So two days ago I was pulling my Gooseneck trailer through Illinios on my way up to Bloomington. I work for a Christian rock band and we use my 2005 Chevy 3500 to pull my trailer. I have 40,000 miles on it right now and at 20,000 miles I contacted a couple dealers and vendors to see what I could do to my truck without causing any problems with warrantees, so I decided to go with a MBRP cat delete pipe and a AFE stage 2 air intake. Thats all. SO two days ago I pull off at a truck stop to refuel and I let the truck cool down and shut it off so I can eat. I get back in the truck it starts fine and I pull out of the truck stop and get on the on ramp for the interstate and all of a sudden I loose all my power and the engine flutters and puts out smoke( not sure what color). I pull over and call the dealer they state probably a bad fuel filter. I change it on the side of the street, It wasnt. They did say I could keep driving but just go slow to Bloomington top speed was maybe 40 mph I was still 150mi away. The whole time Im hearing a hi pitch squeal and have no power when I get on the gas. I get it to a Chevy Dealership in Bloomington and as soon as they noticed they CAT delete pipe and cold air intake they refuse my Warranty. HELP their saying I need a whole new engine and a new turbo ($12,000) to get it fixed. Their stating the the truck didnt have enough back pressure so It blew the turbo up. Thats not possible from what ive heard from other Mechs that Ive called today. What do I do?? My truck has had this setup for 20,000 miles and never had any problems. Please someone help.....

Did you check your intercooler lines to make sure the boots didn't blow off? I would hope the dealership would have found it, but maybe they didn't look into it any further and just want to rape you for an easy fix. Also, try and clean your MAF sensor. Use some alcohol or contact cleaner. I can't see how you could have blown your turbo and engine just by those 2 mods. Many people running 4" straight pipe and AFE intake with no problems. Maybe you could limp to another dealer so as long as they didn't try to blacklist your VIN. Did they download any codes? You should have had a check engine light I would think anyway. It is possible you blew you turbo, but if your engine was blown, I don't think you would have been driving anywhere. There will be more knowledgeable people that chime in here soon. Hope everything works out.

Sure sounds like the same symptoms that other people described when their intercooler line blew off.

Dealer is full of BS - find another one.

Is it possible that you put GAS in the tank instead of diesel??

have you had any reflashes done

Find another dealer!!! They cant deny warranty if they dont know that those two mods created the situation. I had the intercooler hose blow off once and it gave the same conditions that you are describing. Easy fix even on the side of the road...done it:D .

What Christian rock band do you work for? I'm a huge Christian rock and metal fan:ro) :ro) :ro) .

It really does sound like the intercooler hose issue. Its worth you checking into it obviously.

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Jason, please listen to me. These guys above me are correct. Leave.

Look for the turbo boot popped off like they say, should be easy to find. It should be blowing air all over the place.

If that's not it, if you have your old intake, put it back on, after thoroughly cleaning you maf sensor with alcohol. Go to autozone and ask them to clear your codes (for free).

Please let us know if you still need a new $12,000 motor.

removing the cat will generally cause you problems at any dealership.

Run away! They apparently know nothing about your truck. Turbos need backpressure like a fish needs a hook in it's mouth. EGT's are the #1 cause of turbo failure, and removing backpressure is a good thing.

It is unlikely your engine is damaged. It IS possible the turbo let loose. But check hoses first, especially the top driver's side hose.

Sounds like the intercooler hose blew off to me also and hes saying he heard a high pitch squeal which would lead to that.

Sounds like the intercooler hose blew off to me also and he's saying he heard a high pitch squeal which would lead to that. Sure sounds like what I experienced while roll testing an LLY van. I would definitely check the intercooler boot. We found the cause to be a broken clamp from being over-torqued. A lot cheaper that a $12,000 engine. This dealer is trying to "hose" you.!!:eek:

I agree with the rest of the people. The hose does not even have to come all the way off, for your symptoms. Secondly, the dealer/GM must prove the removal of your cat is the cause of the problem to legally deny a warranty issue.Do not continue to work with that dealership. good luck

Continue another quarter mile east past the Chevrolet dealer and you will find a great GMC/Caddy dealership in Bloomington (who also has the Chevy franchise in the next town). I have always had great service at Barker's and they do have a diesel tech who is concerned about customers.

Roger

I love you guys. The truck is in Bloomington Il, and I had to rent a box truck to get to the next shows. Im in Louisville KY now. Ive got to return the box truck on Tuesday. I wonder if the dealer will let me look at my truck. I know he has called GM tech line and some guy from Duramax is supposed to come look at it on Monday. I heard a high pitch whistle while all of this was happening but it wasnt comming from my exhaust, more like the drivers side engine. Im not sure if the dealer already black listed me. He said hes in contact with the GM tech people already about it so i bet so. After I changed the fuel filter on the side of the road and started the truck up it sounded fine, its just when you get into it is when it makes high whistling noises. But when I was idleing in the Walmart parking lot I could hear the VVT turning from the exhaust like it usually does. no weird clunks or anything else. AFter driving to the show the turck still sounded fine when I kept it out of the turbo range. How would I have gotten that far if the engine was shot??? I guess Ill know more on Monday. Would it be a good idea to tell the Dealer to look at the intercooler lines or should I keep that to myself and just show up and ask to look at it?? Ill keep you posted on this. Thanks a lot guys. Pray for me...

By the way I work for Newsboys. Chrisitan rock band thats been around for 20 years. I'm their truck driver, truck owner, Drum tech, CO2 / speacial effects guy, and last but not least Stage Manager. Great times. Take care guys.

Right now its at
Leman's Chevrolet City
1602 S morrissey Rd.
Bloomington, Il

How far from their?

The other thing would be, do you have your old cat pipe? If not, I still have mine around and if you want it, you could pay for shipping and I'll send it to you. I have 130K miles on my truck and had the cat delete since 20K miles. It does sound like the boot popped off and the techs at that dealership might not be the sharpest tools in the box. If the engine was shot, you would have noticed more problems, I believe.

Ive got all of my old pipes and air intakes. It just sucks that its all the way in IL and im in Nashville. If I could just get this all fixed Ill stay stock till 100,000mi for sure. What sucks is when I bought the Extended warranty the dealership that I bought the truck from in GA did waranty work that day and they would have saw the new air intake and no cat. How can they sell me an extended warranty and not warn me that those two things are going to hurt the warranty.

Im also sure that i bought diesel. Green hose, Receipt and It foamed out of the tank a lil like diesel does.

I wonder If I could get the other dealership that Wq93 is talking about to come and tow the truck to their shop. Got a phone number??

I was going to go buy a new Kodiak 5500 this week but now I cant trade this 3500 in until I get it working again. Stuffs up all of my extra income.

When you get back to Lehman's, look directly east and you can see Barker's from the Lehman's lot. Your truck would currently be at the corner of Veteran's parkway and Morrisey, Barker is at the next intersection (corner of Commerce and Veteran's) to the east on Veteran's parkway.

Roger

There is no asking to look at your truck, TELL them you need a tech to go to it so you can discuss the intercooler hoses with him. Then stand there while he checks them.

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Alright, Jason...

I live about 20 miles from that dealership. If you want when you get back to Bloomington, give me a call (Jeff 309-258-0671) and you can limp it out to my house. I've got EFI Live and we can scan it and take it for a ride to try to narrow it down. My garage will also fit a dually, and it's heated, so we can go over the engine with a fine tooth comb, looking for a blowed off intercooler hose. I also have an LLY cat converter in my basement and we could throw my stock intake setup on it before you take it to a new dealer.

