Let me tell you .......hurricanes are not all bad. My friend from the land of fruits and nuts (????) decided it would be better to leave norfolk Va(there for work) and visit His friend in Alabama than ride out the storm. We shared some good ole dreamland barbque and a great evening at the drag strip. We stacked and tried everything. Here are the results. All runs were made in 4 hi with approximately 5-8 psi of boost.

We got a little carried away and forgot to make a run with just the stealth.(sorry Quad)

However the stealth and the tst on level o and 6 te yeilded a 8.852.

The same stack on level 1 and te 6 yielded a 8.623.

The same stack on level 1 and te 6 plus propane yeilded a 8.617.


Then we stacked the comp juice and the stealth 215 this yeilded 8.539.

The final run of the evening was my 02 duramax vs a 03 ford cobra 32 valve supercharged and here is the time sheet. For this run we stacked comp juice with the stealth 215 and a healthy shot of propane.


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My duramax time was on the left
Needless to say the guy in the mustang got his feelings hurt....the names at the top of the slip were on all slips they were the guys runnning the test and tune nite.

The motor was as quiet or as quieter than stock with this stack and the suncoast tranny handled all of this power without missing a beat. What a great testiment to joe's work at suncoast. The weight of the truck and driver was approx 7250lbs(no tail gate or spare)
Dave
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I am not too firmiliar with 1/8 mile times. Do you have any idea how these times would be reflected as 1/4 mile times? We do not have an 1/8 mile track around here.

Nice! Sounded like fun. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

That would be around a 13.1 1/4 mile run.

Amric


The standard conversion for 1/8 times to 1/4 mile times is as follows


1/8mile ET/.64= 1/4 mile ET





8.392/.64 = 13.1125

I don't know if the standard conversion would work here. but I guess it's pretty close. He has been cutting some 1.6 sec 60 ft times and that's pretty darn quick for a 13 sec 1/4 isn't it? Then again he has the aerodynamics of a brick to deal with alsohttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

a64pilot


The conversion's are all based upon cars so all they do is get you in the ballpark. Last night we were out at our local 1/8 mile track and ran 7.945 @ 87.34 in our Duramax. So that figures to a 12.414 1/4 mile but when I compared our times with a freind's Dodge we ran almost identical 1/8 mile times to his 12.15 1/4 mile runs. Do I think we will run 12.15 or 12.414? Until you get it down the track noone every truely knows!

At 7.9 you could be close to a 12.1 since you are in 2wd and fairly light. In a 4x4 CC 7.9 is more like a 12.40-12.50. This is just from what we have seen. Also 1/8 mile doesn't allow you to make up for bad 60' times like a 1/4 mile does.





QUad

Quad


Since we have added 500 lbs and seen no change in our times your argument about 2 wd and lite is bunk! The 4wd guys run 1.6 - 1.7 60' times and our best to date is 1.826. The difference in weight is more than made up by the advantage the 4wd gets you in the 60' times! Leaving the line at 8 - 10 psi (4wd) Vs 3 - 4(2wd) is huge in the 1/4 mile! Also the Dodge we compared to is a 4wd so I guess that means we should be running 11.8x by your numbers. Not bad for just a computer tune, exhaust and tires

The traction of a 4x4 launch would help a great deal in the 1/8 mile, but the weight of the 4x4 would hurt in the 1/4. So with that said, the 4x2 should be able to make up a lot of ground in the 2nd 1/8 mile of a 1/4 mile run.


Not only does a 4x4 weigh several hundred pounds more then a 4x2, it will have a whole lot more drag if 4 wheel drive is being used. And on top of that, the 4x4 will need lots more power to power 4 tires instead of just 2.

Hdmax


I disagree with your logic from the standpoint that, what we have done is added 500 lbs to the 2 wd truck and raced the exact same times as without the weight in the truck at the 1/4 mile track! The 500 lbs is the difference between a 4wd and 2wd. I agree that it takes more to turn the 4wd than the 2wd but I feel the advantage of the 4wd in the first 60' and the higher boost more than makes up for the losses in the 4wd.


