I have registered to try to get a class action lawsuit started against GM for these fuel injector/pump problems. More complaints are needed to get it started. If interested, register at bigclassaction.com. Thanks

Man you have got to be kidding me. Everyone is so ******ing sue happy. Everyone is out to make that dollar without having to work for it. There are two things that piss me off more than anything in the world, illegal immigrants who want medical care and to have babies so they can stay here and STUPID MORONIC people who will sue of anything. Grow up and get a life.


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http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gifGo over to the gm-diesel webpage and get together with those folks that want to help line the lawyers pockets as that is all they are good for. Class action lawsuits just make these trucks more expensive in the long run and won't help $hit. Do you really think ALL of the tens of thousands of DMAX owners post on these pages?? People only post when they have a problem. Do you think because 30 or 40 or whatever people post they have or had injector problems mean it is that way for the rest of us?? All we have is speculation from some people that this is a problem, but we never seem to be able to get the full story.


What is next, a class action lawsuit for the wimpy tie rods??? That seems to be more of a safety issue then the injectors...How 'bout a class action lawsuit against Uni for the "holes" people have found in them...what not every has the problem with tie rods and Uni's?? Well not everyone has problems with the injectors. I am sure I will get flamed, but this is getting out of control. A law had to be passed so people couldn't sue the fast food industry for the fat kids. I agree with GMC, people are getting WAY to sue happy. I'm stepping off my soap box now... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif


Bob

Man you have got to be kidding me. Everyone is so ******ing sue happy. Everyone is out to make that dollar without having to work for it. There are two things that piss me off more than anything in the world, illegal immigrants who want medical care and to have babies so they can stay here and STUPID MORONIC people who will sue of anything. Grow up and get a life.


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What he said.


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http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gifGo over to the gm-diesel webpage and get together with those folks that want to help line the lawyers pockets as that is all they are good for. Class action lawsuits just make these trucks more expensive in the long run and won't help $hit. Do you really think ALL of the tens of thousands of DMAX owners post on these pages?? People only post when they have a problem. Do you think because 30 or 40 or whatever people post they have or had injector problems mean it is that way for the rest of us?? All we have is speculation from some people that this is a problem, but we never seem to be able to get the full story.


What is next, a class action lawsuit for the wimpy tie rods??? That seems to be more of a safety issue then the injectors...How 'bout a class action lawsuit against Uni for the "holes" people have found in them...what not every has the problem with tie rods and Uni's?? Well not everyone has problems with the injectors. I am sure I will get flamed, but this is getting out of control. A law had to be passed so people couldn't sue the fast food industry for the fat kids. I agree with GMC, people are getting WAY to sue happy. I'm stepping off my soap box now... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif


Bob





Well said. I agree 100%

Nothing like pissin' off the people you are gonna need help from. Many of the problems actually stem from dealers that don't know squat about our trucks. I'm not defending GM, (don't even get me started on mirrors), but frivolous lawsuits only cost us more in the long run, i.e. look at the medical profession...Doctors can't practice because malpractice Ins. cost so much. I agree, the injectors are a concern for me too(I have an '01), but I don't want to give a billion dollars to some lawyer and then still have injector problems. No thanks. I think your intentions are good, but a bit misguided.


JP

The only ones who benefit from "class action lawsuits" are the Lawyers, you may get a couple dollars in 5 or 10 years, after its all over, if (and thats a BIG if) your lucky. I was involved in a class action law suit at one time I received $10.00 from a millions of dollar suit. The firm that handled the suit received a few million.... Who won that one?? The poor people didn't.

My experience is that there are only three reasons that any carmaker will extend the warranty on something past the normal amount for all drivers. (or do a recall).


1. The EPA makes them do it (emissions issue).


2. The NHTSA makes them do it (safety issue). (for example, snapping tailgate cable investigation just initiated).


3. Threat of a class action lawsuit.


My wife's Ford Windstart blew a head gasket at 89,950 miles; Luckily I had received a letter from Ford saying that they had extended the warranty to 90k miles the day before it went; I looked around the web and found an article on the web - they responded because they were threatened with a class action lawsuit.


