Just Got Mine Today..........What Do You Guys Think ?

Drop into Jannetty's and dyno it once.





35mph to 76 mph 12 second controlled accel test...

Maybe Some Day He'll Be Open On Saturdays. Little Hard To Get There During The Week When You Have A Job

JK- and thenhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

I thought there wasn't a new tune above 135hp. I have version 1.19 of the 215hp tune, but I thought the 1.20 version was the same. Mine works great everywhere except near 1700 RPM. It surges pretty bad at that RPM, but not enough for me to go back down to the 165.


I hope you don't have a stock Allison.Edited by: Amric

I want to hear Macks report on his new tune.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

I want to hear Macks report on his new tune.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif


Mack


I heard the comments while you and the guys were on the road. Tell it like it is. What did you do when you pulled off the road? What is it you said? I will not say anything further, but you owe it to all the members as a moderator(that means you are not on the take and you give us clear and truthfull information). Fess up.

I said will you look at these friggen prices on diesel fuel ...


"Nick got any money ??"


Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gifEdited by: Mackin

Oh I forgot ....


When the turbo spooled up and the rear was searching for traction ,shifted second and my dually lit them up ,Nick said my truck doesn't do that !!!!





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif


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Edited by: Mackin

One more thing exhuast is spelled exhaust ...Check your sig ...


Your welcome bud ...





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifEdited by: Mackin

So what was your setup on that run? Whas that with version 1.20? Is it stacked with an Edge 145hp? Whats the scoop? Now that I'm getting used to the 215hp ver 1.19, I'm trying to plan the next step towards the 12s. Should I be giving Quad a call?

Mack


First i am not your bud, second i never said anything about exhaust, third, i can show you better dyno numbers off someone elses truck just like you did. By the way, which Nick did you talk to?


Mack


You are a moderator; act like one. You are supposed to be impartial; do it. You are acting exactly like our government. Tell the truth, it will set you free, but it won't get you anything for free except respect.

Mack


First i am not your bud, second i never said anything about exhaust, third, i can show you better dyno numbers off someone elses truck just like you did. By the way, which Nick did you talk to?


Mack


You are a moderator; act like one. You are supposed to be impartial; do it. You are acting exactly like our government. Tell the truth, it will set you free, but it won't get you anything for free except respect.





Your right I should have just ignored you ... Don't call me out and expect a melancholy responce ...


And exhaust is spelled wrong in your sig ,buddy ...


'04 Chevy Duramax CC SB 4X4
currently on TTS program #26
TTS stainless exhuast
TTS Extreme coming


I'll check with Nick on that spell checker update and get back with you ...





Mac the Moderator http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gifEdited by: Mackin

Mack


You are correct, did not notice my fu. I will correct my mistake "buddy"; and you?


I am still waiting on an answer about the night in question.


mike

*L* i just quit posting Dyno sheets..... no matter how many saw it if the 'heavies' didn't see it or operate the dyno themselves..... it never really happened.


One thing is for certain, we can make obscene amounts of smoke!

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY ET'S OF THE OLD 215 TUNE VS THE NEW ONE???

Pnut....


I ran a 13.4 with my "old tuner"......guess I am not sure what it really was....although it did say 215 when I was loading it....


....I would be more than happy to run the "new one"......just for ....well, ya know......chits and grins....anyone willing to send one up....track is openhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gifEdited by: BIG DIPPER

HAVE YOU GOTTEN YOUR TRANNY BEEFED UP YET??

v 1.19 ??? appears to run the same as previous versions. Runs lay out similarly, if not identical.

Maybe Some Day He'll Be Open On Saturdays. Little Hard To Get There During The Week When You Have A Job





Before I forget, I'd suggest having him disable ProFilter in the software as it tends to play connect the dots too much much like a high level of smoothing. He has my number if any questions.

Mike,


I did say a few things on the road. The diesel fuel price comment was correct. Its way cheaper out there! So was the tire barking comment.


I also said that my truck seemed faster, at least of the bottom end. It was hard to tell a difference once we were up to speed.


I said that his truck was really loud and i didn't like all the rattling noise. It was much worse in T/H mode. Also I witnessed the tune disappear when cruising at highway speed causing the truck to lose power for a few moments almost as if the key were turned off. I didn't care for the lopey idle it made when we ran the big tune on the dyno.

Thanks Nick.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


mike

Mike,


I did say a few things on the road. The diesel fuel price comment was correct. Its way cheaper out there! So was the tire barking comment.


I also said that my truck seemed faster, at least of the bottom end. It was hard to tell a difference once we were up to speed.


I said that his truck was really loud and i didn't like all the rattling noise. It was much worse in T/H mode. Also I witnessed the tune disappear when cruising at highway speed causing the truck to lose power for a few moments almost as if the key were turned off. I didn't care for the lopey idle it made when we ran the big tune on the dyno.








Funny thing is that I have a message that states that this particular truck will do the same thing without any tune on it? Seems there is a sensor problem of some sort?


Also based on dyno results, I would say that "feel" is not important? Or has your truck hit 500 rwhp, Nick? Oh and is your truck a Dually? That could make a "feel" difference, wouldn't you agree?

Quad,


As far as I know and Mac can clarify as its his truck- It only does it when he runs the 215. Mac, please correct me if i am mistaken. I thought i remembered a couple others with similar issues.


Mike simply asked me what i said and that was it. I never stated "feel" was a scientific term. As a matter of fact, when my truck spins the tires it doesn't make any noise, just leaves paint on the ground.


You know much truck isn't a doolie. But are you saying that has something to do with the rattles, tune disappearing, and the lopey idle?


And to your 500HP comment - No, my truck hasn't hit it. but every time i've been on a dyno with my bursting truck i have still beaten any truck running the 215 (on the same dyno of course). This happened to my truck as i ran them both before on the same day. daver recently did the same with like results. I believe Jess has also netted more out of the extreme (which is avail for sale now to anyone) than the 215. As for the LA dyno day my extreme on my bursting truck put down more than socaldmax's and trippin's truck whey they ran the 215 solo.


So Quad, please don't pick at me as i'm just stating what was said and what i've observerd. i didn't come out and call your product poor or say i wouldn't buy it etc. But if i see it do something and someone asks me about it i'm not going to lie! just like i haven't lied about my truck- i've got fuel system problems but that's life. i'll get it fixed. no big 500HP for me now.


Nick

HAVE YOU GOTTEN YOUR TRANNY BEEFED UP YET??


My tranny will hold the 215 alone......it won't hold the 215 and the Attitude together........that would be all the more interesting if I ran the 13.4 with a 165 or 180 or whatever the hell he is calling it today.....with a slipping tranny....however, it wasn't the case.


I have had a few upgrades done to my tranny for some time now....I haven't had any issues.....I do have some new stuff that will be entering in the next week or twohttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif.

good point nick......Just clarifys what I been saying all along.....noise and rattles are hard to take when you are use to quiet and smooth.

mack that smooth running tune doesnt seem to have that issue http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Funny thing is that I have a message that states that this particular truck will do the same thing without any tune on it? Seems there is a sensor problem of some sort?


I don't think it is this specific truck.......when the 215 was loaded on my truck, it had a dead spot or something at around 35mph....after a day or two of this, I decided not to drive around with the 215, I would run only the Juice. It also had a very loud pilot injection rattle when you would let off the throttle and then re-apply....sometimes at gear changes as well..


....mine never cut off though......provided I really did have a 215Edited by: BIG DIPPER

If we want to pump up one brand tuner and put down another, I have a nice lopey idle, flare shifting unit available for demonstration.





Nobody's tunes are perfect...





I'd like to see the 375HP gain claimed by yet another vendorhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif Hell I haven't really seen ANY single unit put out a legitimate gain over 200HP...

John,


I'd like to see a 375HP gain on my truck too. unfortunately i'd have to run laughing gas as far as i know http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif.. at least on my truck

If we want to pump up one brand tuner and put down another, I have a nice lopey idle, flare shifting unit available for demonstration.





Even with all of the stuff that has happened these past few days......that's not how I meant it. My problem was with Quad...personally.....not with the tuner. The 215 may not be smooth to drive around day to day......but the box definetly made power on my truck.....probably not as much as others have claimed, but enough to run a 13.4.


.......send me the lopey one....I'll try it,http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif

I get noise with my 90 Juice when it's cold.... at the shift points.

Well well well


Once again a trap was set and hook line and sinker the intended victim was snared .... I stayed benign but I guess it's my turn ...


