After reading and corresponding with George Morrison I resolved that someday I will buy BP Diesel Supreme, that day has come!


Metro Detroiters (and all others that come this way) B&P/Amoco at the corner of Inkster & Schoolcraft (Brand new station) has Diesel Supreme. Best part is, $1.65/gal.


I have running this stuff for my past 3 fill ups, and there is somewhat of a difference in the way my truck runs. It is just smoother (if that is possible), seems to have slightly better acceleration and my mileage is improving, I have gained 1 mpg over the last 3 fills.


Anyway, I just posted the info for anyone who may be interested.Edited by: Rookiew/Dmax

Sweet... That's basically on my way to work. Bonus.

Too far away for us country hicks... I have noticed a difference between filling up at the BP on Mound and 696 versus my normal spot in Hartland (Mobil on Clyde Rd.). The Mobil runs better for me and also has better fuel mileage. It could be due to stronger winter blend at the BP, but ??????????


Later, MN.

nassdmax,


Hello from the other side of Livingston.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif (Gregory/Unadilla area)Edited by: Rookiew/Dmax

I just starting using BP diesel supreme last night on a fill up... Will post again with results.


Dan

How can you tell if it is Supreme? The BP just south of I-69 (near Lapeer) on M-24 has diesel for $1.65, but I didn't see a Supreme label or anything.

So Rookview, do you work in the crack of michigan so you travel by the livonia area? Sure would be a long way for you to fill up on a regular basis. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


I am in the Brighton/Milfordhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif area travelling to Warrenhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif for work. Eventual plans are to wind up with a job at the MPG. Worked there before and got transferred to a different position and now am in Warren. I'm happy though... it's fulfilling work.


Instead of this BP super, I've been thinking of supplementing a bit of Bio in there...


Later, MN.

Michigana_Joe - Labeled right on the pump, I asked the clerk to be sure, he gave me a pamphlet that was identical to the postings on their site. I was suprised they had the info right there, must get some questions.


nassdmax - Work in Livonia, great drivehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Throw Up.gif I am sure M-14 is not as bad as 696 though.


MPG?Edited by: Rookiew/Dmax

Rookiew, How where you able to get in touch with George Morrison?


I have tried Email twice and I left him a voicemail on his business but no response..

MPG = GM's Milford Proving Ground

Metro Detroiters (and*all others that come this way) *B&P/Amoco at the corner of Inkster & Schoolcraft (Brand new station) has Diesel Supreme.* Best part is, $1.65/gal.


Cool http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif, I usually get by there a couple of times every week, & I've been wanting to try Diesel Supreme, so I'll have to stop by & check it out.
BP needs a website listing all their stations that sell Diesel Supreme.

Does Sunoco have good diesel, I could've sworn I read somewhere they usually have great quality diesel?

Hey fellow Michiganders..


I'm going to have to go check out the BP's here in Lansing. Thanks for the info RookieW!!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

We have a BP station locally that sells BP Supreme diesel, $1.60 gal. It's a fairly large station, but I have no idea how much diesel they sell.


Over on the interstate at the Love Travel Plaza, using my Good Sam card, I currently am paying $1.42. They sell a huge amount of fuel, big trucks, RVs, and pickups.


What is supposed to be so great about BP Supreme? Is it worth the difference? Does it do away with the need for additives? Or is it marketing BS?

Michigana_Joe, the Amoco/BP station in Imlay city sells BP Supreme. Thats where I buy from. Its right off the I-69 freeway(vandyke exit(M-53)), and its a high volume truck stop. So they always have fresh fuel. It does make a difference in fuel economy. On aveage 1 mile per gallon for me.

Michigana_Joe, the Amoco/BP station in Imlay city sells BP Supreme. Thats where I buy from. Its right off the I-69 freeway(vandyke exit(M-53)), and its a high volume truck stop. So they always have fresh fuel. It does make a difference in fuel economy. On aveage 1 mile per gallon for me.


Thanks -- I'll be filling up there tonight!

looks like there are a few of us in lapeer county...


edit: im in drydenEdited by: 95geo

What is supposed to be so great about BP Supreme? Is it worth the difference? Does it do away with the need for additives? Or is it marketing BS?





Read this link


http://www.bpdirect.com/bpguarantee/index.htmlEdited by: Rookiew/Dmax

And this one as well


http://www.bpdirect.com/products/index.html#p5

This BP Supreme fuel has me confused. This is from the site referenced above:


BP Diesel Supreme
BP Diesel Supreme is simply better from the start. That's because BP Diesel Supreme is formulated from straight-run refinery stocks. BP Diesel Supreme offers superior performance with a minimum 50 cetane number, reliable cold weather starts, and long-term storage stability without sludge formation.

Available at selected terminals in OH and KY. Available in Low Sulfur, Low Sulfur Dyed and High Sulfur.


I am in VA and the brand-new BP station has a diesel pump with a BP Supreme label on it. The cetane sticker on this pump is 40. Here is something else from the product information linked in the site above:
APPLICATION
BP Diesel Supreme is recommended for use in all off-road heavy duty vehicles, construction equipment, marine and stationary diesel engine applications requiring a No. 2 diesel fuel. Diesel Supreme is also recommended as a high quality home heating fuel.


THIS FUEL IS FOR OFF-ROAD


PURPOSES ONLY.


Is this an off road fuel only? What gives?


Kevin

Edited by: 2K2AD

......it's recommended for off road not "for off road purposes only".

Michigana_Joe, the Amoco/BP station in Imlay city sells BP Supreme. Thats where I buy from. Its right off the I-69 freeway(vandyke exit(M-53)), and its a high volume truck stop. So they always have fresh fuel. It does make a difference in fuel economy. On aveage 1 mile per gallon for me.


Well I gave it a shot, but negative on the BP Supreme. They have Amoco Premium, but no BP Supreme as far as I can tell.


Apparently they only sell Amoco fuels http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

I just filled tonight with BP and I noticed they are done with winter blend I'm more excited about that .... I make my own Hy-test and nothings getting by the Cat 2UM ....


Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

......it's recommended for off road not "for off road purposes only".





Look at the bottom left of the first page in the large, bold font of this link:


http://www.bpdirect.com/pdfs/BP_Diesel_Supreme.pdf


I was just wondering what/where this stuff really is.


Kevin

I'm with 2K2AD on this, the info says off road only. Plus Georgecis keeps referring to Ohio, and I'm down here in GA. So WTF?

I just filled tonight with BP and I noticed they are done with winter blend I'm more excited about that .... I make my own Hy-test and nothings getting by the Cat 2UM ....


Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif





Mackin: If you don't mind saying, which additive are you using?

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif Maybe BP website has an error. I dont think they would be selling offroad fuel at the pump the way they are.

BP Diesel Supreme
BP Diesel Supreme is simply better from the start. That's because BP Diesel Supreme is formulated from straight-run refinery stocks. BP Diesel Supreme offers superior performance with a minimum 50 cetane number, reliable cold weather starts, and long-term storage stability without sludge formation.

Available at selected terminals in OH and KY. Available in Low Sulfur, Low Sulfur Dyed and High Sulfur.
Product Info: BP Diesel Supreme.pdf (http://www.bpdirect.com/pdfs/BP_Diesel_Supreme.pdf)
APPLICATION
BP Diesel Supreme is recommended for use in all offroad
heavy duty vehicles, construction equipment, marine
and stationary diesel engine applications requiring a No. 2
diesel fuel. Diesel Supreme is also recommended as a
high quality home heating fuel.
crystallization, thus preventing filter plugging.
Higher Cetane Rating and Low Aromatics - Diesel
Supreme has a typical cetane number of 51-15% higher
than the average No. 2 diesel. Aromatic content is 30%






This is what is sold at the BP near me ...


Amoco Premier Diesel Fuel
Premier starts as a premium fuel right out of the refinery. There, our engineers select and blend premium quality base stocks, keeping Amoco Premier separate from other fuels every step of the process from the refinery to the tank. Then, to make it even better, we add our exclusive Guardian additive package. Furthermore, Amoco Premier LS meets or exceeds all of the Engine Manufacturers Association recommendations for diesel fuel that is "superior in quality." While most ordinary No.2 diesel fuels are typically blended to meet a cetane of 40 to 45, Amoco Premier provides a minimum 50 cetane number.