Lemme know,
Jeff

Pray for me...


That's not going to work. Get your *** in the truck and drive away, Jeff will help you. The dealer has already told you that he is planning to rape you. Wake up call. GET OUT!

Do what KillerBee says. Get your truck away from that dealer immediately, if not sooner. Go to Jeff's house and diagnose it. It's something simple...and its probably the intercooler boot.

If you drink beer, I know he has a fridge full of quality stuff!

just becuase you got it from a diesel pump doesnt that you got diesel . it happened to us on a trip when the truck was new on a trip fueled up and when we got down to 1\3 of a tank it started to smoke we got of the freeway and got the trailer parked . next morning took it out to see if it wouid change it ran the same . went to a dealer empted the tank and a new filter ran fine after that thay said thay thought thay smellt gas in it

Do what KillerBee says. Get your truck away from that dealer immediately, if not sooner. Go to Jeff's house and diagnose it. It's something simple...and its probably the intercooler boot.

If you drink beer, I know he has a fridge full of quality stuff!

Well it's not top quality, but it'll get the job done!!!:drinking:

I was thinking that it might also be the FICM wiring, shorting out against the bracket. Mine was LOOOW on power, surging, and smoking like crazy when that one injector shorted out. SUPER simple fix, 10 minutes worth.

Let's get that ol' girl fixed and get you back on the road!

lastest news. dealer stating that since the CAT is off the truck didnt have back pressure causing the turbo to bend the shaft in it. then he calls later stating its going to cost $5,500 to get a new turbo on it and all of the gaskets and time to fix it. So i call him back a couple hours later and he states that the truck had too much back pressure because the cat was off and that the turbo was under load and bent the shaft. Theyve already black listed me also. Looks like I might just have to go to court over this. This all sucks. I know they have to prove that the cat is the reason the turbo broke, but how do i take it up to the higherarchy. Im heading up to IL tomorrow. hopefully ill know more..

I know they have to prove that the cat is the reason the turbo broke, .

No, they don't. This is not a MM warranty issue involving aftermarket products. You wanted advice, but not willing to take it, so

I really wish you luck. Now it IS time to pray. You have built yourself a world of hurt.

Edit: PS: I do really appreciate what you are doing with the kids.

5500 bucks you can get a better turbo than the stock turbo for that much tell them you just want your truck back and go to jeffs house

good luck, and I love the Newsboys

the dealer is giving you conflicting stories. first not enough back pressure, then too much:rolleyes: If removing the cat increased back pressure (too much) why did the LB7's come without a cat?

Get your truck from the dealer and run as fast as you can:)

lastest news. dealer stating that since the CAT is off the truck didnt have back pressure causing the turbo to bend the shaft in it. then he calls later stating its going to cost $5,500 to get a new turbo on it and all of the gaskets and time to fix it. So i call him back a couple hours later and he states that the truck had too much back pressure because the cat was off and that the turbo was under load and bent the shaft. Theyve already black listed me also. Looks like I might just have to go to court over this. This all sucks. I know they have to prove that the cat is the reason the turbo broke, but how do i take it up to the higherarchy. Im heading up to IL tomorrow. hopefully ill know more..These are the same jerkoffs that refused to do anything about my burnt tranny fluid because I had changed it "prematurely" at 15k and so it suddenly became my fault that the fluid was black. Run, don't walk away from these numbnuts as soon as possible. I live in Bloomington so if you need any help just give me a call (Jeff @ 309-824-6860). You are welcome to bring it to my garage if you need a place to help diagnose the problem. On Edit, I see Jeff (Wasted Income) has offered use of his place as well. If you can get it there, cool. If it is so undriveable you can't make it to Mackinaw, let me know and you can use my place and maybe we can get Jeff to come over and help out. My fridge looks an awful lot like his!!!

Listen To What These Experts Are Saying!!!!!!!!! Go To The Dealer And Tell Them You Are There To Pick Up Your Truck, Don't Take No For An Answer!!!!!!! Get Your Truck Out Of There Now!!!!!

maybe we can get Jeff to come over and help out. My fridge looks an awful lot like his!!!

Sweet! I'm in! ):h

My opinion: Get it away from the dealer ASAP. Lets look it over and see if there is anything obvious that is F'd up (intercooler boots, FICM wiring, etc.) We can scan it and see if that brings up any leads. I just can't see that your turbine shaft is bent!! :eek:

WORST CASE: If it really DOES turn out that you need a new turbo, I can reccomend at least two dealers around here who are top notch. If it turns out that you WILL have to pay for it out of pocket, wouldn't you rather give your money to a competent dealer who's not a bunch of buttwipes?

I urge you to give me a call tomorrow. I'm done with work around 4pm Central, and I can be in Bloomington by 4:45. I'll go in with you and take a look while it's at the dealer if you want.

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:exactly: :iamwithst

Get it out of there ASAP or you will get a bill you don't deserve. These guys who are telling you to run are not going to make anything off you getting a second opinion. They just want you to get your truck fixed right. BTW I believe that there is a TSB on just this exact issue, including all the symptoms you have described.

BTW, prayying works great ONLY if you are willing to LISTEN to the answer given. I think you are not hearing the answer you are getting from everyone here. BTW I love the newsboys also.

John

X100 listen to these guys, but it's your $$$.

the dealer is giving you conflicting stories. first not enough back pressure, then too much:rolleyes: If removing the cat increased back pressure (too much) why did the LB7's come without a cat?

Get your truck from the dealer and run as fast as you can:)

Is this true? Did LB7's come without a cat? :eek:

Run away from that dealership! What a crock! They always want to sell you the warranty but never let you use it. Censored

are all the guys from IL named JEFF or what

Just the cool ones...:cool: :cool2:

I think that some of the people on here did not read the entire post. This guy has been on the road and away from Bloomington, so he has not been able to get his truck from the dealer until today. So to say that he ignored the requests to get his truck out of there is wrong. He is unable due to the fact that he is not there and is on the road with his band in Kentucky. So, give the guy a break, and let him get there.
I hope that the two Jeffs can help you get it fixed. I think it is great that they want to help you out. That is one of the things I like about this site. There are good people wanting to help on here.

Good luck, let us know how it turns out. Keep spreading Christ's message with your band.

Very interested in the outcome. To all of the guys offering free help in diagnosing, you are top notch! :ro)

I hope there are some guys like this in North Carolina if I need help,way to go......

I just think of it this way...I'd hope to get the same help I offer if I were ever in that situation (again).

I know how much it sucks to be up a creek that far from home.

I'll be traveling to southern Missourri this weekend...I hope I didn't jinx myself!! ;)

Wasted Income. If you are ever coming through the Kansas City Area, and need help, I will do all I can to help you out.
Where in Southern MO are you going to be? Springfield Area?

Thanks Duromax. My wife and I are taking a long weekend in the Branson area. Ridgedale to be exact.

Thats a really pretty area of the State. Much nicer than where I live. By the way, I see your old truck on the trailer in your avatar. Is that a 68 or 67? I have a restored 72 1/2 tonner that I had in high school, and sold it in college and bought it back 6 years later. Stripped it to the frame and completely rebuilt. Now it sits mostly, but I try to get it out and drive it when I can. I love those old body styles. They should build a retro truck to look like those. I think they would go over pretty well, espcially with a diesel. I would trade mine for one.

Have fun on your vacation.

It's a '69 C-10 that I built when I was 14. Complete frame off resto. I've had the truck for 11 years now. I've been spending 10x more time and money on my dmax lately though...
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Thanks Duromax. My wife and I are taking a long weekend in the Branson area. Ridgedale to be exact.


My parents live down there... Great area.
Going to visit them in 2 weeks (over the 18th 19th)...

then in the end of march going to take the new trailer down... cant wait to tow heavy(32k GCVW) in that area and see how she handles!

:think: so what is going on with your truck you cant leave us hanging like this.

sorry guys, just got home from Il and had to continue on through to Georgia. On tour right now. Well to the truck. I tried picking up the truck but for some reason I have a bill of $700.00. NOTHING IS FIXED, and I didnt authorize anything. They stated that there was a $150 diagnostic fee (which I understand) but the rest was shop time to remove the turbo and a fee to send the IC off to be checked????? So needless to say Its still there. I called the Dealership you guys were talking about (Barkers) Hes cool btw. Knows his stuff and doesnt get caught up on engine mods. He was going to tow it and look at it for free in his off time but the cost to get the truck out of the shop is CRAZY. So I called GM customer Service and filed a complaint and called the dealership I bought it from and one of the guys best friends is a retired Warranty guy for GM. They said to file a complaint and GM has to look into the problem and make a decision within one week. AFter that I can appeal and this guy at the dealership in GA can go through some back door??? Who knows. And by the way I would love to be by my truck through all of this but when your on tour its all about logistics. Now Im driving a box truck that rides like your sitting on concrete blocks. I should know more by the end of the week. We need to boycott this dealership. They dont know what their talking about at all. Even Barkers is laughing at this dealership. If it comes down to needing a new turbo, how hard is it to install yourself, and how much should I expect to pay? Thanks fellas for the support. Im listening but from the second the truck went to that stupid dealership thevye had me.

This just keeps getting better.

If you authorized nothing, you owe them, let see....

nothing!

Go there, politely ask for your vehicle, then call the police when they don't produce it.

They NEVER had you, if you have no contract. You need a police report, but likely it will not get to that point.

If it is in parts, be sure to have it all noted in the report, then tow it.

Unbelievable....I'm with Killerbee on this. Plus if it is not re-assembled, demand that it be put back like you brought it in immediately! And that means installing new parts for anything that may have been "shipped off". They can take it off a new truck if they have to with the Police standing there! If you signed nothing you owe nothing, period! :mad:

I retract my post above, you need legal counsel, we are not a good substitute. You need the advice of someone licensed in that state.

Post up a tel # and we can ALL call them and complain! This is nuts! If they want to waste your time, we'll waste theirs! I'll call all day long!

Ill post it as soon as this lady from GM service HQ calls. If shes on my side this will all be overturned. If not, lets start calling. Ill keep you posted. Thanks guys.

;) Leman's Chevy City
(309) 663-4311):h

OOps, didn't see Jason's last post. Wait to call till he gives the go'head. :)

Not sure how we could do it but maybe we should start our own little "black list" - dealers who steal - dealers who don't. Any one one of us could be traveling and have a problem like this - we're far from home, need help, so we say "take it to a dealer". At that point we depend on luck - if we're wrong we're in for a whole world of hurt. It be great to know where to tell the hook guy (and more importantly where NOT) to drop the truck. ::rant:

Not sure how we could do it but maybe we should start our own little "black list" - dealers who steal - dealers who don't. Any one one of us could be traveling and have a problem like this - we're far from home, need help, so we say "take it to a dealer". At that point we depend on luck - if we're wrong we're in for a whole world of hurt. It be great to know where to tell the hook guy (and more importantly where NOT) to drop the truck. ::rant:

Good idea!!

GREAT Idea!!

send them a link to this thread, and cc it to an entire GM service database.

That's a great idea. Once Jason gives us the word that they're screwing him (or not), I'll send a link to the Leman service dept (if Jason wants that...don't wanna overstep my bounds/business).

I just want to see the dealer do right by him.

Not sure how we could do it but maybe we should start our own little "black list" - dealers who steal - dealers who don't. Any one one of us could be traveling and have a problem like this - we're far from home, need help, so we say "take it to a dealer". At that point we depend on luck - if we're wrong we're in for a whole world of hurt. It be great to know where to tell the hook guy (and more importantly where NOT) to drop the truck. ::rant: This is an great idea. What we need is a way to build a list of dealers with the ability for the users to rate and provide feed back on our experiances at that dealer. This way if someone is out and about and needs a dealer, they can look up dealers close to were they are and see which one is best. Hmm, gets me thinking.....

That would be great. if we could have 2 stickys one for good/cool mod dealers and one for bad ones. and a mod or one of us to make sure that the thread does not get into a conversation just good or bad.

hell, if someone wants to write a php program i will host a site for bad venders, dealers, and good venders dealers informational only..

I'm sure somebody can "obtain" a dealer listing in either a flat file or in Excel format. I'd be happy to get the list cleaned up - then somebody can take it from there. I'm thinking that WE REALLY NEED THIS FEATURE.

I'm sure somebody can "obtain" a dealer listing in either a flat file or in Excel format. I'd be happy to get the list cleaned up - then somebody can take it from there. I'm thinking that WE REALLY NEED THIS FEATURE.
I agree, this is a good idea. With all the info we have available on this site, I'm surprised it has not already been done.

Okay I just found this site. I am in the market for a new truck and doing research on the DuraMax. I however can not believe what this and other dealers are doing.

Anyone know a good GM dealer in the Denver area?

sorry guys, just got home from Il and had to continue on through to Georgia. On tour right now. Well to the truck. I tried picking up the truck but for some reason I have a bill of $700.00. NOTHING IS FIXED, and I didnt authorize anything. They stated that there was a $150 diagnostic fee (which I understand) but the rest was shop time to remove the turbo and a fee to send the IC off to be checked????? So needless to say Its still there. I called the Dealership you guys were talking about (Barkers) Hes cool btw. Knows his stuff and doesnt get caught up on engine mods. He was going to tow it and look at it for free in his off time but the cost to get the truck out of the shop is CRAZY. So I called GM customer Service and filed a complaint and called the dealership I bought it from and one of the guys best friends is a retired Warranty guy for GM. They said to file a complaint and GM has to look into the problem and make a decision within one week. AFter that I can appeal and this guy at the dealership in GA can go through some back door??? Who knows. And by the way I would love to be by my truck through all of this but when your on tour its all about logistics. Now Im driving a box truck that rides like your sitting on concrete blocks. I should know more by the end of the week. We need to boycott this dealership. They dont know what their talking about at all. Even Barkers is laughing at this dealership. If it comes down to needing a new turbo, how hard is it to install yourself, and how much should I expect to pay? Thanks fellas for the support. Im listening but from the second the truck went to that stupid dealership thevye had me.I dropped by the dealership after work and took a quick peek at your truck back in the fenced in lot where they keep the vehicles they are working on. Your left front wheel well liner had all the fasteners removed and was hanging loose. Your IC has indeed been removed from the truck. My guess is the turbo is also out. I could not see your cat delete pipe. Did they take it off for evidence? Anyway, they have definitely been hacking on your truck without you authorizing them to do so.

Time to bust some heads.

I dropped by the dealership after work and took a quick peek at your truck back in the fenced in lot where they keep the vehicles they are working on. Your left front wheel well liner had all the fasteners removed and was hanging loose. Your IC has indeed been removed from the truck. My guess is the turbo is also out. I could not see your cat delete pipe. Did they take it off for evidence? Anyway, they have definitely been hacking on your truck without you authorizing them to do so.

