I am kicking around getting an LBZ once I am through with my LLY project, I am sure you are planning to do something for the LBZ as well.

My question is do you have any kind of timeframe at all of when you think you will be getting a workable LBZ EFILive setup?

I know you are just now getting the LLY wrapped up good, but still I don't see why you can't give me a feel when you think you will be along good on the LBZ. Thanks!

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I am kicking around getting an LBZ once I am through with my LLY project, I am sure you are planning to do something for the LBZ as well.

Sorry, no plans to do LBZ at this stage, once LLY is done we will be onto other projects, LBZ is not one of them.

Cheers,
Ross

Sorry, no plans to do LBZ at this stage, once LLY is done we will be onto other projects, LBZ is not one of them.

Cheers,
Ross

Ok, does this mean no LBZ at all ever or are you just saying that you don't have the LBZ on the radar at this time?

The ability to move this to my next truck matters......is it transferrable to someone else (as in sell it) if you sell your LB7 or LLY in favor of an LBZ?

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Ok, does this mean no LBZ at all ever or are you just saying that you don't have the LBZ on the radar at this time?

The ability to move this to my next truick matters......is it transferrable to someone else (as in sell it) if you sell your LB7 or LLY in favor of an LBZ?

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I can't answer your first question, but as for the second one, Yes you can sale the device to someone else, however, they will need to buy (at $99 each) tuning programs, if you have used the two that comes with it. Once you program a vehicle, it is locked to that vehicle. But you get two when you buy, and you can buy upto 23 more for a total of 25. If you want to program more then 25 vehicles, you will either need to send EFIlive back to Flashscan to upgrade to the Commercial version, or buy a new personal version for upto 25 more. (You maybe able to send it back for an upgrade for more flashes without buy a new one, but I don't know!)

Ok, does this mean no LBZ at all ever or are you just saying that you don't have the LBZ on the radar at this time?

The ability to move this to my next truick matters......is it transferrable to someone else (as in sell it) if you sell your LB7 or LLY in favor of an LBZ?

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LBZ is not even on the radar, please don't purchase the product thinking we may do it at some stage, there is every chance we will not.

Cheers,
Ross

P.S - Congrats, 2000 posts :)

Seems that you just killed future sales of EFI. Why should I spend money on your product and invest the time learning to use it when I know it is dead and gone when I buy a new truck? Seems you have made a decision to make a dead end product that will not be useful in the future. Think I'll stay with Edge or Diabolo Sport. At least they will support LBZ's.

Jim

That's pretty harsh jholly. I think what they are saying is they will do it if they can but they don't want to guarantee they will be able to do it. I personally appreciate the honesty and I will cross that bridge when I get to it. For now the EFI Live is the best thing since sliced bread.

I appreciate Flashscan's honesty about the LBZ, many people would just lead customers on in the name of sales. :)

I don't think what jholly said was harsh, it was kinda matter of factly put, but what he said is true. Lets face it, the LB7's aren't getting any younger and they have definite injector cup issues, and the LLY was only a year and a half run, so that does pretty much limit the usefulness of the EFILive setup.

Especially when the tuner market is already moving on the LBZ.

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That's pretty harsh jholly. I think what they are saying is they will do it if they can but they don't want to guarantee they will be able to do it. I personally appreciate the honesty and I will cross that bridge when I get to it. For now the EFI Live is the best thing since sliced bread.

The way I read this "there is every chance we will not." it tells me that there is a very good chance that Flashscan will NEVER have support for the LBZ. I am with jholly on this. I want the EFIlive, but plan to someday buy a new truck, and would like to be able to upgrade the software to work with the next generation engine/transmission.

I think I'll go cry some now:(

EFILive has since day one concentrated on working with Delco / Delphi computers and GM vehicles, it's what we know.
LBZ is of course Bosch which we have pretty much had zero dealings with as Bosch was generally used on European vehicles.

Now I have heard 'rumours' of certain GM engines that started using Bosch computers this year will soon be switching back to Delphi, again, these maybe just rumors. What happens if GM decide to do this with the LBZ?, from a business perspective for us a total waste of time. In reality once you add up the costs of development it would be well over $75K for us to support the Bosch computer.
Yes LLY was only a year and a half run but it was built on a platform we have had years of experience with.

I understand your concerns over not being able to continue to use the product on future versions on the Duramax if GM continue along the Bosch route.

I thought I was being honest that we will not tell you we are 'looking' into supporting something we have absolutely no intention of ever supporting.

Considering the prices of the various 'stacking' setups out there for the LB7 & LLY I think EFILive is great value right now, regardless if it will support any future truck you are looking at purchasing. How many people have more than one handheld or ECM in an attempt to find a tune they are happy with? How much did all that cost?, Is any handheld tuner you have upgradable to LBZ?

Cheers,
Ross

Again thanks Flashscan for being up frontg about the LBZ.

This thread has run its course and the questions it was about have been answered. Thanks!

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That's pretty harsh jholly. I think what they are saying is they will do it if they can but they don't want to guarantee they will be able to do it. I personally appreciate the honesty and I will cross that bridge when I get to it. For now the EFI Live is the best thing since sliced bread.

