Not wanting to start anything with this question, so don't take it the wrong way.

Now that Wester's is officially here as a vendor, is there going to be a separate section of the forum set up to discuss his programming software, like what was done for EFILive?

My $.02 on that would be to re-name that section as "Programming Software" or something similar that is more general rather than brand specific.

If more and more sections were created everytime a new manufacturer turned one out, we would end up with a lot of different sections. Imagine if the site was done that way for all the tuners and boxes.


Thats just my opinion,


Smoke Show
Mitch

I believe the reason there is an EFIlive section, is due to the fact that it is completely different then anything else on the market for the Duramax. And it is a device that users use to make their own tunes.

Westers is like a couple other performance devices. Just as Quad and Bullydog are pretty much the same as each other.

Now that Westers has become a supporting vendor ,released software to do your own tuning, I guess we will have to make some changes.

I believe the reason there is an EFIlive section, is due to the fact that it is completely different then anything else on the market for the Duramax. And it is a device that users use to make their own tunes.

Westers is like a couple other performance devices. Just as Quad and Bullydog are pretty much the same as each other.

...it's not a performance device. It's a hardware interface and software package for your laptop or PC that allows you to communicate, identify, read out--modify--and reprogram your LB7 and LLY PCM to the parameters that you specify based on the changes you made to the available table data. It does not come with pre-loaded tunes...instead of working directly in hex, all parameters are translated into real world values--so modification is simple. Although we were not first with LB7--we ARE first with both LB7 and LLY !!!

Lyndon
www.ecmprogrammer.com (http://www.ecmprogrammer.com)

Allright, now I am confused..(which didn't take much ):h )

So Lyndon, what you have is very similar to EFILive or are there a few differences between the two?

Seems there is no problem with other vendors posting in each others threads (seen ours lately) so here goes....

I am not taking a stab at you Lyndon (unlike the above post was at EFILive) as you appear to be very proud of offering LLY's first. I am just wondering does your tuning package come with a scantool?

Thanks,
Ross

Allright, now I am confused..(which didn't take much ):h )

So Lyndon, what you have is very similar to EFILive or are there a few differences between the two?

I don't want to hijack Lyndons thread before he has a chance to answer your question, but would be more than happy to tell you what EFILive has to offer if you want to post into the EFILive area of this forum.

Cheers,
Ross

Seems there is no problem with other vendors posting in each others threads (seen ours lately) so here goes....

I am not taking a stab at you Lyndon (unlike the above post was at EFILive) as you appear to be very proud of offering LLY's first. I am just wondering does your tuning package come with a scantool?

Thanks,
Ross

Whoa Ross....I wasn't trying to take a stab at you or your product...I just was curious as to the differences between the two.
There are enough negative threads around here, it isn't my intent to make another one.. :)

Scott

price is one difference:eek:

:stirthepo

Seems there is no problem with other vendors posting in each others threads (seen ours lately) so here goes....

I am not taking a stab at you Lyndon (unlike the above post was at EFILive) as you appear to be very proud of offering LLY's first. I am just wondering does your tuning package come with a scan tool?

Thanks,
Ross

Ross

This is something that we will have to address IMO when we set up the NEW forum.

But for now this is a post in a regular forum so I believe cross Vendor posts as long as it is with in the rules of the forum should be allowed.


Please excuse our short comings for now as this is quite fresh and not knowing that another vendor was so soon to have come on board.


For reference purposes what is part of membership agreement in the Forum rules



No vendor is permitted to attack, or excessively critique the efforts of, other vendors. If a vendor makes a derogatory comment about another vendor, we ask that they abstain from making any further comments take their disagreement off the forum.

Allright, now I am confused..(which didn't take much ):h )

So Lyndon, what you have is very similar to EFILive or are there a few differences between the two?

Westers DOES have their own tune produced that is added to your truck. This is what I think you were thinking.

NOW they have released a system that allows you to develop your own tune based on real time data collected from your truck (like EFI Live).

They have two toys offered, the one being discussed is the latter of those two.


Hope that cleared it up a bit for you.


Smoke Show
Mitch

I say lets all get along and grow up.

I am interested in both products. EFI looks to be out of my simple brain league, but I do like to try and learn.

Westers seems easier to understand.

HG, how did you determine that? Not questioning you, just wondering where you went to see how to use each and how each function - as far as simplicity goes?


Here's a thought, can a tune written using one of these be sent to someone with the other and still be downloaded on the truck? Or does each different program "tag" the file differently, thereby eliminating this from happening.


Smoke Show
Mitch

Whoa Ross....I wasn't trying to take a stab at you or your product...I just was curious as to the differences between the two.
There are enough negative threads around here, it isn't my intent to make another one.. :)

Scott

I don't think he was talking about you, I think he was refering to Lyndon's post above yours......

As Mac said the forum was setup with the knowledge that only one software package of this nature existed and it would probably be the only one for a while. Since that has changed we're discussing how best to handle this new market for our trucks. You'll see some changes in the near future.

Janitor, I think sub forums for like devices should be put in together. We already have way more then enough sections, and whatnot.:)

When I made my last post, I did not know Westers had this new device. I was under the impression that the only thing they had was just like TTS.

Sorry, didn't mean to upset the apple cart or anything.

I have money too burn, so I guess I'll buy one of everything;) :joke:

Whoa Ross....I wasn't trying to take a stab at you or your product...I just was curious as to the differences between the two.
There are enough negative threads around here, it isn't my intent to make another one.. :)

Scott

Scott, I'm sorry, your post just beat mine, the comment was directed at the post above yours. Sorry for the confusion.

Cheers,
Ross

Please excuse our short comings for now as this is quite fresh and not knowing that anouther vendor was so soon to have come on board.

Actually it does not worry me at all, I say leave it as it, censorship or protection on forums does nothing to help the end user make decisions on products. I am quite happy if another vendor wants to post in an EFILive thread, just as long as they are not promoting the product directly, if the discussion is 'x' feature vs 'y' feature then it should be allowed.

Cheers,
Ross

NOW they have released a system that allows you to develop your own tune based on real time data collected from your truck (like EFI Live).

As long as you also own a TechII to collect the data.
http://dieselplace.com/forum/showpost.php?p=835937&postcount=85

Cheers,
Ross

Sounds like the EFIlive by Flashscan is by far the best for the do it your selfer. At least until Wester`s gets something for less the $5499.:eek:

Actually it does not worry me at all, I say leave it as it, censorship or protection on forums does nothing to help the end user make decisions on products. I am quite happy if another vendor wants to post in an EFILive thread, just as long as they are not promoting the product directly, if the discussion is 'x' feature vs 'y' feature then it should be allowed.

Cheers,
Ross

That is fine Ross as long as it is with in the guide lines Nick and we feel are productive to this site.

I believe that a general "tuning" forum should be set up with separate forums for each programmer that comes to the market so people that chose what the desire for software will be able to discuss with out or as little controversy as possible.

Thanks for your input although.I believe we are on the same page of thinking.Open discussion is always a plus for our membership

wow 5500 clams? No offence...but at that price will anyone buy it? EFILive is under 1000...

--Ben

wow 5500 clams? No offence...but at that price will anyone buy it? EFILive is under 1000...

--Ben

EFIlive has one for well north of $6,000, and it does not have the G-Tech type ability.

Wester`s needs to come out with one for personal use with 2-4 license at about $700, then the playing field will be set.

EFIlive has one for well north of $6,000

Correct, that is the full unlimited version much like the Westers all years option, but with ours that also means you can tune 98 - 06 LS1, and no need to hand over another $2K for a TechII.


, and it does not have the G-Tech type ability.


??

Cheers,
Ross

Scott, I'm sorry, your post just beat mine, the comment was directed at the post above yours. Sorry for the confusion.

Cheers,
Ross

Ah, okay Ross...:Handshake :hug:
Glad I didn't reply with what I thought when I read your post ):h

Is this the EFILive subject? Looks like they are posting way more than Westers. I think Flashscan should go back and post in his own thread.
mike

Is this the EFILive subject? Looks like they are posting way more than Westers. I think Flashscan should go back and post in his own thread.
mike

Thanks for the advice Mike, can you please also extend your guidance to the vendors posting (not favourably) in our own section?

Cheers,
Ross

Considering you could pay back your investment with 10-15 performance diesel files as a business venture it's a good deal as far as I'm concerned. This is geared more for a diesel performance shop rather than for personal use.

Is this the EFILive subject? Looks like they are posting way more than Westers. I think Flashscan should go back and post in his own thread.
mike

Aren't you supposed to be in the Allison section? ):h

I find Sheep to be the most truthful creatures on the planet. :D

Since this thread is not about either EFI or Wester's programs specifically but rather about our plans for the forum which have been answered I'm closing this thread. I'd also like to ask both Flashscan and Westers to refrain from posting further in any threads about the other's products. This will prevent any unnecessary actions by the staff.