I haven't heard from anybody saying what they think about the Transgo kit. I've been debating between it and a co-pilot. How much is the transgo kit? If its quite a bit cheaper I would prefer it till I could afford to go all out, thats if its any good.

I have it and it works very good. Its the most economical solution out there by far. I think it takes care off all of the down falls the Allison may posess. Of course, it depends on how much power you are gonna make and what you wanna do with it. Daily driver, w/ occasional racing and street romping your fine, gonna drag it and truck pull, might wanna spend some more and go with a higher end kit. It also depends on your budget. Regardless of what you do, I highly recommend replacing the stock conv with a stouter unit.


You can get the kit from TTS, Suncoast or myself, Price is about the same which ever way you go. I would advise replacing the C2 clutches while you have it apart and at least check carefully the C1 and C3's.

dmaxalliTech: Did you replace your T/Converter?

Truck's for towing (20k+ lbs through mtn passes), and the occasional cheeky Mustang, and commuting (mostly). Chip: currently the Banks Stinger, looking at upgrading to the 6-gun OR the Juice/Attitude, not planning on stacking chips.


dmaxalliTech, if I read you right, in your opinion, the Transgo should be fine? Suggestions for T/C?


--Rob





I have it and it works very good. Its the most economical solution out there by far. I think it takes care off all of the down falls the Allison may posess. Of course, it depends on how much power you are gonna make and what you wanna do with it. Daily driver, w/ occasional racing and street romping your fine, gonna drag it and truck pull, might wanna spend some more and go with a higher end kit. It also depends on your budget. Regardless of what you do, I highly recommend replacing the stock conv with a stouter unit.


You can get the kit from TTS, Suncoast or myself, Price is about the same which ever way you go. I would advise replacing the C2 clutches while you have it apart and at least check carefully the C1 and C3's.

JRMac, no, I didnt replace my conv at time of install. I knew at that time it was a bad idea, but didnt have the extra cash to float a new one at the time. It isnt a huge concern for me becuase I can slip a new conv in the truck in just a few hours, with out paying somebody.. If I had to pay labor, I would have done converter up front to save paying labor to r&r twice.


As far as what conv.... I will likely go with the TTS single disk when I upgrade. I dont think a triple is needed for these applications, however, when you high HP guys go to the more involved kits then I think a triple is an obvious choice.
RyeGuy, The transgo kit will suite your just fine.

When transmission is out for mods, C3 clutches must be checked as well as piston for alignment. If C3's are burned, C4's might be toast as well along with misalignment of the C4 piston and clutches.


Eric


been seeing C1 frictions eating C1 steel plates as far as wear. No heat checks, no burn marks on steels. The C1 steels seem to be worn 2- 4 thousands where the friction material touches(on each side). What have you seen?


mike

Mike,


I will be replacing my C3 clutches next weekend (28th). Can you Post or PM me with more information on the proper way to align the piston?

Mike,


I will be replacing my C3 clutches next weekend (28th). Can you Post or PM me with more information on the proper way to align the piston?





It's very simple the .090 Orifice (hole) faces exactly or as close as possible to 12:00 o'clock position .... That would be the top of case of the Allison or body side ...





Mac Edited by: Mackin

Mike,


I will be replacing my C3 clutches next weekend (28th). Can you Post or PM me with more information on the proper way to align the piston?





It's very simple the .090 Orifice (hole) faces exactly or as close as possible to 12:00 o'clock position .... That would be the top of case of the Allison or body side ...





Mac


And then what Mack? It doesn't really matter if the squirt hole is at twelve, one, or eleven. It's what you do after that that counts.

Mike,


I will be replacing my C3 clutches next weekend (28th). Can you Post or PM me with more information on the proper way to align the piston?





It's very simple the .090 Orifice (hole) faces exactly or as close as possible to 12:00 o'clock position .... That would be the top of case of the Allison or body side ...





Mac


And then what Mack? It doesn't really matter if the squirt hole is at twelve, one, or eleven. It's what you do after that that counts.





What is this a test ?? Take it teach ,I wont steal your thunder .... I thought he wanted Piston hole direction ... If he's diss'ass'embling and reassembling minus a service manual for the 1000 series he's a bit of a gambler ....





