with the AFE as their tube looks nice but after seeing the paint loss I am glad for the plastic.

does anyone have a special going on on a stock filter setup as i think now would be a good time. plastic tubes don't peel and a paper filter is garranteed to seal.

Looks like a good example of why secondary air filtration is needed. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif

the tube is steel and rusted and i have never cleaned the inside with anything. i have checked the whole tube and both turns have the paint sandblasted off. the picture is the second turn the first turn is the same, so twice the paint went threw that the picture shows.


johnEdited by: tulsa1718

Tulsa 1718,


I believe you and your competance, just trying to get all of the facts out on the table.


I find a contradiction brewing. AFE is stating a bad batch of paint/rust.


You are saying both corners are sand balsted.


I think a filter is leaking. That stage 5 is no different then my discarded K&N.


Why else would AFE go to a new improved Progaurd 7 filter media?


I wonder if the new media is any better?


Wonder if this is why my BRIGGS AND STRATTON lawn mower has a paper element? Some will say to save money, but Briggs abd Stratton has never skimped on anything. In my opinion they build one of the best small motors. Overpriced Hondas are a little better.Edited by: Bronco

FWIW although there should not be paint peeling from the inside of your intake tube I wouldn't think it would do any damage to the engine. It might cause a restriction in the intercooler though.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif

Looks like a paint prep/adhesion issue. I doubt this was from erosion due to dirt.

That is horrible ....


I just inspected my mass air and looked inside the tube and didn't see anything obvious, but did I look close enough ?? I certainly wouldn't be expecting that ....


It does look like paint just separating as oppose to sand blasting ....


How long have you had it on your vehicle and miles .... Hopefully it is a bad lot and not a reoccurring problem ....


Thanks for letting us know and please let us know the out come ....


Mac

that is what afe is saying, they say this batch of tubes was powder coated with rust on them. they haven't called me back yet so they are still trying to find out what to do for me.


john


02 3500 cc lb 4x4 lt/with afe stage 2 intake removed

Scrape off some paint in a trouble free area. That will tell us the truth. It there is rust under it, then AFE is correct. If there is no rust under it, well then I would have to go back to the sanblast theory. Edited by: Bronco

i have had it on for about 25,000 miles, mack. i will scrape some paint off when my truck gets back from the shop for an oil change.


john


02 3500 cc 4x4 lt/with discarded afe stage 2 intakeEdited by: tulsa1718

WAIT!


I would not do ANYthing to alter the pipe at this point. Not until this is settled with AFE.


That does it for me, Im going back to stock Tonight as soon as i get home from work. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


So, I guess the money spent of the stage 2 is just a total loss.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif


Maybe I'll get it setup to work on my weed-wacker http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

You really need to hold it up to a light to look for pin holes! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Here's a stock box for sale on Ebay. It's at $35.00 now. All these probs with aftermarket filtration, I'm beginning to think it's time to get rid of my K & N Filter. Any Bad experiences with them out there? I do not want to be the first...





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Here's a stock box for sale on Ebay. It's at $35.00 now. All these probs with aftermarket filtration, I'm beginning to think it's time to get rid of my K & N Filter. Any Bad experiences with them out there? I do not want to be the first...





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From some very reliable sources, The K&N are just short of using NO air filter. As quoted by a respected source on this forum, "They do a great job filtering bricks and birds, but little more." I would never use a K&N. SPICER

Man the after-market Filter companies are taking some big hits ....


Lets continue to support Spicer to get some scientific proof ....


Who new .....


Anybody wanna do a group purchase on ACDELCO stock .... http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif


Mac

thats fun mackin; though i shouldn't speak, my ac delco is back on my truck. however afe has assured me they will take care of me, how they have'nt said yet. i guess their still deciding.


john


02 3500 cc lb 4x4 lt/with discarded afe stage 2 intakeEdited by: tulsa1718

Tulsa1718,


Did you get a chance to scrape off some paint and verify if there was rust underneath the paint?


If you are worried about tampering just take some before and after pictures of the area you are gonna work on. Circle it when you are finished.


