I have been reading about limping w/edg chip.My bullydog will defuel "BEFORE" any slippage occurs, i have seen were edge will backdown when 6% slippage occurs, thats alot.Cant see why people hammer on bullydog when its a better chip, In (Protecting the tranny) and in egt's

Is your chip telepathic? If not it's still relying on the input and output sensors of the tranny.

Is your chip telepathic? If not it's still relying on the input and output sensors of the tranny.

:lol: :agreed:

WEll............Mabe, it shows 1% as im loosing h.p in 5th on a high tune,but it has shown 1% before i got my chip, my brother in laws truck is a 05 duramax w/edge and his will show 4-6% before backdown on level 5.

If your chip is truely protecting your trans from slip BEFORE it happens then you need a refund. If that's true, then you are getting defueled to near STOCK numbers and not getting the performance enhancement that you paid for or expected. Not very bully of a dog, if you ask me.

If your chip is truely protecting your trans from slip BEFORE it happens then you need a refund. If that's true, then you are getting defueled to near STOCK numbers and not getting the performance enhancement that you paid for or expected. Not very bully of a dog, if you ask me.

WHAT?????? its called 'PROTECTION" it will not defuel only if im running it perty hard, Im just stating that it will protect the tranns better than the edge, as to i see it on my brothers monitor slippage!!!

I run the Bullydog and would never badmouth a Edge before using it in the same truck. I think we all agree that the slip gage are a guide and just that (reference only), I would bet they all are a little different! If you watch that gage when your going through the gears your going to get no data thats worth a dam ( and run off the road!). I use it when locked up in 5th only. I see up to a 2% flickering on a occasion and it's not slipping per my RPMs at all. that's in all power levels!

...slip slidin' away...

Sorry....that song just poped into my head as I was reading this...

When my transmission was stock, there was nothing else that would actively monitor and protect the transmission like the Juice would.

2 years later maybe things have changed

Banks and VA did too juice didnt they;)

The only true safety feature to keep your trans and your motor together are located right between the drivers ears. If your relying on some computer wonder widget to take complete controll and responsibility for your actions
1. Kerry lost the election, take the bumpersticker off your truck
2. Mike L's number is 310 674 4400, you will need it sooner or latter

Unless its a psycic chip that knows when your going to over power your trans for something to back down the power becasue of trany slip IT MUST FISRT SEE SLIP!

Edit: After rereading my above post I can see how someone would take personal offense. I appologize and didnt mean anything by it. Sometimes my smartassed sarcastic nature gets the best of me and people take it as a personal shot. I do stand behind the statment that there needs to be slip for it to sense it and back down and that the best safety(like a gun) is between ones ears.

Not bad mouthing edge,at all!!! Mabe i should have said that it takes edge to slip more than the bullydog before defuel, seems to me they would have it defuel on it 1%-2%, on the monitor,for the edge it shows it backing down around 6% slip.

What settings are you running on each?

If your running a BullyDog downloader that changes the entire fuel map as oppose to the Edge plug and play that does not you will certainly do more damages with the BullyDog.

Edge is very well know to have defuel shifts and have changed somewhat to accommodate the user.BullyDog has never had any type of defuel that I'm aware.Something new?

In saying that I will say both being ran in top levels is more than the stock Allison will take.But in Power safe levels I would give the Edge Juice thumbs up for less abusive on the Stock Allison,simply for the way it makes it's power by following the stock ECM fuel maps.

Were both running on the highest settings, im not running a programmer, im running the dyno domminator chip. First off my truck defuels on all shifts and no it does not have that function like the edge, i think its programmed in the chip to do that,but my truck will defuel faster on slipage than the edge will.

IIRC doesn't the duramax defuel itself?

IIRC doesn't the duramax defuel itself?

Pretty much.

Were both running on the highest settings, im not running a programmer, im running the dyno domminator chip. First off my truck defuels on all shifts and no it does not have that function like the edge, i think its programmed in the chip to do that,but my truck will defuel faster on slipage than the edge will.

Probably seeing more slip,because the Edge is making more power.Sorry for the confusion as to what you were running but the information given is correct for the most part.

Bottom line both can be detrimental to transmission life being ran at the highest HP setting,beware.

