I've had my Quad-135 installed since January 10. I installed using level 3 110 mode. Worked real well. No problems except that twice while I was just cruising down the highway the alli went limp. Never hapened under acceleration, etc., only cruising. I've been very happy with the Quad-135 as it has delivered more than expected in the power dept.


A week ago I went to level-4 135 mode and ever since I have limped the tranny every day while cruising on the highway at 70-75 mph. This is not under acceleration.


So, I went out this afternoon and it did the same thing (limped) on two runs. Went back to stock programming and it was fine for two runs. I just changed it back to level-3 110 and will try this same routine tomorrow.



I just sent and e-mail off to Quad but was wondering if anyone has encounterd the same?








It's too bad, because it runs really well, save the limping in level-4 135.

TJ





Does it thru a code (ses) you need to clear or does it feel like someone just turns the key off like you hit the speed limiter ??


If no SES then send it in for most recent upgrade ...


If it is throwing a SES P0700 ,retrieve TCM code ,order clutches and Transgo kit and consider a torque converter of your choice ...


Mac

Hey Mac --


It's just like the key gets turned off. Supposedly this was the latest upgrade around Jan1.

Never hapened to me in over 7000 miles running the 135 tune.

I have a funny feeling it is 01 spacific ... Well it's good news for you your tranny is OK ....


Mine has done it ,exspecially the colder the air and when held at same throttle position crusing along ....When I varied throttle position it would not do it ....


I have the newest version 1.9 something now and will let you know if it still happens ...First test tomorrow am ....


Still pursue Quad and see what he replies ....


Mac

I have never had that happen either and im over 7k running in the 135 mode only. Haven't limped it yet. I have version 1.12 Edited by: silvermax

Well . . . I would understand if it happened when under power accelerating. But it happens when i'm just cruising along. It has also happened when I'm just slightly applying pressure and passing someone, etc.

I have 18,000 miles on 110 and 135, and I have never under any condition limped in the 110 setting. And believe me I`ve tried.


Now the 135 in another story. Under full throttle it will limp every time at about 90 mph. But never under normal driving. (which normal to me is still driving hard)

I had the Quad 135 and sold it and bought a 165 . I have never encountered a problem.

Have the 165, running in the 110, smooth as silk, no limpolas. Nice shifts too. Gotta feeling the 165 would make the Alli cry uncle tho..



Mike

I have run the Quad 165 on about 5 occasions at the track and have yet to limp. I am sure it will happen eventually but no problems yet. Have had real good luck with the 165 as far as 1/4 times go.

I have run the Quad 165 on about 5 occasions at the track and have yet to limp. I am sure it will happen eventually but no problems yet. Have had real good luck with the 165 as far as 1/4 times go.


So what are your times? I am also running the 165hp and have yet to limp the Allison. With the weather around here, and all the tracks closed, I have no clue as to my 1/4 mile times, but I'm curious.

What times are you getting with the 165 if you don't mind me asking?

13.8 in 1/4


1.8 60 ft time

Trader Jack: Mine sometimes takes a mile or so after slippage for a code to set, then it limps?

JRmac, what mods. do you have?

Currently a Quad215 & TSTcomp(the latest model)

Trader Jack: Mine sometimes takes a mile or so after slippage for a code to set, then it limps?





I better call Suncoast my tranny is slipping ,then!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I have never and I'm sure TraderJack hasn't either "neutraled" his tranny just "crusing" down the interstate because of tranny slip .... I have "zinged" "neutalized" "limped" more times then I can remember ... One common fact ,always right foot was pressing on the "GO" peddle ...


In this case as he has stated and I NO ON THE GO ,unless I'm reading sum'tin different ....


You Jr ??


Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gifEdited by: Mackin

OR since it is a 2001, is it really a tranny issue, or a false trouble code for MAF or overboost? If the early style air box and initial programming has not yet been updated...





The Quad tuner has the ability to read/clear codes in the engine data, so if there is nothing there, or unknown code it will be transmission.

SEND IT BACK SOMETHING IS WRONG 01-04 DOES NOT MATTER YOU SHOULD NOT LIMP UNLESS SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT


I HAVE ONE THAT WILL LIMP IN 70HP MODE.


SOME DAY I WILL POST THE DYNO ON IT,LETS JUST SAY SEND IT BACK IF YOU LIKE YOUR TRANS.

OR since it is a 2001, is it really a tranny issue, or a false trouble code for MAF or overboost? If the early style air box and initial programming has not yet been updated...





The Quad tuner has the ability to read/clear codes in the engine data, so if there is nothing there, or unknown code it will be transmission.





I have thrown both once ,while getting the " loss in acceleration mode"... All current reflashes and AFE setup ....


Could be a form of defuel like HOOT was getting with Pane ,duno ...


It didn't do it this morning 30* but I still feel it is for some odd reason cold temp related in my case ... It has only done it in the morning like morning sickness .... Maybe it's pregnant ....





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** I must add that if you get into the throttle when "oh what a NO GO feeling" kicks in it will stumble pretty good .... That is when it finally threw the codes as I was persistant in trying to get the acceleration ability to return .... **Edited by: Mackin

I've never limped or zinged my alli but the 135 tune sure seems to defuel on shifting more than the 70 or 110 tunes do. Has anyone else noticed that?

OR since it is a 2001, is it really a tranny issue, or a false trouble code for MAF or overboost? If the early style air box and initial programming has not yet been updated...





The Quad tuner has the ability to read/clear codes in the engine data, so if there is nothing there, or unknown code it will be transmission.


It didn't do it this morning 30* but I still feel it is for some odd reason cold temp related in my case ... It has only done it in the morning like morning sickness .... Maybe it's pregnant ....


Well, the truck is an '01 with 30,000 that has had the programming and driveshaft upgraded in '02. I'm running a K&N filer with Banks 4" pipe. It was never a problem until using the level-4 135 mode. It did happen one time (after 3 weeks) at 15 degrees in the 110 mode, but never since.


It does not set any codes. It goes like this . . . cruising along at 70-75 and shifts into od, then no go. I put into neutral, no codes, warnings, flags, messages, etc. Rev it a couple of times in neutral, and back into drive when it limps along and finally corrects itself somewhat. First stop, I put it in park, back into gear, and all is well in the world again. No messages, flashing lights, nothing.


I went back to "stock" yesterday and could not make it happen under any condition. I went to level-3 110 mode this am and again, no problems at all. I tried to make it happen tonight and could not when either cruising or under hard acceleration in level-3.


Seems to me it's definitely related to the level-4 135 setting on my '01 for some reason.


I have a call to Quad . . . he already responded by e-mail over the weekend, pretty good support.





Mac . . . I'm the only one that "was" pregnant, my truck is still on the pill. But, since I've been on the "South Presque Isle Beach" diet and dating the treadmill (LuAnn) every morning, I may have to get her on the pill also since I'm getting "frisky" again.


Hey John -- I'm still waiting for the gift you promised me after the ATV Outfitter episode that got me banished by the "court jesters" over on the dark side of the diesel moon a while back. I look every day, but it never shows up . . . hmmm

Quad has responded . . .
<DIV>Jack,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I am a little confused as I have not had this problem happen. What I would suggest is to send your tuner back to me and let me try a new tune to see if we can fix this. I am thinking that for some reason your transmission is seeing something it does not like. I do not know what this is, but I would love to try our "newest" tunes which aren't released yet and see if that fixes your problems. Also the newer tuner will have a transmission reset on it and maybe that will help as well.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>No need to give the FedEx # we will ship it back to you on our dime.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I will ship it with the same service you send it to me.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Quad</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Now that's what I call great service from Quadzilla. It's refreshing to hear that, particularly when the problem seems to be somewhat unique and not widespread.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>

Call me a cheerleader if you want, but that is the kind of service I rec'd from Quad &amp; staff!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

Call me a cheerleader if you want, but that is the kind of service I rec'd from Quad &amp; staff!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif


Yea Quad has always answerd all my questions quickly,I echo DMAX2DAMAX...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

I've got to chime in here. The service and phone support I recieved from Quad and his staff were above and beyond excellent.