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gifEdited by: Mackin

Mack


Don't have thunder, don't need it. Tech manual will not help or show you anything on the subject. Ally was designed to be a h/d trans at normal speeds pulling normal loads. It shines under these circumstances most of the time. Most of us here are asking for more. Modifications have to change as well. Ask Joe Webb.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Mack


Don't have thunder, don't need it. Tech manual will not help or show you anything on the subject. Ally was designed to be a h/d trans at normal speeds pulling normal loads. It shines under these circumstances most of the time. Most of us here are asking for more. Modifications have to change as well. Ask Joe Webb.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif





I aligned my C3 C4 along Allisons recomendations .... I rolled out at nearly 500 HP for break in .... Joe Webb dissassembled my tranny do to a TC issue after the fact and for level V upgrade .... Clutch packs looked "never" applied ,ask Joe Webb ...





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Mac


Allison does not align clutches nor do they show anything on it. They tell you to stack them in the case. They say nothing about squirt hole position because i don't think they care, nor does it matter a lot for normal hauling. As far as what your clutches looked like, i don't know, but it matches what your truck looks like. I have been told it is so clean and buetifull you can eat off the frame rails.( that sir was a complement, not a wise crack)http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

They say nothing about squirt hole position because i don't think they care,


Mike I can fax you a copy from the Allison manual that I have that surely states to align the "squirt" hole at midnight ....


This is a Service manual direct from Allison .... I have seen others (non allison)that make no refferance ...





Maybe your books are old ....


Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif

Mac


I would really like to see it. I have all the latest manuals from Allison as does Transgo and we have not found that info in print.


mikehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Is there a certain kind of clutches you should replace the burnt ones with? Or just add more packs?

There are different opinions on clutch brand, i still prefer B/W oem clutches. I think adding clutches is good as long as you do not make the steel plates thinner.


mike

It's what you do after that that counts.





Mike, not trying to be a smart ass but what do you mean by this? Is there something that needs to be done or should be done or do you just mean that you need to make sure you dont fubar the rest of the build?


I am very interested in this topic since I have been feeling the BOMBing bug and am worried of nuking the allison. I would like to do a trany mod myself and have all the basic tools/lift and a pit. I have built motors and worked on stuff but got cold feet when my last trany blew up and I chickend out at the though of a rebuild. I plow with my truck and currently am running the attitude in 90hp since I dont want to nuke something. Not going to race it seriously just play around. If I did the trany mod I would beg and plead and sign my life and what ever else if the edge would send me the box that they dont really admit to having. If they wont then it will be the big quad. The kit and converter is a heck of a lot cheaper then the auto pilot and I dont think thats an option. Clutches are cheap right? Might as well replace all them since I would have the whole thing apart right?


So this route sound like something I could handle and would work for me?


I know I can hang with a turbo eclipse with 900# of brick in the back but I want more power! I think my truck only slightly scares my GF but I want to go for the squealing in terror power level for my passengershttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif

Just checked my Allison manual, makes no mention of aligning anything, just stack them in. But is is a year old. maybe new ones are updated? Like Mike L said, it makes no difference likely in a stock truck, its something that Trans go found and others that were in devolopment.

I'm on it boys .... Geerhead has the Allison manual it's not in my possession, but I will be in contact with him ....


It was a lose leaflet manual with full pull out schematics on complete tear down and reassemble service manual direct from Allison ....


I'm sure if he reads this he will also confirm ....





Mac http://mail.wackywack.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif

Mac


Sounds like the same manual i have(loose leaf with pullout schematics).


mike

holy book no doubthttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

They say nothing about squirt hole position because i don't think they care,


Mike I can fax you a copy from the Allison manual that I have that surely states to align the "squirt" hole at midnight ....


This is a Service manual direct from Allison .... I have seen others (non allison)that make no refferance ...





Maybe your books are old ....


Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif





All I know is never ever align your face with the squirt hole....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Shocked.gif

It doesn't really matter if the squirt hole is at twelve, one, or eleven. It's what you do after that that counts.


So what do you do after that???????????

Install the transmission.


Then pull it out.





Then install it again.


Then pull it out again.





Then install it again.


Then pull it out again.





I think you leave it in at this point.


There might be a few more steps, but I wasn't there, so I'm a little fuzzy on all of it. Sorry. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif

LMFAO


Bill

Amric


I thought you were getting an ATS.

I'm getting the ATS in kit form. I will be installing all the clutch packs myself.

