i recently installed the banks six gun with the speed loader, i also installed the banks monster exhaust and big head waste gate as well ws k&n filter, but after all that money and time im not impressed


my truck before had a k&n filter and the bully dog dyno dominator which felt twice as strong as it does with the banks


anyone know why??????

I think you answered your own question, banks doesnt put the power out with thier programs.

so should i ditch the banks program and buy something else

Hey liquiddura, how much was the 6-gun with the speed loader? If you dont mind me asking. Also, what is the bullydog system you had called and how much does that cost and how much lb/ft and hp does it add? I would like to upgrade my 6.6L soon and i am looking at these two products.


Thanks.

i love the banks exhaust but go with the bully dog for 750 dollars its too easy

I would keep your exhaust, but not the six gun, do you still have your bully dog?

yeah but i put it on my other truck

but im thinkin bout puttin the juice with attitude but i dont know

Looks like EVERY Programmer/Module out there kicks ass all over the SIX-GUN. I've got one, I know. I see that BANKS isn't responding anymore to this forum. Maybe they're busy working on an upgraded replacement module for people that bought this UNDERPERFORMING box. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif

I feel your pain. I did the same thing but I had an edge

Hard telling which relabeled box you had, but it was either a VA or Edge...





Metal=Edge


Plastic=VA

juice is a much better performer

Makes you wonder how banks could be taking in a bunch of Edge trade-ins. Probably just salesman speak. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

I'm sure they'll revise the programming eventually.

LiquidDura,

I’m sorry to hear that your unsatisfied with your Six-Gun. When did you buy it from us? Please e-mail me with your name and I will have our Tech Dept. look you up in our system and give you a call. I will have to consult with our engineers on the functions of the Bully Dog box to see how it performed in our testing. I just received the competitive testing report for the new Ford 6.0 boxes and the egt’s on the Bully Dog 6.0 box were by far the highest in the field. I think the number was 1440 degrees. If your planning on running their box that's probably something you should keep an eye on.

White Duramax,

Don’t make statements that are not true. I think you meant, “The Banks Six-Gun makes good reliable power, it just doesn’t contribute to the hole in our ozone.”

Scotty Seelen,

Please e-mail me with your issues and I will be happy to help resolve them. Also, please give me a comparison to all the other boxes you have run in your truck. Please give me the specifics of your likes and dislikes of each box compared to the Six-Gun.

P.S. We don’t ignore any of the forums and we are making a Banks Race Box for the Duramax.

Grappledog,

Please e-mail me with your issues including your name and I will look you up in our system. I will have our Tech guys get in contact with you.

Ray403Dmax,

When we collect 1000 competitive boxes we are going to put th

Well, I have only tried hypertech and now have my 6 gun on the truck.. replaced the ARE cap stickers with the Banks ones. I'm pleased, it's easy to install.. except for that damn grommet deal.. that was fun. Other than that, I am very happy and am glad I returned the hypertech to the store here and called you guys. Smooth power without obvious hiccups with the tranny like hypertech.


If you'd actually like a video of those boxes being destroyed via explosives, I can arrange it :)


Thanks for helping feed the addiction...

Banks six-gun is the only true power adder that was developed to protect the allison trans from distruction.it also is the only true power adder that protects the turbo from excessive rpm's and also high egt's. their is a big hype about most HP on most of these threads but nobody has adressed whos box is the safest. Colin you need to bring all of the owner's of the stores that sell these products to your dyno and run their trucks up to 3000 rpm's apply a 10,000 # load and do a 10 sec stepdown test in 200 rpm increments and lets see the true capability of these boxes. I dont think you will have many takers. It would end up meltdown day at the dyno. Banks cust service is first class and they do take care of you.OK now what is the time frame for some new releases of eq from Banks.

When we collect 1000 competitive boxes we are going to put them in a box and have the Air Force drop a J-DAM on it. Thank you for your concern.http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil%20Smile.gif









That's one way to try and get rid of competition .... Way to costly in my opinion ... Have any idea the cost of Chartering a Air Force jet ??


Why don't you just pack them up as best you can X-specialy the Edge Juice boxes and ship them to my house collect ...


