Am I the only one with a Banks Six-Gun, or isn't anybody else talking about it?

Look at peoples signatures. There's a handful of us out here.

I guess I should have worded it different. I realize that there's a few out there that own one, but nobody seems to remark on the performance of it. All I've seen is commenting on the dyno charts. Are people happy with it? Dissappointed? What's everybody else running in the 1/4? I've seen lots of times for other performance modules, but so far I think I'm the only one that ran the Six-Gun through the quarter....

Count me in on this one. it might not have any torque but mine will pull 10000 lbs. up a 6 mile grade at 6% in OD at 1600 rpm. without downshifting to 4th at 60 mph. in #3 setting. egt's never hit 1200 on any grade on a 700 mile trip. product is well engineered IMHO and wuoldn't trade it for any other tuner. safety is more important than winning dragraces in my book.

Hi Scott,


I installed (partially, still have to put on the speed loader option) mine on Monday. Don't know what the 1/4 mile times are or will be. Didn't buy it for that. I will write back after this weekend and let you know how it pulls my 5th wheel though. I am impressed with how it pulls unloaded though and even a couple of buddies think it moves pretty good, especially after they realize the vehicle their in weighs more than 7600lbs.!!!!

I guess I should have worded it different. I realize that there's a few out there that own one, but nobody seems to remark on the performance of it. All I've seen is commenting on the dyno charts. Are people happy with it? Dissappointed? What's everybody else running in the 1/4? I've seen lots of times for other performance modules, but so far I think I'm the only one that ran the Six-Gun through the quarter....




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I have to admit I was pretty hot after I installed the Six-Gun and it barely outran my Hypertech (96hp 165tq). After all, a gain of 59hp and 190tq equals a faster truck. But it does outrun it and you can really feel the power/torque down low. I leave mine on #4 all the time. I like the push in the back you get after it shifts when you haven't even moved the pedal. If it kept up like that, it would probably run a 14.60. But I believe Banks engineered the hp/tq curve to be easy on the tranny as it's getting close to shifting-as you can tell by the charts. I don't think that the Six-Gun will CAUSE any warranty issues. It's got alot of safety built in-especially surrounded the tranny-where most problems are going to accur with this kind of gain in hp/tq. This box is probably one of the best for pulling heavy loads and not having a worry at all. Driving at 60mph (1900 rpm) is where this Banks should be most impressive with hardly any downshifting. Too bad I have nothing to pull except an occasional cooler of beer in the bed.

its real quick on short runs from light to light. not enough room to slow down. i wonder why all of the people are being so hush hush about the six gun. they spend 6000 -7000 for a trans and they own every other tuner created so I'M sure they have a six gun that they have stacked but are keeping it to themselves. If they tested it and it was that bad they would be right out here to give a bad report.

My trucks got a six speed so you can see 1/4 mile times are of zero inportance to me. I want mine to be a long lived tow beast. Towing my 9000 lbs. trailer headwinds don't exist, I don't have to get a run at any grade, I can carry as much firewood as I can cram in the bed and my pyrometer is under control.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif All I need now is a clutch and flywheel thats up to the task.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif

its real quick on short runs from light to light. not enough room to slow down. i wonder why all of the people are being so hush hush about the six gun. they spend 6000 -7000 for a trans and they own every other tuner created so I'M sure they have a six gun that they have stacked but are keeping it to themselves. If they tested it and it was that bad they would be right out here to give a bad report.


Fishhog,


Most of the big power stacks are using the Juice for the low end power and another module to wring out the top end. From what I have seen of the six gun compared to the juice it would be a step back for the horsepower junkies.


It sounds like it does add a good shot of power for a tow truck that will do som occasional racing. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif

http://www.lukclutch.com/catalog/detail.phtml?id=2122&query_year=2003&query_make=Ch evrolet&query_model=Silverado&query_displacement=6 .6L

http://www.lukclutch.com/catalog/detail.phtml?id=2122&query_year=2003&query_make=Ch evrolet&query_model=Silverado&query_displacement=6 .6L


OEM,right ??


Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif

its real quick on short runs from light to light. not enough room to slow down. i wonder why all of the people are being so hush hush about the six gun. they spend 6000 -7000 for a trans and they own every other tuner created so I'M sure they have a six gun that they have stacked but are keeping it to themselves. If they tested it and it was that bad they would be right out here to give a bad report.


I have yet to TRY one .... But I think they pre conclusion of actual power delivered and the delivery would cause me not to have a place in the stable for anouther piece ....I'd rather invest the money into something else ....


I'm not saying there isn't a market for this "style" of product but in the HP wars The Six Gun had it's back against the wall with they "Shot" their mouths off as The MOST POWERFULL box from the get go....


You guys running it enjoy .....





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Edited by: Mackin

Well I'm happy with the Six Gun, it really sets you back in the seat and pulls hard.


I have one of the lighter trucks, Ext cab shortbox, and it hauls a$$. The odd thing about it is that it seems to accelerate just as hard at about half to three-quarters throttle as full.http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif


I don't have anything to compare it to though, anyone want to trade for a week?

http://www.lukclutch.com/catalog/detail.phtml?id=2122&query_year=2003&query_make=Ch evrolet&query_model=Silverado&query_displacement=6 .6L


OEM,right ??


Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif





Mackin,


I am not following your response?

I believe that is the Oringinal Equipment Manufacture Clutch and Flywheel manufacture .... There isn't a aftermarket one available yet ... I think that is what he's looking for to add more power a beefier one ...


Sorry


Mac

Mack,


When you say Luk is the OEM are you saying their clutch is the exact one that came from the factory or are you saying that they can be lumped in the general stock quality replacement categorie?


For example, when you go to the local auto store and buy an oil filter, are they not all OEM? Although Fram seems to get the least respect.


I am familar with several people who have used an over the counter Luk clutch with great results. They seem to build a good performing product with fair pricing. Not as good as a true aftermarket such as Hayes or Centerforce but good for the price.


Regardless of who's clutch you run, you need to get a resurface on your flywheel. It needs to be done right by someone with the tools and skill. This can go a long way to insuring a long lasting clutch.


Mack please do not take my statemnets about OEM as being argumentive. I am truly curious as to your explanation of OEM and so forth. It seems to be a term used here alot on the place, and I am not always sure the exact meaning intended by the author?

I'm pretty sure Luk is the factory supplier ....


I seen it some where it escapes me at the moment where ...





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

If Luk is the factory supplier then it wouldn't do much good to put in another!

its real quick on short runs from light to light. not enough room to slow down. i wonder why all of the people are being so hush hush about the six gun. they spend 6000 -7000 for a trans and they own every other tuner created so I'M sure they have a six gun that they have stacked but are keeping it to themselves. If they tested it and it was that bad they would be right out here to give a bad report.


I have yet to TRY one .... But I think they pre conclusion of actual power delivered and the delivery would cause me not to have a place in the stable for anouther piece ....I'd rather invest the money into something else ....


I'm not saying there isn't a market for this "style" of product but in the HP wars The Six Gun had it's back against the wall with they "Shot" their mouths off as The MOST POWERFULL box from the get go....


You guys running it enjoy .....





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif




while I will admit its not a race box it does have some good and bad
I am not into stacking but thought there had to be someone out there that has already done this. i bought it for a tow module and it does this very well. drag racing is not for me . dyno king costs to much. ill stick to back woods trail riding as my sport. thanks http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/D7Z_TRUCK.jpg

FISHHOG


Your absolutely correct .... Like I said there is a market for the Banks Six Gun .... I think Banks should have capitalized on this not attempted to be a heavy hitter as it appeared to many ....


I will eventually get my paws on a Six Gun to plug and play ....


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Can the Six-Gun be stacked with anything else? I think I already know the answer to this, but thought I should ask anyway. I'm a little reserved about stacking, I just don't think that the engine management in two devices are going to jive 100%. I just want it to be a little more aggressive for drag races. If Banks is reading this thread, what do you think?

Scotty,


By reading your sig. line I see you have some fast cars. These cars do not boast the highest horse power numbers however they are fast. Suspension,aerodynamics,gear ratio, tranny ratio. These are all major factors in your other cars going fast.


The fast Dmaxes on this "place" go fast, not only because of the dyno. numbers but also the driving techniques and dragstrip set up that they are using. To go fast with your truck you will have to master the 5PSI boost launch. You will also have to do some serious tranny upgrades. It has been proven that upgrading your Allison with no other engine modifications will increase power at the rear wheels.


Most of the trucks here driving up and down the highway or running from stop light to stp light are not running a 12 second ET when doing this. The EDGE with Attitude was featured on TRUCKS TV. On level 5 the truck still only ran a high 14 or low 15 ET.


Any single box truck running in street tune will only give you marginal ET's. Have you given any thought to a little shot of propane or NOS?

If Luk is the factory supplier then it wouldn't do much good to put in another!





Your mastery of the obvious is simply astounding. Just Kidding!





"Luuuke...... I am your faaaatherrrr...." http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif

I had a guy come up to me at the lights with a new 6.0 Ford. I motioned for him that I wanted to race. He just shook his head and pointed at the Banks Power emblem on the door. Gotta love those emblems...

Well, heck, if that's all it takes, I'll just run the emblems and leave it stock!





Will the emblems void my warranty? (Sorry for stealing your thunder, Bronco.)

Well, heck, if that's all it takes, I'll just run the emblems and leave it stock!





Will the emblems void my warranty? (Sorry for stealing your thunder, Bronco.)

maybe on your paint job
how much HP is a ALLISON sticker worth

banks stickers are guaranteed not to void your paint warrenty.......if you have an issue, colin says to "bring em on"http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

I hard wire my Banks emblems to the thermocouple to keep them from overheating my pyro.

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I hard wire my Banks emblems to the thermocouple to keep them from overheating my pyro.

I stuck mine to the TCM to protect the trans from too much torq.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Mine were so hot I had to ice'em down!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/284_heavydutywaxjob.jpg

Man we must have been in the same storm!!!