If you want to get GM to do something about the injectors - i.e. extend the warranty period to 200k miles for everyone; Then you have to pursue either #1 or #3. They ain't gonna do it out of the goodness of their hearts...


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I've got a solution to lawsuits. Shoot every third lawyer that graduates from law school. That might slow down the number of people entering law school. We have so many lawyers out there that need to work that we constantly have the goofy lawsuits over the silliest things. Bottom line is few other thant the lawyers make any money and in the long run they cost us all.

In theory, the lawsuit idea is great. In reality, it sucks.


If the lawsuit forced GM to provide FREE injectors and labor for the life of the vehicle or something like that, it would be great. However, the end result would probably be something similar to the last one that I was automatically a part of.


I had a Mercedes ML430. The end result was a $30 coupon towards your next service. That's less than 10% off my next small service interval !!! I ended up not even using the certificate since I sold the vehicle (too many problems).

Actually there aren't alot of jobs in law these days. And if you do land one many don't pay very well. A friend graduated with a law degree about 10 years ago and is going back to school.

I haven't had any injector problems but if or when I do the LAST thing I will do is call a lawyer!! Jack, just sell your truck and buy a D, F or T and move on with your life.

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http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Throw Up.gifon frivilous lawsuits, (Ouch, I spilled my coffee, know any good lawyers).

I retact my first statement!!! After reading Jacks problems, he has a gripe, but I do not think Class Action is the answer. He needs a good Lawyer, not an Ambulance Chaser!!!!!!



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My stock fuel system works fine. Go start rumors and trouble someplace else.

I was bored and decided to checkout this class action site. There are two Pending class action lawsuits against GM for piston slap. One is in the amount of 1 BILLION dollars. You have got to be kidding me right?? And the lawyers get how much of this if sucessful?? How will this help again???
sheeezzzzz.

I was bored and decided to checkout this class action site. There are two Pending class action lawsuits against GM for piston slap. One is in the amount of 1 BILLION dollars. You have got to be kidding me right?? And the lawyers get how much of this if sucessful?? How will this help again???
sheeezzzzz.





The lawyers will get half and 1 milliion people will get $5.00

I was bored and decided to checkout this class action site.* There are two Pending class action lawsuits against GM for piston slap.* One is in the amount of 1 BILLION dollars.* You have got to be kidding me right??* And the lawyers get*how much of this if sucessful??* How will this help again???
sheeezzzzz.





The lawyers will get half and 1*milliion people will get $5.00

Who gets the other 495 million?

I have registered to try to get a class action lawsuit started against GM for these fuel injector/pump problems. More complaints are needed to get it started. If interested, register at bigclassaction.com. Thanks


If you don't like the truck, sell it and buy a Ford or a Dodge.

I GUESS JACK AND JILL REALLY DID FALL DOWN THE HILL AND JACK'S GOT BRAIN DAMAGE......... Edited by: rickles04

I was bored and decided to checkout this class action site. There are two Pending class action lawsuits against GM for piston slap. One is in the amount of 1 BILLION dollars. You have got to be kidding me right?? And the lawyers get how much of this if sucessful?? How will this help again???
sheeezzzzz.





Piston Slap? Someone go tell PC about that one... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

Man you guys are a rough crowd, but I do have to agree we have way to many lawsuits in this country.


The end results from a lawsuit like this is just higher car and truck prices for all of us.


And I don't know about any of you guys, but for me the prices are way to high now!


I guess the old nursery rhyme of: Jack sitting on a candle stick fits here. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

I GUESS JACK AND JILL REALLY DID FALL DOWN THE HILL AND JACK'S GOT BRAIN DAMMAGE.........


Hey Einstein, damage has only one 'm.'

THANKS RAY YA FREAKIN SMARTASS

Someone throw some Raw meat out there!


The wolves are hungry! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


Yep, Lawsuit doesn't do much IMHO.


Just because I owned a 1973 C20 HD, I got a $1500.00 cert toward a new vehicle.