Consider this, our 2wd suffers from bad wheel spin if we try to launch with more than 3 - 4 psi, so we have to make the boost as we go down the track. A 4wd on the other hand leaves at 8 - 10 psi and is upto full boost much sooner. Now if we can get the wheel spin out of the 2wd and launch at 8 - 10 psi like the 4wd guys I feel there will be and advantage to the 2wd but were not there yet. Right now our truck feels like a low to mid 12 sec ride but until we have the time slips to prove it, it's just bench racing. Current best 1/4 mile is 12.78 and current best 1/8 mile is 7.94.

Unless the 500 lbs is giving you better starting traction, it will slow you down. 500 lbs is 500lbs. More weight will always slow the vehicle down if the power stays the same, unless traction changes. (which with a 4x2 that just might be the answer)

hdmax


I think you've missed my point, we added the weight and saw no difference in times. What that tells me is that we have more than enough power to pull the additional weight but that we cannot get the traction to get it moving. So by launching softer and rolling into it cost us more than the losses in a 4wd. Since the motor is going through the lights at 3400 - 3500 it's about all done at that point. The internal backpressure at those RPM's is quite high and rising quicker than the intake pressure. To run higher RPM's we need to replace the turbine housing to lower the internal backpressure numbers but right now we are doing everything on a stock truck. After we've finished with this we may modify things like the air cleaner, turbo and add some NOS. Then it becomes a modified truck and we will see where we can get with that.

don't forget a 4wd truck has more hp loss thru the transfer case, front axle and front wheels There's more to it than just the extra weight. With the same hp and weight a 4wd truck will have a slower mph than a 2wd truck but the 4wd truck will have a better 60' time than the 2wd truck.

i saw 1 mph difference between a 2 wd pass and a 4x4 pass. This is taking my roght foot of the brake and then stepping on the gas, when the light went green. Both passes were in the 14 second range

sdaver,


Good way to top off the evening!

Come on everyone lets take up a collection for Steve so he can buy a 4x4 and quit whining.

I launch at idle. 0 psi of boost. I avg 1.95 60's If I lauch harder I can cut 1.8x's, but I break about every third pass. I have too much power to launch.


If you add 500 lbs and run the same times you are doing something wrong? I can see a variation in et with minor changes and it is consistent. I can remove the spare tire and tailgate, or run with different weight of fuel and I can see et cahnges every time. Maybe not huge differences, but it does change.


I am not just in 4x4. I am on 285/75/18's in a 4dr with all the options. I have no idea what it weighs and I don't care. If I weigh more I simply need more power to go faster than a lighter truck. The truck we use is like the majority of everyone elses trucks. It is driven daily, its comfortable, I tow our campers with it, and I can haul several people with me. I have no idea what your truck is and it doesn't matter, but weight is weight. Also teh more options you have the more weight you get. It is small but again weight is weight.


Now 4x4 has an advantage off the line in most cases, but not always. I have no desire to run slicks on my daily driver. In 2wd the truck is not manageable. If we ever get the suspension right, yes then we should have an advatage in the first 60'.


Now from 60; foward there is less mass in motion on a 2wd. In 2wd you should always get more mph. I saw an example of 1 mph for some. WE can run 3 mph faster in 2wd and almost 1 sec slower. Maybe your truck is different but I think you will find across the board give the same power and the same 60' a 2wd will always be faster. It takes more power to move more weight, especially when you have double the rotating mass.


I am not a drag racing expert, but I have made a few passes and done a little bit of testing. I also have a small amount of experience racing other forms as well.


All in all if you are in the 12's you are doing great in a diesel. A couple of years ago it was almost impossible. Technology is definately catching up and the trucks will go faster and faster.


I would kill for 1.6x 60' times right now.

Cpmac


I'm not whining just stating the facts!


Our truck varys about .1 sec run to run so if it's within that window I call it a wash. Our 12.78 run was with 7/8 tank of fuel and the truck had everything in place, spare tire, tailgate, laptop computer, Tech II, tools ect. on ET street tires with the additional weight we ran 12.85. The truck is fully loaded with options except leather interior and it's used as a work truck every day, towing ,hauling or what ever is needed.