Not to sound to cynical but I will. PC sent his UNI to UNI and they hacked his filter into pieces. Can you say destroying evidence. If I were you, I would keep my tube in my own possesion and try to preserve quality as much as possible. Other than the scraping off of some paint.


Sorry to be a gloomer but your bottom end could go out tommorow. I know the chances are slim to none, but stranger things have happened. Your pictures and tube are the only thing you will have to go on if future trouble arises.

thats true bronco, strange things can happen, it could die tommorrow. but it will probably wait till i'm on vacation next year and with the whole family driving threw the desert. my luck, i have'nt decided yet on the scraping though. when i here from afe i will decide.


john

From my experience with K&N, I had normal silica during the first analysis, then K&N and the silica shot sky high, back to stock and all went to normal.

K&N straight to the garbage can. And yes I had enough oil on the filterr.

Copper and Brass being non-ferrous materials won't rust.





He knew that, he was just testing you...


If it was sandblasted it would not be rusty or have loose sheets of paint flaking.





PS. the "bricks and birds" guy is running UNI in his trucks...





tulsa,


I'd do a couple of short run oil changes in succession to flush the system of any debris. If you want to cover all the bases, pull the intercooler and hve a reputable radiator shop clean it out. Just be sure they understand it needs to be spotless when finished...

Keep the pipe as evidence. After getting the run around by Ford for my truck, I no longer trust any company.

Kennedy,


Try not to be so sarcastic. I was not testing anybody. It appeared that due to the high copper count and the heat sink comments that some might of percieved it to be copper. I did. I just wanted to make sure I knew what I was looking at. I do know no exactly what I am looking at.


John have you ever put a freshly poilshed piece of steele outside overnight?

thats fun mackin; though i shouldn't speak, my ac delco is back on my truck. however afe has assured me they will take care of me, how they have'nt said yet. i guess their still deciding.


john


02 3500 cc lb 4x4 lt/with discarded afe stage 2 intake





Do us all a favor and ask if they have test SAE J726 or ISO 5011 test data on their air filters. And we want the COMPLETE data, not just flow data. So far in all of my research and inquireing, only Baldwin has produced the data. SPICER

PS. the "bricks and birds" guy is running UNI in his trucks...





We have been awaiting oil analysis data from George on a number of trucks running with UNI. To date the "spectacular" oil analysis results from trucks using UNI also were using bypass oil filtration. Any more data yet? SPICER

i have a truck in the shop now with injector issues.
pulled the injectoe sleeves out and found a piece of silver flake wedged between the tube nipple and cylinder housing. I said to my seff "where did this come from"
now I know. this truck has afe....thanks for the help...

patrick, look at your intake and make sure, then call afe and join my club and for god sake change your oil now.


john


02 3500 cc lb 4x4 lt/with discarded afe stage 2 intakeEdited by: tulsa1718

my worries are only getting bigger, kennedy feels intercooler cleaning is in order, now patrick thinks he has found paint flakes in his cylinders, i'm feeling better by the minute about this. I'M REALLY WORRIED GUYS.


JOHN

I've been running a K&N conical filter since day one. With over 80000 miles on my truck I've never even had a hint of dirt anywhere past the filter (on the intake tube or the turbo inlet elbow, ect) when doing the "white glove" test

Stock paper filters are the way to go!--(JMHO)------Phil

WAIT!


I would not do ANYthing to alter the pipe at this point. Not until this is settled with AFE.


That does it for me, Im going back to stock Tonight as soon as i get home from work. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


So, I guess the money spent of the stage 2 is just a total loss.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif


Maybe I'll get it setup to work on my weed-wacker http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif





Maybe not, if AFE is right and I would bet they are, maybe they are not many bad ones out there.

Hello Auto Parts Store? I need a paper filter for my DMax, STAT!


Thunk!!! (Sound of K & N Hitting Trash Can)


Oil Change Time!