Then low and behold, the test was rigged. Hmm, imagine that...


To tell you the truth, I've seen some crappy vehicles on the road. The only one that needs sued is the bonehead that let those rolling death traps stay on the road.


I'm a pretty easy going guy when it comes to cars, but, When the darn thing looks like it's going to take off from all the sheet metal flapping, that's not a manufacturer defect. That's an owner defect. For God's sake, do some PM's for crying out load.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif


OK, OK, I've hogged the soap box long enough... Sorry.


Back on topic, No thank you. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

Lets sue the lawyers for wrecking our country.

Hey JACK where did you go?





Maybe he is a lawyer!

If you guys are done flaming Jack, maybe you could take a look at some of his other posts to see where he is coming from. He just spend $3k on his truck on fuel related problems. How many of you have spent that kind of money repairing yours? I doubt too many of you have.


I don't promote suits any more than the rest of you, but Jack is not forcing this on any of you. His post was simply a friendly statement that mentioned any could join in if interested. Jack is entitled to his opinion just the same as the rest of us.

I saw this post over on the other site and I can tell you I was more than p*ssed about it to say the least. I've got a 1995 K2500 with the NV 4500. The tranny gave up the ghost at 90k, hence the reason I'm getting a MAX/ALLISON. I changed th oil in it at 25k intervals to the tune of $85 a pop, I'm peeved about it, but not enough to sue! Care to file one because the tranny gave up? Go buy a Drudge or Ferd!


ROB

wow, tough crowd. I dont think the lawsuit is gonna do anything for it, but I agree with Roegs, he is likely just frustrated

I am right here children. Some of us have jobs and a life outside this forum. I thought this was a place to put out comments and get feedback. I guess you all like opinions as long as they are the same as yours.


Let me tell the story. 26k miles on my truck. Fuel inj. pump goes out, they blame it on water in the fuel. What happened to the fuel/water separator and the fuel in water light? Don't feel bad if you can't answer this because GM can't either. I buy a $40k truck and a little water, which by the way is inevitable, costs me $3200 and 3 weeks in the shop. Tell me GM doesn't have an engineer who can design a fuel water separator that works. I haven't read GM's full warranty, but I bet it doesn't say "unless you get water in the fuel". Why don't they put that on the window sticker and see how many they sell.


I just got a check a few weeks ago for 13 cents from a lawsuit I didn't even know I was a part of. I know everything you said about lawsuits and lawyers and I agree. But what are we supposed to do- just keep bending over and taking it. We are lining the few GM executives pockets now. I don't want this lawsuit to happen. I want to wake up GM and make them fix the problem. Seems like a pretty simple fix to me. I have been trying to get them to go to arbitration with me so that we can discuss the problem. They can't or won't answer me, in the phone calls I've had with them, why the filter doesn't catch the water and make the light come on. I build big diesels- Cat, Cummins and detroit. I get water out of filters and fuel tanks all the time. But it doesn't take out the pumps or injectors. I like my truck alot- you can't beat the power and the bad a** transmission, but I could get water in my fuel tomorrow and be out another $3200. Not- I would have fixed it myself this time except the dealer had it all apart before they told me GM wasn't going to fix it.


I'm glad alot of you are having good luck- go pour a little water in your fuel tank and see what happens. Sorry this went so long, but some of you children really pissed me off. I would love to respond to a bunch of you idiots personally, like gmc2500hd, but would rather not lower myself to their level.

jack, you mentioned that GM had it all apart before they told you anything? I guess at that point your kinda stuck, but they cant stick you with the repair bill as you didnt agree to an estimate. I am curious as to what they are using as evidence of water in the fuel....I would not back down on this one.. if nothing else, contact your insurance company, they may be able to do something to assist

Thanks Roegs. And for Davesdmax- I changed my fuel filter in December and again in January trying to fix the problem with it surging at idle- GM couldn't tell me why it was doing this either. NOW they tell me it was the water in the fuel. When I took it to them over a year ago, they said it was common in the 2001's. Their story always changes. You are right, the dealers are clueless. The dealer I went to, a pretty big one, has one diesel mechanic and this was the first fuel pump he replaced on a Dmax. But he has done a pile of injectors. I know 3 guys locally who have had injector problems that were blamed on water and they don't have computers, so I bet there are alot more than 30-40 people that have had the problem. And yes Roegs, I am venting. If GM just said yes, we know we have a problem. we are working on it and will send you an upgraded filter. but you will still have to pay for the repair, I would be happy. But for them to just act like I am the first one to have this problem just rubs me the wrong way.

dmaxallitech- I would hate to add a claim to my insurance- that would just cost me more money. Yes, I was stuck. I needed the truck and the best and fastest way to go, I figured, was to let them do it, pay it and fight with GM later. I don't have alot of spare time as it is- that's why I have newer vehicles so that there is less chance of them breaking down on me. If I get nothing back, it's not gonna kill me. It's just the point of it all. They drained a little water out of the filter- it had alot of dirt in it too. I have changed the filter 3 timesand never found any dirt like that. I always pour the fuel out through my hand to check. I almost think the swept the floor and dumped it in the bottle- no, not really. They did find a good bit of watery sludge in the tank- They didn't save that but a few of my friends have friends that work at the dealership and they say they saw the crap in the tank. I know someone will say why not sue the gas station. I don't buy fuel at the same place all the time plus it may have just been condensation. I do live on the Gulf Coast. I filed a warranty claim with Luber-Finer. Their filter was on it the last 3 filter changes, but don't really expect anything from them either. They will cut open the filter and say there is nothing wrong with it. Good to see there are still some adults on here.

Jack,


sorry, you have a genuine concern and yep it sure is frustrating to be jerked around by the service.


I feel lucky that my service department is very competent and highly rated.


I do however prefer to do my own maintenance to this truck. Never felt the urge on my wife's intrepid or Grand Cherokee. I guess it's just a trust factor with this truck. I am also hoping that since I have one of the last LB7's that most of the bugs discovered earlier have been removed.


I've had the opportunity to buy whatever suited me. And for some reason I keep coming back to GM because that was the manufacturer that I had the least problems with. I could kill the Chrysler electronics engineers. Their sound engineers aren't much better. Now if Honda would make a 2500HD 4x4 diesel with an Allsion made in Ohio or Michigan, that might interest me....

Dave


I agree- they all have there problems. My urge was to go trade right away. But to what? At least with this truck, I think I know where I stand. I am trying to come up with a practical way to put a tank in my bed, recirculate the fuel through some Racor water separators for a while and then pump it into my tank. Overkill- yes. Would also take alot of space.


I guess you are a honda fan. For me it is toyota- have owned alot of them with very few problems. I would love a Tundra 2500 with a diesel but would have to have the allison or something comparable.

Tough group. I strongly feel this country would be better off without the ambulance chasers. But I do feel his pain over the fuel/injector system. I have looked at the poll to see there is very few that have had some issues with injectors. But I have to tell you I'm running scared. I have never been in this situation with a Chevy befor. My D/Max is running poorly. I have been down the same path twice befor. Each time some injectors are replaced.


A total of six injectors and a fuel pressure regulator has been replaced on my truck, according to the dealership. I talked with the service manager of a differant dealership, he told me that GM has recently admitted there is a problem with the injector system on the D/Max. For high mileage, not so much for low miles. So he figures I got bad injectors from the factory.He advised I go back to my dealership who has been repairing the truck and have the repairs done again. I called my dealer and inquired only to be told he was unaware of any ongoing problem recognised by GM.


This has been a continual problem for my since day one. Obviouly I got a bad one. This is a $40,000.00 truck. I can't afford to take it up where the sun don't shine. GM has deeper pockets than I and they built this truck. Its great to be proud of your manufacturer but I'm getting Pi**ed off over this truck.


Also I have done some research and am surrounded by those "my truck is better than yours" F**D owners, there doesn't seem to be a filtration problems with the F**Ds.