You guys must be living right for the 135 and 165 stealth not making the alli limp like a three legged dog.


I have never been able to get through the 1/4 mile run without limping/zinging the alli.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif It does not matter if I run the truck at the 135 hp setting for a month or an hour, at about 90-92 mph it zings every time under full throttle.

You guys must be living right for the 135 and 165 stealth not making the alli limp like a three legged dog.


I have never been able to get through the 1/4 mile run without limping/zinging the alli.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif It does not matter if I run the truck at the 135 hp setting for a month or an hour, at about 90-92 mph it zings every time under full throttle.





Just a coincidence, is that where the factory speed limiter occurs? http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

You guys must be living right for the 135 and 165 stealth not making the alli limp like a three legged dog.


I have never been able to get through the 1/4 mile run without limping/zinging the alli.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif It does not matter if I run the truck at the 135 hp setting for a month or an hour, at about 90-92 mph it zings every time under full throttle.





Mine hasn't limped yet,I run it pretty hard. Its been in the 135 setting 95% of the time. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

It will be interesting to see if the new tunes Quad is releasing will affect this in any way. It's worth a try so I'm FedExing the box back to him tomorrow.


I'll let you know how it turns out.

You guys must be living right for the 135 and 165 stealth not making the alli limp like a three legged dog.


I have never been able to get through the 1/4 mile run without limping/zinging the alli.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif It does not matter if I run the truck at the 135 hp setting for a month or an hour, at about 90-92 mph it zings every time under full throttle.





I have run the Quad 165 and the juice on level 2 and have yet to zing the alli., but I know its coming.Edited by: rpbdawg

I've never zinged mine because I always get out of it before the 4-5 shift. Helped Amric with his ATS install Saturday, his clutches looked very good, and he's been running 135 and 165. He also does not stay in it throught the 4-5 shift.

It will be interesting to see if the new tunes Quad is releasing will affect this in any way. It's worth a try so I'm FedExing the box back to him tomorrow.


I'll let you know how it turns out.








I had a chance to run them.......I think you will be very happy...


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Just a coincidence, is that where the factory speed limiter occurs? http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif





What`s a speed limiter?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif No not hardly! I have had the tach reading just over 3400 rpm in 5th gear with 285/75/16 inch tires. I don`t know the speed, But I am guessing it is a little more then the factory speed limiter would allowhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif I am guessing 125 + or - a little.

It will be interesting to see if the new tunes Quad is releasing will affect this in any way. It's worth a try so I'm FedExing the box back to him tomorrow.


I'll let you know how it turns out.


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Well . . I received the new tunes back from Quad in 1 day. I installed the L3 110 hp tunes and reset the tranny. Almost every time I'm cruising down the highway at 2000 - 2000 rpm it will act just like it hits the rev limiter and will shut off. At one point I thought the tranny was limping, but it is not. No codes set, nothing, just no go. It's just like the key gets turned off. today i kept my foot about 1/4 way on the accelerator when this happened and in about 20 sec. it took off like crazy again.


Feels just like the rev limiter gets hit and it backs away for a little while. During this time you can't even rev the engine in neutral. If I vary the speed it doesn't seem to do it as often. It's driving me nuts.


I put it in level 4 135 mode yesterday and it did the same thing twice. It did not do it today for some strange reason. I go back to stock, and no problem at all.


Tell you one thing, I really like the new 135 tune for power, smoke, etc. but they have to get this problem resolved to make it usable . . . it's a real pain right now.


Is anyone else experiencing this?

2001..............

I wished you weren't 2000 miles away. I also wished that if we have a problem we coiuld get it on more than 1 vehicle. This makes it tough.





Ok so we know that the software really does not make a difference in what is going on. Obviously it only happens when the truck is tuned, but it seems to not matter which software is in the ECM. With 3 different tunes causing the same problem, I would say that we need to start looking at sensors or something?





I do not know exactly where to start, but it seems that maybe some sensor is either seeing too much or too little of something and then fixing itself. I have seen this with a map sensor leak or a maf leak or something where and o-ring causes a problem, although this sounds more severe.