Available at selected terminals in IA, IL, IN, MI, and WI. Available in Low Sulfur, Low Sulfur Dyed and High Sulfur. In select terminals, Amoco Premier LS is available with a winterized additive for improved low-temperature performance.
Product Info: Amoco Premier Diesel Fuel LS.pdf (http://www.bpdirect.com/pdfs/Amoco_Premier_Diesel_Fuel_LS.pdf); Amoco Premier Diesel Fuel LS Winter.pdf (http://www.bpdirect.com/pdfs/Amoco_Premier_Diesel_Fuel_LS_Winter.pdf); Amoco Premier Diesel HS Off Road.pdf (http://www.bpdirect.com/pdfs/Amoco_Premier_Diesel_HS_Off_Road.pdf)






Mac

I just filled tonight with BP and I noticed they are done with winter blend I'm more excited about that .... I make my own Hy-test and nothings getting by the Cat 2UM ....


Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif





Mackin: If you don't mind saying, which additive are you using?





Don't mind ....


I was running FPPF ,now Primrose .... I mix 50/50 with a Straight Cetane booster ...


Mac

BP Premium, BP Supreme and Ammoco Premiere are the same

now you guys know about my secret "racing" diesel fuel http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

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Primrose has cetane booster in it .... I have a plentyfull amount of FPPF and Amsoil straight booster laying around ...


Mac

BP Diesel Supreme
BP Diesel Supreme is simply better from the start. That's because BP Diesel Supreme is formulated from straight-run refinery stocks. BP Diesel Supreme offers superior performance with a minimum 50 cetane number, reliable cold weather starts, and long-term storage stability without sludge formation.

Available at selected terminals in OH and KY. Available in Low Sulfur, Low Sulfur Dyed and High Sulfur.
Product Info: BP Diesel Supreme.pdf (http://www.bpdirect.com/pdfs/BP_Diesel_Supreme.pdf)
APPLICATION
BP Diesel Supreme is recommended for use in all offroad
heavy duty vehicles, construction equipment, marine
and stationary diesel engine applications requiring a No. 2
diesel fuel. Diesel Supreme is also recommended as a
high quality home heating fuel.
crystallization, thus preventing filter plugging.
Higher Cetane Rating and Low Aromatics - Diesel
Supreme has a typical cetane number of 51-15% higher
than the average No. 2 diesel. Aromatic content is 30%






This is what is sold at the BP near me ...


Amoco Premier Diesel Fuel
Premier starts as a premium fuel right out of the refinery. There, our engineers select and blend premium quality base stocks, keeping Amoco Premier separate from other fuels every step of the process from the refinery to the tank. Then, to make it even better, we add our exclusive Guardian additive package. Furthermore, Amoco Premier LS meets or exceeds all of the Engine Manufacturers Association recommendations for diesel fuel that is "superior in quality." While most ordinary No.2 diesel fuels are typically blended to meet a cetane of 40 to 45, Amoco Premier provides a minimum 50 cetane number.

Available at selected terminals in IA, IL, IN, MI, and WI. Available in Low Sulfur, Low Sulfur Dyed and High Sulfur. In select terminals, Amoco Premier LS is available with a winterized additive for improved low-temperature performance.
Product Info: Amoco Premier Diesel Fuel LS.pdf (http://www.bpdirect.com/pdfs/Amoco_Premier_Diesel_Fuel_LS.pdf); Amoco Premier Diesel Fuel LS Winter.pdf (http://www.bpdirect.com/pdfs/Amoco_Premier_Diesel_Fuel_LS_Winter.pdf); Amoco Premier Diesel HS Off Road.pdf (http://www.bpdirect.com/pdfs/Amoco_Premier_Diesel_HS_Off_Road.pdf)






Mac





I read the same stuff. The BP near my house in VA Beach says BP Supreme on the diesel pump and also has a sticker on it indicating a minimum of 40 cetane. Here is the confusion:


- BP Supreme is not sold in VA (according to the website)


- If it were, it would be for off-road use only (according to the website)


- The label that says BP Diesel Supreme at the station down the street cannot be right (according to the website)


- If it is indeed the good stuff, why wouldn't they put a 50 cetane sticker for advertisement (according to the website)


It has been said by others that BP has been elusive and/or not very helpful about the availability of this fuel. It would seem that many pull the specs from the website to use as a justification while ignoring the glaring errors/omissions. How can someone recommend a purchase based on information that is contradicted in the very document they are using to justify the purchase?