GM has got to get customer service right, or F**D &amp; Do**e will over run them.

Jack, I'm very sorry to hear of your problems, and I sincerely hope you get it all resolved. Like you, I feel that we are up against a huge corp. giant who is not working in our best interest nor is it interested in good service after the sale. I feel the dealers and techs honestly care, but the zone reps are the ones dictating the terms to the service managers. Hang in there! You have to get tough with them to get them to do the right thing.


Where are you located, BTW? PM me if you don't want to post it. We're having a bit of a problem getting repairs done in So Cal due to the zone rep.


As for the rest of the people who wish to have you banned for having an opinion that differs from theirs or gave a knee jerk reaction to your post without knowing the facts... ignore them, it's easy to see what kind of people they are. Just because they think their truck is runnig fine that means there must be no problems.


I guess Bosh just redesigns injectors every year just to be fashionable. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif And if you believe that, put your hockey helmet on, get back on the short bus and go home.

At the risk of getting blasted, I'm gonna have to side with Jack on this one(although I wouldn't be going after a class action suit, I would sue). When a manufacturer is ducking their responsibility to take care of a problem under warranty with smoke and mirrors, it's time to get a good consumer law attorney. I don't like class action law suits either, but one on one, litigation is unfortunately sometimes the only way to get things straightened out. I've done it before and if I had a manufacturer give me the run around, I would do it again no problem at all.


Lawyers and Cops are in the same boat, everybody wants to bad mouth them until you need them...then they are the best thing that happened to the world. Wait until you are wearing the shoes of the frustrated victim of a Ford/GM/Diamler telling you to go fly a kite and pay a several thousand dollar repair bill while you are under the factory warranty for something they should be covering and you will change your tune as well.


Why would anyone put something on their insurance company when it is a problem that GM owns? Not me, no way. They have a WIF sensor and it should work, that's all there is to it. Why else is it part of the vehicle when they have done away with everything else from under the hood lights to filters in the HVAC? It's because the WIF sensor is important to protect the motor and it should always be working. I'm pissed about it and it's not even my truck with the water problem! Edited by: srode

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gifAs much as I hate lawyers I agree with Jack on the CA Suit. Yes we will all only get $5.oo each and yes the trucks will cost more in the future but they are going to cost more any how. GM or ANY OEM company can easily afford to pay out all of theese single suits witn NO appreciable results to us others who own the trucks. The CA suit puts enough pressure on a corp with the possability of looseing tens of millions and even countless more dollars in lost sales due to bad press. Tell me where to sign up. Its time for GM to give us what we paid for. Right is Right even if I only do get 13 cents back and some abulance chaser gets rich. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif

Long story short....biggest problem we have:


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Techs in general dont have a cluehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


Owner in the end, gets stuck in the a$$ becuase of abovehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Thumbs Down.gif

Socaldmax- I have nothing to hide. I am in Gulfport, MS. I never worked for a dealer and never will, so I really don't know all their procedures. But in my case, I was told that the dealer called"GM" to see if they were going to pay since there was water in the fuel. Now that I think about the timing, they hadn't even pulled all the stuff out of the way to get to the pump. They thought that I would not want to pay if GM wouldn't, so they didn't want to go any farther until they had an answer. How can you diagnose what actually caused a pump failure without seeing it? When I talked to GM, they said"the dealer is our eyes and ears and we have to go by what they say" SOunds like everyone passing the buck.


I have called a few lawyers to sue on my own, but they are all interested in personal injury stuff. I guess "emotional distress" pays good. I want would sue without a lawyer but I'm sure GM has some big lawyers who would squash me like a bug.


If anyone knows a lawyer who would be interested in filing on behalf of the few of us who have had a problem, let me know. I'm not afraid to call and talk to them. If noone will do it or they will and I lose, at least I didn't go down without a fight.

Dmaxallitech- Are you a tech for GM? Just asking because of your profile. Maybe you have some real insight on this issue.

