Is it ready to roll and can this correct for tire sizes and up speed limit?

Is it ready to roll and can this correct for tire sizes and up speed limit?
It is still in beta, but is expected to be finished within a week. And yes it will be able to change tire size, top speed, limiter, as well as many other things such as changing when the "Change oil light comes on"

And if I understand it correctly, Flashscan believes they will be able to fix it so we can change shift points, as well as other tranny settings. But this is not ready yet.

Mike, you are correct, the Beta testers have announced to thier families that this weekend it's just me and the truck honey ;) . So we should get some great feedback over the next few days.

That said, we can't see there will be any further delay for a 'before' 2006 release for LLY. Even if you were to purchase the product now, it's just a simple download to update to LLY from our website once released.

We expect to start 'investigating' the possibility of Allison TCM programming in the new year.

Cheers,
Ross

I figure this will not be as easy as say my Predator is to program but will it be terrible to figure out. Also will this be able to store the stock ecm so when I take it in for service it will be cool. If you are a newbie will there be any performance programs all ready out there or are you on your own. I see the lb7's are rolling now but is everyone doing their own thing?
Thanks

Do yourself a favor and get it on order now. When it's released you will have it already so you will just need to download software. You won't be sorry.

Even if you were to purchase the product now, it's just a simple download to update to LLY from our website once released.

We expect to start 'investigating' the possibility of Allison TCM programming in the new year.

Cheers,
Ross

Sounds pretty sweet at this point. If you guys get the TCM programming cracked then will that be a free upgrade or another application for purchase?

Sounds pretty sweet at this point. If you guys get the TCM programming cracked then will that be a free upgrade or another application for purchase?

It will be a free upgrade, but you would consume a license ($99) to program it. We will be looking at the TCM once LLY is released, then we will know for sure if we are going to support it or not.

Cheers,
Ross

Will we see the LLY version as a Christmas present?

It will be a free upgrade, but you would consume a license ($99) to program it. We will be looking at the TCM once LLY is released, then we will know for sure if we are going to support it or not.

Cheers,
Ross

Seems pretty reasonable to me. I may have to take the plunge.

It will be a free upgrade, but you would consume a license ($99) to program it. We will be looking at the TCM once LLY is released, then we will know for sure if we are going to support it or not.

Cheers,
Ross
Are you saying that the ECM uses one license, while the TCM (On the same truck) would use a second license? If so, THAT SUCKS BIG TIME!

I sometimes get disheartened by the response and negativity of some Duramax owners to all this.

We had alot of pressure to provide a Duramax tuner to the market because 'supposedly' alot of you were fed up with handing over money for various add-on boxes and handheld programmers hoping to finally find a workable combination, some of the $$ some people had spent amazed me.

So we come out with something that gives you tuning control unmatched by anything else and perhaps down the track something that will finally allow you to alter the Allison and it's still not not fair for $699? You get two licenses to start with, so if you are only using it on your truck what's the issue?.

Oh, please compare the price of a Co-Pilot v's a single license from EFILive. Or even more, a handheld tuner, add-on box and Co-Pilot combination.

Cheers,
Ross

I think the thing that is making the guys upset is having to buy a lisc. for the engine and trans each. Almost like we are being penalized for having Allison trans in the diesels. The gas engines have tuning for both the engine and transmission under one Lisc. JMHO

I think the thing that is making the guys upset is having to buy a lisc. for the engine and trans each. Almost like we are being penalized for having Allison trans in the diesels. The gas engines have tuning for both the engine and transmission under one Lisc. JMHOI'm sure if it was a simple thing to have control over the Allison, we would and still be at $699.......But I think it'll be a little more involved and somebody has to pay for the research, and programming to get us control over it. We the consumer asked for it, so we will pay for it. I don't have a problem with it...JMHO

But the gas engines don't have a seperate TCM.

I would gladly lose a licence for the TCM. I can still program my truck PCM and TCM with the 2 licences that come with my EFI Live.

As it stands now we can't program the TCM with anything on the market so I think it is fair that we consume a licence for all the R&D that will go into the TCM.

Both of you bring up real good points DP and MP

I've put more $$ into the two tuners I have now than this package costs. I think the pricing is very fair on this product considering the Upgradability and usefulness of the product. Plus their customer support is pretty damned good from what I've seen so far.

I don't know anything about writing tunes myself, but I think this is the best that has ever happened for us. And for $699? Damn that is cheap. If someone is upset about the price or paying for another license, maybe you shouldn't sell them one.:D "No insert name here for you!" soup salad and whatever. Hell I paid $900 for my PPE, and the EFI Live is gonna give me MUCH more PLUS allow me to tune 2 vehicles and ability to tune more?????????? All for $699. Heck I'm getting really upset that I don't have the money for one right now.
Maybe those guys should stick with the predator or banks, maybe their jealous for some reason. Hell I'd pay close to another EFI LIve for the Allison license......................hope I didn't put my foot in my mouth, but JMHO.

Are you saying that the ECM uses one license, while the TCM (On the same truck) would use a second license? If so, THAT SUCKS BIG TIME!

So you're saying that it's not worth $99 (and that's only if you've already used the TWO licenses that come with the package) to have control over the TCM? :eek:

Ross, I think it's pefectly reasonable to expect customers to use a seperate license for the TCM.

I am with you guys on this, I also wish I had the $$$ to lay down right now for EFILive. Then after I got a good tune, I would sell my edge/***. And as far as using two lic up for the abilty to tune the ally, that would be an understatement of being cheap. $699.00 to be able to control both your ECM and TCM is Sweeeet. Why heck I seen that their is a vendor war going on right now and the package can be had for around $675.00 plus s&h.

You guys that are seriously complaining about $699 for the ability to control everything are sorely missing the point. I would have saved $1,000's of dollars if I would have had this available a year ago,

You guys have absolutely no idea what you are getting for that price.

1) Fully functional scanning and real time data logging with DTC resets.

2) Full control over all ECM tables for fuel, timing and a whole host of other things like anti theft, oil change interval, etc.

3)Guys with 2001's can finally remove the speed limiter and rev limiter.

4) you can program two vehicles with the software and only one with the standard tuners. Each additional license is only $99.90......

You guys are really being foolish if you are sitting on the fence.

JMHO,

T:rolleyes: NY

Personally I think $699 to control both the ECM and the TCM is a very fair price. just look that what you would pay for a Juice/*** and you can't control the boost or TCM on an LLY

Thanks Guys,

In fairness I don't think some readers quite understand just what can be done with the software, all 'fooling' devices can be eliminated for a start.
Over the next few weeks / months some more feedback may start to be posted from new users that may get people a little more up to speed.

But, let me put the licensing scheme into another scenario....

You own a 2002 LB7 Duramax and a 1998 Corvette ($699).
Your buddy has an 2005 LLY ($99) and a 2003 4.3L V6 Blazer ($99)
Your neighbor has a 2004 Hummer H2 ($99).

For under $1,000 you can tune all of them.

Cheers,
Ross

So you're saying that it's not worth $99 (and that's only if you've already used the TWO licenses that come with the package) to have control over the TCM? :eek:

Ross, I think it's pefectly reasonable to expect customers to use a seperate license for the TCM.

That`s what I am saying! You read on the Flashscan website and here that for the $699 you can tune two (Count them one, two!) vehicles, then you find out that it is not 100% true. If you own the Duramax/Allison, you can tune just one vehicle.

Some of you guys replies make it sound like I (Or anyone else) have no right to have reservations about this product. If you aren't carefull, you will rival the days when, if you talked ill of the Juice, you were crucified.

Don't get me wrong, I will most likely purchase this EFIlive when funds become availible. However, this toy is much less appealing then it was a few days ago. With that said, it is still by far the best device for our Duramax equiped truck`s.

That`s what I am saying! You read on the Flashscan website and here that for the $699 you can tune two (Count them one, two!) vehicles, then you find out that it is not 100% true. If you own the Duramax/Allison, you can tune just one vehicle.

Some of you guys replies make it sound like I (Or anyone else) have no right to have reservations about this product. If you aren't carefull, you will rival the days when, if you talked ill of the Juice, you were crucified.

Don't get me wrong, I will most likely purchase this EFIlive when funds become availible. However, this toy is much less appealing then it was a few days ago. With that said, it is still by far the best device for our Duramax equiped truck`s.

You can still tune two vehicles. The allison stuff isn't done yet so there's no guarantee you'll even see it at this point. That was probably written even before the Duramax was done and they were just using it on gassers which don't have a TCM. I suggest you don't buy it until they upgrade the licensing verbage then you won't be so confused. BTW I beleive they will have the Allison stuff out and I bet they change the verbage on the licensing to reflect that when it's done. Why change something that isn't true at this point.