Not to take anything away from the well-respected George, but without his endorseme

I have to agree with Kevin. Nothing I have read on the links provided indicates a universally available, highway legal, BP Supreme. The language in the descriptions on the links is ambiguous, and goes in circles. Pumps that are posted for 40 cetane and web sites saying 50 cetane? Gimme a break!!!!!!


Perhaps I'm missing something, and I'm trying to keep an open mind on this issue, as I do want to do everything possible to make this truck last the rest of my driving days.


So if someone can provide a link to info that clarifies this, I'll surely read it.


But in the meantime, I think I'll continue buying my fuel at Love Travel Stop. It's always fresh fuel as they stay VERY BUSY and the price is now down to $1.40. Filter it well and add a good additive and how can you go wrong?

I have E-mailed BP, asking several of the questions brought up here. (Availability, true Cetane number and off-road/on-road use) I will post the reply as soon as I get it.

I've been running diesel from All Auto Service, an station my neighbor owns at I-496 and Pennsylvania Ave in Lansing. He claims its top notch stuff. He obviously uses it in his wrecker and also in his motorhome. They used to call it Amoco Premier Diesel. Sometime last year their station converted from Amoco to BP. I haven't paid any attention to what it says on the pump in terms of BP Supreme or anything else. I'll bet Tomac is right - Amoco Premier and BP Supreme are probably one in the same.


I also occasionally run Sunoco from the I-96/M-99 truck stop and also Mobil from the Mobil Express in Eaton Rapids. I don't see any big difference in fuel mileage, but then again, I don't track it that close either.

Michigana_Joe, I believe the Amoco premium is the same as BP Supreme since both companies have merged now. I could be wrong, but I honestly believe they are the same. Even if its not, its still better that regular diesel for me. Like I said it regularly adds 1 mile per gallon to my truck when driving as opposed to regular diesel. I've got reciepts to prove it!





Edit: By the way I lived in Dryden (with my folks). Just recently moved in with my fiance at 20 mile rd and Ryan. Getting married august 27th!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif I miss home, my parents have 100 acres therehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif. I had ALOT more freedoms there. City life sucks! Mark my words though, in 2 years I will be back in the countryhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif.Edited by: 338_

Michigana_Joe, I believe the Amoco premium is the same as BP Supreme since both companies have merged now. I could be wrong, but I honestly believe they are the same. Even if its not, its still better that regular diesel for me. Like I said it regularly adds 1 mile per gallon to my truck when driving as opposed to regular diesel. I've got reciepts to prove it!





Edit: By the way I lived in Dryden (with my folks). Just recently moved in with my fiance at 20 mile rd and Ryan. Getting married august 27th!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif I miss home, my parents have 100 acres therehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif. I had ALOT more freedoms there. City life sucks! Mark my words though, in 2 years I will be back in the countryhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif.





BP or Amoco -- my truck seems to like it, whatever it is http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif


Dryden is nice. I once had a place there off of Lake George road, north of Dryden Rd. Moved away for few years, but moved back and even further north this time. If I move again I'll be smart enough to keep most of the land this time...

<DIV>Finally heard back from BP, here is what I emailed and the response:</DIV>
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<DIV>I am contacting you regarding an on going debate about BP Diesel Supreme. This debate is taking place on a very popular online forum called dieselplace.com. </DIV>
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<DIV>There is a great deal of confusion surrounding the availability of BP Diesel supreme, its quality and use. Please address the following questions:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>1. According to your website BP Diesel supreme is only available at "select terminals in OH and KY" yet people from MI, VA &amp; GA are reporting it posted on pumps at their local stations. Is the availability of BP Diesel Supreme more widespread than your website states?</DIV>
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<DIV>2. BP Diesel supreme is supposed to have a guaranteed minimum Cetane number of 50. A BP station in VA is posting a Cetane number of 40 on a BP Diesel Supreme pump. What is the true guaranteed minimum Cetane number of BP Diesel Supreme?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>3. The BP website clearly states that BP Diesel Supreme is intended for "Off Road Use" only, yet this fuel, according to the pumps, is readily available at retail stations in various non-agricultural communities. What is the intended use for BP Diesel Supreme?</DIV>
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<DIV>4. Is every BP diesel fuel labeled BP Diesel Supreme at retail pump locations?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Your response will be posted to an online diesel community.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thank you very much for your time.</DIV>
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<DIV>Response: </DIV>
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<DIV>May I address your questions?</DIV>
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<DIV>1. Diesel Supreme in NOT available in MI, VA, or GA, nor is it available anywhere outside OH except for bordering areas of WV and KY. Any service station outside the supplied areas that is displaying a Diesel Supreme label is incorrectly labeled. It would be appreciated if any customer finding such a station would notify us so we can rectify the situation. (Another, different product with a 50 cetane number minimum spec, Amoco Premeir Diesel fuel, is available in MI, IN, IL, IA, WI, and MO.)</DIV>
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<DIV>2. BP Supreme has a guaranteed minimum cetane number of 50. The station in VA CANNOT be selling Diesel Supreme. The 40 minimum cetane number posting is correct.</DIV>
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<DIV>3. Diesel Supreme is available in both sulfur grades, i.e. Diesel Supreme (for off-road) and On-Road Diesel Supreme. Diesel Supreme at a ser

Looks like Amoco premier is what i've been usinghttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif. Good to know its 50+ cetane ratinghttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif. Explains why fuel economy is better. Thanks for finding out for us.

Well Mike sorry to hear about your racing fuel secret getting out.


Looks like there are a bunch of fast Dmaxs in Detroit now.


BP supreme is good for what 2-2.5 seconds in the 1/4 http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


When we run the BP in our farm tractors, like the Case 7120 goes from 160s pto HP to 225 pto HP on the dyno.

Rookie,


Thanks for the research. Here is a pic from the brand new BP station at the corner of Holland and Dam Neck Road in VA Beach, VA taken on 4/7/04. Maybe you could drop your guy a note.


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/B12_untitled.jpg


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/A87_BP_DS1.jpg


KevinEdited by: GMC-2002-Dmax

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Michael R. Winward
BP Amoco
Global Fuels Technology
Quality &amp; Technical Service
( Phone: 630-420-5643
Ê Fax: 630-420-4832
* e-mail: winwarmr@bp.com
( Phone: 800-841-5255 - Technical Service Hotline


Guess this info should have been in the previous post.

Hey 338 were neighbors ! I'm at 26 &amp; Dequindre http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif We are seeing a lot of the new BP stations but I have not tried their fuel yet. I will in the future.

Hey 338 were neighbors ! I'm at 26 &amp; Dequindre http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif We are seeing a lot of the new BP stations but I have not tried their fuel yet. I will in the future.





Your right around the corner...I'm over in Davis (27 mile) and travels take me thru Dryden up to 69 frequently..





I guess there are a few Dmaxs around these parts.





Ohh...I get most of my fuel at Mobil (26 &amp; RP) or Sunoco (23 &amp; 94)...not fuel probs to date.Edited by: Mic_

I buy a lot at the same mobil station. It is usually right around six cents less than the meijers at 26 &amp; 53. The Sunoco station you listed is one of my favorites. My wifes office is in New Baltimore so I go that way often. Last summer they were 25-35 cents a gallon less all summer http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif The best fuel I buy any place is a station in Gaylord right across from Jays sporting goods. They offer regular and premium Diesel. Premium is a penny more and I always, ALWAYS get 1-1.5 MPG more with their fuel. I am there at least every other week. There is a BP now on the other side of the 94 and 23 overpass right across from speedway. Right now the bridge is a mess though. I dont know if any of you guys got the XM radio with your MAX buut the new traffic channel for Detroit ( 216 ) is killer.

BlueMaxxxx





That 'new' BP is it a new building or the old Marrathaon service station that used to be accross from Speedway?


No XM here, best I got is 950am.





But that Sunoco IS my fav as well. His prices are always less...


And your sure to run into a few others while fueling