Did ATS send instructions? Joe Webb at Suncoast does

The ATS kit has not shown up yet, but they said it would have very detailed instructions with many pictures. When I called Suncoast, they said their kit did not come with any instructions and I would need a transmission shop do the install. This is one of the reasons I chose ATS over Suncoast.


Since I don't have the instructions in my hands yet, I do not know if they will cover any special setup of the C3 clutches, or if they will just cover the basics.

Amric,


I am sure if you can not find the answers you are looking for here on the "Place", then a quick call to ATS will give you everything you need. Please start an ATS thread when you begin the install!

ATS includes instructions, but I found a few spots to be very confusing, And I know these trannies pretty goodhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

Thats why I was hoping to get some tips from the resident experts.

Hey, no worries, I'm gonna help you with the install. I just fixed my vaccum cleaner, hopped up the brushes and motor, it's a beast now! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif
An Allison Transmission..NO PROBLEMOhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Thumbs Up.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif


Mike
(I still remember the American Transmission commercial from about 20yrs ago,..unwitting customer takes his vehicle in to a corner repair shop for trans service..toothless wrench at the counter tells his boss "gee boss, always wanted to fix a transmission!" )

Put extra pieces in a box use them next time around.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Ok, this thread just brought back flashbacks from when I was 16, and swapped the T350 in my Monte, and had a bucket of bolts left over...


Amric, if you want/need some help, lemme know. I'm tempted to get in to my own tranny at some point, and wouldn't mind looking over someone else's shoulder and offering some elbow grease... Also, I see in your avatar a pic of a TJ - you might be interested in seeing my TJ: hybrid 9"/mog portals w/ rear stear! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif

mog portals w/ rear stear!


WOW!!!! mog portals. Sounds like the kind of Jeep I would like to build one day when my fabrication skills get a little better. It's nowhere near as nice as your, but I've got a few pictures of the jeep here: http://www.ntinnovations.com/Jeep


I've got enough help on the Allison install, but if you want to stop by anyway, your more than welcome (Pizza and Beer for everyone). The kit hasn't arrived yet, but there's still 4 more delivery days before Saturday, so its probably too soon to worry. I'll be calling them to see whats up if it doesn't arrive by tommorow.

oh oh!! Can I come too??? Free Beer?

PM me with when/where you're doing the tranny, and I'll swing by if I can - thanks!


Jeep looks good - like the cage.

The more the merrier. It'll be a garage party.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

JRmac


why are you so private? do you exist? why does everything come up 0 on your profile? everyone here calls me, emails me, pm's me, hell a few of the guys call me at home. think you should change that. i have friends that will find who you are, so either disapear or i go hunting.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


ps


you post again and dont change profile with info, i will hunt you down and give the info. ALL the info.


your friend, mikehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

I just did the ATS trans. I was gonna have Mike L. do it, but my schedule wouldn't let me get there before the SOCAL dyno day. Bummer, I was really looking forward to Mike's opinion of the whole kit.


I ended up having a friend of mine (Tom's Transmission) who had never seen the inside of one of these Allisons before, do it. Handed him the parts along with the instructions some cash and all is well.


I have the instructions if you need them. I can scan them if needed.


For those of you in the SoCal area:


Inglewood Transmission: 310-674-4400.


Tom's Transmission, Canyon Country. 661-251-3438.

JRmac


why are you so private? do you exist? why does everything come up 0 on your profile? everyone here calls me, emails me, pm's me, hell a few of the guys call me at home. think you should change that. i have friends that will find who you are, so either disapear or i go hunting.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


ps


you post again and dont change profile with info, i will hunt you down and give the info. ALL the info.


your friend, mikehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifROTFLMAO http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

So is the general idea a regular joe with a deccent mechanical ability and some regular tools do a ats kit or transgo kit with the converter and clutches in a day or 2 tops without much problem? Or will get a final oppinion next week?


Now to decide whos is better for my needs if I can do the instal???http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif


If all I gota do to get you here is free beer I'll buy a keg every weekend Erichttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif I kinda like amberbock, That work?Edited by: ratlover

If all I gota do to get you here is free beer I'll buy a keg every weekend Erichttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif I kinda like amberbock, That work?


Whoa, amberrock??


The free beer will get me there, but I dont work very good when there is free beer, I was only going to Amrics for the brew's... They got enough help putting that thing inhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif