I am going to be getting a new truck in alittle while and that's why I joined this forum. I have kind of been thinking of a Diesel. I am a True Chevy man so it would definetely be a Duramax but heres where I am not certain. One of my friends(He has a Powerstroke) has been telling me I should not get a 3/4 ton or a diesel. He says I have no use for one, I pull a trailer every once and a while, I haul my 700+lb Grizzly around all the time to go riding. I told him that if I had I 3/4 ton with a Durmax I would have more uses for it. My truck now is a 96 Z71 ext cab with 4" lift 33" tires, dual exhaust. My fourwheeler makes that truck squat like it has 2 yards of dirt in it. Tell me many reasons that I could tell his jealous head that I could use a Duramax. I know alot of people that have Diesels and don't pull trailers everyday or drive 100 miles a day.

People often think that they need to be pulling something or driving x amount of miles per year to justify the cost of a diesel. What you have to remember is that the resale value on a diesel will be quite a bit higher then a gasser. This narrows the gap quite a bit. For example if it costs you and extra $6000 upfront over a similarily equiped gas truck but you sell if for $5000 more then a gas truck would be worth. So in the end you get to drive the truck of your dreams and meanwhile you had all the power you could ever want, excellent fuel economy etc.


I say go for it! Edited by: Max Power

Get a DMax, You wount regret it!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


I had the same problem as you, except I wanted the diesel but didn't need it. I bought mine primarily for having something to haul my stuff (including a 4wheeler which is now gone because it was stolen) and for drag racing!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gifThe power potential of the engine is incredible, +100hp/200+ lbs of torque easily with a small box.


The first reason everyone will tell you is that the diesel will get you much better MPG and the fuel is typically cheaper than gas but not always.


The ride of the 3/4 ton IMO is no different than a half ton and if lifting is your thing, you would really appreciate the extra (tons) of torque vs. a boring gas engine!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif you will be able to run a larger tire without changing you gears. i'll let the other here give you about a million more reasons to get a DMAX. Personally I think these duramax guys are biased but you never knowhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


Jason

I am the same way as you Forced Induction. I don't really need the Duramax but it is nice to have when I would. When I get it I will probably love it and find more reasons for having one other than kickin my nighbors Cummins butt and hauling my Grizzly. Sorry to hear about your stolen foruwheeler, my friend got his 440ex stolen in september. Now he has the new 450r. I also can't wait for the fact like you and everybody else says, you cant power up a gasser as easy and cheap as a diesel. 100+ hp and 200+ tq for way less than a gasser can.

I too bought the Duramax & i never tow or haul anything heavy whatsoever. The 3/4 ton rides rough compared to a 1/2 ton i have driven both recently. Iam in the process of maybe trading in my DMax for the new 1500LD Crewcab but they are only giving me 28K on trade,iam still trying to squeeze every penny out of them as possible. Iam not happy about that cause i know there going to turn around & sell it for at least 31K i imagine. The decision is up to you on whether you go with a gas engine or diesel. If i had to do it all over again i would go with the gas engine to save the money. Resale value isnt that great like i thought it would be....

I think your buddy and neighbor are just jealous that your going to get a truck that will kick their trucks' a##es, and that's before you add any goodieshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif

I have a grizzly just took it to Yamaha for the recall the 4wheeler didn't even phase my gmc hd,cc,4x4,sb, lly, duramax one other thing it gets 5 miles per gallon better than my 99 2wd silverado 3/4 ton 6.0 so far with only 1700 miles

How long are you going to keep the truck? Depending on gas vs diesel prices where you are the diesel will pay for itself in 40 to 50K. Everything after that is like money in your pocket PLUS the added resale value. Even if you just break even it's worth it. Much better to have a 3/4 ton that's needed only once a year than to destroy a half ton once a year!!

Yep, just for the recovery of alot of the initial cost at resale time and the fact that Diesel is .20 cents/gal. cheaper AND you get better mileage with Great power and longer life, you can justify the diesel.


Someone said a diesel is pay now where a gasser is pay over the longhaul. I say pay now and ENJOY the long haul! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


Plus, everytime you tow with a gasser, the mileage issue starts blooming...

... One of my friends(He has a Powerstroke) has been telling me I should not get a 3/4 ton or a diesel. He says I have no use for one, ...


I think your friend dosen't want you to have a quicker, nicer looking, more powerful, more economical.... truck than he's got. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif


Get the diesel, We only put on 10K per year and pull a 5,000 lb. trailer in the summer. A half ton would do that. I wanted a heavy duty truck so I bought the best one. Now I have to drive the F250 superduty gasser, the company gives me while the wife gets to drive the Dmax. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif

The number one reason for buying a diesel is because you want one. All other reasons are justification for reason number one. If you don't like the noise and smell then you should stay with a gasser. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Get the DMAX-----Life is to short to have "gas" on a daily basis--------Phil

I too, only tow a 6,000 lb trailer about 10 times a year. My last truck was an 88 GMC. I kept it 15 years, 267k miles. Had to re motor at 187k miles. Put 4 trannys in it (70R4) Got 11 to 12 mpg.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


Will keep this Dmax 15 years, will not have to remotor at 187k, will not need 4 trannys, will pay a lot less for fuel, will get 18 mpg average, will be a much happier person too!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


NADA Blue Book lists the Duramax option as a $9,000.00 Retail increase over the Gas Motor.


Bottom line, I wanted the BEST, I bought the BEST, I now DRIVE THE BEST!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


In 5 1/2 years, it will be all mine! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif


Did I NEED this truck? No. Did I WANT this truck? YES!!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

Having too much truck is like having too much runway. It's an oxymoron

I got my truck because it's everything in one package...

Crew Cab 4x4 = SUV
Bed = Pickup Truck
9200 GVW allows any extras plus no chance of overloading.
Diesel = 17-20 mpg and typically lower per gal fuel costs.

Not to mention the coolness facter.Edited by: hoot

I'd have to agree with everyone but fishingn, sorry bud, but you are killing me with your gasser talk... I'm in the same boat as most everyone here... I wanted the Duramax and Allison transmission... did I need it? Hell no, but I wanted it... and you won't be happy unless you have what you want.


Dan

Grizzly,


You haven't been in the Duramax/Allison yet have you?? That's probably why you haven't made your decision yet... after your first test drive, it's a pretty easy decision... anybody here agree?


Dan

StraitDiesel, I agree with you. The test drive did it for me! I test drove my truck in the evening, and by 12 noon the next day the truck was in my driveway(mine)http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif. I previously drove/owned a 1999 crew cab dually (454). What a gas hog compared to my fuel burning D-max! I averaged 7.5mpg when towing my enclosed race trailer with the 454. I don't know what i'll get with the diesel since race season isn't here yet. But i'm sure it will be way better than 7.5mpg avearge. I will miss the dual rear wheels for towing thoughhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif. I recently moved away from home and just don't have room for the duallyhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif. Mark my words though, it won't be that way for longhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif.


fishingn, dealer lots are flooded with truck trade-ins right now. Thats probally why the stealer is low balling you on your trade-in. Try selling your truck on your own. This is the only bad part about good incentives on new vehicles. It causes low offers for our used vehicles from stealers.

I have a little experience with owning diesels and buying a selling them, having purchased my first diesel pickup in 1982 with the first 6.2's and owning over 20 6.2, 6.5 Turbo, D/A since. I have had many Banks Turbo 6.2's, a Pensinsular 300HP 6.5 Turbo, and lots of gear vendor units behind them as well as a dual Gear Vendor unit. In 85, I had Cummins Las Vegas put a 6BTA in a 84 4X4 CC with a Banks 6.2 Turbo because I wanted more power to haul my 43' Enclosed car hauler coast to coast and up and down the Sierras and Grapevine. That vehicle alone has gone over 500,000 miles without a engine problem. In over 2,000,000 miles of diesel ownership, I have NEVER had a engine failure other than the dreaded 6.2/6.5 injection pump, the early 6.2's being the wearing out of an internal sleeve at about 40,000 miles or less (solved by GM by 1984 or 5) and the terrible 6.5 electronic pumps in 1994 & 95 (GM warranteed 6 of them for me). My 93 4X4 CC (mechanical injection pump - only year of the 6.5 Turbo) with the Pensinsular 300 HP is still going very strong after well over 200,000 miles - only reason I ever sold it was getting a D/A. I now have 65,000 miles (including 35,000 plus of hard use in Mexico and Central America) on the 02 D/A 4X4 CC without any engine or transmission problems or breakdowns - hasn't had to go to the dealer for any problem. It has had 3 windshields, 6 sets of tires, 3 sets of wheels, 3 canopies, 2 winches, 3 sets of seat covers, and had its oil changed every 3,000 miles and fuel filter changed every 6,000 miles, external tranny filter changed every 12,000 miles, transynd changed twice, and washed when you can no longer tell it is red. A couple of times in the past 30 years I have built a gas rig with a exceptional motor for my use, but always sold it after one trip and gone back to diesel. For me, a diesel (especially the D/A) runs better, runs longer, runs cheaper, has more versatile power and torque, works better and smoother off road (torque at low rpm), and brings me far more $ on resale. Where I take my vehicles, I NEVER want to break down - could be a 400 mile walk to the nearest telephone or dealer. I always have someone in the wings to buy my used trucks - 2 now want my D/A when I buy a new one - doubt if I will if it stays trouble free. What gas rig will tow 33,000 GVCW and get 11 mpg; tow 20,000 GVCW and get 13.5 mpg; and still get 17 to 19 mpg hwy when driven under 70 mph. Do I need a diesel? Need has nothing to do with it! I WORKS for me! May or may not work for you!

I bought it for the chicks............

ALL my EX's live in Texas........

Now do we like blonds or brunettes?



http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/9E4_0008.jpgEdited by: problemchild

I got mine because of my father-in-law. He put me on a DMAX mailing list. We both got one the same week without knowing the other was doing it. I also had an extended cab 1/2 ton with 2 kids. The kids were kicking me in the back and that really bugs me. At the time, the only 1/2 ton crew was the furd. It doesn't have a full size bed and I need that for haul expensive plywoods with no damage. I have never loaded more than a 1/2 ton could handle, but with the 1/2, I'd have known it was there with out a doubt. Now, some cool things that I didn't know till later. You can smoke that idiot next to you, literally. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif You can get tons of horsepower and torque for way cheaper than a gasser. You can get much better mileage whether loaded or not with a diesel. You ever see a 4" pipe coming out of a gasser? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif I also plan on driving this truck for a very long time. Over 100k, gassers make me nervous. I have gone all the way to 150k, but the comfort wasn't there. My father-in-law still has his 82 6.2 with 340K on it and it cranks every time. He also has an 02 that you could pry away from him.


I justified the 3/4 ton because of the pevious issues I had with the butt saging on my 1/2 ton. I justified the diesel by better economy and longevity. I did the calculations and in one more year, it has paid for itself right there. We use it for all trips, whether its the grocery store or the coast. If GM would just dump a DMAX in a Sub, then I'd have 2.

Because REAL MEN drive diesels.

I have a D/A 2500HD CC SB 4x4 and I pull a 18 foot pontoon to the lake and ocassionally an 18' car trailer (2000#+ load???). Had a 98 GMC 2500 4x4 w/350 vortec. Pulling in a hard wind would work the guts out of it and milage would drop to single digits. It pulled it but I don't believe it wanted to. The D/A doesn't even know it's back there so now we can go to any lake we want to where ever we want to with out worrying about it. The noise is very little and smell is not that bad unless you leave it set in the garage running. I love it and gas is a thing of the past. I'll leave it for my wife's caddy. Buy the diesel and don't look back. You'll love the security you feel when driving it.http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big%20Smile.gif

Problem Child


That's the best and most accurate post I have ever seen from youhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif.

I got mine because given the difference in my fuel costs, I could step into it for the same as I was paying (loan + fuel) on my Y2K 1500 series and I was able to get one for a good price so all the math was adding up which was necessary for the WAF.


Now I'm not sure I'd want to give up my commute!


Just hit a deer last weekend. I've been jarred worse going over railway tracks.


Of course we all feel the rest of the world should wake up to our enlightend perspective but it's hard not to be enthusiastic!


I hope to have a 5er for mine some day but so far, just a big, well lit, sweet sounding, fast commuter vehicle during the week and kid hauler, yard duty, secure vaction vehicle during w/e's and holidays.

You really have to give one a real test drive. You might decide that a diesel is not for you but I would sure be surprised.
I bought a used low mileage '02 2500 because I am both too poor and too cheap to pay what they want for a new one. I have to strongly dissagree with fishingn about resale values. I shopped around looking for a good deal for several months and found that similarly equipped gas vs. diesel prices were not even close. The diesels are significantly higher....meaning that they hold their value better and this applies to all manufacturers.
I get almost the same mileage with the duramax as I did with a S-15 4.3 v6 gas and of course I can now tow a small house if needed. Edited by: sparkyp

Is this guy your wife and if the answer is NO then who cares what his opinion is.Buy what you want even if all you'll ever do with it is polish it daily.....and admire the beauty.Awesome rig...Guess I am old school and think piss on what others think.BUY THE TRUCK THE D/A YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO





TOMSLICK24

Tell me many reasons that I could tell his jealous head that I could use a Duramax.





Sounds as if you guys are should we say something more? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Dead.gif


Dude nut up, buy what you want.

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reason to buy a diesel...... ever see a gasser dooley pulling 10k smoke em off a light??? I never have but he saw my dmax do it! its made to haul a$$ weather it be a trailer load of em, or down the 1/4 mile its just one bad a$$ drivetrain

Besides if you live near this location which I believe you do you can be real cool and buy B2 biodiesel.


http://sunrisecoop.com/index.cfm?show=10&amp;mid=17


The fuel station is located on the corner of Old State Road and Cleveland Road(old Rt 20) we offer Premium on-road Diesel, 87 octane no-lead and 90 octane gasohol. Our C-store has a wide varity of products including Blimpie subs and Salubre pizza's with in-store dinning.

Edited by: EngineerBill

Having too much truck is like having too much runway. It's an oxymoron


What he said.


I am looking to get an '04 2500HD LT CC D/A in the next week, becaus I want a truck that I can afford to drive. I don't need the power of the DMax (Yet), but would rather have more truck than I need, than not have enough and need to get another.

I know where it is my friend drives fuel truck for them. You live in BG Engineer Bill?

That is a good way of looking at it Cougar 281. That's what I have thought too

Bought my 2004 D/A so I can respond in case I ever develop a sudden penchant to pull the house off the foundation. Learned it as a boy scout. Be Prepared.

Z71 Grizzly


Yes 4 miles NE of of the University, and I do come to the City of Blossoms quite often.


Engr. Bill

Oh I live in Monroeville.

As a friend of mine once said "Need, want, What's the difference?" http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

Did not have a need I just wanted the truck. The ride is great and the power is well what can I say. We use it as an everyday vehicle. You will not regret the Dmax.

I've needed a heavy duty truck only to go hunting. 6-7 times a year. Had the 8.1L HD and with all the incentives and higher resale I decided I'd give the DMax a try. Not going back! I wish I would have bought it a long time ago. I only pull a 4K tailer (today it's forsale see 4sale forum) but having the big HD and now a diesel I'm able to safely tow a larger trailer. Makes my home away from home much better. Also knowing I have a truck I'm not taxing to tow the trailer is great. Use to tow that Toy hauler with a half ton but once I'd get to camp and my friends got the pry bars out to get my grip off the steering wheel I'd still feel exhausted from the jaunt. Now I show up to camp with no pressure of, what if I can't climb that hill, sorry to hold up traffic while I pull my trailer at 55 cuz that's all my 350 can do... now it's see ya and I feel much better when I get there.


again unless something tragic forces me to going back to a small truck I'll stick with my D/A as long as I can.


cmc

For me pulling a trailer used to be like work, now I look forward to it.