I've been running a K&N conical filter since day one. With over 80000 miles on my truck I've never even had a hint of dirt anywhere past the filter (on the intake tube or the turbo inlet elbow, ect) when doing the "white glove" test


My K&N experiences are, 250,000+ on a 92 Dakota, all with K&N, 152,000 on a 93 Z28, 24,000 on a 02 SS Camaro, probably 50,000 of the 75,000 on My DA. Nothing uses oil and no issues with water infiltration etc. On My DA I get Maf related ses lights infrequently, but that's a function of Maf location and tube size screwing with calibration or something, not the filter.

I pulled mine last night and checked, it was clean and no signs of paint peel. Sounds like it was a bad batch but only AFE would know the numbers. Interested to hear what they are going to do about it though. Good luck!

I just pulled mine about 10 minutes ago.


Looks brand new! Clean, with no indication of paint problems at all!!!!!http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Thumbs%20Up.gif


Phew!!!!!http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big%20Smile.gif


I've had mine in place for about 5 or 6 months now. I will keep an eye on it from now on though.


I hope aFe treats you right. They have too much to loose if they drop the ball on this one!








Kevin

tulsa1718


When did you purchase the Stage II ??


Did Advanced Flow Engineer give any info as to how many bad units ??


What can they actually do other then return your money ?? Wonder how far they will go along peacfully ...


Seems like the will handle the issue better then UNI did ,so far,but time will tell ....


I haven't taken mine off yet but I will .... I've had mine off a few times ,even to paint never noticed anything abnormal ...


This is why I wonder actual in service ,miles time ....


Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif

I've been running a K&N conical filter since day one. With over 80000 miles on my truck I've never even had a hint of dirt anywhere past the filter (on the intake tube or the turbo inlet elbow, ect) when doing the "white glove" test


A lack of dirt on the intake tube DOES NOT mean that you do not have dirt getting past the filter. Every filter lets dirt past. It is just a matter of which filters do a better job of filtering than others.


So far in my tests I have NO dirt in the intake tube, yet a LOT of dirt has been collected on the post-filters. Dirt in the tube is probably more a function of static electricity or oil contamination from over-oiled filters than it is from just dirt. SPICER

i bought the filter from afe, the even put it on for me. they wanted to see it on 3500 since they said they had never put one on the 1 ton before. my real worries are the afects of powder coated paint inside the engine. about 10 square inchs went in total. how much is still there and where did it all go to, the oil had some so where else did it end up. i am hoping to get them to clean the entire intake system. does anyone know what that much paint does to your engine, long term. and i don't even what to think about what would of happened had the dealer found this instead of me. thats something i am going to let afe know.


john

my real worries are the afects of powder coated paint inside the engine. about 10 square inchs went in total. how much is still there and where did it all go to, the oil had some so where else did it end up.


Well, it would go through the turbo compressor to the intercooler and into the intake. From there, you're through the intake valves and into the cylinders. Anything that has survived the "slicing and dicing" of all that, then there will be some burning in the cylinder and expulsion through the exhaust valves and turbo. I think the biggest concerns for damage will be the turbo compressor wheel (biggest chunks), intake valve seats, cylinder walls and rings. Edited by: Idle_Chatter

I think the biggest concern would be the intercooler.


I think its very reasonable to ask AFE to go through the intake side.

Well I just went out and removed the AFE Stage 2 intake and put my stock intake back on. I have included three pictures of my findings. Although not nearly as bad as Tulsas, I have only had the AFE on for maybe 3000 miles.


By the way, YES< that IS bare metal you can see at the bend! Thank goodness there is no large flaking or rust, but Im contacting AFE today. Also, check out those nice shavings from drilling the Filter Diff. pressure Gauge hole! How would that travel through the system http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Dead.gif


These pictures are looking into the pipe from the filter side. When I checked in the turbo side, it showed no signs of wear. I did however, see what appeared to be a fine dusty film in the pipe....





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My AFE will come off tonight for a look see. I have run mine for about 12,000 mi. I hope I don't see anything like that.

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if you send your pipe in you will never see it again and they will say nothing is wrong with it....after being in business for 54 years its bad to say but thats the way most companies do business now days...