Lets clear up one thing .... I have the same problem that Trader Jack has but spared another viscous attack on Quad by being silent, oh well .... I guess people will never learn sometimes silence is Golden ...


My truck has ALL the current ECM software reflashes ...


My truck runs absolutely perfect STOCK ...


My truck runs absolutely perfect with EDGE and other tuners I've tried ie;Predator VA ...


When I load ANY Quad tune including the NEW tunes, when I cruise down the highway at a constant speed 50,70,80 my truck will act like someone reached over and shut the key off .... It will then stumble,fart,hesitate till all of a sudden the power returns ....


When I remove the tuner it has on two occasions done the same thing but not to the magnitude that it does when a tune is installed ... It will ONLY REPEAT when the tuner is UNLOADED once or twice then NEVER reoccur until I reload the tuner then it will HAPPEN immediately if I maintain a cruising speed ...


So I maintain it is a problem with the tuner NOT my TRUCK ...


With all that said DO I CARE ??? NO but everyone else DOES for some odd reason ... I run the Quad tuner at my leisure and drive the EDGE comp primarily everyday ...


I await Quads return call ..... This will make a determination where this thread goes,I'm not very keen on a discussion that is tugging for useless garbage information ,,,


Quad the ball is in your hands ....

I get noise with my 90 Juice when it's cold.... at the shift points.





Probably because it is inactive when the ECT is low. There are quite a few units that make a lot of raspy timing rattle. Personally, I do not care for these.

Mac- Yes its not your truck, but the tuner...........but the tuner only does it on 01's.......so maybe it is your truck http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif. We have had the same problem with a customer, he ran a superchips in the 90hp and same thing, 70hp same, quad 90 same, quad 70 same, bump any of the 2 tuners down to 50 and voila, fixed. We have switched him to an edge 90 and not a problem. So my take on it is something to do with the programming that doesn't jive with 01 software. Just another hurdle to jump with the problematic 01's.


My truck only had those symptoms on the 110 tune, tho i only had it on that setting for 1 day. 215 tune not a problem, unless you call the rattle a problem.


JK, now you say you haven't seen a 200hp one box gain.............Edited by: heartbeatcanada

I think it has something to do with the MAF or the Map sensor seeing too much or too little at some point. We are trying to line a 2001 truck up to run some tests. The 01 trucks are hard to come by down here.





Quad

MAC, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE BURSTING/ CUTTING OUT THAT OTHERS HAVE MENTIONED HERE BEFORE????? I WENT TO THE TRACK TONIGHT WITH THE NEW QUAD BOX AND HAD TOTAL HELL WITH THE CUTTING OUT ISSUE. ITS RAN GREAT SINCE I GOT IT UNTIL I GOT READY TO HEAD TO THE TRACK AND BAM!!!!!! IT STARTED THIS JUMPING AND JERKING FIT ESPECIALLY WHEN IT GETS INTO HIGH GEAR AND RIGHT BEFORE. IT IS STACKED WITH HOT OJ.

Please pardon my ignorance, but couldn't you just replace an '01 PCM with a newer one and avoid all of these issues? Or is there more to it than that?


I've seen new PCM's go for a little over a $100 on eBay...

Michigan Joe- the 01 pcms are totally different than the 02 and 03's. I have been told you will set codes and stuff, as the off year pcm(02,03) will not gell with the 01(bcm,tcm, and about 5 other things i can't remember). The service numbers on the 01's pcm are different than the 02's, so if you try to program 01' software into an 02 pcm, its not gonna go.


I have just received a reflashed 01 pcm, and am gonna try an 02 pcm next week and see how many codes do go off, and how many of them i can live with. The 01s fuel charts are smaller than the 02 and ups, and certain tables are in different spots than the other years. I have been told alll this, as i am going through the steps of getting my 01 figured out(revs, speed limiter). Will know more next week when i try the 02 pcmhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif.Edited by: heartbeatcanada

Stupid question for you guys that are stacking. Is there such a thing as a smooth running stack? In other words can anyone run a quad 215 and a HJAT every day running around town?


As for the 01 ECM issue. What is different on an 01 and an 02 other then the ECM? Would it be possible to swap out or reprogram the other components so that you could run an 02? Why couldn't you run an 02 ecm with an original 02 flash?