Jack,


Check your PM box

Jack-


I apologize for coming off strong. I didn't know the situation you faced with your truck, just read your post and responded to it. It is hard to tell if fuel quality is the major problem causing some of these injector failures or just bad design. Maybe you might want to try a different source of fuel?? Or maybe have the fuel tested where you fill up and depending on the results, go after the fuel station for compensation of repairs. I believe one person wrote up a message where they got a bad load of fuel that caused problems, and had the fuel station pay the repairs. Of course this probably would only work if you had receipts for proof of purchase.


I just don't agree with a class action lawsuit (I respect yours now) to teach GM a lesson, cause we all lose in the end..(higher prices). I agree something needs to be done if in fact this is a wide spread problem. Tough to be in other people's shoes who have had the failures, while I have not.


Again sorry for coming off strong on you..


Bob

Dmaxallitech- Are you a tech for GM? Just asking because of your profile. Maybe you have some real insight on this issue. unfortortunatly.


very, very experienced in the Dmax engine and its issueshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif

Jack


I truly believe it is all about the dealership and how the handle GM. I think we can all say we have had problems. Some more than others but I will say I have been dealing with the same dealership for 20+ years. When they feel something should be done they get it to happen. Yeah it's frustrating but we dont live in a perfect world. The dealer in most cases has the ability to ease the pain.


The biggest problem I see is when you buy a truck from a car dealership. Trucks should be bought from truck dealers. It is a different world when you need to consider that a truck in many cases is being used to earn a living. When a passenger car is in for work it is a mere inconvenience. When a truck is out of service it cost the owner money. Truck dealerships understand that more than a car dealership.


FInd a new dealership to fix the truck correctly and put some damn filters on that DMAX.


It's the real world so "Take no prisoners".

Rana...I'd partially agree with you. There is only so much a dealer can do. Eric's posts show this in the frustration he has with GM. As for dealer loyalty, I can't really agree. My local Chevy dealer turns its staff every year or two, and turns its service mgr every three years. 20+ years of loyalty would have done me no good.

What dealership do you suggest he go to in order to pick up that check GM owes him for over 3k in reapirs ? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif Their is a lot of CYA going on all the way around. We even have some very experienced guys with the Duramax here that were selling performance chips and other mods out of the dealer ship. Their was this "no worries mate " attitude but guess what, theyre not selling that stuff any more. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Broken Heart.gif I wonder how that conversation went between the Stealer and GM. Like you said it's the real world and sadly in our society that means litigation IF you want any results other than being ignored.

My dealership is definitely the exception. Most of their employees have been with them for 20+ years. They have always helped anyway they can.


I might be singing a different tune if I dealt with a different group of people.


None the less I have always been opposed to law suits. You need to know who your dealing with first then make the investment. That includes the dealer.

jack, I am currently involved with a class action and/or lemon law suit against Yamaha. Class action will be hard to do unless you get a good number of people to join. You may want to look into the lemon law for Ms. I don't know if it would apply, but it's worth checking out. The URL below has links to many of the states but not all. It might be worth checking out.








lenomlawamerica.com

Oh so now you want to call me an idiot. You sue happy people no matter what reason really piss me off. As far as I am concerned you can kiss ass. I think that if I had that many problems with my truck @ 26K miles I would have gotten rid of it. GM should cover all that stuff under warranty until 36K. I would have fought a little harder instead of bending over and taking it. Seems as if you have more time to bitch about this stuff than doing anything. So you want to sue, make the price of trucks for us go up so you can get another $.13 cent check? ****** man get a life. Oh and I had the injector issue and other problems on both my gasser and old diesel, GM paid for one and insurance paid for the other, I made sure NO MONEY AT ALL came out of my own pocket. Sell it and move on. Enough said. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif

No it was just enough said from cororate KISS ASSES LIKE YOU ! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Nuke.gif Now you bend over and I'll kiss your hind end their smooochie.....Right after I shove a pile of defective injectors up yer rear ! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ouch.gif

I think that if I had that many problems with my truck @ 26K miles I would have gotten rid of it. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif


Getting rid of a brand new truck is an expensive option for the owner. Most would only consider that only as a last resort.