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Thats crap.. that alone would make me want a refund!!

Not only are the filter companies beginniing to taking a hit, but vendors will be also.

I looked at my AFE intake last night...filter needed cleaning anyway. It looks good with no bare spots or peeling. There is one small area way inside that has what looks to be rough or loose paint, but I could'nt get any to come off. A small amount of paint did come off on the turbo side that must have come loose when I was trying to jam the tube that was made TOO LONG during install. I guess I will be jamming this thing on again....I like this intake and the added audio affect. Until now I have'nt heard anything negative about the AFE, have I missed any other negative info?....oil samples, dirt getting by, etc. I know there are a lot of them out there.

Not only are the filter companies beginniing to taking a hit, but vendors will be also.

part of 35% to ? mark up

I too feel the bulk of the paint will be lodged in the intercooler. From my experience with powdercoating. The intake tubes definitely were not properly prepared for powdercoating which leads to the results shown in the photos. If any paint made it into the engine It would simply be burned up in my opinoin. The paint is to soft to harm any engine parts.


Corsair

I too feel the bulk of the paint will be lodged in the intercooler. From my experience with powdercoating. The intake tubes definitely were not properly prepared for powdercoating which leads to the results shown in the photos. If any paint made it into the engine It would simply be burned up in my opinoin. The paint is to soft to harm any engine parts.


Corsair





Bingo http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

I too feel the bulk of the paint will be lodged in the intercooler. From my experience with powdercoating. The intake tubes definitely were not properly prepared for powdercoating which leads to the results shown in the photos. If any paint made it into the engine It would simply be burned up in my opinoin. The paint is to soft to harm any engine parts.


Corsair








I'm a dummy here...Are you saying that the paint that is/was inside the engine, most likely will have no serious adverse affects on the engine, or is there likely some sort of intercooler problem that may raise its head down the road?


Sadly, I don't know enough about the internal workings of the engine to understand this very well.








Thanks,


Kevin

Tulsa,


Have you heard back from AFE? If so, what are they going to do to remedy this problem?

Filters are over rated! I have been running the last 25k without one. The Dmax is undestructible. You can do all sorts of hidiuos things to it with no adverse affects. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif

I talked to the same guy Tulsa did (no names) at AFE. After describing my tube, he said he would gladly send me a new tube. I mentioned that it was a very good thing Tulsa let us know to check because if mine looked like his I would be HOT! And I live very near AFE http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif . The guy was really cool though. I think he knows that they better treat Tulsa right cuz alot of guys are watching the outcome.


I also found out that I DO NOT have the pro guard 7 filter and its like another $100! ~That pisses me off. So now I have a so-so filter worth nothing and have to spend another 100+ to get the right filter?


I also mentioned my tube being to damn long and he said the new tube he's sending will be correct. He said a few of the tubes -other than having bad coatings, also ended up about 1/2" too long. I think its more like 1" but we'll see.

2muchfun Kennedy sells the proguard 7 filter for less than $100 check out his web site.

hacksaw, afe has had me send them my requests for a resolution to this problem in writing. that was 3 days ago, i was very conservative in my requests, considering the situation. they, as of today have not responded. i am begining to think that in my case, a really bad tube, with the engine consuming about 10 square inchs of paint. that they are going over there conditions for dealing with me very carefully. or they are seeking third party advise, but i dont know anything for sure. i do know that it does not take 3 days to resolve something like this, with my requests being so conserative that is. unless they really dont know how to handle it. but i am still waiting patiencly.


john

Good luck tulsa, I hope this all works out ok for you. I'm going to take mine off today and take a look, I got a sick feeling when I first opened this thread..

Thankfully, I don't have a lot of these out there as I don't actively promote them. Irregardless, I have a call in and should know something soon.





I'm sure it was likely a bad batch of pipes, but IMHO, a 304SS pipe is the answer. Better yet a tough composite material. I'd like to see the filter minder tube deleted as the weld/seam area is a bad thing, and an invitation for rust to start. I'm also looking to see the pipe length corrected as mentioned by Motovet...

