Now that I've had a couple days to drive two of these, I'll give my impressions, FWIW.


Initially installed 90HP tune -- On first cold start, the engine LOPED a lot! About a 600 RPM lope. I revved it a few times and it seemed to settle down. Idle was MUCH quieter. Subsequent restarts also loped, but not nearly as bad and it has largely stopped now after two days. This tune is really responsive off idle. So much so that I have to relearn how to drive it to be smooth. Also, I did not choose to have the tranny relearn. BIG mistake! Even though I had been running the old 90HP tune, the 2-3 and 3-4 shifts were very sloppy with the new tune and the engine would rev about 500 RPM between shifts. I reloaded the tune and said yes to relearn and it is getting better. The transmission still isn't shifting perfectly, but it is not revving like it was. Only 11k on the truck and it has not been run hard, so the tranny should be in good shape.


70HP tune -- I hated this setting with the old tunes (I had v1.06). It was noisy and the power came on in a burst, not smooth at all. This tune is also very quiet at idle. The power flows smoothly and I may use this tune (wouldn't consider it before) for daily driving. I need more time with it though.


That's it, I haven't tried the other tunes yet, but probably will over the next week and will leave additional comments here.

I reloaded the tune and said yes to relearn and it is getting better. The transmission still isn't shifting perfectly, but it is not revving like it was.





Said yes to relearn??? Is this an option I missed in my Quad box?

I think it is new to v1.20, v1.06 did not have it.

Mine isnt very driveable in the 135 mode like it was in ver.1.06. The power comes on right off idle and the pedal is real jerky,once you get it up too speed its fine but around town its too jerky. Im not real happy with the new 135,I think it needs some pedal taken out to be smooth again.....

Silvermax:


That sounds like the 90HP tune, but amplified. It too, is very sensitive right off idle. I can live with it, but I have to teach my right foot to be a little easier on the go pedal.

Oh, I forgot to add that the DIC is completely useless now. With v1.06 it was off, but useable in the 90HP tune. Now with v1.20 it is hopelessly off (like showing 46 MPG at a steady 70 MPH cruise). Too bad, I like the info the DIC shows, even if it was flawed. I could at least mentally compensate for the relatively small deviations from reality.

Oh, I forgot to add that the DIC is completely useless now. With v1.06 it was off, but useable in the 90HP tune. Now with v1.20 it is hopelessly off (like showing 46 MPG at a steady 70 MPH cruise). Too bad, I like the info the DIC shows, even if it was flawed. I could at least mentally compensate for the relatively small deviations from reality.





Maybe your fuel mileage increased that dramactically. http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

I reloaded the tune and said yes to relearn and it is getting better. The transmission still isn't shifting perfectly, but it is not revving like it was.





Said yes to relearn??? Is this an option I missed in my Quad box?








Newest revisions have trans learn function. Unfortunately, it snuck up on me and I hit yes. Now I get to wait for the civility to return.





Mine pulsed/loped on the 135 as well...

Not in my V1.19. Guess I'll make a phone call tomorrow. It's a very cool function to have. I'm suprised Quad didn't let us know about it.

Not in my V1.19. Guess I'll make a phone call tomorrow. It's a very cool function to have. I'm suprised Quad didn't let us know about it.


I would wait just a little bit longer..........Trippin..........there may be a few more surprises coming from QUAD. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif


Maybe he will tell.........maybe he won't.


I know some things............I am waiting a little longer myself.


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Oh man! "Instant Gratification" is my middle name. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


I'll take your advise! It's always been good.

Max Power:


Well, I haven't refueled and calculated it yet, so there is hope...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif





GMC-2002-Dmax:


Hmmm, you have piqued my curiosity. Since castle Quadenstein is close by, I can always pop in for an update...provided they are free or really cheap.

Mine isnt very driveable in the 135 mode like it was in ver.1.06. The power comes on right off idle and the pedal is real jerky,once you get it up too speed its fine but around town its too jerky. Im not real happy with the new 135,I think it needs some pedal taken out to be smooth again.....





The loping is the things that has bothered me the most. We ran this on a lot of trucks and some lope, some didn't and it always seemed to be when it was cold and then went away almost immediately. It seems after 1-2 days it quits completely. I know the fuel system can't learn but there is a memory for the fuel tables and I am thinking that we confuse it a little when it is cold.