Plus I bet you follow all software licensing to the letter right?:rolleyes:

That`s what I am saying! You read on the Flashscan website and here that for the $699 you can tune two (Count them one, two!) vehicles, then you find out that it is not 100% true. If you own the Duramax/Allison, you can tune just one vehicle.

Some of you guys replies make it sound like I (Or anyone else) have no right to have reservations about this product. If you aren't carefull, you will rival the days when, if you talked ill of the Juice, you were crucified.

Don't get me wrong, I will most likely purchase this EFIlive when funds become availible. However, this toy is much less appealing then it was a few days ago. With that said, it is still by far the best device for our Duramax equiped truck`s.

You are correct, their web site says you can tune two vehicles. It does not however say anything about being able to tune the Duramax/Allison combo that I can find. It ONLY says you can tune the Duramax LB7 PCM (note the PCM on the end there). You were ASSUMING it would be free to tune a completely seperate computer when in fact it's not.

You still can tune two vehicles. You don't have to read/flash the Allison and there's your two vehicles. They have not offered this product for a vehicle that has two seperate computers that need/can be programmed. I guess it's also not possible for them to take care of everything that may be assumed by consumers.

The replies were proportionate to your response to EFI. Your response made it sound like highway robbery for them to require another license for the ability to read/flash another computer. In my opinion your response was certainely warranted but could have been toned down.

A couple of points here for those on the fence. Most will receive the standard release version for some time anyways. This is what is currently in the pipeline. The LLY update release will be downloaded from the EFI Live site. Some time after the release, the pipeline will be filled with LLY capable units, BUT when (not if) there is an update you will be doing the downloads anyhow.

Long and short of it: if you have an LLY and are waiting for functionality, I'd say go ahead and start it. You can get familiar with it, register it etc and when the LLY is released it will be a simple download...

In a LS-1 vehicle we are controlling the Engine and Trans through one computer.

In the Duramax we have one computer to control the Engine and one computer to control the Trans.

Looking at it from the perspective of controlling "computers" and not controlling "vehicles" it makes sense for EFILive to ask us to buy a license for each "computer".

I am with you guys on this, I also wish I had the $$$ to lay down right now for EFILive. Then after I got a good tune, I would sell my edge/***. And as far as using two lic up for the abilty to tune the ally, that would be an understatement of being cheap. $699.00 to be able to control both your ECM and TCM is Sweeeet. Why heck I seen that their is a vendor war going on right now and the package can be had for around $675.00 plus s&h.

No vendor war. Just a mis-understanding that has been corrected. :D

Looking at it from the perspective of controlling "computers" and not controlling "vehicles" it makes sense for EFILive to ask us to buy a license for each "computer".

Guy that is correct, perhaps we should re-word the website so people don't think we are misleading them.

Cheers,
Ross

What if you have a manual trans truck. My 02' and my brothers 04' are both 6spd.s and they only have the ecm they don't have a tcm. Would we still need another licence or would we be able to tune both our trucks for the 699.00 price. I've been working late and just saw this maybe the question has been answered already but if possible humor me.

You would be fine Nick, just one PCM then for each truck. Having the handshaker you have no TCM like the Allison.

Your good to go Nick. Both trucks for $699.00. You can tune, record data, clear codes, and generally have all kinds of fun.

Now here is the dirty little secret. You guys promise you won't tell anybody? Promise? Cross your heart? Use your secret decoder ring to decipher the message.

You can install the software on as many computers as your heart desires. Just enter the reg key on each computer and you have a fully functioning piece of software. You can write and save tunes to your laptop or desktop computer to your hearts desire. All you need is the cables and hardware to upload into your truck. So if you and your buddy are sharing a system you don't need the hardware to write tunes, only to upload or download to the truck.

Now what ever you do don't tell the EFILive people I told you this.


The Allison software is in the future, so right now I think we should all be happy we can finally take control of our ECMs.:ro)

It sounds like a deal to me, but I'm gonna have to wait until the sting of Christmas wears off a little before my order will be placed. Trippin you'll be hearing from me soon.:D As soon as south bend gets those clutches rolling its bombs away if you know what I mean.:ro)

I thought I read somewhere that the Allison alterations will be quite limited though...

LLY works now! Go buy one. You have no idea what you are missing!