How is it harsh? Ross stated ...

LBZ is not even on the radar, please don't purchase the product thinking we may do it at some stage, there is every chance we will not.


Seems like he is saying there every chance there won't be a LBZ product. I'm stating that after spending money, time and effort on learning the program that it probably is wasted effort once I upgrade to a LBZ. Since this is not quite a plug and play and takes some effort to create a tune, this time and effort will be for nought on my new truck. Sounds like Edge and the others will support LBZ. Granted I will not be able to use a LLY Edge or Diablo on a LBZ, but there will be products availiable that I can use. And these will be plug and play. EFI might be the best thing out there since sliced bread for a LB7 and perhaps the LLY (nothing released yet), seems the bread will be a bit moldy with a LBZ.

Not to say I don't appriciate the honesty. I do, but since there most likely will be no follow on product, I don't think I will invest money, time and effort on the EFI product knowing it all goes into the trash can when I get a LBZ or what ever is the follow on engine. For this reason I think I will consider other products.

Jim

Sorry jholly. Harsh was not the correct word and I apologize. I shouldn't have commented. What I should have said is that the EFI Live is a great value regardless of future LBZ support. I'm sorry you decided it's not for you. It is certainly above and beyond any of the other tuners out there right not at comparable costs.

Good points one and all. :ro)

I'd just like to say if you have an Edge or a Quad etc. for your LB7 or LLY.

You won't be able to use it on your new LBZ either when that time comes. So you would most likely sell the product and move on. The same thing can be done with EFILive.

Just an FYI.:D

How many people have more than one handheld or ECM in an attempt to find a tune they are happy with? How much did all that cost?, Is any handheld tuner you have upgradable to LBZ?

Cheers,
Ross
I have two, and got rid of three others!:eek: And with a little luck, I WILL add the EFIlive to my little collection. It`s to bad about the LBZ support! Guess I'll just have to keep my LB7 for a long long time.:)

You guys that are weighing options don't forget that the Duramax is not the only platform currently supported EFILive. You can also tune LS1 powered Camaros, Corvettes and gasser trucks. Do you have any buddies that have gasser trucks with larger tires or Camaro's and Corvettes with speed limiters, rev limiters or skip shifts that you could tune or adjust to recoup some investment? If you haven't done so already, download the EFILive software and ask someone around here for a stock Duramax tune and some scan data before making any decisions.

That kinda upfront info and honesty is pretty rare these days. It is a big :nutkick: that you guys dont have anything for the LBZ planned(and understandably so since its a totaly different platform) as I really was interested in running your stuff. :( Yet another reason I wish I didnt wad up my LB7 :bawl:

I will just chalk it up to another (FUN and USEFUL) investment into my truck that I can't take with me when I move on. My tonneau cover, floor mats, exhaust and various other mods fall into this category. Heck, for me, spending the time and effort learning is half the fun. I also want to swap an LQ9 into my '69 C-10, so I'll get lots of use out of EFI Live there, as well.

I agree with the guys that say you can't take an LB7 or an LLY edge with you to an LBZ, and you spent what? $600-$900 on that?

Another option with the EFI Live is to split it with a buddy that has an LB7 or LLY.

I think jholly feels the way he does not because of the money spent on EFI vs other tuners/boxes but because of the time spent learning the software. Although the software is relatively easy to learn the ability to make power with it isn't as easy. There is certainely a LOT of time involved in using the software to make a decent tune. Time can't be recovered. The time he spends learning EFI can't be taken to an LBZ. He doesn't need to use his time with the tuners and boxes on the market. And that is why these companies probably won't be hurt much by EFI. I understand his position.

It would be nice to see EFI support the LBZ but I most certainely understand why they probably won't. It's a completely economical and logical decision for them. Hopefully the rumors they've heard about Delphi supplying the computer for the LBZ next year are true... If it does I think you'll see EFI support for it.

sp33d has just about hit the nail on the head as to my feeling regarding EFI. In addition to the cost of the EFI product I will also need to buy a laptop. I currently don't have one and really my usage pattern does not include a laptop. So the laptop would be strickly for EFI on the DMax. This puts the cost in the $1200-$1500 dollar range. Both the software and the laptop go in the trash heap once I move on.

Now if LBZ and follow on engines become a reality, and the time spent learning on a LLY could be carried forward I would definitly consider the product.

Jim

My truck is history when the next redesign comes, probably 2007.

If I could break ground with the LBZ via the EFILive setup I would have jumped on the generous offer I was recently made for it. I already have the laptop, but just can't see the benefit this late in the game when the tuners are good and my truck is on borrowed time. Like sp33d said, time is money, for me thats for sure, so I will be watching to see what happens with the ECM's as GM will more than likely own Delphi soon.

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I'm definitely interested in the 2007 models as well. :D

I'm definitely interested in the 2007 models as well. :D

The HD line will most likely be an 08 model, and not out on the lots until January 2007. (Which isn't all that far off)

I mean I'm definitely interested in the 2008 models. :rolleyes: