Whaat is the answer to the Big question. Just like Duramax vs Cummins24v with edge comp box and 6" stacks. I would like to know how well an ext cab sshort bed would do against the above and also an 02 stock Powerjoke with a diff muffler. My friend has the Powerjoke and my neighbor has the Cummapart. The powerjoke guy says I shouldnt even get a Duramax because they are junk. My neighbor says his Cumalong will whoop on that Duramax if I got one. Help me tell the people, I told them that they are wrong. I'm tired of listening to that drone from them 6" stacks from the neighbors Cummins. Want to hear deep growl from powerful Duramax.

No point to say anything, they are both idiots!!!


don't waste your breath with them , by a dmax and show them

Yep, get the Dmax, throw a juice on it (I guess you gotta wait on the LLY http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif) put a nice exhaust and make them eat mud

Why would you worry about what others say? Obviously you joined this forum because you had in mine getting the Dmax, so why not just get it, what for mods to come out and then make him eat the rubber that you peel off the tires. Enough said. Dmax all the way.

what kind of competition are you talking about?

Hooking bumpers has nothing to do with power

on the dyno, the ford owner will cry.

On the strip, there is no comp, dmax will smoke em, especaily if they don't have autos

On the track, dmax + box/tunner, 1st high floor it, you'll smoke em.

Dmax is the answer just buy one, if you need big power right away, i'd get a early 04 from a lot.

The duramax will beat them both stock I believe.

I don't knowhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif.......I'd hate to admit it, but a friend of mine just bought a 350 crew cab long bed, and he got on it one day with me in the truck and it felt like it had a little more than my Dmax!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif! He can also brake the tires loose from a dead stop, I can't!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif I know his truck is stock, as is mine!!.....He's dying to run me one day, but I'm afraid I won't have enough to take him! I'm trying to stall him until I get an edge so that I KNOW I'll win!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif

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Get a Bully dog Pup and install tow mode only so you won't beat him bad and he will still think you are stock. Engine still quiet and no smoke. about 1500 rpm with foot on brake will have boost up and leave good.


Geno


Itll run way over 100 mph also

I've been thinking about running him stock.....the only problem is, if I don't beat him, I'll NEVER hear the end of it!!!!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


It's too bad there isn't a place to run legally here on Long Island. The only track around closed up a couple of years ago. oh well, just have to do it on the street!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif

Do you have an LLY or LB7?

Do you have an LLY or LB7?


LB7.

what are the 0-60 and or 1/4 mile times for a stock LB7 and a stock 6.0 Powerstroke?

The Powerjoke that is my friends is stock except for a diff muffler and my gay neighbor has an edge comp box fo his cummins 6" stacks,K&amp;N. He says he is at 500hp. Ha Ha I try to control myself. I just hope after I take a test drive this weekend that my final decision is made. When I get it if I do, They should have everything out for the new LLY's by then. He says tranny mods for the Cumalong and then injectors and some other crap(rolling my eyes). I believe I could take him.

its not all about straight line drags on who is faster, you need to know how to be one with your D-max when your competing and ya won't lose http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif I have the lly and I can't wait to drag a cummin's or a power stroke it's going to be great I'm not worried at allhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gifEdited by: BlueCrew 04 D/A SB GMC

Now Adam (Z71 Grizzly) you know I live about 20 minutes from you and I told you I would give you a test drive in my juice/attitude equipped Duramax... Just tell your friendly neighbors to head north, there is a Dmax waiting!! By the way, I ran her hard tonight as she was gettin restless... She told me she was pissed because of a couple fellas in Monroeville that said they could take her.


p.s. now I've learned that when a woman is pissed, you listen to her... and let me tell you, she's pissed!


Dan


Edited by: StraitDiesel

Good one Dan. My little Cummins neighbor wants to see your run sometime because he has such a big head and thinks his cummins is the *%#*. Since I'm a Chevy fan and looking to get a Dmax I've got to hear and see it run. See ya

Good one Dan. My little Cummins neighbor wants to see your run sometime because he has such a big head and thinks his cummins is the *%#*. Since I'm a Chevy fan and looking to get a Dmax I've got to hear and see it run. See ya


The way you run your mouth on here about the come a part, he is gay, and power joke. I would hope they run you in the ground.


I don`t know you from Adam, but it looks to me like you need to do so growing up. The Dodge has a Cummins, and the Ford has a Powerstroke. And what the hell does his liking or not liking men have to do with the truck, and which one is faster?


When you learn how to give respect, that is when you will notice you will get it in return. Have a nice day!

just to give you guys the heads up ford 6.0 is faster in stock form. my brother has a 03 powerstroke and i just bought a used 03 dmax, long story short he kicked my as*. we tried every thing from just stomping on it from the start to power braking, i would launch quicker and get out about 15-20ft then he would run me down every time.


and while i was cruising the lot at the steelership they let me take a 04 dmax unsupervised so i called him up on the cell and we ran these with the same results.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


where is the cheapest place to get the edge, i do not like getting stomped.Edited by: rocksam

my stock d max will outrun an equal 6.0 powerstroke all day long......


esp at a 50 or 60 kick runs off and leaves it.......so an old 7.3 is not even a match and the cummins is not worth the fuel

my stock d max will outrun an equal 6.0 powerstroke all day long......


esp at a 50 or 60 kick runs off and leaves it.......so an old 7.3 is not even a match and the cummins is not worth the fuel


did the guys you ran know they were racing or did you just run them?





we even tried the 55 mph rolling start and he drove away. not to worry though i ordered the edge this morning from us diesel parts, he wont get me again.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Me and my buddy both bought brand new trucks at the same time. We both ordered 2002 Ford Powerstrokes. A couple days later I seen the truck I really wanted EXACTLY how I had planned to order it and it was only 36,900.00 I only went with the Powerstroke because the best deal I had found on the Dmax was 41k and that was just too much cash. Anyway as soon as he got his truck we spent about 3 hours racing and doing 0-60s and all kinds of crap to see who made the right choice. He already had some little programmer and is added some HP and made it shift better and I was bone stock and I was faster. Without that little programmer he was getting stroked by the big D. When you ride in a Superduty they feel like your going faster than you are because they make so much damn vibration and noise and stuff. I am still stock and he has spent a LOT of money to get ahead of me with the exhaust and some thing that make the truck poor diesel straight out the exhaust in a huge cloud of black smoke. I have 35k on my engine now and it has never been to a dealership since the day I took in home. In fact I don't even know a single person in the service department. Oh and that day when we were doing all the tests his truck fell flat on it's face about every other try and we never did find out why. I am about to order this Edge juice with the in cab or the box from that place in canada DSG makes. I am trying to verify first that I won't be pouring diesel straight out the exhaust in a big black cloud of smoke .. Somethings are just not worth having. Another buddy of mine was not too thrilled to see that his Grand Prix got beat by a 7,000 pound truck. WHOEVER SAID THE DMAX DOESNT BREAK THE TIRES LOOSE STOCK IS NOT DOING SOMETHING RIGHT. I laid down a dual 30+ foot patch the day I got mine. I think if I was getting a truck to pull a 5th wheel over the road I would get a Superduty. It has more room and does get a little better mileage. I don't have or want one though and I dont want a truck that feels like it will tip over when you make quick lane changes. When you get in a superduty that has been beefed up and they sh*t can it the thing feels like its going to come unglued. It definitely makes it seem fast but the Dmax feels like a precision instrument. I am done ranting on now.

just to give you guys the heads up ford 6.0 is faster in stock form. my brother has a 03 powerstroke and i just bought a used 03 dmax, long story short he kicked my as*. we tried every thing from just stomping on it from the start to power braking, i would launch quicker and get out about 15-20ft then he would run me down every time.


and while i was cruising the lot at the steelership they let me take a 04 dmax unsupervised so i called him up on the cell and we ran these with the same results.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


where is the cheapest place to get the edge, i do not like getting stomped.





Edged out my neighbors 6.0 a couple times. It was no blowout but I did pull away by about 3 or 4 truck lengths. He blames it on the fact that he has 4 wheel drive but I don't think it would make that much of a difference since I also had close to the same results with a 6.0 2wd that is owned by another friend from the office.


BTW the were both aware that it was a race.

I'd have to agree that in stock form the 6.0 is faster. G-teched two fords and two duramaxes with the same result: 6.0 was faster by about 1.5 to 2 tenths. Don't get me wrong you couldn't melt me and pour me in a ford but that was my observation. I haven't g teched our lly but I would think it'd be a closer race

They are so close I don't think the results would be linear. Could be a matter of winding up with a fast one or not. Even same brands are not exact on performance. For whatever reason my truck has always appeared to run strong since new.

I forgot to mention on important thing. He had changed to a taller and wider tire. I had changed to a taller tire but stayed at the same width. I went with a very moderate size increase and he went a little but bigger. It has been my experience that when you go with taller tires you lose some in the accelleration. When you go with wider tires you tend to lose a little bit more in accelleration and also in mpg on the highway.

WHOEVER SAID THE DMAX DOESNT BREAK THE TIRES LOOSE STOCK IS NOT DOING SOMETHING RIGHT.


Well, let's see... come to stop, MASH pedal. What else should I be doing??http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif It's not rocket science! When I did that, the tires would not break loose!! When my friend does that with the PS, they will! I'm sure if I powerbraked I could smoke the tires, but I'm not into beating the hell out of a truck with 2K miles on it.

I have not seen nor have I talked to anyone with the Duramax in stock form that could spin the tires on dry pavement. This is without power braking and on a stright run.


This is due to the turbo needing to spool up. The new VVT should do a much better job in this area. That is why the new 6.0L Powerstroke will spin the tire rather easily.

I have not seen nor have I talked to anyone with the Duramax in stock form that could spin the tires on dry pavement.


I can break mine loose when needed...


Nothing like starting off in 2nd, quickly rev up, shift to 3rd and get on it, and make the tires bark....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


AAaahh, the power of ZF...


Later...

YES HE KNEW WE WAS RACING.......HE FOLLOWED ME FROM WORK (WE WORK TOGETHER) TO THE INTERSTATE (2 BLOCKS).....HE GAVE THE GO EVERYTIME. HE EVEN GOT A LIL JUMP TO START WITH BUT I STILL GOT EM

not trying to piss you off just asking. our trucks are both cc,lb's but mine is dually and his is lifted with 315's. i thought it must be that mine is heavier so we went to the local weight station and found out that his 120lbs heavier wich i don't understand.

I've driven both the 6.0 Ford, and the LLY. Neither would break the tires loose on dry asphault. The acceleration was very similiar with perhaps a nod going to the Ford.


The LLY "bogs" (defuels) for the first ~20mph, then it hits hard. The Ford did the same thing. My guess is programming to protect the trans.

You Guy's that are outrunning the 6.0's stock have strong trucks, or theirs are weak etc. On average the 6.0 has a little on the Dmax. I personally don't like the 6.0, but it's a strong stock engine as is the Cummings as well. Be glad that the competition is so close, if it wasn't then our trucks wouldn't be as good as they are.

Truck to truck variation explains all. That's why some get 20 mpg all the time and other only 14. If you line up 10 stock Dmaxes and race them, one will be the fastest. Same thing with the other brands. That's why we race, dyno and mess with them. You have to look at tires, exhaust, fuel, additives, ambient temps, trannys, blah, blah, blah. I'm pretty sure no one here is lying about what there truck did. I'm also sure I can't spin the tires on mine without a powerbrake when in stock programing (haven't tried with the A/J yet). Someone will always be faster.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif

Whaat is the answer to the Big question. Just like Duramax vs Cummins24v with edge comp box and 6" stacks. I would like to know how well an ext cab sshort bed would do against the above and also an 02 stock Powerjoke with a diff muffler. My friend has the Powerjoke and my neighbor has the Cummapart. The powerjoke guy says I shouldnt even get a Duramax because they are junk. My neighbor says his Cumalong will whoop on that Duramax if I got one. Help me tell the people, I told them that they are wrong. I'm tired of listening to that drone from them 6" stacks from the neighbors Cummins. Want to hear deep growl from powerful Duramax.


I recently had the opportunity to compete against an '04 Powerstroke 6.0 and a '04 HO Cummins. Both of these vehicles are stock. Mine is not!


With my Edge Attitude set on "0" all 3 trucks performed about the same from both a standing and rolling start. I think that my Duramax's performance was significantly enhanced by the Banks Monster Exhaust and AFE Stage2 intake and allowed me to be competitive against these two trucks that both have more HP and Torgue in stock form than the Duramax. Without the exhaust and intake I am sure that I would not have done as well as I did.


When I increased my Edge Attitude to level "3" I was able to outperform both vehicles by a good margin. The '04 HO Cummins pulled the hardest on top end and easily beat the Powerstroke 6.0.


I think that all of this will change soon since both of these guys are now looking to buy performance improvements for their trucks.


Great fun, life is good!

Doesn't the "0" setting augment the timing?


Adam

roughly 16 hp

roughly 16 hp





agreed..... i have seen anywhere from 12-18HP increase on a given truck/dyno