After seeing the conservative "safe" tuners released by Banks as of late why not tease us with some "risk'ay" numbers (HP and Torque)forth coming ??


Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gifEdited by: Mackin

Colin, why are you posting about 6.0 stuff in a Duramax forum. Just because thats the temp the bully dog put out on a 6.0 doesnt mean it the same for a Duramax. I happen to have the same thing as a dyno dominator, which was what the original question was about and it runs very cool egt wise. I havent really seen anything out of banks that puts down power like other boxes do, I understand that most of what you make is for towing and thats fine, but they dont seem to compete with other manufacturers in the higher hp.

colin you should gather and burn all the books too....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif By the way socaldmax is off in the pacific and he's still looking for that race box(you were going to leave in his truck) ...........must have slid under the seathttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif Edited by: sdaver

Colin,


I had no dislikes with the Bullydog or the Hypertech. Each seemed very smooth in their power delivery.


Make sure you contact ME first when the Banks Race Box comes out. It sounds like this is what I'm looking for. I don't haul or pull anything, and I'm sure your six-gun performs very well under load. All I want to do is haul ass in a race with a Banks. Oh, one more thing. PLEASE, PLEASE bypass the speed limiter.....

Banks six-gun is the only true power adder that was developed to protect the allison trans from distruction.


Please define "true power" adder.


Overall, I'd bet Edge would take issue with your claim.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

When we collect 1000 competitive boxes we are going to...


Sounds like a loft milestone, but it never hurts to be goal oriented. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

It's probably too early to tell anyone about anything on the Race Box you're working on. I just hope that it will directly replace the six-gun module and hook up to everything else. Like the switch, tcm wire, probe wire, and the hookups under the hood. That would be very fine, indeed.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif

Banks six-gun is the only true power adder that was developed to protect the allison trans from distruction.


Please define "true power" adder.


Overall, I'd bet Edge would take issue with your claim.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif




until Edge comes on here to explain how and at what level they do my claim stands. also what happens if the attitude fails? does it all fail? what causes the wipers to act up when a edge box is installed?do the edge boxes work on cali trucks as good as the other trucks without low boost fueling?if you have a BD-AMP box what does it do to regulate egt's when towing in level 4? how many ver of software has edge used for all of you field engineer's only to correct one thing and create another.?how many time's have you read posts about the attitude display not working only to hear send it back as some of these seem to do that.ask edge why the attitude will not show over 25.9 PSI BOOST.IS THIS TRUE BOOST OR IS THIS ALL THEY WANT YOU TO SEE?now lets talk about who's product is ready for prime time. the complaints that you here about the six-gun seem to be only of being under powered but if they read the advertisement correctly it showed the HP down low and who would think they could win races at that rpm. EDGE shows their power at higher rpm so if i was going to race i don't think banks would have been my choice. I will keep my six-gun over any of those other tuners and hopfully I will get upgraded down the road and get the best of both worlds. banks sat back and watched for everyone else to make the mistakes. it doesn't do you any good to have a tuner if its in the ups truck more than its in your truck. enough said at least this will keep this thread going for awhile

Yeah, what FISHHOG said. I usually keep my trucks ten years. My truck's not my hobby, just a ride to the MX track. My CR450's way more fun, jumps way better and does better wheelies.

Easy now...





Lots of baseless accusations in that post FISHHOG.


I've dyno'd the Banks, and have refrained from comment while their engineering evaluates my findings.





I know that Edge does:


Have adjustable EGT backdown


Monitor trans slip even in the OLD non Attitude units WITHOUT splicing wires.


Have CA version programming (minimum low boost fueling) for the older units as well as adjustable low boost fueling on Attitudes.


25.x PSI is all that can be displayed as I understand due to the limitations of the sensor. Not hiding anything as they don't adjust the wastegate.


Have more torque at a lower RPM.








Please note I have yet to drive with the 6 gun installed...

Easy now...





Lots of baseless accusations in that post FISHHOG.


I've dyno'd the Banks, and have refrained from comment while their engineering evaluates my findings.





I know that Edge does:


Have adjustable EGT backdown


Monitor trans slip even in the OLD non Attitude units WITHOUT splicing wires.


Have CA version programming (minimum low boost fueling) for the older units as well as adjustable low boost fueling on Attitudes.