"especially when you have double the rotating mass"


I donot know how you figured this but your wrong.


"I would kill for 1.6x 60' times right now."


You and some of the rest of us too!


The main reason for drag racing the truck is to put the transmission and converter upgrade through more abuse than most people would ever do in a lifetime. It proves out our products and sometimes shows what needs to be modified the hard way!

If you want to hurt the tranny you need to pull something. Something really heavy. Drag racing can hurt them, but only if you have enough power.





Does transgo want to see how tough there tranny is? Send me one.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

"to hurt the tranny you need to pull something"


We've already done that with no problemshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif





"Drag racing can hurt them, but only if you have enough power."


Well when you make enough power to catch us maybe I'll send you one.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

you guys make the power, then release the power and let some of us be the judge..........http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif dave

Some of us dont mind some darwinism.....Ive done it with every other vehicle I have had from seadoos, to motorcycles and jeeps..why should this be any differenthttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif Edited by: sdaver

To be honest.......


I just want to know what modules Steve is using to get the 500hp. I remember him telling me on the phone that it was impossible to get that much power without moding the fuel system. I even remember him throwing around a few names and how those people have posted their dyno numbers and calling them liars.....just curious how he is doing it........


By the way Dave, your links don't work.Edited by: BIG DIPPER

I will really start trying to catch you, I mean 12.78 geez I just wish.....man I guess everyone can dream right?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif





I guess I will never get there since I have a stock fuel system right? Maybe if I buy a pusher pump? Maybe when I get my turbo I can get 500hp??





I have released mine......

Big Dipper


I have told everyone the fuel system needs to be checked. Some are better some are worse. I donot recall calling anyone a liar, but I donot believe everything I read on the internet. The only module as you call it is our Xtreme PowerLoader.

.....and with this xtreme powerloader, you can achieve 500 at the wheels? These are not the numbers you gave me on the phone. You said your new program, which I guess is this extreme thing, you could only get 430 on the dyno.........I asked if stacking the Duramaximizer was of any benefit on this program and you said you were already raising rail pressure that it would be useless. You said there wasn't enough fuel for any more hp.


Edited by: BIG DIPPER

Steve's problem is he thinks he's the only one that can do anything. He told me he didn't believe I could make the power I was on 2 different dyno's because he couldn't. I asked him to send me something to run of his and since I told him I wouldn't be using his product alone if it didn't produce better than what I had he simply forgot about me. I'm imagine if he wanted to take the time he possibly could come up with the hp others are making but the simple facts are even if he did nobody else would be able to get one. Just ask John K. he had as much trouble trying to get a loader for his customers as I did trying to get one for myself. The main point is no matter what TTS products comes up with it will only be on one truck so who cares about that.


s

Cpmac


I see you are now changeing colors again, do I dare repeat your comments you made to me about John K........ it seem's you like to blow with the wind. I will not sell a product and tell people it's fine to use when I know it's not. I also will not sell a product until it ready to be sold as we donot need the problems. As far as makeing power that was easy and done long ago, but we continued and developted the upgrades necessary to run the power and get it too the ground, something no one else has donehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif





Big Dipper


You must have misunderstood me as we have never raised rail pressure on any PowerLoader. What I did say is that adding the Duramaximizer or Juice was of no benifit on the Xtreme program. I have also repeatly said the fuel system needs to be tested prior to using the Xtreme PowerLoader.

can the fuel system be tested with stock programming?Edited by: mtomac

Go ahead Steve. If it is something I actually said I don't care who hears it. But if you put words in my mouth we'll have more of a problem than we do now.


I also don't know why you keep acting like I wanted the extreme program only. Sure I would have liked to of had it but at the time I would've took the regular version and you knew that.


And Steve at least one person has done the work to get the power to the ground. ME I can get the power to the ground better than anyone. And that is an undisputable fact.Edited by: CPMac

, but I donot believe everything I read on the internet.





I don't either....you have proof of 12.7x???


I have proof of at least that and you have seen it.


