hey guys just wondering why no one likes the banks six-gun ,i had the edge in my o3 and my nextel phone would freeze up the computer .i called before i ordered my banks and edge said they haven`t fixed the issue . i haven`t got my banks yet so i can`t comment on it yet but no-one seems to recomend them.i`ll fill out my sig. later but for now its a 05 gmc 3500 cc/lb hillsboro flatbed 5" exhaust and afe stage 2 ..also i`m haveing a hard time understanding all the boost stick stuff ,,,will i need all 3.. BS,finger and egr block or just the BS itself thanks in advance

I highly recommend doing the finger stick, Blocker plate if you are thinking about the boost stick. People have reported Turbo Bark without the blocker plate and fingers stick when they installed the BS. Someone else can offer opinions on the Banks since I've never used it but the Edge is a nice unit IMHO.

I like mine......

I love my Banks setup. My buddy has the Edge on his truck and he wishes he had stepped up for the Banks stuff. The PDA setup is the coolest.:D

I dont mind my Banks on my LB7. But I also want a lot MORE POWER!!

I love my Banks 6-gun. To be honest, I don't understand why people pig pile on Banks and tell everyone how bad they are when all I read about here are Edge problems and update after update. I had an E/J for a short time and took it back because of turbo bark and being to twitchy when trying to accelerate at light throttle on the higher settings.

How easy is it to pull the six gun off the truck? How long does it take to put it on for inital install? Do they measure the power at rear wheels or at the crank? Does it come w/ gauges? How much is the six gun? How much are gauges?



Edge comes of in 5 minutes. First intall takes about half hour...including running wires through firewall(not including thermocouple install, but it is not needed to opperate edge). Edge measures power at rear wheels. Edge has an attitude monitor...no gauges needed. Edge w/ attitude is cheaper than six gun w/ gauges.

You need the Sixgun PDA to do what the Edge attitude does. How much is Banks PDA?


Banks is not worth the extra money!!

How easy is it to pull the six gun off the truck? How long does it take to put it on for inital install? Do they measure the power at rear wheels or at the crank? Does it come w/ gauges? How much is the six gun? How much are gauges?



Edge comes of in 5 minutes. First intall takes about half hour...including running wires through firewall(not including thermocouple install, but it is not needed to opperate edge). Edge measures power at rear wheels. Edge has an attitude monitor...no gauges needed. Edge w/ attitude is cheaper than six gun w/ gauges.

You need the Sixgun PDA to do what the Edge attitude does. How much is Banks PDA?


Banks is not worth the extra money!!

The Banks module is installed under the dash, so it would take longer to pull the Six-Gun off. After reading numerous posts on how weather conditions affect the Edge module under the hood, I'm glad this is where Banks installs it. The Six-Gun with gauges is a little higher in price than the Edge w/Attitude. The PDA being more, but look how much more you get from the PDA than the Attitude. A thermocouple is not needed to run the Six-Gun either, unless you opt for the Speedloader upgrade.
I'm glad it only takes 5 minutes to pull the Edge off, It comes in handy for sending it back for all those updates.....

What kind of power does the overpriced six gun put out w/ a speedloader? So in order to get any power from the Banks, you need a tcouple and the speedloader...what a pain! I have heard of just as many problems w/ banks as I have heard of from Edge. Edge support is excellent. There was only one update for my Edge and that was quite some time ago for my LLY. As far as the PDA w/ all the feature...Edge has the A2...I've heard they both have problems crashing...I wouldn't buy either one at this point.

The Banks module is installed under the dash, so it would take longer to pull the Six-Gun off. After reading numerous posts on how weather conditions affect the Edge module under the hood, I'm glad this is where Banks installs it. The Six-Gun with gauges is a little higher in price than the Edge w/Attitude. The PDA being more, but look how much more you get from the PDA than the Attitude. A thermocouple is not needed to run the Six-Gun either, unless you opt for the Speedloader upgrade.
I'm glad it only takes 5 minutes to pull the Edge off, It comes in handy for sending it back for all those updates.....

The Edge box runs real good.

No, you don't need the Speedloader "to get any power from the Banks". The last dyno I've seen from the Six-Gun w/Speedloader put down +149hp and +351tq. I don't know where you get that Banks has as many problems, it's not even close-not at all. Worrying about a couple of hundred dollars difference between these two units when buying $40000-$50000 trucks makes me LOL.

I paid $2800 for Big Hoss Kit delivered to my door. I then returned the gauges and wired speed loader (unopened boxes) for a $375 credit to get the PDA docking station. I got the docking station kit for $350 and then went to BestBuy and bought a Palm Tungsten T/X for $300 (I wanted a better PDA than the Tungsten E2 that they use with the docking station.) I modified the docking station to fit the T/X (it is a little longer). I installed the software on the T/X (software included speedloader) and all is good! Total for everything was $3075. I installed it myself (easy), puts out a LOT of power, and has never thrown any codes and burns the tires off very easy :)

The power gains mentioned above is for the LB7. Since this is in the LLY section, I'll post those latest numbers from the dyno. Level 6 without Speedloader made +97hp. With the Speedloader, it made +126hp, spot on with their claims.

I run an edge, my father runs the banks, they are both kickass units, they put out nearly the same power, the thing I really like about my edge is that it is compact, is digital, and is just plain cool. I like my dads banks too, he got his before I got mine, I would have gone with the banks until my Dad had a problem with his and Banks kinda turned their back on him. I have only had to deal with edge once, and they are great when it comes to warranty issues.
Just my 2 cents, they are both great.

The Banks module is installed under the dash, so it would take longer to pull the Six-Gun off. After reading numerous posts on how weather conditions affect the Edge module under the hood, I'm glad this is where Banks installs it. The Six-Gun with gauges is a little higher in price than the Edge w/Attitude. The PDA being more, but look how much more you get from the PDA than the Attitude. A thermocouple is not needed to run the Six-Gun either, unless you opt for the Speedloader upgrade.
I'm glad it only takes 5 minutes to pull the Edge off, It comes in handy for sending it back for all those updates.....

Hey man, I've ordered my Six-Gun w/ Speedloader - what the hell is a thermocoupler, how much is it, Does it come with the speedloader (and if it doesn't where do I get one), and where does it go and how do I install it? LOL- Any other questions? LMAO.

Thanks

hey guys i didn`t intend to start any fights ...i just didn`t want use the edge again because my nextel phone freezes the computer ,on a different note can i use the predator just for codes and playing with stuff or do i actually have load the program thanks and settle down we`re all drivin the same truck

what did the nextel phone do to your edge???? My edge will be here tomorrow, if my phone screws it up i need to send it back

hey parks,the one i had in my 03 would freeze the computer and i would have to shut the truck off to reset it.
it would usually happen when i turned the phone on or someone radio`d me. not all the time but randomly ,call and ask them and they will tell you to put the phone in a different place.. ?? hope you have better luck

what do you mean freeze the computer, the edge or truck; and what did the truck actually do...makes ya think twice about having your phone on in an airplane

the computer screen on the edge ,i`m scared to death of flying so it don`t bother me later

thanks for the heads up:grd:

Hey man, I've ordered my Six-Gun w/ Speedloader - what the hell is a thermocoupler, how much is it, Does it come with the speedloader (and if it doesn't where do I get one), and where does it go and how do I install it? LOL- Any other questions? LMAO.

Thanks

The thermocoupler is what you install in the exhaust manifold to measure egt's. It comes with the Speedloader.

I've got a nextel for work and I get 2-way messages all the time, never caused the screen to lock up on my attitude?

Installed the banks for a friend of ours and he couldnt be happier. One thing also with the banks you can do that you cant with the edge is read and reset codes. (im sure you can reset, been a few weeks since i read the book) For those that need to read codes and buy a second handheld tuner the banks pda is maybe the better way.

As for power, I cant compare cause his truck is 11k lbs and mine was 7500. Power gain was good though on his.

i dont know why everyone on here hates on banks, that make quality products. that are priced alittle higher than other companies but you do know you get what you pay for. i have a friend that is running edge j/a on his 05 ford ps and my 05 dmax kills him everytime. love banks, this is just my $.02

i have a friend that is running edge j/a on his 05 ford ps and my 05 dmax kills him everytime. love banks, this is just my $.02

Thats cause its a ford!;)

Looked at the Banks real hard and then talked to some vendors, They all said the same. I'll sell you either and they both work good BUT if you ever have any problems with the Banks good luck. They said EDGE products has the best customer service in the business.