The filter minder is a big question mark. Wished there were an easy way to delete it and keep the stock filter box.

Thankfully, I don't have a lot of these out there as I don't actively promote them. Irregardless, I have a call in and should know something soon.





I'm sure it was likely a bad batch of pipes, but IMHO, a 304SS pipe is the answer. Better yet a tough composite material. I'd like to see the filter minder tube deleted as the weld/seam area is a bad thing, and an invitation for rust to start. I'm also looking to see the pipe length corrected as mentioned by Motovet...











I bet someone could sell quite a few of those if such a pipe were made... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gifEdited by: Michigana_Joe

The Ford SD version is ABS right? If so, WTF?? Why the change for us?





Tulsa, the next time you talk to AFE I would reiterate the fact that there are MANY people watching this situation closely and it would be in their best intrest as a company to 'do the right thing' in resolving your situation. This is a cut and dry issue.


I sure feel for you, I get a sick feeling thinking about being in your situation http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif

I just got back an oil test useing a Afe Pro Gaurd 7/prewrap. So far tube looks OK. Oil had 5000 mi. of heavy towing, at 90 hp setting, from NY to FL and back and fairly dusty. Lots of salt dust and debris. Si was 5ppm and all wear metals were in the single digits. This was a ferrographic analysis so ANYTHING would show up if it was there. This looks pretty good to me but I am keeping an eye on the tube condition. By the way the oil was Delvac 1.

well, everyone i am leaving today for 1 week to go to the get together in temecula and then heading to san fransisco for work tommmorrow afternoon. i will return next saturday. if afe contacts me while i am gone i will post the info i get when i return. hopefully they will contact me this week so we can resolve this.

"I also found out that I DO NOT have the pro guard 7 filter and its like another $100! ~That pisses me off. So now I have a so-so filter worth nothing and have to spend another 100+ to get the right filter?"


2MUCHFUN, AFE ought to send u the filter for free just because of the trouble u have.

Dmax Tim


I thought they were a different color. The Pro Guard 7 being Gold and the original is a Blue color. Atleast that is what I was told. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

Ya, I wish Timhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


You are correct Nitro. The Proguard is gold and the original is blue. I have blue and didnt know which was which.

Word is, the pipe length is corrected, and the paint was a batch thing. Dunno, I'm waiting till I get a corrected length unit before I re-order.





The color MAY have something to do with the element, but I haven't kept up with the minor details. The thing to remember though is the service kits come in gold or blue. Personally, I like the light color to show the contrast if dirty or clean...

Guys,


I just checked my AFE tube. It looks brand new inside! I did a sweep with a white cloth and it came out clean as well. Somehow I dodged both this and the Uni bullet.http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Shocked.gif


I installed the AFE stage II non-proguard/no-sock Feb. 20th approx. 2,500 miles ago.


Right now I'm feeling like the luckiest man in the world. I'm going out right now and buy a lottery ticket!


It will be interesting to see if AFE stands behind their product. Although I really would prefer a plastic tube for heat sink reasons.

JK, I installed an AFE stage 2 with Proguard 7 on the 27th of March and I had to wrestle it into place still seems about 1/2 inch too long. Mine came directly from AFE. The Proguard 7 filter is yellow/gold in color and the regular filter is blue. I have one of each.


Harvey

I will add after I inspected mine I also found a clean powder coated surface minus any material seperation ....I'm hoping AFE takes care of the defective part to your satisfaction ...


Good luck Tulsa ....





Mac

I will have to check my afe tommorow. I got mine new from JK back in October. Mine seems to be the correct length, it fits just fine and I can pull the filter off easily without pulling the tube off.

checked my afe II and all is well.........55k miles no paint issues and the tube was clean........the filter minder bung works well for propane

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Checked my afe today, no problems with any paint peeling and the tube was clean with the paper towel test.

They sent me a new tube yesterday.


It does seem to be the correct length, but the interior of the tube in brand new condition is very unimpressive to me. Maybe Im just a bit oversensitive now, but Im selling it.


I will say AFE did follow through very well and the bung for the filter minder is ground well on the inside on this tube.

I've been running a K&N conical filter since day one. With over 80000 miles on my truck I've never even had a hint of dirt anywhere past the filter (on the intake tube or the turbo inlet elbow, ect) when doing the "white glove" test


My K&N experiences are, 250,000+ on a 92 Dakota, all with K&N, 152,000 on a 93 Z28, 24,000 on a 02 SS Camaro, probably 50,000 of the 75,000 on My DA. Nothing uses oil and no issues with water infiltration etc. On My DA I get Maf related ses lights infrequently, but that's a function of Maf location and tube size screwing with calibration or something, not the filter.





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I gotta agree with these K&N comments. My last 4 vehicles all well over 140,000 miles on each. K&N from day one on all of them. Only had ONE problem on with too much oil, my own fault and had to clean the MAF on the '97 Z71.


I routinely wipe out the box and the tubes the post filter and have always come out clean.


Dont throw you K&N's in the trash, send them to me, I'll take them.

Any results or word back from AFE yet?

Yeah, this issue seems unresolved.... What's the buzz, Cuz?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif

well sorry for waiting so long to post a reply to this problem. i have been getting over my disappointment with afe. i did'nt want to post a result under upset conditions. the matter is resolved. however afe didnt want to do any thing other than replace the intake, which i already payed for. and give me 25.00 for a oil sample to see if the engine oil was still dirty after i payed 120.00 to dump out my delvac 1 and put new in. they wanted to give me 25.00 when i lost 120.00 on an oil change. doesnt make for a happy camper. i left the matter alone for about a week, because i was upset. later the next week i was talking to kennedy and the matter came up. i told him of their reply, and he to was disappointed in the reply. they said there decision was based on the fact that the engineers said that the paint going in the engine DID NOT cause the oil sample numbers to be what they were. kennedy said they should get new engineeers, i agree, however, the next day john sent them an e-mail about my case. then eric called me the next day, and wanted to know what how he could fix this. gee, dont fix anything untill your dealers call you, that my thoughts anyway. eric asked what he could do so i would be happy, i said just pay for my oil change and filters. thats all i asked for before all this started. which i thought was ultra conservative, by the way. eric said he would, but still stood by the engineers, that the paint DID NOT cause my numbers to be so high. that they feel it had nothing to do with it. i would like to go on the record to say that i feel eric was just doing his job by standing by the company he works for. and as an employee he was doing what he is suppose to, that his job. he was not out to get me or screw me, just doing what the powers that be told him to. and when kennedy sent them that e-mail they were forced to change their tune. and eric got the duties of calling me. my disappointment comes from the fact that they were forced by a vender, to agree to pay for one oil change. in the end i got what i wanted, it was how we arrived at that end that bothers me. i feel i was lucky, because i only asked for an oil change and they declined. then revisited the subject after the email. which is the only reason i got the oil paid for. if i was asking for what i should of, which could of been alot more. i have no doubt they would of done NOTHING at all. i still have a stock box on due to my disappointment. basically they did more when forced, and next to nothing when asked to stand behind there product. STANDING BEHIND YOUR PRODUCT MEANS MORE THAN JUST REPLACING IT IF IT IS DEFECTIVE SOMETIMES. I CANT COMPLAIN TO MUCH THEY DID GIVE ME WHAT I ASKED FOR AFTER BEING FORCED TO. EVERYONE GIVE KENNEDY A HAND.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif<IMG onMouseOver="this.style.cursor='hand'" onMouseOut="this.style.cursor=''" alt='Click on image to open in new window' onClick="window.open('smileys/Clap.gif', 'Image',

I would be curious to see the email JK sent AFE??


JK probally clued AFE onto the 4000 members and countless guest awaiting the outcome.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

i have a copy of it . he didnt say anything about anybody else. but most poeple in this industry know that he is well respected. and so does afe. thats why they changed thier tune.