You never believe anyone, you are always right, you always have the most power, yet you have the most smoke and mirrors of anyone. What gives?

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Quad


The proof for the 12.78 runs will be in the December issue of Peterson 4 Wheel and Offroad and again when the Car Craft issue comes out. Since they were at the track event along with the Car Craft people. I've got no proof of you running anything close to that and if we go by your performance with the Ford in Kentucky there is more than a few people that were present and all said you were running propane and you refused to let anyone look under the hood when you were called on it! Since your getting big on telling the truth why not tell everyone where you buy your products from........ BullyDog who intern buys from Van Akken. Van Akken paid RaceLogic to develop the product and has exclusive rights to them. I believe lots of people you just donot happen to be one of them!


Mtomac


No the fuel system cannot be tested with a stock program as it will always check fine at that fuel delivery level.


CPMac


It appears as though your happy with what you have, so keep it, but why then do you continue to call and try to get ahold of me. I admited that I must have misunderstood what you wanted and that is why it was not shipped but that's not good enough for you. I'm not interested in talking or selling to you so quit trying. You have showen your colors and I'm not interested. As far as your statements about John K. they are about the same as your saying about me now. It seems when your not happy the name calling starts.


This has turned in to a pissing match so I will let the articles speak to what we've done.

He he the raclogic things kills me....if you guys only knew. You think Van Aaken has a 6L box and they are letting us sell it? You think they have an 03 Dodge box, a DMAX tuner? LMAO I mean if you had some other things it might be believeable...but that is so far in left field it isn't even funny. Remember when they threatened to take someone to court for changing a program? And they are going to let everyone private label all of their new stuff????





I have a question.....in KY, I ran a 14.53....Since then my customers have repeatedly ran the same or faster times in the same style trucks.....so then why would I have to run propane to go that fast? Dennis had Nitrous...we never claimed he ran nitrous to go however fast he went....After all that was all about my Module vs Dennis' module (TS Performance) which where is it??


Wow the racelogic thing is really funny. You guys.....and it is just right under your nose.....oh well.





As far as believing me....well you have never had to, I have always released a product to back my claims......unlike a few people. I don't have to claim to be better, I want my customers to do better, and win events and pulls.





Why is your 2wd truck going to be in an offroad magazine? Ironic isn't it?


I don't pay magazines to publish accomplishments...I let my customers speak for me.





Ohh yeah...there is proof of a run faster than what you haev run.....its just under you nose and you choose not to see it? Plenty of other people have seen it


While I am here.....why do you contact my customers and ask for a snapshot of the fuel mapping under acceleration? Why don't you just by it from Bullydog or Van Aaken? I think you must do more copying than anyone else?





You nkow why we are having a pissing match? Because you are a hypocrit and I am tired of it. You claim, you know, you have done, blah blah blah, all in your own little world and a few invisible friends. But you want to attack me....after I said nothing. I guess you get mad at me when I have happy customers?


If you have something that is awesome....then great, IF you have a fast truck great, If you are smart, hey great, BUT don't try to slam everyone else for no reason.





On another thought maybe I should do what everyone else does and ignore you.

Steve the reason for my phone call today was completely different than getting a powerloader from you. I never told you I didn't want to try your product. I don't but I never told you that. I don't really need a product that falls behind in hp and has other flaws such as causing lopey idle or upshift flare on an auto truck. The reason I called today was to inform you that if you tried to steal any more programming information or anything else illegal from anyone that has a product of mine or that I sold them you will have to worry about more than copyright laws. But since you were to good to take or return my call I assume you will read this and figure it out.


P.S. I assume the names I called JK are what I'm calling you now. I've reread every post and I haven't called you any name but STEVE.Edited by: CPMac

man I started a good one.........I say linem up.....or send the best to me and I will.....

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That is what I say to Sdaver. I have been waiting for one for over a year and just today I was told on this forum I wouldn't ever be getting one. O well at least now I won't be harrasing the guy in the brown truck.

cpmac if arnold gets in Ill get him to get you onehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Man sdaver, did you open a can o wormshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif. Sounds like somebodies ready to open a can of whoopa$$ on somebody. Run em and lets see the outcome. We'll even make it fair, i'll drive the trucks, so theres no driver differnce. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif Later Jeremy(aka test dummy)http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

sdaver


There is no need in paying for products unproven.