I, myself, have never had problems with any of the Banks products I have, so I can't comment on the customer service. However, when the reflash became available, I called them immediately and got an ra#. I sent it back 2nd day air and had it back in my hands three days later. They sent it back to me 2nd day air without me even asking them. I don't know how you can top that. As far as Banks' customer service, I'm shocked that it hasn't been addressed by them because of the number of posts on this site.......

you gotta point there, ford's are JUNK!!! but the point is i have no regrets in my choice to go with banks, i guess in the end it is all about your personal preference

I dont personally dont think that banks makes junk. Yeah you get pretty good power out of the banks stuff, but i think the issue is more money. Banks stuff is always more expensive and they always push their "packages" to try and sell more of their stuff to you. In my opinion Banks is way overpriced. I think they both have issues but from my experience and what ive seen on here there is no question about the quality of edge customer service. Also, from what i read the edge is alot more popular here than the banks so most likely you are going to read about more problems. Plus you can thank edge for banks have a PDA thing, they did that to match the attitude's capabilities. Also, i have a PDA and the LCD screen does not work well at cold temps, in fact turning it on and using it at cold temps may cause longevity issues with it. What about cold weather?

Someone mentioned they had almost $3100 in their banks set up, holy sCensoredt. I have five inch exhaust turbo back (about $350), finger stick, edge (about $600), and gauges (about $500) for about $1500 and there is probably not much else i plan on doing for more power in the near future. Plus the gauges arent necessary for the edge so thats minus $500. So for about $1000 i had exhaust and edge, probably the most common power upgrade for those of us that dont want to be too aggresive.

Plus the edge is much easier to take off, which in the beginning, no one plans on having to take it off, but any little warranty issue engine related or not requires taking it off.

The Six-Gun w/Speedloader, stainless monster exhaust and full pillar mount w/boost and egt gauges cost me $1700.

The Six-Gun w/Speedloader, stainless monster exhaust and full pillar mount w/boost and egt gauges cost me $1700.


which is about $700 more than the edge, plus the edge gives you alot more ECM readouts than you cant get with other gauges, like Trans info, load, accerator position, etc and it already has the basic boost and EGT. Plus i have three gauges (oil temp an extra $140) w/ full pillar mount, the edge w/ ***, and exhaust for $200 cheaper than that.

I'm not trying to bash people with Banks, like i said im sure it gives you more power but it a higher cost than the competition. The main issue here is cost, i think banks needs to lower there prices to compete.

and whats with this speedloader? so they soak you for more money for the extra 22hp (as advertized) instead of just including it with the 6-Gun. Sounds like another way for banks to make money at the customers expense.

I think Banks has a larger marketing staff to support so they cost more and try to push stuff you don't really need.

I think Banks has a larger marketing staff to support so they cost more and try to push stuff you don't really need.

exactly, everything at banks is the whole deal, the "BIG HOSS BUNDLE" and so on, most ppl just need a tuner and exhaust and gauges. I mean the speedloader, dont you think they couldve just made minor adjustments to the 6-gun programming to get an extra 22 hp? nope, they charge you for another module cause they wouldnt make money on including the 22hp in the 6-gun.

and whats with this speedloader? so they soak you for more money for the extra 22hp (as advertized) instead of just including it with the 6-Gun. Sounds like another way for banks to make money at the customers expense.

Much like the Attitude you have to add to the Edge to go from 90hp to 125hp...

I ran a 125hp edge box on my LB7, no Attitude required.

Much like the Attitude you have to add to the Edge to go from 90hp to 125hp...

i got my six-gun and the power pda for $1200 and that pda does alot more then the attitude monitor and the speedloader software is built in to the pda program. i also have the banks 4" monster exhaust whitch was $494.

Much like the Attitude you have to add to the Edge to go from 90hp to 125hp...

Yeah Ok. They're almost the same..:rolleyes:

You know as well as anyone that the attitude gives you the extra power as well as all of your gauges, speedo correction (on the attitude), 0-60, 1/4 mile and a ton of other stuff.

Not even a comparison there pal...

Yeah Ok. They're almost the same..:rolleyes:

You know as well as anyone that the attitude gives you the extra power as well as all of your gauges, speedo correction (on the attitude), 0-60, 1/4 mile and a ton of other stuff.

Not even a comparison there pal...

Yes, and it's $250 instead of $99. That's not the issue here. It's about why Banks didn't build the Speedloader software into the Six-Gun. The same can be said about ANYTHING. Why does the Bullydog Powerpup come with up to 95hp, requiring you to spend extra to get the 155hp program (LB7)? Pal, the same can be said about ANYTHING.:rant:

Yes, and it's $250 instead of $99. That's not the issue here. It's about why Banks didn't build the Speedloader software into the Six-Gun. The same can be said about ANYTHING. Why does the Bullydog Powerpup come with up to 95hp, requiring you to spend extra to get the 155hp program (LB7)? Pal, the same can be said about ANYTHING.:rant:

1st, I didn't mean anything by "pal". :D

But your Power Pup example is just extra programming it is not an extra module all together like the speed loader. As far as I know the Six Gun is the only module or programmer for that matter that you have to plug a separate box in to reach its highest hp level. It just seems kind of dumb.

But I see your point.

Yes, and it's $250 instead of $99. That's not the issue here. It's about why Banks didn't build the Speedloader software into the Six-Gun. The same can be said about ANYTHING. Why does the Bullydog Powerpup come with up to 95hp, requiring you to spend extra to get the 155hp program (LB7)? Pal, the same can be said about ANYTHING.:rant:

Yeah but the Power Pup is just extra programming, not an extra module all together.

Cumon guys......any banks vrs the world thread we know whats going to happen. This has been hashed out so many times its not funny. A bunch of guys will say that banks is over priced and hyped. Scotty will chime in and say he is happy with its performance and value, squabling back and forth, Scotty stiring the pot a bit with the edge guys doing the same......followed by my tinfoil hat comments :D Lets just keep it all in fun or informative. The performace modifications you chose have no effect on the size of your pee pee.....trust me.....my old truck would anialte most of your guys rigs and at no point in ownership of my truck did I notice any change in lenght or girth ;)

Take a look at the features of each and the price of each. Forget the HP numbers etc.....they both will add the same on a stock trans. Now take into account there are some that say the edge is more trouble prone.....edge guys will say that becasue of more of em out ther or edge has excellent customer service(witch IMO they do have some of the best in the industry) And decide if the features etc vrs price etc and what looks good to you. THROW OUT any HP or claimed perfomance differences PERIOD. Chose based on this has x button I like etc. All will perform the same on a stock trans truck.

If I had to pick between the 6 gun and the egde I'd probably pick the edge any day of the week.

My thing is, when its picking between the 6 gun w/pda vs edge/*** I pick the banks any day of the week. Yes its more money, but worth it in my case.

If I had to pick between the 6 gun and the egde I'd probably pick the edge any day of the week.

My thing is, when its picking between the 6 gun w/pda vs edge/*** I pick the banks any day of the week. Yes its more money, but worth it in my case.

What does the PDA give you that Edge does not? I'm leaning this way because I could use the PDA at work and not just in the truck. Until I buy the 5ver I do not "need" all that extra power. But I would like to know what is going on with my truck since I plan to keep it for a very long time. From what I have read the PDA gives you a lot of info.

But then what do I know? I'm new to all this. Wish this could be discussed just on the functions each. Leave $$ and customer service out of it. I know that is part of it but us newbies need to know how things work.

What does the PDA give you that Edge does not? I'm leaning this way because I could use the PDA at work and not just in the truck. Until I buy the 5ver I do not "need" all that extra power. But I would like to know what is going on with my truck since I plan to keep it for a very long time. From what I have read the PDA gives you a lot of info.

But then what do I know? I'm new to all this. Wish this could be discussed just on the functions each. Leave $$ and customer service out of it. I know that is part of it but us newbies need to know how things work.

I'm with ya rdean!! Where can we just find a list of all functions, options,readouts and such, with a check YES or NO as to what each provides and let ME deside.
I'm sure both will provide plenty of additional power



:cool2: Bud

has anyone used both of these products on the same truck? if so, what were the differences in power, etc... I know the Banks PDA setup has more functions, but how about power, issues, etc...?

thanks

I can't for the life of me figure out why some members continue to preach how great the harness boxes perform! Why? :confuzeld Do you guys realize that harness boxes increase power by fooling the ECM? What about speedo correction, speed limiters, EGR, transmission shifting, the list goes on and on. Why not program the ECM with the desired parameters to begin with?

IMO, skip ALL the harness type power adders, get real gauges, pick an EFILive tuner of your choice and work with him to get exactly what you want out of your truck. You will be much happier with the way your truck performs.


If you want a gadget to mount on your dash buy a G-tech!