There is a couple of cool "features" we are working on right now, but I would prefer to leave it at that. It has nothing to do with performance or how the truck runs, but it will allow you to have more fun!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif If we get it finished it will be a free upgrade.





We are also working on a non-free upgrade but it will be a little while coming.


While I am at it, the LLY runs really, really good with the proper program in it!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif





The touchy pedal can be changed really easy, but so far everyone prefers it a little on the touchy side, just FYI it is not Diablo touchy. If it is a severe problem for your truck I will see what I can do for you, but like I said everyone else (that has given us feedback) likes the responce.





If I missed something let me know. Been really busy with the new toys!


Quad

I had version 1.04 and could not take the poor shifting in the 70 tune and the DIC was not even close. I ran in the 90 tune and the trans shifted great and the DIC was only about 1.2 MPG off. I now have the 1.20 version and although the off idle response is great I prefer the 1.04 version. I will say I am really glad Quad is continueing to work on these tunes and I believe he will find the happy medium for those of us who just want a little more everyday power. I am sure it is hard for Quad to make both types of people happy, meaning, the racers and the people like me. All in all I am very happy with the tuner and the sevice from Quad and his guys.

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All in all I am very happy with the tuner and the sevice from Quad and his guys also. But I think I like the 1.06 smoothness better than this 1.20,quad how long before the Cool features shows up? Im going to back down to the 110 this morning and see how it runs.

It is possible that the PCM will "learn" or adjust to the new parameters, BUT I think the guys with injectors may have more grief.

JK,


Please explain, "guys with injectors," are you referring to bad injectors causing some of the dissatisfaction being expressed about these new tunes?

performance injectors

Quote//Quadzilla There is a couple of cool "features" we are working on right now, but I would prefer to leave it at that. It has nothing to do with performance or how the truck runs, but it will allow you to have more fun!http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big%20Smile.gif If we get it finished it will be a free upgrade.





How long before we get to hear what the "new" cool features are? I tried the 70 tune and it was alittle better but it lacks the get up and go.

It is possible that the PCM will "learn" or adjust to the new parameters, BUT I think the guys with injectors may have more grief.











I do not think they will have a problem, because these new tunes actually went to a lot of people with injectors on the first go, before they were released. It seems the colder the temp the worse it is and after a few days it goes away.


I will let youin on what the new cool stuff is when I know I can get it to work! I try to never tell you I am going to do something when I am not sure it can be done or not. Edited by: hoot

I think I will wait for the up coming update before I send my box in. I am looking forward to the much more responsive pedel. (I like the off the line feel of the Predator)


I just hope I don`t have to wait into late spring. Help us out Quad, give us an idea what you are trying, even if it don`t pan out.

heres a carrot from another satisfied carotzilla customer:


Roofeditor from another site wrote "If you WANT a Quad box you will become real friendly with Alvin (Quad)
but if you have a problem with your QUAD box you will speak with Sarah 20 times and Quad will drop off the earth. After 5 Quad boxes, I'm pretty sure I know what I'm talking about.

2003 Green 6.0 EX, 2003 White 6.0 EX, 2003 Black Dodge
Cummins HO, bunch of DT-466's, (2) 3208 Cats in the boat, and (2) Lycoming 540's in the plane. Both 6.0's have a Quad box and AFE filter, but the Green 6.0 Quad box is down and won't even start the truck and the White Quad box works in the 70 mode but the de-limit device does not work!!! Want to call? I'm in the book.


thank you sir would you like another

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif Seems as though most of these diesel sites have 2 things in common, for one all of the trucks use diesel and for 2 someones always bitching about quads products or service.

I had some difficulty gettin responses from Quad early on but that has not been a problem ever since. In fact, he more than made up for any early misunderstanding about a non-existent 150 hp tune update for the 110.


I just checked my Quad provided ups tracking and my updated 165 will be here tomorrow morning. I don't have performance injectors so I'll post how the new tunes do on my truck after I've had a chance to run them a bit.

Run the 135 tune because the updated 165 tune is not out yet... I'm curious if your pedal is as touchy as mine in the 135 tune.

Ouch !!!!!!!!!!!



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Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

no fuel supply problems.........rattle and surge went unmentionedhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif gosh you still can read there?

no fuel supply problems.........rattle and surge went unmentionedhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif gosh you still can read there?


Only to keep an Eye on you ....


I could go diggen some more archives before a Jim-bo purge.... I'm carefull only to grab what I paid for .... He heee he he !!!!