MAC, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE BURSTING/ CUTTING OUT THAT OTHERS HAVE MENTIONED HERE BEFORE????? I WENT TO THE TRACK TONIGHT WITH THE NEW QUAD BOX AND HAD TOTAL HELL WITH THE CUTTING OUT ISSUE. ITS RAN GREAT SINCE I GOT IT UNTIL I GOT READY TO HEAD TO THE TRACK AND BAM!!!!!! IT STARTED THIS JUMPING AND JERKING FIT ESPECIALLY WHEN IT GETS INTO HIGH GEAR AND RIGHT BEFORE. IT IS STACKED WITH HOT OJ.





Bursting no, cutting out yes ....


Never never under acceleration, just cruising along at interstate speeds and it's best explained as if someone just turns the key off and your coasting .... You attempt to accelerate, nothing then it spits sputters for about a minute or so all the while your slowing down then it just takes off like in a huff of smoke ....


It seems more prevalent when you first load a tune and on the first full warm up cycle ... It is intermediate at best and ONLY happens when you hold a speed ...


Being on or off the accelerator or under acceleration it isn't an issue or hasn't been ...


I can and have easily driven around the quirk when necessary not that it shouldn't be corrected if possible for those that have 01's and purchased tuners ....


Edge had a similar problem but it was right off the starting to accelerate off a dead stop ...


Mac Edited by: Mackin

JK, now you say you haven't seen a 200hp one box gain.............








Not from one claiming 200HP. I have 2 modules that claim 145 and 180?? that will do it though.

Max- as far as reprogramming the other components, some of them would have to be replaced and the other could be reflashed, but to find somebody to do that.................and without raising suspision as to why you want everything reprogrammed to a different vin#..........i could see the police getting involved. I asked the same thing as you, as i am desperate, to get my 01 problems ironed out. Would, cost some money and think it would be a huge pain to do it..........would be easier to sell the 01 and get an 02, in my books.


I am going to try an 02 pcm this week, but have been told that at least one sensor will go off, and its not a concern to me and the truck should still run okay.


I am not an expert in this stuff, but only try to listen and rememeber what i am told as i get lost in the technical mumble gumble when he starts going off on how the hole system works. I could go on about what i have been told, but i would probably get it mixed up and it would all be wrong.

Stupid question for you guys that are stacking. Is there such a thing as a smooth running stack? In other words can anyone run a quad 215 and a HJAT every day running around town?








Sure in reality I've never had a problem around town .... It is smokey and will soot your oil quick ....


With out a tranny upgrade you will not feel the full potential along the way doing damage to your stock tranny ...


It can rattle (injectors) under light throttle ,mainly just before a shift ...


Mac

JK- gotcha ya





Mac- no codes or lights been thrown??????

JK- gotcha ya





Mac- no codes or lights been thrown??????








Once ....


Over boost and Mass air .... It was REAL cold and I was mashing the peddle on and off quite aggressively so when it was sputtering, it was a tad violent ....


No soft codes present, that I've ever seen ,full MIL when it happened ....





On Edit : I have put a brand new Mass Air in only to have it repeat ...


Mac Edited by: Mackin

heartbeat, I see you updated your stuff, 674.9, your rockin now eh pal????

I get noise with my 90 Juice when it's cold.... at the shift points.





Probably because it is inactive when the ECT is low. There are quite a few units that make a lot of raspy timing rattle. Personally, I do not care for these.

John

Doesn't do it during the rpm rise, until it just about shifts. If I feather throttle it keeps rattling at that rpm. If I continue to accelerate it shifts, rattle goes away until it just about reaches the next shift.
I'm talking easy, normal 30 deg morning acceleration. Once the truck is warm that all goes away. Do these boxes play with pilot injection on/off?

Thanks
Mike

Edited by: hoot

Mac- I feel your pain.............damn 01's, i'm going through some of the growing pains with my 01 jellopy. Its hard to get things ironed out, when no one that tunes has an 01 to work on. I'm about ready to drive to one of the programmers and leave my truck there, for them to work on and take advantage of my truck and get all the 01 problems resolved.


Its looking good though, almost through the 01 problems and then look out.....