When this happens do the gauges die? Does the tach drop? Other than you have no power for a certain amount of time, what else happens that might matter?


I would love to try and help you figure this out, but I also don't want to cause any problem having your truck basically die when you are driving it.








Quad

This sounds very similar to a problem I had with my original Predator tunes. It would just act like it hit a rev limiter, it would maintain speed, but wouldnt go any faster for about 10 seconds or so, then it would come back and everything was fine. It did it worse pulling a trailer in the 40hp tune. I dont know what Predator did to fix this but, the tunes I was sent did eliminate this problem. By the way, mine is a 2001.

That's very similar to what this Quad-135 box does. Except it really dies, just like you shut it off for 20-30 sec. I was able to run on level-3 110 with the old tunes, but not on L-4 -135. But with the new tunes, neither the L-3 or L-4 tunes will work. Both do the same right around the 2000-2200 rpm mark when cruising. I can hammer it from a stop up to 80 and not a problem as long as I'm accelerating hard. I cruise on down the highway at 65-75 and it will quit on me. Go figure.


I'ts become a royal pain in the a$$ having to deal with it. It shuts down for about 20 - 30 seconds. The worse part is they are making me believe that "it's just my truck" doing this. Sorry guys, This '01 has only 30,000 miles and has been treated very nicely and maintained well. It had one dealer flash upgrade duiring the fall of '01. One thing for sure. The problem goes away in stock tune. What does that tell us?


I guess I have to find another tuner that will work properly on an '01 is what it tells me. This Quad-135 box just doesn't do it with all the problems.


Sorry Quad, the performance is nice, but it's really not worth all the problems. It's also too bad you have only responded about this problem in this forum, since I left you several mesages. Anyone else there doesn't seem to have a clue . . . All I get is "we've never had that happen before". They are nice, but really no help is forthcoming at all.


I feel like and alien.

Any suggestions as to a fix, or another turner that will work with an '01? Doesn't look like Quadzilla Performance has an answer.


I'm open to suggetions. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

Is There A Member Near You That Can Try Your Quad To Compare?

Hey . . . I'm willing to experiment. I'm just not real high on Quadzilla right now, they have not helped me resolve this at all. its been going on for a month now. I've had several "private" messages that indicate a problem exists. Why is it that their box looks just like Bully Dog, or am I imagining this? Maybe all is not what it seems to be. I really don't care . . . as long as it works without problems.


H E L P ! Where are you . . . ?

Well - - -


I guess I'll have to return my quad-135 box back to Quadzilla and try to get my money back. It seems I'm the only one on this planet that is having a problem. (yeah . . . right) Apparently their idea is not to solve the problem, they just don't want to deal with it, so now it's my problem, not theirs.


Boy, I wish I could run my business like that.


So be it . . . they don't want to solve the problem, so now I have to get another box that works. It's too bad, the power was pretty good with the new tunes, but having it just quit for 20-30 sec. when cruising down the highway is a safety issue that I don't need to put up with.


I'm open to suggestions as to what to replace it with. Looks like Juice, Bully Dog, TTS, or something is in my future.


Any ideas?

Has quad sent you a differant box to try?

Got Mine Back Today, My Only Down Fall Is The Motor Chatter, Other Than That No Trouble At All, Runs Good

Has quad sent you a differant box to try?





No . . . not another box. I did send mine back to have reprogrammed with the latest tunes, but that actually made it worse. Before I could use the Level 3-110 tune, but not the L4-135. Since the reprogram, I can't use either.


They never offered to actually replace the box itself.

Trader Jack- Once this happens have you pulled over and seen if there is a dtc code stored???? Just a thought, but maybe your ses light is buggered, or you are getting off of the throttle fast enough that it doesn't sense the problem anymore, so it doesn't throw the code.