This ethical debate has plenty of issues to discuss, thereby leaving personal attacks for the drunken bar room or the playground (which for some, may be the same thing). http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

CLASS ACTION= THE AMERICAN WAY, SIT ON YOUR ASS AND TRY AND GET RICH BY WHATEVER MEANS POSSIBLE BY TAKING FROM ANOTHERS POCKET..

So you want to sue, make the price of trucks for us go up so you can get another $.13 cent check? Oh and I had the injector issue and other problems on both my gasser and old diesel, GM paid for one and insurance paid for the other, I made sure NO MONEY AT ALL came out of my own pocket. Sell it and move on. Enough said. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif


GMC2500HD...do you ever read what you type? First you oppose class action suits because they just raise the price of trucks. Then you go on to say that you made GM and your insurance pay for your problems. Where do you think GM got the money to pay your claim? From the price of trucks. Ditto for your insurance claim. We pay for claims in our insurance premiums.

I feel that GM should pay for stuff under warranty. Don't you? Would it not be right to be offered a warranty and then not be able to get anything fixed under that warranty? Well. I pay for insurance too and when you have had it for so long and never filed a claim they don't mind taking care of someone who is important to them, drives nice, does not get tickets, wrecks, etc and so they do not mind taking care of something minor like this.

Ray403Dmax:


I did it twice, back to back. I bought a new 2003 Hummer H2. Loaded and I thought it was going to be nice, that was the biggest POS I have ever owned, I took it in for service so many times and it was ridulous, At 5200 miles dealer said that was as good as it was going to get, still had issues. So I figured well the next line of the 2003's was already out, maybe they have fixed the issues, right? So I took my 2003 with 52xx miles on it and traded it for another new 2003 Hummer. I changed colors and dealers. Thought that this was it. Drove it for 5000 miles and started doing the same things, so I took it in about 12 times and said screw it, traded it on the DMAX that I have now and have never been happier. When you are not happy with something and you have that many issues, dealerships are willing to work with you to keep you happy and coming back to buy cars from them.


So if you are having that many issues, then you find a way to get it done, period........

Last GM class action suit I was in was the side gas tanks. I got a rebate to get $ off a new truck It expired Last year my truck was hit in accident. It bent the frame like a U. the gas tank was crushed and 19 gallons of gas wher in the road. I got Jack sh*t. only one that got the money wher the lawyers. ****** the lawyers i hope they all die!!!!!

Ray403Dmax:


I did it twice, back to back. I bought a new 2003 Hummer H2. Loaded and I thought it was going to be nice, that was the biggest POS I have ever owned, I took it in for service so many times and it was ridulous, At 5200 miles dealer said that was as good as it was going to get, still had issues. So I figured well the next line of the 2003's was already out, maybe they have fixed the issues, right? So I took my 2003 with 52xx miles on it and traded it for another new 2003 Hummer. I changed colors and dealers. Thought that this was it. Drove it for 5000 miles and started doing the same things, so I took it in about 12 times and said screw it, traded it on the DMAX that I have now and have never been happier. When you are not happy with something and you have that many issues, dealerships are willing to work with you to keep you happy and coming back to buy cars from them.


So if you are having that many issues, then you find a way to get it done, period........





Nice to be able to keep buying from the same company till you get something that works!!! 3 vehicles in 2 years, sure the dealer loves you! Doesn't sound like they got anything fixed for you though, but they sure do enjoy customers like you. I would think after spending over $150,000 you should find something that works alright for you.... for now anyway. You paid GM very well for not being able to produce a product you are happy with 1/3 of the time.

Well srode it is more like 5 vehicles in 2 years. I am very happy with my new DMAX and I will buy another one when this one is ready to go.

4x4man and oldman- thanks


Rickles04- Come on, we all know class action is not a way to sit on our ass and get rich. But it might help gmc2500hd get a better quality truck when his current one is ready to go.


GMC2500HD- I see you are a doctor- now I understand your hatred of lawsuits. I own a business and don't want anyone to sue me either. So guess what- I do everything possible to truly make my customers happy with my service. If GM was doing this, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Well srode it is more like 5 vehicles in 2 years. I am very happy with my new DMAX and I will buy another one when this one is ready to go.


You can obviously afford to pay a little more for your truck then from other's law suits. Don't see why you are concerned about it. Edited by: srode

When the circumstances are right and the cause has merit, a class action lawsuit is one of the very few ways a person of modest means can join together with other "Davids" to take on a corporate "Goliath." Those who suggest it is an easy way for lazy people to make big money are breathing too close to their tale pipes. Most members of the class will get virtually zippo, though the class lawyers will be well paid. But, I doubt anyone here would refuse to accept the benefits of life time warranted injectors, for example, if the suit were successful.

TC

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i bought my baby in mid-feb...have driven it about 1.5k miles...have had pwr probs after about the first 500mi i drove it...have had the fuel filter replaced 3 times...just had all 8 injectors replaced...


the first place i had it serviced was a $tealership...BIG mistake!...since then i've had the work done at a gmc-truck only dealership that also works on other deisels such as volvo, kenworth, detroit, etc...BIG repair facility...they REALLY seem to know what they're doing...thank god!


the light duty truck foreman pulled a warranty history to see what he had going on, since i'd only owned my truck about 5mins...the history runs SIX pages, and includes 2 previously replaced injectors...


i agree with the point jack, and others, are trying to make, and that i heartily agree with, is that when u buy a product you shud be able to reasonably expect that it performs as advertised...and that if it doesn't the mfgr shud make it right w/o any fuss...and ESP w/o being threatened with a law suit...however, jack is right here and shud pursue gm legally...i'm a fedr'l govn't para-legal, but have thick skin http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif...there are good/bad lawyers just as there are good/bad service mgrs and mechanics...however, the law doesn't always work as advertised either...i believe that oj was guilty, there were more involved in the jfk assisnation, and that roe/wade was decided on the wrong legal principals...


at LOT of posters here have added addtional filters for peace of mind...jack's, and others, point is that we shudn't HAVE to do ANYTHING to assure that our trucks perfrom w/o incident...i agree, again...


having said all of the above, i want to go on record as saying that i LOVE my truck...i just pray that it doesn't strand me on the side of the road when i have my horse trailer behind me with my ponies inside...


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Pony Driver,

Good point about the GMC heavy truck service center. I take mine to exactly the same sort of shop here in Sacramento. I've never had any engine trouble, but I had the "Service 4WD" light come on and some electrical gremlins in the passenger window and the remote door locks. They fixed everything without batting an eye and I've had no problems since. While I was there, my truck was the smallest thing in the place. Giant OTR towered over it. This is a place that means business. My guess is that the guys who push the big iron for a living don't waste their time on service departments that don't get the job done. I hope so, anyway.

TC

Where did jack mosey off to?

My bitch is thay GM put food on my table for 28 years. I have an issue with the class action BRAVO SIERRA as I was sued 3 years ago. It cost me $150k to defend myself. I also own a small business. My lawsuit was laughed out of court, now the person that initiated it is getting a taste of his own medicine. I turned around and am gonna break it off in his arse and leave the balls hangin' out!! When I'm done I hope he's friggin' bankrupt.


Jack, have you tried GM's arbitration? They ate the tranny in my 95 K2500, I had to install it. Sorry to have been so negative in my previous post, bad day at the salt mines.


ROB

Doug, I still visit every now and then but I don't live here.


Robzuk- I agree. If you did nothing wrong and got sued, maybe the plaintiff should have to pay at least half your costs or something. That might make a person think twice. But in my case, I truly believe GM is doing me wrong. I just got the letter from GM last night telling me how to initiate their arbitration and am going to do it. I am willing to give them every chance to fix this problem- and not just paying me back but finding a fix for this problem. Does anyone know if the trucks on the showroom floor still have the same filters as the first dmax's?

PM Eric about the filtre issue, he's a GM TECH and he'd know.


ROB