Were both running on the highest settings, im not running a programmer, im running the dyno domminator chip. First off my truck defuels on all shifts and no it does not have that function like the edge, i think its programmed in the chip to do that,but my truck will defuel faster on slipage than the edge will.

What does the "box" part of this dyno dominator chip look like and how do you switch levels?

This is one of the most rediculous posts I have read.

By the time it sees the slip, THE SLIP HAS OCCURREED.........:eek:

Too Late,

You just lost some holding power.

:cool:

Mackin, My chip, has "170" hp edge is "125" hp (I think)

Kennedy, its a square box w/wires coming out of it, and i control the power by the outlook monitor. if you want to see what it looks like go to bullydog, but i think you know what it looks like, cuz you have talked about it on thread here.

My point is that my chip will defuel the motor when it detects slippage, faster than the edge does. 4-6% "BEFORE BACKDOWN" is a lot and thats my point, again i should have worded it different.

IIRC doesn't the duramax defuel itself?

Yup, in fact I have found the defuel settings on my Edge to be pretty useless because of this. You can program the Edge not to defuel and the stock ECM does it anyway.

Let me translate for Mike :)


If you believe the BD is rated at 170 at the RW thats fine but I'm skeptical.The Edge is at the top of the gains with plug and play and a Hot Juice with a built transmission has repeatedly put down 185 HP at the rears over stock.Some have seen 200 HP.

Your seeing more slip because there is MORE power,neither box in the highest settings offer any protection better or worse.So it's mute thinking one is better than the other in this area,sorry to say.It's still slipping!


Put a built transmission behind the Duramax and you will be blown away when you discover how much power you are losing!

Cheers.

Mackin, My chip, has "170" hp edge is "125" hp (I think)

Kennedy, its a square box w/wires coming out of it, and i control the power by the outlook monitor. if you want to see what it looks like go to bullydog, but i think you know what it looks like, cuz you have talked about it on thread here.

My point is that my chip will defuel the motor when it detects slippage, faster than the edge does. 4-6% "BEFORE BACKDOWN" is a lot and thats my point, again i should have worded it different.

Bully Dog has slapped the Dyno Dominator name on numerous boxes. Just wanted to make sure it is now on what they call their own product.

As stated numerous times here, you need to HAVE a slip before you can detect it. You may have better results with the Bully Dog (guys please don't abbreviate as BD that is a different company) then it is likely not making as much power.

I've run the Edge past the slip point on the dyno before (Edge is VERY under rated in power) and it typically reigns in the power in 4th gear with a very brief slip followed by reduced power for the rest of the test. I've also used unmanaged race boxes on the same stock trans and it blows the trans away much worse until RPM's come up.


BTW, we are starting to hear from Banks guys limping their trans as well. People look at these "tow safe in all levels" claims (Hypertech) as pretty great, and the claims are often true. Thing is, the power/TQ is simply not there in the big tunes and MUCH lower in the small tunes as many tune primarily for pedal to the metal which keeps the torque suppressed...

Kennedy,
Your right about bully dog using different box, i have seen V.A box on there duramax,w/bullydog label. But this one i have is bully dog made.

Mackin,
My chip is last years model when they were pumping them up to 170-200 hp, now there at 135 hp. my wifes cousin, husband has the same set up on his 04 powerstroke, and i have never seen a 4x4 diesel burn out!!! in 4 wheel drive, he has 295 bfg's his truck, it is realy fast and all he has done is have bully dog tweak his chip. Now im not bashing edge and i should have worded it different, it seems like it lets it slip more than it should before back down occurs. And yes your right about "Has to slip before it can defuel" mine seems to do it sooner than my brother edge!!

Edge is a good chip and does put out some serious hp, and has a lot of funtions i like, but it seems to slip a little more than my bullydog "before backdown" thats all i realy meant to say, and to me (Not an expert on trannys) its doing a little more damage to the clutches, than the bullydog.

As stated numerous times here, you need to HAVE a slip before you can detect it. You may have better results with the Bully Dog (guys please don't abbreviate as BD that is a different company) then it is likely not making as much power.


I think John Kennedy explained it best. If you were to dyno the two,you would come to the same conclusion.

Keep the power down until your ready to upgrade your Allison is the only advice I can offer.

I believe you aren't getting the protection or better off as I have said.