I've got a 04 Duramax with a LB7 motor in it. I've been thinking about just getting a basic programmer. I do not have the money to spend on the Edge chip, although it is a very nice peice. I've got other stuff to spend money on.. see 422ci Camaro lol.


For the money.. what is the better unit honestly?? Also do I HAVE to have gauges or is it something that isn't really needed. Also can they all be flash back to completly stock so when I take the truck in for warranty work they cannot tell that it has been modded. I don't want to take it in to fix the problem its been having then they void my warranty.

Powell- We have gotten good reviews from the predator and SCMT as well. However, with the predator, you will get more power. The SCMT has settings of: 50hp, 70hp, 95hp. The Predator has: 40, 65, 85, 120.


Gauges are HIGHLY recommended when running any tuner/module. At the very least, you should get a pyrometer to monitor temps. Very cheap insurance. Hope this helps.

What about torque numbers. I also pull a trailer SOMETIMES.. What is the best setting on both tuners,

Well when I would be pulling the trailer. I'd probably keep the programmer normally at 90, unless it ssafe to use the 120 all the time.

One last question. Can the Predator make the truck go back to completly stock tuning, where the dealer wouldnt be able to tell it was there?

Powell


Towing at them levels are unsafe ,EGT wise ...Gauges are a must ....


Yes all the Programmers with the exception of the TTS Powerloader will return to stock ...





Mac

I highly recommend that you search this forum and research what people are saying about each of the tuners you are looking at. There are alot of unhappy people out there.


I have and recommend the Quad. As you pointed out the Juice is popular as well. It pretty much goes downhill quick from there...

Ive read alot of good reviews about the Quad and Predator, but Both have lots of problem.. Looks like you can get screwed either way.. Ive got a Kentuck built truck so hopefully its a good one lol.

Ive read alot of good reviews about the Quad and Predator, but Both have lots of problem.. Looks like you can get screwed either way.. Ive got a Kentuck built truck so hopefully its a good one lol.





I would like to know what problems we have had? I don't believe anyone has been screwed with our tuner. Also we will kill them in the torque department.








Quad

Im not saying it in a bad way. I have just read problems with both tuners.. Nothing bad. But people will sit here and dog the predator with their quads.. then they will post about their problems with the quad.. or vice versa...


Who sells the Quad?

Who sells the Quad?








Now that's funny .... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif Quad is short for Quadzilla if you didn't know ... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif


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The Quad looks to be $100+ more then the Predator and SCMT.. But I've seen people talk about finding them for like $400 also..

TRY A BULLY DOG WWW.CYCLONEDIESEL.COM/DYNO (http://www.CYCLONEDIESEL.COM/DYNO) HERE ARE MY TORQUE #'S

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The Predator 85 HP tune really surprised me the last time I ran it on the dyno. Keep in mind, the dyno is only fullpower and has no bearing on transient pedal positions, but it really did well...





The SCMT wouldn't load for me so I await a replacement.

If you just want to have a some extra power to play with for a cheap price you might want to look into the Hypertech programmer. I put one on my father in laws truck and he loves the performance. Its easy to change back to stock or a lower power level for towing. You can find them for less than $300. In my opinion its a real bargin.


If you want serious power and want to spend a little more get the Edge Juice or a programmer from Quad. I know Edge is great because thats what I have. From what I have read from forum feedback is that Quad's products are nice and he stands behind them. Plus it looks like he is pretty active on this forum and answers alot of questions.


Jesse

I have had the superchip and the juice. Juice is hands down better, but the superchip was pretty close to the juice in most of my towing/non-towing situations. Juice builds torque faster and is smoother. For someone on a budget, the superchip would be a great choice. FYI, I bought by superchip for $298 shipped second day air.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif

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Ive read alot of good reviews about the Quad and Predator, but Both have lots of problem.. Looks like you can get screwed either way.. Ive got a Kentuck built truck so hopefully its a good one lol.


How can you get screwed with the Stealth? The way I see it is, You can get screwed with the Predator, because A) it only has a 15 day return, and 2) it is married to the first truck that acceps the program.


The Stealth on the other hand can be sold to anyone that wants to use it on an LB7 Duramax engine.


I have both! I have not updated either one sense I purchased them. The Stealth is hands down the easiest to change settings, by far quicker to program, and even though I had a few difference of opinion with Quadzilla early on, He would not go away.


I would much rather give my busness to someone that is here to answer questions when they araise.


With the Predator you pretty much have to be a Ford guy for them to help. (Well atleast James) He came on the sean all gunghoe ready to take on the world. Now he is hard to find on any GM Diesel forum.

The Predator 85 HP tune really surprised me the last time I ran it on the dyno. Keep in mind, the dyno is only fullpower and has no bearing on transient pedal positions, but it really did well...





The SCMT wouldn't load for me so I await a replacement.





Last time I dyno'd a Predator tune I was less than impressed.........I have an older version.........real old.


Just use it as a VIN LOCKED scan tool.........now.


Maybe I can get an update from Predator...are the EGT's any cooler........can you shed some light for us on the numbers ??????





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Psst, I found a used Edge Juice on ebay for $300 a while back and bought it. You can too, you won't regret it.


Even if it's an older version, Edge will upgrade it to the newest version for free. Costs $50 extra however for the extra plumbing if you plan on using the Attitude controller.

Psst, I found a used Edge Juice on ebay for $300 a while back and bought it. You can too, you won't regret it.


Even if it's an older version, Edge will upgrade it to the newest version for free. Costs $50 extra however for the extra plumbing if you plan on using the Attitude controller.





Psst.............


Better check my SIG.....last time I checked it I had a couple other things in it. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif





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The Predator 85 HP tune really surprised me the last time I ran it on the dyno. Keep in mind, the dyno is only fullpower and has no bearing on transient pedal positions, but it really did well...





The SCMT wouldn't load for me so I await a replacement.








Last time I dyno'd a Predator tune I was less than impressed.........I have an older version.........real old.


Just use it as a VIN LOCKED scan tool.........now.


Maybe I can get an update from Predator...are the EGT's any cooler........can you shed some light for us on the numbers ??????





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Bearing in mind that these are all full throttle runs and do not show the responsiveness or part throttle torque, the Pred 85, Juice 90 (at lower low boost fueling) and Quad 110 were neck and neck...





The 120 Pred sucked though, as didn't really best the 85. Not sure if there was a mix up in the tunes or what. I'm planning to re-run some tests and see. Tests were on different days, but raw and SAE numbers were consistent...

I have to say go with the Quad. I have the 135 and love it. It is in the mail back to Quad for the new tunes. Tuner is easy to use and adds lots of power. If you want cost effective HP go Quad. Also customer service is great. EGT's lower than stock under normal driving. You will need the gauges with anything over 70 hp.

Well if it helps, I have the 135 quad, and it rocks!


I was between the Predator and the Quad when I purchased a little more than 6 mos ago. What made me choose the quad was the low EGT numbers since I didn't have gauges and wasn't planning on purchasing them at the time.


I have been running the quad 135 for 6+ mos (mostly on the 110 setting) w/o guages. I don't tow anything, don't have many hills around, but I do run the pi$$ out of it whenever I feel the need, which is a lot. It'll smoke pretty good when you get into it on the 135 setting, which is a *good* thing. :-) You can fill the little teenie-bopper wind-up cars with smoke at will.


Last week I *finally* installed gauges. I have not been able to get the EGT gauge above 1200 (yet) no matter how hard I try on the 135 setting. I feel better now. However, my clutch (I have the ZF/6) frowns loudly at full throttle w/ 24psi boost in 4th, 5th, & 6th, at least I think it's the clutch...


Oh, BTW, my city mileage increased from 18 to nearly 20.


Hope this helps in making your decision. You can probably find plenty to read (in this forum) about the competition already, so I won't add to the list, besides I like being positive once in a while... :-)


Tim

I'm also trying to decide b/w Quad, Predator, and Edge...


So which is the best towing tuner with respect to enough torque to make it up hills w/o downshifting all the time and good mileage? I'm not looking into racing or upgrading my tranny (auto) any time soon.


BTW, I have 33" tires on a 2001 4x4 CC and pull an 8000# boat frequently.

Edge is my personal favorite, and IMHO the best towing performance, BUT if you want to correct your speedo, you'll have to go to the Predator...

The Quad tuners also correct the speedometer for bigger tires...

The Quad tuners also correct the speedometer for bigger tires...


Not on 2001 models.

I have beeen very happy with both the product and service I have recieved from Quad. Both he and Stan have been very helpful.

Point taken. I'm relatively new to these things. Keep learnin' me!

Hi, I speak from experience when I say stay away from the Diablow Predator. If you want a programmer that is backed up with good customer service - Quad's the clear choice. He's easy to work with, unlike the folks at Diablow.

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This might get deleted but maybe the information in the thread helps you guys out.


http://forum.thedieselpage.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=007515


Quad

John K got 404 from the Stealth 135! That is pretty impressivehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

Price aside, which programmer (Quad or Edge) is better for towing without having to upgrade the Alli?


Does the Edge monitor the tranny for slippage if the Attitude is not used?

Of course I am biased, but I think we will tow better than the Juice. Now with that said the Juice will also tow very well. IT will monitor transmission slipage without the attitude. For towing you should never really exceed 70-90hp levels and for sure never over 110hp so the transmission should be able to handle it no problem.





In terms of low end torque combined with good pulling egt's I think you will be happy towing anyting with the 50-70hp tunes we have and the 90-110hp tunes with the lighter loads..


Get some gauges if you are towing anything heavy. Once you get gauges, you will see that an exhaust would be nice so you could tow in a higher level! Its just like the dope dealer!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif





Quad

John K got 404 from the Stealth 135! That is pretty impressivehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif








Keep in mind that the dyno tests conducted are 100% pedal application, and do not reflect responsiveness...





Additionally the old 4.61 Hot (125HP rated) does 406 and 805 with a smoother curve...

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Keep in mind that the dyno tests conducted are 100% pedal application, and do not reflect responsiveness...





Additionally the old 4.61 Hot (125HP rated) does 406 and 805 with a smoother curve...





I'd be curious to see how the Juice stacks up against the new v1.20 Quad tunes. The difference in low-end responsiveness is vastly different w/ the new Quad tunes. The old tunes didn't do much below 1,800 RPM on my truck.


The new ones feel like a stack in that the truck pulls hard from idle up to 1,800 or so and then pulls hard like the old Quad tunes did from 1,800 on up. Turbo lag is practically nonexistent.


Some folks have even called the new tunes too responsive, but hey, if your not ready to shoot, keep your finger (or foot in this case) off of the trigger. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

So which (Edge or Quad) is more responsive on the lower settings and normal driving (not flooring it...)?


Does Quad monitor the tranny for slippage?

Quad just recently announced a software mod for improved low end performance, so up until recently it's been leaning to Edge's favor.

I would go with the quad if your looking for something that is easy to move the power levels around when towing and playing. we have all modules from everyone and quad seems to keep the egt's nice and cool along with nice torque numbers!!!!!!

So which (Edge or Quad) is more responsive on the lower settings and normal driving (not flooring it...)?


Does Quad monitor the tranny for slippage?








I'd say the Edge has better towing torque with less pedal. It also protects the transmission. Edge is typically the one others try to model against.





I have yet to see anything that I would rather tow with...

edge by far and has none of quads issues

So if I get the Edge/Attitude combo, would I have to install another EGT probe for the Attitude to work properly or could I leave the Attitude's EGT function unused?


I already have Pyro and Boost Autometer gauges installed.

Daver what issues? A little pilot injection? Leave quad alone, I like his tunes, in my experience I've had 1 215 with that pilot injection rattle. it was an early one, an update on the tuner fixed it, no probs since!!!!


especially no PROBLEMS at all with his daily driver average joe tunes!!!!!

I'm still waiting for the 225-235 or whatever it is called.

I just some guys can`t get over their problems.


Hell I could get on here every day and run down The Juice, Because I had a bad experiance with it. This is getting old, everytime I read a post about Quad or the Stealth, a certain person is crying in his Oatmeal.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif

to each there own ........some of us run large tunes as daily drivers..........the pilot rattle on the top 3 higher quad tunes made that unacceptabe along with the surge.........if you want to sound like a powerstroke so be it. If you guys want to sing his praises then do so but Ill offer my opinion as well........despite my personal beliefs about quad the juice is still smoother and offers allison protection and on the higher tunes not that much lower in power than the quad........customer service is unequaled.

matador yes you can leave the egt function unused or install it post turbo in the down pipe.

these are my beliefs based on using these products not some regurgitated summary of others.....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Throw Up.gif Edited by: sdaver

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IF SUPERMAN DOESN'T HAVE IT - IT MUST NOT BE ANY GOOD. EDGES BOXES ARE SO GOOD THEY WONT COME ON HERE TO TALK ABOUT IT.


How do you know their not here ?? Trust me their here ...


What's to talk about ?? Edge is a supporting vendor and there banner has a direct link to Tech support ...





Mac

they don't have to come here in person....product speaks for itself......take me up on my offer......I have tried lots and wasted some major dollars doing so ...... or.....Run what YOU like and be happy......dave

the tts is also a very smooth a powerful product and Steves customer service is right there with edges.......his offers tire calibration increased rev limiter/speed limiter unequaled tow program and 120 rwhp race program that excedes his advertising. The extreme is a the most powerful single box out there that I have runEdited by: sdaver

Boss says Superchips is a bit "pingy" or "rattly" when you roll on it going up small grades. I'll try to drive it tomorrow.





Dave,


When you come up to dyno I have a ECM for you to try.


P.S. Tolja so on all the odds/ends you bought/sold...

I could supply my own swap meethttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

You should see my goodie box...