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

heres a carrot from another satisfied carotzilla customer:


Roofeditor from another site wrote "If you WANT a Quad box you will become real friendly with Alvin (Quad)
but if you have a problem with your QUAD box you will speak with Sarah 20 times and Quad will drop off the earth. After 5 Quad boxes, I'm pretty sure I know what I'm talking about.

2003 Green 6.0 EX, 2003 White 6.0 EX, 2003 Black Dodge
Cummins HO, bunch of DT-466's, (2) 3208 Cats in the boat, and (2) Lycoming 540's in the plane. Both 6.0's have a Quad box and AFE filter, but the Green 6.0 Quad box is down and won't even start the truck and the White Quad box works in the 70 mode but the de-limit device does not work!!! Want to call? I'm in the book.


thank you sir would you like another

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif Seems as though most of these diesel sites have 2 things in common, for one all of the trucks use diesel and for 2 someones always bitching about quads products or service.








When you sell as much as we do you will always have someone that can't be satisfied. There are two types of unsatisfied customers in this new world.


1.) Those that contact us, tell us the problem and either get their money back, or get their problem solved.


2.) The people that mistake the internet for some way to get something for nothing or to try and do as much damage as possible. Granted if enough people whine and moan and yell and they have any merit whatsoever it can be a problem. This guy is one of two people at www.thedieselstop.com (http://www.thedieselstop.com) that cannot be satisfied. The other is his buddy who recieved a refund.


I see no need to go dig up post on people here because it is obvious that there are a couple of people who do not like me....at least anymore. Most of them are the people that you do more for than the average person. It always seem in this world the more you help people the more they stab you in the back. Look at the US for example, every country we have helped or rebuilt hates us!





Now for good ol Richard (roofeditor) Let me let you in on a little of what is going on so you readers can have a good laugh!





Here it goes:


First, I have offerd Richard his money back multiple times, even hear on the forums, heck I think in this thread??? Second as far as I know he hasn't called or sent his stuff in for warranty? Third if I am not hear we have several people that can handle whatever situation at hand.

So to recap, he buys the old modules. Price shops hard, but I gave hime a smoking deal. After all he seemed to be a super guys and nice to talk to. He love thems (read early posts) gets awesome fuel mileage and is very happy. WE relase a new module with a speed de-limiter built in. I talk to him and tell them these are totally different and can't really be upgraded. He is a little disappointed, but then he has problem with one of the modules. Well I decided what the heck he has been a nice guy and a good customer so I not only replace his box that is not working wi

I think I will wait for the up coming update before I send my box in. I am looking forward to the much more responsive pedel. (I like the off the line feel of the Predator)


I just hope I don`t have to wait into late spring. Help us out Quad, give us an idea what you are trying, even if it don`t pan out.


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Yea Quad give us an idea even if it doesnt pan out.. whatcha up too? In cab boost control?

I wiped out a few posts. Left the accusation and the response.

Just keeping the topic on topic without too much encroachment.

hoot

I have been running the 70 tune for awhile and it feels good and smooth,going to try the 110 out again this afternoon on a few of my arrands to see if its acting any better. hope it has learned the new programing.

The touchy pedal can be changed really easy, but so far everyone prefers it a little on the touchy side





Yes! The touchy pedal is a *good* thing.

Yea I agree to some point but when your in town and you barely touch the pedal and it jumps and spins the tires and when you don't want it too,thats not good ot what I want,v 1.06 didnt do that,yes its nice to have it there if you want it but right off idle?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif Edited by: silvermax

Yea I agree to some point but when your in town and you barely touch the pedal and it jumps and spins the tires and when you don't want it too,thats not good ot what I want,v 1.06 didnt do that,yes its nice to have it there if you want it but right off idle?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif





I was tired of hearing that we only knew how to tune for racing and that we did not know how to make torque. Now YOU GOT TORQUE! And you have it instantly.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif You just better be careful or you might rip the gooseneck out of your bed!


Like I said, I will change what I need to, but the responce we have been getting has been thumbs up.


I think if you give it some time you will find that it might grow on you.

Wow, mine was never *that* touchy. I am waiting to get my tuner back so I will be curious to see how different it is (I was running v1.16). Version 1.16 definitely required some throttle control, but I was running the 135 hp tune on icy roads in 2wd -- I did have to backpedal a bit at around 1800 rpm, but it was definitely driveable (and quite fun). I could see where it might be a bit more challenging with the Allison though.


What RPM would you say the v1.20 starts come alive at?

What RPM would you say the v1.20 starts come alive at?





When you start it!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Yes I echo that it starts when you crank it,at 1500 LOOK OUT cause its instant torque.The truck leaps forward even if you tryin to "baby it".thats the part I dont like.but I'll try it some more to see if I get used to it but if I can't you can take alittle pedal out right Quad?

I think I will wait for the up coming update before I send my box in. I am looking forward to the much more responsive pedel. (I like the off the line feel of the Predator)


I just hope I don`t have to wait into late spring. Help us out Quad, give us an idea what you are trying, even if it don`t pan out.


\


Yea Quad give us an idea even if it doesnt pan out.. whatcha up too? In cab boost control?





I would like to see a 250hp tune, that doesn't add too much fuel until the boost is over 5psi, so it can be driven on this setting every day. Why should I have to stack an Edge to my Quad when I'm sure he can figure out how to squeez out a little more from the stock fuel system.


It would also be great to have the real time diag without having to buy a Predator.


But the best thing anyone could offer (in software) would be control of the shift RPM and TC lockup.


Any of these in the game plan?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifEdited by: Amric

Ok I got my tuner back today and loaded up the 110 tune.


First of all -- no injector or diesel rattle noise! It sounds *stock* at all RPMs.


It is certainly stronger than stock under 1,800 RPM and quite a bit more than before, but it still begins building most of its torque around 1,800 RPM like the older version I had (v1.16). That is where the similarities end, however. What used to be a surge of power accompanied with injector noise (from 1,800 - 2000 RPM) is now a quiet, smooth, steady increase of power -- and alot of power indeed for a 110 tune. It's so smooth it is deceiving. The pedal seems less touchy than before, but with even more power at all RPM levels. I am really looking forward to trying the rest of the tunes -- so far I am *REALLY* liking the upgrade.


silvermax:


Not sure why my truck is so different, could be the manual, or dually, or some other subtle difference (I have heard trucks vary quite a bit, but frankly I never believed it).


Do you still get any injector noise with new version?

It could be the manual and the way you come off the clutch or something. I still have injector noise in the 110,it rattles pretty good,but its making power so its gonna be louder,that doesn't bother me,its the way its right off idle. Maybe it just takes some gettin used too.....

It could be the manual and the way you come off the clutch or something. I still have injector noise in the 110,it rattles pretty good,but its making power so its gonna be louder,that doesn't bother me,its the way its right off idle. Maybe it just takes some gettin used too.....


I am driving a full gear higher now. Third, fifth, and sixth are pretty much the only gears I use now in traffic along with only 1/8 to 1/4 pedal -- anything more gets a bit sporty http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif You can't just mash the pedal in traffic -- that's for sure.


I do seem to be getting 45+ mpg now, but I'll have to confirm this at the pump. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif That's the only negative side effect I have discovered, but well worth the trade off if you ask me.

After a couple more days on the 90HP tune, I have to say I am liking it! Yeah, the pedal is touchy, and yeah the DIC is useless, but this feels like a smaller truck.


What did he say? Well, Car and Driver used to talk about the small, sporty cars they liked as being able to 'point and squirt' in traffic. That is, steer, squirt the gas to her, and manuever at will. Well, I can do that with this truck now. Doing 60MPH and need to be doing 80 to merge? Just squeeze a little on the throttle and you'll be doing 80MPH+ in a flash. Gaining 10MPH without kicking down the tranny is just a right foot twitch away. The power is there, all the time, above 1500 RPM. Mine still lopes about three times on a cold soak start, but then settles right out.


My tranny is relearning quickly and the shifts are much firmer after the relearn. I sure wouldn't want to try to tow on this tune as it is twitchy still, but it is fun to drive at anything over 30 MPH! Someday I will try the 50HP tune, but I don't know when.

I tried the 50HP tune today and to tell the truth, I can't tell much difference from the v1.06 tune.


No lope on cold soak start, noisy, or at least noisier than the 70 and 90HP tunes. No twitchy throttle. The power does come in a bit earlier. I guess you could call this more refined than v1.06, but the differences are subtle. I'd call it a wash.

Max Power:


Dang it! The DIC lied to me! I only got 17.15 MPG, not 46 MPG with this new 90HP tune. Of course that is mixed city/highway driving and I, er, sampled the power fairly frequently,,,