TTS seems to have a handle on it ,but I haven't heard any 01 feed back ..... "Salty" move over "Pepper" maybe looking for a shake shake ....http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


I'm not dissastisfied where I'm at right now, I'm putting power to the ground ...





Mac

Oh ya Mack you and heart beat are in the same boat eh? 01's what can you do!!! you guys both seem to have it to gether though don't you!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

MINE ONLY DOES THIS UNDER HARD ACCELERATION. NEVER AT CRUISING SPEED, AND DIDNT DO IT UNDER ACCELERATION UTIL I GOT TO THE TRACK. I MESSED WITH IT ON THE WAY HOME AND IT DIDNT SEEM TO TO IT WITH THE JUICE ON LEVEL 4. NEXT TIME I GO TO THE TRACK IM GOING TO TRY THIS. I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED QUITE A BIT HERE, BUT WOULD A LIFT PUMP SOLVE SOME OF THIS FOR ME???http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif

I think you have been blameing it on the '01 ECM and this is not the case. The TTS/Transgo development truck was an '01 and we never had these issues. It ran 12.78 @106 at the track. Correct those times for a sea level track and your at 12.36 @ 109! It's the program that your placing in them. Yes, they are different between the '01 and later boxes but if your developing code it's all the same. It's just the same as the '04 LLY it's differrent..................no big deal, You just disassemble the code and go to work.

Steve i agree. But its still the 01 pcm that doesn't allow the "tuner" to function properly, whereas it would work on an 02 or newer. Put a module on, which is after the pcm and all is fine. As far as i'm concerned, the only way to eliminate the 01 problems would be a "module" which for us extreme diesel heads isn't enough power and doesn't eliminate the speed limiter or raise the revs. A programmed "pcm" will be the only way as of now, to get the 01's to raise revs and speed limiter gone with monster power, as you have stated, its all in the programming, wether it be a tuner or pcm. Edited by: heartbeatcanada

Heatbeatcanada


That is not the case. Our PowerLoader II is a handheld tuner that raises the rev limiter, raises the speed limiter and comes in four different levels of power. It doesnot allow you to return the ECM to stock but it does the job just fine. Some customers have bought a spare ECM so they could have stock setup but it is not manditory. So the problem is with the programmer of the tuner not doing his/her job!

I guess i look at things alittle different. I unsderstand the Powerloader as not being a tuner, as you cannot return to a stock setting, hence a "custom tuned pcm" is the result. No doubt the programming wasn't or isn't being done on a 01, or we probably wouldn't have these problems. You on the other hand started with an 01 and made it work right from the get go. Hats off to you. I'm obviously not an expert or actually know too much about this, but i think the only way of achieving high horsepower and having the revs and speed limiter raised on an 01 will be via custom pcm or if you can put your extreme program in a Powerloader.

I had these problems with my orignal predator tunes. The truck would cut out going down the highway, like someone unhooked my accelerator. I was sent custom tunes after that and they stopped the problem completely. Maybe Johan could be contacted and could tell you where the problem is. By the way my truck is an 01 also.

I guess i look at things alittle different. I unsderstand the Powerloader as not being a tuner, as you cannot return to a stock setting, hence a "custom tuned pcm" is the result. No doubt the programming wasn't or isn't being done on a 01, or we probably wouldn't have these problems. You on the other hand started with an 01 and made it work right from the get go. Hats off to you. I'm obviously not an expert or actually know too much about this, but i think the only way of achieving high horsepower and having the revs and speed limiter raised on an 01 will be via custom pcm or if you can put your extreme program in a Powerloader.





Is it possible to put a 2002 ECM on to a 2001 DMX and have it work?


I wonder if there is a difference in wiring/programming that would make the swap a viable option?

John Kennedy;
Are you still running the ATS tranny? If so, did you ever get the prblems iorned out? And if not, which tranny is the best? ATS or Suncoast?

You cannot just stick the 02 pcm in there and all is well, there are many avenues that have to be corrected to allow the pcm to co-operate with the vehicle!!!!

What about a get you hands on a wrecked 02 and steal the pcm, ecm and whatever else is needed. OR is that all that is needed?

From what i understand you need 4 or so more, could be wrong, i'm not an expert in this nor am i a good listener, or is it i just can't remember stuff anymore...........ah, i can't remember http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif. Hope to have that all worked out this week and now what can and can't be done.