Good job towin43! We even have some "operatives" now! :eek:

I went through this with a dodge two years ago, the dealer took it upon themselves to personally make sure that they would get to the bottom of my problems. 2 trannys, all new clutch plates(twice) new lines and even tearing out the transmission 4 times with the tech present the truck was still a mind boggle. when I finally got the truck back it was so worked over that nothing really was fixed and I never authorized any of it. they just kept saying it was something new and different everytime. I know this is a different scenario but the concept is the same. when it was all said and done I had to claim lemon law and bail out. I could never trust the truck again I would suggest looking into legal issues and running to something different because I'm sure if they can't find something to pin it on, it will be your fault. Get busy trying to cut ties and moving on!

Jason, we all feel for you on this, but you could have avoided a lot of this by getting it away from the dealer when you 1st posted. You gotta help yourself sometimes and be forceful and demanding. Please be sure you did NOT sign anything that authorized them to operate on your truck. If you signed an authorization for them to perform warranty work, some dealers will also have a clause in the same area that says this also gives them authorization to perform other work...very shady, and not many dealer do it because it's wrong. Go in and make a huge stink on a Saturday afternoon in the middle of their showroom floor and demand to speak with the General Manager. I know this works becuase it happens at our dealership sometimes when we have upset customers. Believe me, they won't want you on their showroom floor going ballistic. Be demanding and don't let them intimidate you. It's your truck and if you did not authorize any work without 1st asking, then they have no ground to stand on. Make them show you where you gave written authorization to perform work without your consent. Good luck, and next time something like this happens...run away from the dealer and find another one!

Since the cheatin lyin stealer has the truck apart without authorization seems like it would be hard for the stealer to prove their case at all. Jason needs a little legal aid. Are there any lawyers out here? And GM get off your collective a$$$$ and hammer on this dealer before DP gets the list published. DP is getting mighter by the day!

Just got done with another show. sorry. Im loving where this is going. maybe this could be the start of something that dealers strive not to be on this black list. The only authorizeing I did was when I put the keys in the envolope and throw it in they drop key. I specifically wrote Warranty work. Nothing else authorizing any work done except work that falls under warrany. Does that count??? I didnt know they were allowed to just take stuff off my truck like that. I was already pissed, now furious. Ill put another call into GM HQ again tomorrow. If their is any good lawyers out their Im up for a go. Id also like to sue for lost wages since my truck was a way for me to make money. I would of had that truck out the next day If I new it was going to be this way but the dealer wasnt sure It was all that stuff for another 4 days and then I was in Georgia doing another show. I think its time Dealerships and Venders strive for some kind of apporval. IF we dont approve of them they dont get our money. Well Ill keep in touch when I hear more. I miss my truck. I saw another 3500 Dually today and started having serparation anxiety. Jason

Okay I just found this site. I am in the market for a new truck and doing research on the DuraMax. I however can not believe what this and other dealers are doing.

Anyone know a good GM dealer in the Denver area?

I have been happy with Transwest GMC.

guys might want to rethink blacklisting dealers good and bad it is
a great idea but remember if we list the good ones that do warranty
work on modified trucks they might get in trouble also .i new a ford
dealer that would work on svt mustangs replace what ever it needed
ford caught wind checked into it and found out one of the cars being
worked on had nitrios and some other goodies.charged back evrything
to the dealer maid them buy it.now that dealer does not do evrything
when it comes to aftermarket parts just my 2 cents it might be good
to just list good and bad and even great dealers but leave out the
modified stuff just opening a can of worms there?

A dealer review section in the forum, listed by state. Not a black list.

The police won't get involved with a civil matter, you guys are funny and very uninformed. He willingly took the truck to a mechanic, who performed work, and unfortunately can keep that vehicle and even sell it to recover costs. They didn't steal it and run it to the shop and take it apart.

I laugh my azz off at some of the things people think they can get the police to do for them. ):h

Stick with the complaint to GM for the work not authorized, but work it upwards from the service manager on up the chain from there. You might be stuck with the diagnostic fee, oh well spilled milk there and the least of your problems.

Right now my course of action would be telling the service manager you didn't authorize any work, and that you are willing to pay the diagnostic fee and a truck will be coming to pick up your truck so please have all your parts in it. Then have it towed to the other dealer.

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Good thing for our impressionable, well meaning, new member that this is not a civil issue. If he had authorized anything, it would be. Duramax04, get the indiana equivalent of this statute and bring it with you for the police to interpret. Then ask the dealer for the "work authorization". Do nothing without the advice of a REAL attorney, as i suggested above.

"Criminal deprivation of property. (a) Criminal deprivation of property is obtaining or exerting unauthorized control over property, with intent to deprive the owner of the temporary use thereof, without the owner's consent but not with the intent of depriving the owner permanently of the possession, use or benefit of such owner's property.

(b) Criminal deprivation of property that is a motor vehicle..., and amendments thereto, is a class A nonperson misdemeanor. Upon a first conviction of this subsection, a person shall be sentenced to not less than 30 days nor more than one year's imprisonment and fined not less than $100. Upon a second or subsequent conviction of this subsection, a person shall be sentenced to not less than 60 days nor more than one year's imprisonment and fined not less than $200. The person convicted shall not be eligible for release on probation, suspension or reduction of sentence or parole until the person has served the minimum mandatory sentence as provided herein. The mandatory provisions of this subsection shall not apply to any person where such application would result in a manifest injustice.

(c) Criminal deprivation of property other than a motor vehicle, ..., and amendments thereto, is a class A nonperson misdemeanor. Upon a second or subsequent conviction of this subsection, a person shall be sentenced to not less than 30 days imprisonment and fined not less than $100, except that the provisions of this subsection relating to a second or subsequent conviction shall not apply to any person where such application would result in a manifest injustice. "

If the dealer has no authorization for repair, then he is not guilty of anything, until he refuses to give your property back to you. He can then be arrested and charged in the criminal code. It would be to your advantage to line up your ducks with the cops first.

:exactly:

The dealer I worked at had this problem a few times. Sometime customer would authorize work over the phone, but nevre signed anything and they would deny it just to get a free repair. They were scamming us, but they got away with it. The service manager would always get mad at the service writers. They were stuck in a bad spot, but it had happened too many times. Without signed authorization or a saved voicemail...we had nothing and had to give the car back.

It sucked, but that was the law. I think this is your best approach. I would get all your stuff in order and just show up. Sometimes the service writers would try to put stuff together that looked like you had authorized it if they had time and knew the cust was proceeding this way. Just show up. Immediately ask for the service manager and general manager. Heck, bring the police along as well. I bet you will get your truck back. Oh yeah...and they should put it all back together for you...especially if you are paying the $150 diagnostic fee.

Don't let them tell you that they tore into it thinking it was warranty and then noticed you didn't have a cat. It is ther eproblem to notice before taking it apart. It shouldn't void the warranty, but it is easier to point out that they should have checked all that before tearing the truck apart. Assuming this, you shouldn't even have to pay diagnostic on it.

There ya go Jason, listen to the mob blaring the trumpets, jack everyone up, get the volume all loud and make a pissing match out of it. Hire a lawyer, call the cops, go to court and have a judge review it. Thats all SOLID advice and shouldn't take more than a few minutes and cost you nothing, right? :rolleyes: This isn't unauthorized use of a motor vehicle, or auto theft either.

OR

Politely speak to the service manager, point out you provided them the truck to diagnose and do WARRANTY WORK as spelled out on the envelope you left, pay the diagnostic, tell them you would rather your truck be worked on somewhere else and get your truck to another place that can fix it right.