It looks as though maybe Steve's 12.78 http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Dead.gif might have been with someone else's products?????


Just-a-thought


A Tech2 fingers alot of things out second-hand.

I think it funny that we started the Duramax reprogramming back in 2001 and have shipped thousands of programmers since then and Quad started 8 weeks ago, so who could have copied from who!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif Quad has repeately stated how he has tested everyone elses products and they donot work, we have not! Now he states we pay magazines to write about our products, that's funny go look for an advertisment in any magazine over the past 5 years.......... there isn't any! Why is our 2 wd drive truck being featured in a 4wd magazine............ simple they were impressed. There is also one more small fact in that they test drove the truck 4 months ago. Now let me see when did Quad come out with his relabled unit? We design and develop our own products and have been doing so since 1981, Quad buys his. Our products have been proven for more years than Quad has been in business. These are the facts not fiction.


If your happy with his product then enjoy it.


CPmac


If you want to talk to someone about copying products then you had better go talk with your buddy Quad! I think it funny how you try to run our company down here then expect that we would work with you in any way. I admited there was a misunderstanding and that's the best I can do.

Steve you are FULL of it. You never misunderstood me. If you did as soon as this came to your attention you would have tried to made it right. You had no intention of selling me anything because you knew I had better. I was willing at one time to try your product and it would have benefited me and I would have been happy. You directly lied to me and took my order but never intended to fill it. You can act like you did nothing wrong but I am sure the facts are right in front of everyone here. I never told you I didn't want the programming and yet you admitted a misunderstaning but never tried to clear it up either on this forum or through email or phone# both of which you have. So go tell your stories somewhere else because I'm getting very tired of it.

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CPMac who are you and what do you sell? And who is JRmac? you guy's have this reader all confused.


If any of you need a witness who can vouch for Steve's programming abilities that would be me! I personally watched him write the code for my truck. Steve has a proven product and my truck was one of the first 2002 trucks and the first California emissions truck he wrote the code for. I also know for a fact that he ships quite a few programmers out on a weekly basis.


Regards,


David

Desert Diesel


Everyone has groupees http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif Nobody said you have to agree with us! But FACTS ARE FACTS!!!


P.S. You will hear more about MEhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif in do time my boy!


Peace Brother, Truth I Speek.

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Will the real CPMac please stand up. You say the above on one site and then in this thread you say to Diesel - Tech:


And Steve at least one person has done the work to get the power to the ground. ME I can get the power to the ground better than anyone. And that is an undisputable fact.




Edited by CPMac on 22 September 2003 at 9:34am

So who is the real C-Smack? A Sled Puller by day &amp; drag racer by night? I am curious also about this statement made by C-Mac:


The reason I called today was to inform you that if you tried to steal any more programming information or anything else illegal from anyone that has a product of mine or that I sold them you will have to worry about more than copyright laws. But since you were to good to take or return my call I assume you will read this and figure it out.


C-Mac - What company are you with? and which products are yours?

Fellows....

Please take the personal accusations off line and vendors, please do not engage each other.

war room anyone?.........non personal of coursehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Dennis I am a vendor for several products. I'm having upgraded clutchs manufactured for the Dmax. That is why I made the statement I can get the power to the ground because I have the strongest clutch out there. I made no reference to getting the power to the ground and being fast but that is in the works.

No war room...I am bored with bickering on the website. It is...well just boring.....anyone can come up with a rebutle and another side... myself included.


I have thought about it and actually decided that there are better ways to come to resolutions. At some point we can find these resolutions, but....


Deer season starts Sat. here in TX and I believe that I am going to check out a little early and enjoy myself.


After the enjoyable season is gone...then we can have this discussion again.


Have fun!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

quad





good luck hunting here in ky is slow still ...bow only as of right now ...im with you ready to get some ducksinstead of deer though!!!Edited by: SmokinMax