25.x PSI is all that can be displayed as I understand due to the limitations of the sensor. Not hiding anything as they don't adjust the wastegate.


Have more torque at a lower RPM.








Please note I have yet to drive with the 6 gun installed...




does the ficm get a TCC signal from the can-bus?

I would like to try one but can't quite figure out if it was that easy to monitor why nobody really puts this into their tuners?

how many of these are usable if the attitude display doesn't work?

WHAT WOULD THE ECM DO IF IT WERE TO SEE A HIGHER THAN EXPECTED VOLTAGE COMING FROM THE BOOST SENSOR THAT DID NOT JIVE WITH THE BARO SENSOR AND OR FUEL QTY. BURNED.

DO YOU HAVE EGR ON YOUR TRUCK ?

DO YOUR DYNO SHEETS COMPARE TO MINE WITH THE SPIKES AT 725 FT LBS TQ?
AT 2250 IN LEVELS 4 5 6 ?

I SOLDERED MY WIRES FOR TCC MONITOR TO MAKE A POSITIVE CONNECTION.

ARE YOU GOING TO DRIVE WITH IT TO SEE HOW NASTY AND MEAN IT CAN BE TO YOUR TRANNY?

HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE LABLE ON YOUR BANKS TO SEE WHAT REV. IT IS

WHAT GOOD IS A TUNER IF IT HICK UPS GOING DOWN THE ROAD ?

WHAT GOOD IS A TUNER THAT HAS TO SHUT DOWN BECAUSE OF HIGH EGT'S?

WHAT DOES THE EDGE BOX DEFAULT TO IF THE CONTROLLER NEEDS TO VISIT THE UPS TRUCK.


since i own a banks six-gun and pretty much
know how the others work and i do have 1 day of training along time ago at a gm training school. i can call it as i see it until someone can show me different.

banks has had my dyno charts for their engineers since the day we ran them so im sure that they know what you are talking about.Edited by: FISHHOG

Oh jeez... When there are as many Banks units as Edge, and they have been around enough, let's answer the points you mentioned about software versions and people having problems. I find it unlikely that the Banks is completely trouble-free. If their product is *completely* trouble free for hundreds or even thousands of users, then I'll eat my words and agree with you. However, given that they are changing the stock settings, I find it VERY unlikely there won't be *some* problems.


You like your Banks box - we all get it. Is it the best bang for the buck? Not even close!


Your other points:
Attitude fails: disconnect it and run the Edge
Edge fails: unplug it and run stock - there's no reprogramming.
You asked JK to see what rev he has? Does that mean there's more than 1 rev level? If so, then you just contradicted your previous points about people having multiple versions.


Seems you know less about the Edge than you claim...


Edge has its merits, and so does the Banks, the Quad units, and even Predator. To each his own...

fhog wrote

"since i own a banks six-gun and pretty much
know how the others work and i do have 1 day of training along time ago at a gm training school. i can call it as i see it until someone can show me different."

Sounds like a good reason to me........real good one
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on edit ditto joe and kennedyhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif Edited by: sdaver

Oh jeez... When there are as many Banks units as Edge, and they have been around enough, let's answer the points you mentioned about software versions and people having problems. I find it unlikely that the Banks is completely trouble-free. If their product is *completely* trouble free for hundreds or even thousands of users, then I'll eat my words and agree with you. However, given that they are changing the stock settings, I find it VERY unlikely there won't be *some* problems.


You like your Banks box - we all get it. Is it the best bang for the buck? Not even close!


Your other points:
Attitude fails: disconnect it and run the Edge
Edge fails: unplug it and run stock - there's no reprogramming.
You asked JK to see what rev he has? Does that mean there's more than 1 rev level? If so, then you just contradicted your previous points about people having multiple versions.


Seems you know less about the Edge than you claim...


Edge has its merits, and so does the Banks, the Quad units, and even Predator. To each his own...

don't get all defensive because i posted something against edge. im looking for answers that nobody seems to know to much about.pretty soon this place will turn into the edge place insread of the diesel place if people can't give info that i have given. how do you know that banks hasn't already sold 20000 boxes. maybe they don't come here looking for answers. but from what i can see from being here as long as i have is if you don't have a edge box or tts you aint ****. SO ITS TIME TO FIGHT BACK AND YOU JUST PROVED MY POINT THANK YOU

fhog wrote

"since i own a banks six-gun and pretty much
know how the others work and i do have 1 day of training along time ago at a gm training school. i can call it as i see it until someone can show me different."

Sounds like a good reason to me........real good one
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on edit ditto joe and kennedyhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

NEVER ARGUED WITH SUPERMAN ON ANY ISSUES AND HE JUMPED RIGHT IN HERE TO PROVE MY POINT AGAIN.

does the ficm get a TCC signal from the can-bus?

I would like to try one but can't quite figure out if it was that easy to monitor why nobody really puts this into their tuners?

how many of these are usable if the attitude display doesn't work?


I know from experience that the trans protect works even on the non Attitude boxes. I had my transmission on the ropes, and the Edge flat laid down and died in 5th gear. The TST module still ripped, but easily slipped the trans. The Attitude now displays a little lock symbol when the converter locks. I ruined my trans stacking and testing various mods.




WHAT WOULD THE ECM DO IF IT WERE TO SEE A HIGHER THAN EXPECTED VOLTAGE COMING FROM THE BOOST SENSOR THAT DID NOT JIVE WITH THE BARO SENSOR AND OR FUEL QTY. BURNED.


The Edge unit lies to the ECM already. It caps the boost signal as observed on the Tech 2. It really isn't a big deal what the boost is. The wastegate is there to prevent anything excessively nasty from happening. Alter or defeat it at your own risk. But then again Banks gives you the tools to do so.






DO YOU HAVE EGR ON YOUR TRUCK ?


no, and I'm glad. I have plenty of customers who do. Truth is, I run a CA Hot Juice quite often on my truck. The CA programs are STILL typically stronger than most competetive units' A game.




DO YOUR DYNO SHEETS COMPARE TO MINE WITH THE SPIKES AT 725 FT LBS TQ?
AT 2250 IN LEVELS 4 5 6 ?


Only level 6. Levels 5 down are quite loopy. The 6 Gun gets the win for peak TQ over the 90 HP Juice, but even the CA 90 has much more Torque from a much lower RPM and a much flatter curve. Bob Mink has them, but I haven't heard anything definite.







I SOLDERED MY WIRES FOR TCC MONITOR TO MAKE A POSITIVE CONNECTION.

ARE YOU GOING TO DRIVE WITH IT TO SEE HOW NASTY AND MEAN IT CAN BE TO YOUR TRANNY?

HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE LABLE ON YOUR BANKS TO SEE WHAT REV. IT IS


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WHAT GOOD IS A TUNER IF IT HICK UPS GOING DOWN THE ROAD ?


Hasn't happened since WAY back. Had Edge included me in their initial beta program (the unofficial word is I was seen as too fussy) they would have known about it prior to official release.

WHAT GOOD IS A TUNER THAT HAS TO SHUT DOWN BECAUSE OF HIGH EGT'S?


Dunno, ask Banks 'cause that's what theirs does if they run over 90 HP. PS the Juice 90 has nearly identical EGT's to the Banks unit on L6

WHAT DOES THE EDGE BOX DEFAULT TO IF THE CONTROLLER NEEDS TO VISIT THE UPS TRUCK.


All but level 5 is available. Truth be told, I run a non Attitude unit most of the time anyhow


since i own a banks six-gun and pretty much
know how the others work and i do have 1 day of training along time ago at a gm training school. i can call it as i see it until someone can show me different.

banks has had my dyno charts for their engineers since the day we ran them so im sure that they know what you are talking about.





If the 6 Gun functions fully w/o the trans wires attached, I will have 2 other Dmax trucks here Saturday to try it on.Edited by: GMC-2002-Dmax

Don't tug on Supermans cape ,you don't spit into the wind ,you don't pull the Mask off the Ole Lone Ranger and you don't mess around with =>John fix your open ended bold]








Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gifEdited by: Mackin

Had to italicize it unless the mods can finger out how to fix it...

Had to italicize it unless the mods can finger out how to fix it...


I will fix it for ya.


Thttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gifNY

Thx

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fhog wrote

"since i own a banks six-gun and pretty much
know how the others work and i do have 1 day of training along time ago at a gm training school. i can call it as i see it until someone can show me different."

Sounds like a good reason to me........real good one
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he does realize that 6 guns went the way of the wild west?


now we have autoloaders that carry 14 rounds


LOL... i like banks, safe and conservative power... others like to monitor what is happening to the engines operational parameters ourselves with gauges/monitor..... are you taking bank's word on the egt issue or are you monitoring it for yourself as well?Edited by: Got Juice?

Colin,


Is there any time frame on the "race box" you guys are working on? Can you tell I'm a little excited. Hopefully I can avoid any races with the "bullydogs" that are runnin' all over here. I'm parking it in two weeks until next October. Time to get the Collector Edition Ram-Air TA out once the snow is gone for good. Gotta love those nostrils on that hood. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif

fhog wrote

"since i own a banks six-gun and pretty much
know how the others work and i do have 1 day of training along time ago at a gm training school. i can call it as i see it until someone can show me different."

Sounds like a good reason to me........real good one
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gifenjoy your banks

on edit ditto joe and kennedyhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif





he does realize that 6 guns went the way of the wild west?


now we have autoloaders that carry 14 rounds


LOL... i like banks, safe and conservative power... others like to monitor what is happening to the engines operational parameters ourselves with gauges/monitor..... are you taking bank's word on the egt issue or are you monitoring it for yourself as well?

so maybe you get 6 more rounds with the speedloader then you could have 12 rounds not quite 14 but if you were good you could blow them away with 6

yes i have gauges and have compared the results with manual gauges.

does the ficm get a TCC signal from the can-bus?

I would like to try one but can't quite figure out if it was that easy to monitor why nobody really puts this into their tuners?

how many of these are usable if the attitude display doesn't work?


I know from experience that the trans protect works even on the non Attitude boxes. I had my transmission on the ropes, and the Edge flat laid down and died in 5th gear. The TST module still ripped, but easily slipped the trans. The Attitude now displays a little lock symbol when the converter locks. I ruined my trans stacking and testing various mods.




WHAT WOULD THE ECM DO IF IT WERE TO SEE A HIGHER THAN EXPECTED VOLTAGE COMING FROM THE BOOST SENSOR THAT DID NOT JIVE WITH THE BARO SENSOR AND OR FUEL QTY. BURNED.


The Edge unit lies to the ECM already. It caps the boost signal as observed on the Tech 2. It really isn't a big deal what the boost is. The wastegate is there to prevent anything excessively nasty from happening. Alter or defeat it at your own risk. But then again Banks gives you the tools to do so.






DO YOU HAVE EGR ON YOUR TRUCK ?


no, and I'm glad. I have plenty of customers who do. Truth is, I run a CA Hot Juice quite often on my truck. The CA programs are STILL typically stronger than most competetive units' A game.




DO YOUR DYNO SHEETS COMPARE TO MINE WITH THE SPIKES AT 725 FT LBS TQ?
AT 2250 IN LEVELS 4 5 6 ?


Only level 6. Levels 5 down are quite loopy. The 6 Gun gets the win for peak TQ over the 90 HP Juice, but even the CA 90 has much more Torque from a much lower RPM and a much flatter curve. Bob Mink has them, but I haven't heard anything definite.







I SOLDERED MY WIRES FOR TCC MONITOR TO MAKE A POSITIVE CONNECTION.

ARE YOU GOING TO DRIVE WITH IT TO SEE HOW NASTY AND MEAN IT CAN BE TO YOUR TRANNY?

HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE LABLE ON YOUR BANKS TO SEE WHAT REV. IT IS


62956-05C






WHAT GOOD IS A TUNER IF IT HICK UPS GOING DOWN THE ROAD ?


Hasn't happened since WAY back. Had Edge included me in their initial beta program (the unofficial word is I was seen as too fussy) they would have known about it prior to official release.

WHAT GOOD IS A TUNER THAT HAS TO SHUT DOWN BECAUSE OF HIGH EGT'S?


Dunno, ask Banks 'cause that's what theirs does if they run over 90 HP. PS the Juice 90 has nearly identical EGT's to the Banks unit on L6

WHAT DOES THE EDGE BOX DEFAULT TO IF THE CONTROLLER NEEDS TO VISIT THE UPS TRUCK.


All but level 5 is available. Truth be told, I run a non Attitude unit most of the time anyhow


since i own a banks six-gun and pretty much
know how the others work and i do have 1 day of training along time ago at a gm training school. i can call it as i see it until someone can show me different.

banks has had my dyno charts for their engineers since the day we ran them so im sure that they know what you are talking about.





If the 6 Gun functions fully w/o the trans wires attached, I will have 2 other Dmax trucks here Saturday to try it on.

thanks for the answers

Hello!

New to this place, but it looks pretty good!

Last weekend I ran my truck with the Superchip tuner, Quadzilla 135 tuner, Banks Six-Gun with Speed Loader, and the Edge Hot Juice with Attitude monitor. I had high hopes for the Banks set up, and I did not believe bad reputation it had until I saw the numbers for myself. The Banks fell way short of my expectations.

Here are my results;

These tests were all run in a row. There was adequate time in between for cooling and changing out equipment. All were run with a Tech 2 scan tool holding the transmission in 4th gear. These were nine second runs between 50 and 70 MPH.

These are listed in order from lowest to highest rear wheel horsepower results.

Manufacture & Setting, Max Horsepower, Max Horsepower RPM, EGT, Boost, Max Torque, Max Torque RPM, Horsepower Increase.

Stock, 237.6 HP, 3000 RPM, 1000 EGT, 22 PSI, 452.9 lb-ft, 2400 RPM, 0

Superchips Tow Safe, 268.4 HP, 2700 RPM, 1100 EGT, 22 PSI, 559.5 lb-ft, 2300 RPM, +30.8 HP

Superchips High Performance, 298.6 HP, 2700 RPM, 1200 EGT, 25 PSI, 629.4 lb-ft, 2300 RPM, +61 HP

Banks Six Gun w/ Speed Loader Level #1, 299.9 HP, 3100 RPM, 1100 EGT, 22 PSI, 533.2 lb-ft, 2900 RPM, +62.3 HP

Edge Hot Juice w/ Attitude Level #1, 301.5 HP, 2900 RPM, 1100 EGT, 22 PSI, 626.5 lb-ft, 2300 RPM, +63.9 HP

Quadzilla 70, 314.8 HP, 3100 RPM, 1200 EGT, 22 PSI, 591.4 lb-ft, 2300 RPM, +77.2 HP

Banks Six Gun w/Speed Loader Level #6, 333.4 HP, 2900 RPM, 1200 EGT, 24 PSI, 699.6 lb-ft, 2300 RPM, +95.8 HP

Quadzilla 135, 387 HP, 2700 RPM, 1500 EGT, 25 PSI, 771.3 lb-ft, 2500 RPM, +149.4 HP

Edge Hot Juice w/ Attitude Level #5, 394.6 HP, 2900 RPM, 1300 EGT, 26 PSI, 729.8 lb-ft, 2700 RPM, +157 HP

You can check my signature to see which one I kept. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif
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Good info. Looks like your tests agree with all of the others on the Six-Gun.

So, HTF do you run the 6 gun w/o TCC wires attached? I'll confess that I did not take the time to read the destructions yesterday, but suffice to say, no hookup = no power.





We also observed what I've been saying all along:


The Juice DOES protect the transmission, and it IS rated VERY conservatively. Key is, most do not have enough transmission to allow full potential.





PS. Stick with boxes at 100HP or so, WITH transmission protection if you have a stock trans...

WI HUCK


Thanks ,good info .... Welcome to the "Place"


Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

read this elsewhere.........glad your here.....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif I still wander over "there" too and so far I can still post there. Great comparison

Has anybody out there put the Bullydog Power Pup on the dyno? Just wondering what it actually laid down for hp/tq on the 155hp program. I haven't seen any numbers yet. It sure runs strong, though. Hey QUAD, if you're reading this thread, are you still working on the speed limiter bypass for the 2001's? The only other option I would have is TTS, but I would like to be able to pull it back out again. Why is the 2001 models so much more difficult to bypass in the first place? Just curious......