I have always had far better results when I get people to work with me rather than making something a showdown, but thats just me.


I wish you luck! :ro)

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You know guys, California sucks on the fact that there is a law for everything. But you would have recourse in Calif. in this instance. We have a LOVELY state agency here called the Bureau of Automotive Repair which by chance is the State Agency which issues repair facilities thier license to do business, and will investigate and mediate ANY complaint.

By law in Calif. no repair can be done without aproval from the customer. And by a funny chance, my brother works for them! hehehehe. You might also check if the state you are in has any Consumer Services like this.

In California, this agency is listed as State of California, Department of Consumer Affairs, Bureau of Automotive Repair. (Say that three times fast)

John

OR

Politely speak to the service manager, point out you provided them the truck to diagnose and do WARRANTY WORK as spelled out on the envelope you left, pay the diagnostic, tell them you would rather your truck be worked on somewhere else and get your truck to another place that can fix it right.

I have always had far better results when I get people to work with me rather than making something a showdown, but thats just me.

I wish you luck! :ro) This approach has always worked best for me.

If you can avoid a pi$$**g match, you will probably be able to get your truck and only have to pay the diagnostics fee.

Remember, your first priority is to GET YOUR TRUCK! After that, you can pursue other options if you want.

The dealer told him he needed a new motor, then came a $700 diagnose bill. The moment he posted that, this was no longer a gentle issue. JMO

Of course, I would be embarrassed suggesting this if it turns out he has a major damage issue, there is nothing wrong with using your legislated rights. If it appeals to his Christian sensibilities, he could always offer up a standard diagnose charge.

The longer you let him get away with an offense (this sounds like one to me), the more implied consent/authorization works in favor of the offender. Meaning DO IT NOW, don't wait..

I have to agree with TXChristopher. The first objective is to get the truck back! I am sure all dealers know how to play the game with pi$$ed off customers. Even if it means paying the $700 ransome get the truck to a competent mech. And hope GM is willing to make it right. You can always go to small claims court to get your money back. Or pay by credit card and protest it through your bank. If all else fails there is always pi$$ed off customer approach!:ro)

A dealer review section in the forum, listed by state. Not a black list.
Yeah, I'm still looking for a dealer in my area that knows their stuff and won't lie or make excuises.:exactly:

There ya go Jason, listen to the mob blaring the trumpets, jack everyone up, get the volume all loud and make a pissing match out of it. Hire a lawyer, call the cops, go to court and have a judge review it. Thats all SOLID advice and shouldn't take more than a few minutes and cost you nothing, right? :rolleyes: This isn't unauthorized use of a motor vehicle, or auto theft either.

OR

Politely speak to the service manager, point out you provided them the truck to diagnose and do WARRANTY WORK as spelled out on the envelope you left, pay the diagnostic, tell them you would rather your truck be worked on somewhere else and get your truck to another place that can fix it right.

I have always had far better results when I get people to work with me rather than making something a showdown, but thats just me.


I wish you luck! :ro)

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Jason,; He is right and I know its frustrating but you still have to remember "WWJD", I'll be praying for you.

What a clusterfck.

What a clusterfck.

LMFAO...........

Any new updates?

not yet, GM customer service is starting to help out. Should know tomorrow morning. Ill let you guys know

I can't believe after reading this whole thread and seeing the advise and offers of help you have received that you are still making phone calls. I believe you are making a BIG mistake by not listening to these guys and "GO GET YOUR DAMN TRUCK". Being on tour aint no excuse, get someone else to go get it, pay that barker guy to go get it, hell do something crazy and take a day or two off to get you affairs in order, do something besides letting it sit there on their lot while they stack the deck in their favor, who knows if the turbo you get back will even be the one they took off. I would guess that at this point they will find something wrong with it whether it happened before you took it to their lot or after.

Act like you got a pair and see above in red....

Originally Posted by TxChristopher

OR

Politely speak to the service manager, point out you provided them the truck to diagnose and do WARRANTY WORK as spelled out on the envelope you left, pay the diagnostic, tell them you would rather your truck be worked on somewhere else and get your truck to another place that can fix it right.

I have always had far better results when I get people to work with me rather than making something a showdown, but thats just me.

I wish you luck!

I would like to echo those sentiments. If you don't get satisfaction tomorrow from the GM rep, follow the above advice and have it towed to a reputable service house.

Good Luck...
Bill

SO Wasssup with this thing:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: You can't let it end this way

hey fellas, well Id love to have it towed to but I aint paying $700 just to get my truck back. Like I said earlier. they are billing me $700 just from Diagnosing. And Id love to take some time off but doing what I do, you dont take days off. Either you work when you have a show, or you find another job. I'm dealing with Nash Chevrolet on helping me now. Their the dealership that I bought the truck from. Theyve contacted their Regional service rep and now hes supposed to call up to that dealership and approve work. Supposedly this is the back door for warranty work. Ill keep ya all. informed. I appreciate all of your advice but If im going go down, Im goin to go down with a fight, and I aint paying $700 for stupid diagnostic fees. Its like giving in, and that aint going to happen

Jason,

Hope your home dealer is able to intercede and get things resolved for you.

When this is all over, please post the name of the dealer in Illinois.

Keep us posted on the progress.

We are pulling for you guy!

Jason,



When this is all over, please post the name of the dealer in Illinois.





Didn't you read the whole post?



Leman's Chevy City

(309) 663-4311

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showpost.php?p=931796&postcount=53

That dealer doesn't care if Jason ever sees his truck again. Can you say "spare parts"?

"we're willing to knock it down to $450, a good faith measure".

Has reality set in yet?

what do you mean "we're willing to knock it down to $450, a good faith measure".


Ive already talked to him about lowering the cost. They said they cant.

I still think u gotta stick them with you didnt ok them to tear your truck apart like that. One of the jeffs said they had it pretty much dismantled in the lot. Your right the scan fee should only be like 150 and i wouldnt pay the extra cause you didnt ok it. dont let gm screw you on this. i still say get it out of there asap.

just the fact that they told you engine/turbo bad i would tell them
they dont have a foot to stand on .and you want to pay the dia
not tear down you didnt approve it and thats final.i know it sounds good
but dont seem to be working for you.just the back and fourth of what it
is wrong would make me tell the i dont fell confident of there work and i want to take it to another dealer.

Jason, it was a statement of how ridiculous this whole thing sounds. I would love to help you, but ....

Jason,

I feel your pain, and contrary to what is being stated here, I believe that you are listening and doing everything you can to resolve this issue in a truely Christian manner. I do agree you should not have to pay $700 to get your truck back, but problems like this do not resolve so easily.

Keep the faith and be assured everyone here only has the best intentions for you.

John

can you go down there and write them a check, get your truck out and immediately cancel it. Granted they probably should get the $150 diag fee, but screw them, pay 25 bucks to the bank to cancel a check instead.

Dude sue the dealer

Man this guy has a lot of patience. If that was my truck i would be one pissed off person,and i would already have my truck because i wouldn't leave without it, or i would just kick some heads in and take my truck.

Yeah i now thats right! Get in the service guy face after he is off work and fix his wagon

Go to the dealer in the morning and write them that 700.00 check. As soon as the tow truck picks up the truck, call the bank and cancel the check. Of course the dealer will come after you for the 700, but atleast you will have your truck back, and you could refer the matter to a lawyer.:confused:

Go to the dealer in the morning and write them that 700.00 check. As soon as the tow truck picks up the truck, call the bank and cancel the check. Of course the dealer will come after you for the 700, but atleast you will have your truck back, and you could refer the matter to a lawyer.:confused:

If you do that to a dealer could they do something and mess with your payment if you screwed them over like just add the 700 to your payment or something.

Going down there and whipping azz might be pleasing, but is the worst thing you could do.

Intentionally using a check to snag the truck is also problematic. In many places theft by check with a value over $500 is a felony. Maybe a DA wouldn't see it that way, then again maybe they would.

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That's why I used this:confused: .

:) Good call guys.

I wouldn't do that.

What I would do is call the police, explain the situation, and they would either help to resolve it right there, or write up a police report for later use in court. This will help support your claim, and it will have been produced by a local authority recognized by the court system.

On edit... I think that was actually mentioned by someone in a previous post, but I am too lazy to go back and look.

Good Luck buddy...
Bill

What I would do is call the police, explain the situation, and they would either help to resolve it right there, or write up a police report for later use in court. This will help support your claim, and it will have been produced by a local authority recognized by the court system.

Good Luck buddy...
Bill

Police will do nothing, they will say it is a 'civil matter' that can only be resolved in court. I wish the police would assist in this matter but chances are more than likely they will not. I hope he gets his truck back soon though

X2 on the good luck

Guys they dismantled his truck!!! He didnt say they could do that. Pay the 150 and tell them to put all of your parts on NOW. Then have it towed to another dealer. This dealer is crazy as hell. How can removing the cat give you too much back pressure?? I am shocked that you would leave your truck with these fools, after they made a big deal about your intake and cat delete pipe. The LB7s didnt have a cat so that should make no difference.

Guys they dismantled his truck!!! He didnt say they could do that. Pay the 150 and tell them to put all of your parts on NOW. Then have it towed to another dealer. This dealer is crazy as hell. How can removing the cat give you too much back pressure?? I am shocked that you would leave your truck with these fools, after they made a big deal about your intake and cat delete pipe. The LB7s didnt have a cat so that should make no difference.iirc he said they claimed it didn't have enough back pressure with out the cat, your right on the lb7 having no cat but they didn't have a VVT either. That may be the difference. Not trying to cut you up Wolford I just think we need to keep the facts straight for this guy.

lastest news. dealer stating that since the CAT is off the truck didnt have back pressure causing the turbo to bend the shaft in it. then he calls later stating its going to cost $5,500 to get a new turbo on it and all of the gaskets and time to fix it. So i call him back a couple hours later and he states that the truck had too much back pressure because the cat was off and that the turbo was under load and bent the shaft. Theyve already black listed me also. Looks like I might just have to go to court over this. This all sucks. I know they have to prove that the cat is the reason the turbo broke, but how do i take it up to the higherarchy. Im heading up to IL tomorrow. hopefully ill know more..


The VVT makes not diff. as it puts way more backpressure on the engine than the LB7 turbo did. I am saying that the cat missing has nothing to do with what ever broke on his truck.

Hey fellas just checkin in again tonight. Todays update;
finally got hold of the GSM of Nash Chevrolet in Georgia, their the dealership that sold me the truck. Their fighting for me and at 4:30pm they called Lemans Chevrolet. I havent heard anything because they were closeing at 5 so hopefully I got somehwere. I also brought up the fac tthat the truck has had some pieces taken off. Supposedly the CAT has to be removed if the Turbo is being removed. So the cat delete pip missing is normal. as for the the front fender protector, they were sure why that was taken off. I also had my dad( works for Honda, hes the head finance manager for the southeast region) talk to the owner of their dealership. They were owned by Roger Penske along with about 300 other dealership but were sold to United Auto Group. Unfortantly they dont own Lemans but they can put pressure on their GM service rep. So today many calls were made and Ive got some more powerfull people on my side applying pressure. Well see what happens tomorrow. On another note I also filed a complain with the BBB which did get GM head GSM to call me but unfortantal BBB doesnt pursue anything warranty work after 36,000 miles even if the truck has a 100,000 mile manuf. warranty on the drivetrain.

The VVT makes not diff. as it puts way more backpressure on the engine than the LB7 turbo did. I am saying that the cat missing has nothing to do with what ever broke on his truck.You totally missed my point I guess.

20 days...

I'm new to the LLY, read sig. Can some one post a picture of the intercooler boots so I know what to look at if this happens to me??

You totally missed my point I guess.

You acused me of not keeping the facts straight, so I showed you that indeed I have keep the facts straight.;)

On this week's riveting episode of As the Turbo Spins...

On this week's riveting episode of As the Turbo Spins...

:funnypost :Nothing_f :lol:

The gate is open right now. All I need is a key and I can yank it out of there for you. Jeff, you up for some Grand Theft Busted Truck??!! Only 6 miles to my house from the dealership on back roads.

...write them that 700.00 check. As soon as the tow truck picks up the truck, call the bank and cancel the check. Of course the dealer will come after you for the 700, but at least you will have your truck back, and you could refer the matter to a lawyer.
That would be a very bad idea. You'd be wide open to the possibility of criminal prosecution.
I'd be willing to bet the local constabulary is more likely to be on the side of this tax-paying local business - regardless of how crooked they may be - than a random out of state motorist (whose cat-less vehicle constitutes evidence of a violation of Federal emissions control tampering laws, when the fine tooth comb test is applied for leverage in this case).

But along that line, it *might* be possible to put the charge on a credit card (preferably American Express), and then, with the documentation provided by the next dealer (one that isn't trying to rip you off), make a reasonable case for a charge-back through the card issuer.

In that case, you have no civil liability (or risk of criminal penalty).

But a likely problem with using a credit card for payment is that given how this situation has deteriorated, the dealer may very well take steps (in the form of multiple signatures on documents with a lot of legal fine print) to try to prevent a charge-back from being issued.

The gate is open right now. All I need is a key and I can yank it out of there for you. Jeff, you up for some Grand Theft Busted Truck??!! Only 6 miles to my house from the dealership on back roads.

Giddy up!!! I don't know how fast we can blaze through the streets of bloomington with no turbo though... :ro)

i feel sorry for you jason but i think your letting them put it to you and
i think your liking it):h . i could not sleep at night knowing that dealer
is so crooked and probaly is switching out parts to another truck as we
speek.there is no way it would have sat there that long especialy knowing
i use that truck for work.that dealer would be in for a yelling match in the
show room. im sorry but first hearing o you need a motor and turbo then
the story changes now its obveous that they dont know what there doing.they are the people on the side of the road yelling that my car stalled and the gas gau`ge says e.good luck.

Giddy up!!! I don't know how fast we can blaze through the streets of bloomington with no turbo though... :ro)I was thinking tow strap behind my truck. I need someone to brake/steer Jason's truck. My guess is his truck won't even run in its current state.

This whole thing can be settled in a day. Go to small claims court, sue them for the MAX amount, may be 5k. In the paperowrk state what they did and that you have to rent a similar vehicle at $100.00 a day.
That will get their attention they will call and settle on the spot. No need to deal with jerks. I did it under tha same conditions. Quoted me $500.00 wnet to pick it up, they said $750.00, I said nope I have a signed contract they said tuff, I said see you in court. Judge told them give me ny vehicle back for free, plus made they pay be $2,600.00. So for being a Jerk he cost the company $3,100.00.
FILE TODAY.

This whole thing can be settled in a day. Go to small claims court, sue them for the MAX amount, may be 5k. In the paperowrk state what they did and that you have to rent a similar vehicle at $100.00 a day.
That will get their attention they will call and settle on the spot. No need to deal with jerks. I did it under tha same conditions. Quoted me $500.00 wnet to pick it up, they said $750.00, I said nope I have a signed contract they said tuff, I said see you in court. Judge told them give me ny vehicle back for free, plus made they pay be $2,600.00. So for being a Jerk he cost the company $3,100.00.
FILE TODAY.Boo Yah!!!

I didn't know you could get into court in a day. You have to have them served, and obtain a court date. The idea isn't bad, but you made it sound like a quick resolution......

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from what ive been reading it has not been moving very fast anyway
1 day 2 months does not seem to matter for jason hes on the road.

from what ive been reading it has not been moving very fast anyway
1 day 2 months does not seem to matter for jason hes on the road.

Very good point. :rolleyes:

Can't file on the road either!

Since he has time on his side he has more options than an individual who had no other vehicle.

It could have been solved in one day, by not leaving the truck with that F'up of a dealer. I not beatin up on jason or anything, but I would have drove off the dealer's lot the very first day.

First, in order to sue in small claims court, the dealer has to owe the truck owner money

Read my post, that's what I said. He has to get a rental car x number of days times rental price, adds up quick. The dealer knows they don't have a leg to stand on ( no signed contract for that amount of work)
By him telling the dealer he is going to do that ( doesn't have to be in town, can do it on the road).
The dealer will wake up and smell the coffee.
So he will be out $$$, the rental vehicle dollars, the long distant phone call $$, the extra hotel room $$, the extra fuel for getting jerked around dollars.
Like I said been their done that, with a dealer that did the same thing.
Not giving legal advice here, but he's entitled to damages, that's every dime he has to spend because he is being jerked around. Granted, that's if the Judge buys his story. But, I don't think the dealer will fight it because they know they are dicking him around also.

It could have been solved in one day, by not leaving the truck with that F'up of a dealer. I not beatin up on jason or anything, but I would have drove off the dealer's lot the very first day.

CO-WRECKED

Small claims is for kids. When there is no contract, your property still belongs to you. Who would a thunk it?

Hmmm??? A: Congress did.

Is that the same congress that allows eminent domain to take away your property without a contract? Or the one that allows FBI and government seizures of property before guilt is proven? I am sure there are more examples, but the point is nothing is cut and dry.

Any progress on this???

Truck was still sitting there last night. I see it every night on my way home from work. What would the ******* do?! (reference to recent Family Guy episode). ):h ):h

Truck was still sitting there last night. I see it every night on my way home from work. What would the ******* do?! (reference to recent Family Guy episode). ):h ):h


The ******* would set it on fire while its in the dealers posession:rolleyes:

The ******* would set it on fire while its in the dealers posession:rolleyes:

The owners insurance would still be responsible if it were found to be vandalism or something. It sux, but its the truth. If it caught on fire while a tech had it in his stall and was messing with it, that would be a different story.


On another note. I caught an ******* re-run the other day on cable. I forgot how much I liked that show. Even my wife got into it and thought it was cool. I will change her yet!!

The owners insurance would still be responsible if it were found to be vandalism or something. It sux, but its the truth. If it caught on fire while a tech had it in his stall and was messing with it, that would be a different story.


On another note. I caught an ******* re-run the other day on cable. I forgot how much I liked that show. Even my wife got into it and thought it was cool. I will change her yet!!

I can't speak for the owner as I don't know the particulars about his ownership situation, but if it was me and my truck in there, it wouldn't be a bad idea):h


As far as your wife getting into the *******, she is female, right????

:joke:

Dealers like the one in this thread and the one here: http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50014

and anybody wonders why GM is in danger of going bankrupt. GM needs to investigate these types of incidents and revoke the franchises of these bad dealers.

At this point, as has been said, the owner NEEDS professional legal counsel. There is a good chance that as soon as a lawyer contacts the dealer on his behalf they'll fold. I'd push this with GM hard. Write to the board of directors, senior management etc. If that doesn't get results start writing letters to the editor of your local paper, see if a local news channel does an "On your side" type of news feature. Kill the dealer with negative publicity.

Here is a little "light" reading on warranties: http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/warranty.htm

Dealers like the one in this thread and the one here: http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50014

and anybody wonders why GM is in danger of going bankrupt. GM needs to investigate these types of incidents and revoke the franchises of these bad dealers.

At this point, as has been said, the owner NEEDS professional legal counsel. There is a good chance that as soon as a lawyer contacts the dealer on his behalf they'll fold. I'd push this with GM hard. Write to the board of directors, senior management etc. If that doesn't get results start writing letters to the editor of your local paper, see if a local news channel does an "On your side" type of news feature. Kill the dealer with negative publicity.

Here is a little "light" reading on warranties: http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/warranty.htm

In that case it would be the dealers responsilbity since it was their employee that caused the damage. However, if a car is stolen off their lot while there for service or something that is not the result of an action by their employees...it is up to the owner of the vehicle to claim with their insurance. We had a few situations come up while I was still working at a local dealer. If it was like the vette link posted above. The dealership would have gotten him a new vehicle and sold the old one for parts or fix and sell it used w/o warranty. We had to do that on 2 cars while I was there.

Someone please post the Name and contact info of this dealership, if you only know the name and city thats fine post that.

Thanks!

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Post the details too about the truck, owner name etc

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Leman's Chevy City
Bloomington, IL.
(309)663-4311

Owners are Ben and Tim Leman, aparently they own 3 maybe 4 dealerships.

I was given another dealer # of 309-692-1801 in tracking down Tim

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I just talked to Tim Leman, I need Jason's info (last name, truck vin, and a phone number ) so that Tim can look into this.

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I just talked to Tim Leman, I need Jason's info (last name, truck vin, and a phone number ) so that Tim can look into this.

. Can't one of the moderators get that info from Jason's profile and PM it to you?

They own several dealerships. All have a less than stellar reputation in town for their service departments.

Can't one of the moderators get that info from Jason's profile and PM it to you?

Privacy issues, same as I didn't have enough for Tim Leman, but I did lay out exellent theoretical basics and then told him it was real and that they were looking like the mega bad guys to a lot of people.

He is willing to look into it.

Jason needs to provide more info.

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Holy crap, talk about picking up the ball and running with it, TXC!

okay hold back on the bomb fire):h
now only if jason was around to help tx out:confused:
maybe have better luck selling parts off it on e-bay:eek:

LOL, what is wrong with this picture?:badidea:

where is Jason?

hey guys havent seen this thread till today holy sh--!! hate to see good people get shafted by bad people. so on that i know you guys are mostly on the other side of the us planet but if your ever in reno nv i can assure you if you have a problem with your ride bring it to me winkel pontiac gmc i can assure u that i know the trucks and have bad upgrade eye site:lol: and would be happy to help u out. ih and if u want to go to a dealer like the one on this thread u could goto the chevy dealer in my area theyll only let your truck sit 4 two- three weeks before diag.

Was out car shopping for the wife on Saturday, and cruised through the lot. Jason, you're truck looks lonely back there.

As an aside, I would NEVER buy anything from this dealer...I was DRIVING THROUGH and 3 different salesmen tried to get me to stop. Friggin' vultures...

what happen to jason have not heard from him in awile:confused:

Dunno, but his truck is still there, collecting dust and bird sh!t.

good luck jason, like dmaxtechreno1 said, if you ever have trouble again (hope not its a chevy hehe) located in ca. and could help no prob. my .02

Holy poopoo Batman how can he tolerate not havig his truck and havig it just sittin and depriciating. Pay the bill take somewere else and seu them.I't can't be that difficult to do.I't can be done niceley

Jason don't leave us hanging please fill us in on what is taking place!!:grd:

come on guys be gentle on jason maybe its a very sore subject now.
if it were me i think i would have taking the dealer down brick by brick
in this amount of time.

Truck is still there.

Today is also the first time I've seen this thread and all I can say wow. This is complete BS, and Jason is way more patient than me. I'll be watching this thread and looking forward to updates.

Hey Jason, good luck Bro'

-Curt

In that case it would be the dealers responsilbity since it was their employee that caused the damage. However, if a car is stolen off their lot while there for service or something that is not the result of an action by their employees...it is up to the owner of the vehicle to claim with their insurance. We had a few situations come up while I was still working at a local dealer. If it was like the vette link posted above. The dealership would have gotten him a new vehicle and sold the old one for parts or fix and sell it used w/o warranty. We had to do that on 2 cars while I was there.

Not true. I had my motorcycle stolen from the dealer after taking in for service. Came back in PM after work, paid the bill, and asked where was the bike. Outside they said. Went outside, couldn't find it. Back inside, I said, where outside? To the left. Went back outside. Went back inside, show me where outside. It was gone. They pointed to a sign that said "Not responsible for loss or theft" I said BS, that sign means if I leave my helmet on my bike while looking in your shop, or to my bike if I am looking in your shop. But if my bike is yours to fix, then it is yours until I take custody of it again.

Their insurance company paid, not mine.

But let's get back to the continuing sage of the twisted turbo.

Not true. I had my motorcycle stolen from the dealer after taking in for service. Came back in PM after work, paid the bill, and asked where was the bike. Outside they said. Went outside, couldn't find it. Back inside, I said, where outside? To the left. Went back outside. Went back inside, show me where outside. It was gone. They pointed to a sign that said "Not responsible for loss or theft" I said BS, that sign means if I leave my helmet on my bike while looking in your shop, or to my bike if I am looking in your shop. But if my bike is yours to fix, then it is yours until I take custody of it again.

Their insurance company paid, not mine.

But let's get back to the continuing sage of the twisted turbo.

They may have taken it on, but it is not how it works with the laws here in TX. I worked at a local chevy dealer here in Houston and we had several situations and it always came out the same. Customers insurance was responsible. I believe the GM typically would cover their deductible as "good faith", but that was it.

There is a website www.gasbuddy.com (http://www.gasbuddy.com), that let's people input fuel costs... There should be an easy way to borrow from thier logic to make a dealer ratings website... I think it would be great to get a dealer listing, then rate each authorized, and other repair locations... ie, a "30 minute" oil changing place that took two hours, and charged me $150, vs the local dealer charging me $45...

hell, if someone wants to write a php program i will host a site for bad venders, dealers, and good venders dealers informational only..

There is a website www.gasbuddy.com (http://www.gasbuddy.com), that let's people input fuel costs... There should be an easy way to borrow from thier logic to make a dealer ratings website... I think it would be great to get a dealer listing, then rate each authorized, and other repair locations... ie, a "30 minute" oil changing place that took two hours, and charged me $150, vs the local dealer charging me $45...

Well, it's not for GM but here is a site I have used for Harley dealerships:

http://stealer-dealer.com/

Maybe some internet/computer savvy person could reun with this idea. The groundwork has already been done.

I just read all 17 pages of the saga . . . stick it to them. Don't do anything illegal, because that will always come back and get you. Just take it as high up the chain as possible. Get everything you can from them, truck rental, travel expenses, phone bills, etc. Write it all down and date it! Good Luck!
:boxing: :deal:

I cant believe that I read all 17 pages with out getting the final chapter. Is Jason's truck still there? Anything new on this? Next time I will just read the final chapter and save a lot of time. Please keep us updated.

Sometimes, for these books, it helps to start with the ending before you read the whole book.

Still there...sitting in a snow drift now!! Gotta love spring in Illinois...

where is Jason...Jason you out there?

I cant believe that I read all 17 pages with out getting the final chapter. Is Jason's truck still there? Anything new on this? Next time I will just read the final chapter and save a lot of time. Please keep us updated.

A tip for you...

Go to your User CP page and change the amount of posts you see on a page.... The largest is 40, which mine is set for, and then you will only have to read through 5 pages on these Soap Operas :D

If you just skip to the end, it is like reading Gone With The Wind and only seing Clark Gable tell Scarlet he doesn't care. You need to see and feel the pain and take the ride with Jason. I feel his pain. All 17 pages of it. I ...:blahblah:

This is amazing and sad. Won't happen to my truck.

The saga continutes...

That truck must not be very high on his list of priorities. Very sad story.

Bill

That's a lot of reading... What's the status? Yes, very sad story.

Blacklist of bad dealers started yet? This dealer should be number one on that list!

Next time I'm through there I'll stop in for an oil change. As the service man holds out his hand to grab my keys I'll yank them back saying, "Hey! aren't you that dealer that's been blacklisted?!? NEVERMIND! I'll take it elsewhere!"

That's a lot of reading... What's the status? Yes, very sad story.

Blacklist of bad dealers started yet? This dealer should be number one on that list!

Next time I'm through there I'll stop in for an oil change. As the service man holds out his hand to grab my keys I'll yank them back saying, "Hey! aren't you that dealer that's been blacklisted?!? NEVERMIND! I'll take it elsewhere!"

:muahaha:

:lol:

Not sure all of the blame can be placed on the dealer at this point. Most of us would have taken steps in one direction or another to get the truck rolling by now.

Ive gotta hear how this ends...i hope he shows up with the verdit...:rolleyes:

Jason better do something...I thought that if a service bill went unpaid for something like 90 days the dealership has a right to file for title and take ownership of the truck

I could be wrong but I thought that is how the process worked

Jason better do something...I thought that if a service bill went unpaid for something like 90 days the dealership has a right to file for title and take ownership of the truck

I could be wrong but I thought that is how the process worked

At the very least, they will start charging a "storage fee" at $XX.xx dollars a day.

Been there, done that. $75.00 a day adds up quick!

Can a mod at least move this pathetic thread to off-topic?

The guy abandoned it. Been weeks. Nothing we can do. IMO it no longer applies to the LLY motor section

Can a mod at least move this pathetic thread to off-topic?

The guy abandoned it. Been weeks. Nothing we can do. IMO it no longer applies to the LLY motor section

You can always just ignore it, I think Jason is with all the slamming he has gotten from members here. We do not know fully what has transpired and I am sure that he is just not letting things sit and see what happens, would any of you???

Lets give the guy some credit for haveing a brain people, and give him a break.:rant:

John

Last Activity: 02-25-2006 11:17 PM

MIA

Just finished reading all 17 pages of this thread, sitting here scratching my head. Hopefully Jason will be back on line soon (last visit 26 Feb) to clear things up. JJ :)

You can always just ignore it, I think Jason is with all the slamming he has gotten from members here. We do not know fully what has transpired and I am sure that he is just not letting things sit and see what happens, would any of you???

Lets give the guy some credit for haveing a brain people, and give him a break.:rant:

JohnAll brains no backbone.

I am sure Jason will fill us in if we just give him time to work out a solution and I am sure he wants to know the end of the story as much as we do!!!! :ro) :lol:

It has now been 1 Month since Jason was on last. If he gets back on and asks, I will reopen this thread. In the meantime without him it can go no where.