Your not alone on this problem. We've got a truck up here with the same problem, by the sounds of it. Its an 01 and he originally bought a superchips tuner. Would throw a p0234 code(overboost) in the 90hp setting, Same with the 70hp, but when dropped down to the 50 hp level it would work fine, but not the power he wanted. We switched him out for a Quad tuner and put in the 110 setting, thinking maybe the Quad tuner has different mapping and its just Superchips mapping thats screwing things up. Well same thing, just keeps throwing overboost code when in higher levels, but once put into lower tunes its fine.


He has not had any dealer flashes done, and i advised that he get them done as this hopefully will fix his overboost code. He went to the dealer and got some flashes, i haven't seen the work order to see if they did the right ones(i have a feeling they just did the tcm flash, by what the customer is telling us), but it still is throwing the code. Once its confirmed that the right flash was done, then we're back to scratchin our heads.


I am assuming this is the same problem. When the customer explained what was going on over the phone after the first time it happened, he thought it was limp mode and it was a tranny problem. The way he descibed it, made me think it wasn't the traanny but an overboost situation. The way you describe it sounds the same, almost.


I have had this problem with my truck when running the predator, way back when, just cruising at a constant speed and all of a sudden fall on its face, so i know alittle about it, but don't have the problem running the quad. The fellow i just described, his build date was early 01, whereas mine is mid year of 01 so maybe its an early 01 build date problem with programming or mapping. I know our 01 pcms are quite a bit different than the 02 and 03s, hence no speed delimiter capabilities, so maybe its along the same lines.


Not trying to defend Quad, but its pretty hard to make the tuner work on anybodies truck that has this problem, if he doesn't have one there to try and figure out. Also if you haven't been able to get a hold of him as of late, i would imagine he is pretty busy with a certain little bambino.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif


If we figure out the problem with this guys truck, i'll let you know the fix, if you still have the Quad tuner at that point.

Thanks heartbeatcanada.


I just want the solution resolved. I have talked with people who have run Bully Dog units, TTS units and Edge and they don't "seem" to be having this problem.


My truck was built in April '01 and I had the updates done to it in late '01 at the dealer. I'm running a K&amp;N, but have tried the Amsoil unit and a Banks 4".


I think it's kinda like the Edge problem where maybe 1 in 20 are hard to start.


I'm going to try all of the lower settings today and see what happens. Thus far their original setup in L-3-110 mode was the best for me.

Trader Jack- Once this happens have you pulled over and seen if there is a dtc code stored???? Just a thought, but maybe your ses light is buggered, or you are getting off of the throttle fast enough that it doesn't sense the problem anymore, so it doesn't throw the code.


Your not alone on this problem. We've got a truck up here with the same problem, by the sounds of it. Its an 01 and he originally bought a superchips tuner. Would throw a p0234 code(overboost) in the 90hp setting, Same with the 70hp, but when dropped down to the 50 hp level it would work fine, but not the power he wanted. We switched him out for a Quad tuner and put in the 110 setting, thinking maybe the Quad tuner has different mapping and its just Superchips mapping thats screwing things up. Well same thing, just keeps throwing overboost code when in higher levels, but once put into lower tunes its fine.





Well . . . Over the weekend I tried all the settings and finally got it to throw a code at exactly the same time it fall flat on it's face. Thus far it had never thrown a code it could detect with a dash light or the box. It did today on L2-90 setting. Previously it would react the same, but no lights or codes. The box is a Quad 135 with L1-70, L2-90, L3-110 and L4-135 with his latest tunes. Today was the first time that the SES light came on at exactly the time it falls off. It is the 0234 overboost code when cruising along. at 65-75 mph. It does not throw it when I'm accelerating at all, only cruising. It actually feels exactly like when you hit a rev limiter and the engine is told to shut down for 20 seconds or so. It's a pita on the interstate, I almost had a Mack truck kiss my butt this afternoon. (No disrespect Mackin)


I have noticed that when this first started happening I had the K&amp;N filter in and it would do it on demand. I swapped out the K&amp;N for a stock filter and it didn't do it nearly as often, but it still does it quite easily.


I talked to Stan at Quadzila today, he talked with Quad, and I'm looking for them to hopefully come up with a solution. Apparently they think they have a fix . . . I certainly hope they do so quickly.