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BRRRRRRRRRR !!!!!!!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Thumbs Down.gif

One of my friends just installed a Bullydog Power Pup with the 155hp upgrade ($715). Holy sh*t! That thing rocks. If you just stomp on the pedal without holding the brake, it will spin through first and halfway through second. This is on an '04, and when the tranny shifts to fifth, it doesn't go into limp-home mode. It flies past 115mph easily. I don't know what the top end is and I didn't get a chance to put in the g-tech, but it will completey waste my truck. Now I'm having second thoughts again about the Six-Gun/speedloader.

One of my friends just installed a Bullydog Power Pup with the 155hp upgrade ($715). Holy sh*t! That thing rocks. If you just stomp on the pedal without holding the brake, it will spin through first and halfway through second. This is on an '04, and when the tranny shifts to fifth, it doesn't go into limp-home mode. It flies past 115mph easily. I don't know what the top end is and I didn't get a chance to put in the g-tech, but it will completey waste my truck. Now I'm having second thoughts again about the Six-Gun/speedloader.

you need to do whats right for you and you alone. as for me i ordered a couple more stickers. this should take care of a selected few on the road.

Scotty the 155hp Bullydog hauls ass, it's not in the same time zone as the Six Gun. When I tried the 155hp Bullydog I could smoke my 35's with a 15 or so mph rolling start in 3rd gear. (6spd standard tranny)

Scotty the 155hp Bullydog hauls ass, it's not in the same time zone as the Six Gun. When I tried the 155hp Bullydog I could smoke my 35's with a 15 or so mph rolling start in 3rd gear. (6spd standard tranny)





Yup, that was a sweet ride!

tried to tell themhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif

My Banks six gun is okay, but it seems kinda weak. Quite frankly I'm not satisfied.

My Banks six gun is okay, but it seems kinda weak. Quite frankly I'm not satisfied.





Welcome and ....................... Good luck !


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I guess I was "learning" to like it, but then I went and drove the Bullydog. Damn. I suppose for the Banks to perform the same as the dog, it would have to be rated a +300hp/+660 tq gain. I wish I would've waited now, this was supposed to be the cats' meow. Like I said before, I hope they will have some sort of an update on this module in the near future. I'll have to wait patiently. Until then, maybe I can scare them off with those awesome "Banks Power" emblems.....

Ya don't get me wrong it's better than stock, but it should yield better performance. I'm keeping my tranny stock so maybe the six gun is the safest.

GJ when are you out this way again? I need another beer soon.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif

I just visited the TTSPowersystems website. They have a programmer for use with chips/modules that can't be removed. I tried TTS because it's the only one out there that can bypass the 2001 speed limiter. I e-mailed them, but they have yet to get back to me. Has anyone tried using this or another programmer WITH the Six-Gun, or can't it be done? With the six-guns safety features and the 155/385 down at 2000rpm and the programmers higher figures further up the rpm scale, this would be ideal. I guess I could just contact Banks themselves, but was wondering if anyone has tried this out. Maybe the Six-Gun is the only unit you can use at one time.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif

GJ when are you out this way again? I need another beer soon.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif


5 more weeks and i think someone might have a package for me back at the wet coast!


Might be another performance mod or 2..... wouldn't want to let any kitties out of the bag or dangle any carrots around here!http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Just an observation: It's amazing how cheap you can get 90hp on these trucks. I wonder how much 90hp would cost on an 8.1. Not to mention that you'd have to run super when you were done.

I strongly encouraged the Banks people at the SoCal dyno meet to come up with some tranny killing power and let it fly for those of us that are on a quest for more. There was a group of us standing there and the Banks people seemed receptive. I told them I wanted to compete against the Sidewinder! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


On edit: Whats all that weird looking stuff all over those two trucks in the picture? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif


Edited by: Trippin

hey guys, I'm new here, actually just registered this evening... I have an 04' Chevy 2500HD, reg. cab, long box 4x4 w/ the Duramax(lb7) and Allison 1000 series... I just bought the truck last week and found out they have the lly engines out now... wish I would have known that when I bought my truck! anyway... I'm not looking for a lot of power, just enough to be SAFE with the tranny and get enough power to compare or exceed (slightly) the new lly engine... does anyone have any suggestions on which performance chip I should get, that wouldn't burn up the tranny... I'm a new diesel owner, actually it's my first "new" truck, I'm only 21 and don't have a lot of money to spend... please respond!!

Hey Trippin, nothing more then a heavy wax job!

Hey StraitDeisel,


I've had experience with two programmers and one module. The Hypertech, Bullydog, and Banks Six-Gun. The Banks is safest of all. The Hypertech i've never had a problem with as well. The Bullydog is safe up to their 95hp setting. The upgrade to 155hp may set the tranny into limp mode when shifting to 5th. Basically, if a program enhances the output past 100hp, make sure that it monitors tranny slippage. Another feature you should look for is the egt temp. The Edge can do this also. Like I said, I believe the Six-Gun is the overall safest for the tranny because of the hp/tq curve. The 155hp/385tq is at 2000rpm and falls from there. The others usually make their claim at around shift point, about 3000-3200rpm. The higher up the rpm scale they make their top output, usually means a faster truck. The Banks Six-Gun compares with about a 100hp chip from others in a race, but has serious low-end torque/hp.