: Interesting ECM Log
Flashscan 11-27-2005, 08:26 PM Hi All,
As we are just about ready to release our LB7 scanner / tuner I thought I show everyone something interesting to give you a bit of an idea on the level of information that can be gathered using our Scantool as opposed to looking at an LCD screen on a $3K TechII.
Looking at the first screen shot I have faded out all the other parameters to highlight the fuel pressure desired and the actual measured pressure.
The Desired Fuel Pressure in MPa (Yellow trace, Desired FRP) is what the ECM is trying to achieve, the Actual Fuel Pressure in MPa (Lt Blue trace, Actual FRP) is what is measured by the Fuel Pressure sensor. I can tell you the rest of this log shows that the Desired and Actual values match very close, but look what happens when it goes to full throttle (look at the Throttle% trace), the Actual rail pressure is about 20MPa below what the ECM is trying to achieve.
The second screen shot shows that when the throttle is lifted the Actual Fuel rail pressure now jumps up to 180MPa at the same time the injector opening times fall from about 2200uS to 240uS.
Cheers,
Ross
Idle_Chatter 11-27-2005, 08:56 PM Great info, Ross, but the pictures are busted links - just red X's
chp777 11-27-2005, 08:56 PM no pics ross just red x's
GMC-2002-Dmax 11-27-2005, 09:09 PM Pretty Red "X" no doubt.........:cool:
.
.
Flashscan 11-27-2005, 09:20 PM Damn!!, our server just puked for some reason and they were linked to that..........I'll put them up here instead.
Thanks,
Ross
Idle_Chatter 11-27-2005, 10:25 PM That got it! When is your LB7 scanner due for release?
Flashscan 11-27-2005, 11:39 PM That got it! When is your LB7 scanner due for release?
First week of December, the scanner at present will also do LLY, but the tuner will only program LB7, LLY programming will be out before Christmas.
Cheers,
Ross
GMC-2002-Dmax 11-27-2005, 11:47 PM So we are going to be able to buy this some time next week or are we looking at the week of Dec 5th ???
How much is the package going to cost and what will it come with.
Thanks,
:cool:
.
.
Trippin 11-28-2005, 12:01 AM Tony,
No Soup for you! :D
:muahaha:
:lol:
Flashscan 11-28-2005, 06:00 AM Tony,
The below should answer to your question about purchasing EFILive.
We are just finalising our software ready to cut to CD, these will be more than likely be manufactured this week.
Orders need to be placed with an EFILive approved distributor or reseller, or via the EFILive store. Here are the links.
Reseller List - http://www.efilive.com/resellers.html
EFILive Store - https://store.efilive.com/
Any order direct from the EFILive store is shipped from New Zealand, not the USA.
Orders will not be shipped until ALL resellers have the correct CD to give each reseller an equal opportunity of gaining your business. (This includes our own online store)
The basic package called 'personal' is $699, like all our packages it allows you to log as many vehicles as you wish, there is no restriction there. It lets you to tune 2 vehicles (any Duramax or LS1), you can add additional vehicles for $99 upto 25 max.
The next level up is called 'commercial', that is $849, it also comes with 2 licenses however can can do an entire ECM reprogram, meaning, update from say a 2001 program to 2003, with this level you can also lock ECM's from anyone alse reading them.
The 'workshop' package is $6999 and this is unlimited everything.
Some resellers are taking "pre release orders" to ensure product is despatched to customers next week. Please contact your preferred reseller to see if they are accepting pre release orders. (Our online store is accepting pre release orders, however you MUST specify you want our DMAX version in the comments field - if this is left blank, you will be shipped our current CD which DOES NOT support Duramax, you would then need to download an update from our website once the software was released.)
Alternatively, if your not interested in the latest installation CD, you can always purchase the product today, and download the software off the EFILive web site when it's available - I don't have the exact timing, but I'd expect it would be available for existing customers to download between Friday December 2 and Sunday December 4th.
Thanks,
Ross
Dave Lewis 11-28-2005, 08:24 AM Ross,
What kind of items would you reprogram using the commercial version as compared to the personal? For an individual user would the commercial version have a benefit over the personal besides tuning?
GMC-2002-Dmax 11-28-2005, 08:52 AM Tony,
The below should answer to your question about purchasing EFILive.
We are just finalising our software ready to cut to CD, these will be more than likely be manufactured this week.
Orders need to be placed with an EFILive approved distributor or reseller, or via the EFILive store. Here are the links.
Reseller List - http://www.efilive.com/resellers.html
EFILive Store - https://store.efilive.com/
Any order direct from the EFILive store is shipped from New Zealand, not the USA.
Orders will not be shipped until ALL resellers have the correct CD to give each reseller an equal opportunity of gaining your business. (This includes our own online store)
The basic package called 'personal' is $699, like all our packages it allows you to log as many vehicles as you wish, there is no restriction there. It lets you to tune 2 vehicles (any Duramax or LS1), you can add additional vehicles for $99 upto 25 max.
The next level up is called 'commercial', that is $849, it also comes with 2 licenses however can can do an entire ECM reprogram, meaning, update from say a 2001 program to 2003, with this level you can also lock ECM's from anyone alse reading them.
The 'workshop' package is $6999 and this is unlimited everything.
Some resellers are taking "pre release orders" to ensure product is despatched to customers next week. Please contact your preferred reseller to see if they are accepting pre release orders. (Our online store is accepting pre release orders, however you MUST specify you want our DMAX version in the comments field - if this is left blank, you will be shipped our current CD which DOES NOT support Duramax, you would then need to download an update from our website once the software was released.)
Alternatively, if your not interested in the latest installation CD, you can always purchase the product today, and download the software off the EFILive web site when it's available - I don't have the exact timing, but I'd expect it would be available for existing customers to download between Friday December 2 and Sunday December 4th.
Thanks,
Ross
Ross,
Can you explain what the personal version will rewrite and what it won't. Also, why does the personal version not allow ECM locking ???
Also, would I be able to compare a 2001 ECM Program with a 2002 to see differences in programming and then with a 2003 or 2004 LB7 ???
I am more interested in what the personal version will not do and what the extra $150.00 will allow you to do.
For me an extra license would be nice in the commercial version.
Thanks,
Tony
DURAtotheMAX 11-28-2005, 10:24 AM What would be the point of upgrading, say 2001 LB7 software to 2004 LB7 software?? IM curious..
Flashscan 11-28-2005, 10:25 AM Both the personal and commercial versions for the Duramax give you the same access to the number of tables / parameters to modify and the same number of initial vehicle licenses, two.
For the LS1 we restrict modification of the Electronic Throttle Response tables to the Commercial only, they are dangerous!!.
The reason the Personal version does not allow locking is because it was thought of as the version that you would purchase if you were tuning your own vehicle, therefore it was not a concern that someone else would read the ECM contents out if you came up with a good tune. The downside is a GM dealer could reflash your ECM at some stage.
The commercial version is aimed primarily at workshops looking to get into tuning but not having to outlay thousands to test the waters. Also remember, we come from an LS1 tuning background, with our LS1 tuning package we offer our own customised PCM operating systems for 3bar boost & valet modes, these require a full PCM re-write, this is why you would need the commercial version in that case. With that you can then lock the PCM too.
If you just want to tune your own truck then the personal will do the job more than adequate.
At some stage in the future we 'may' start to modify the Duramax ECM's like we do with the LS1 and make them do things the factory never programmed into them, in that case you would need a commercial license to re-write the entire ECM. Also, if you purchase a personal version and then later decide you want to upgrade to commercial then it's as easy as purchasing an upgrade license code from us that will transform your adaptor into a commercial version. You don't have to return anything back to base to upgrade. Except if you go from personal/commercial to workshop, workshop requires different firmware in the adaptor.
As of now you cannot compare two files of different years, though you can actually start up two copies of the software and switch between them and copy tables from one to the other. If the files are of the same year then the compare feature is very thorough, we do plan on putting in the compare between years, the LS1 guys also ask about that.
So in short, between personal and commercial the only real difference for Duramax is not being able to update the ECM to another years program and not being able to lock the ECM.
Cheers,
Ross
Flashscan 11-28-2005, 10:36 AM What would be the point of upgrading, say 2001 LB7 software to 2004 LB7 software?? IM curious..
Well, here's a quick list from GM's CalID site on the upgrades they have made over time for a 2001 truck, apart from these issues they may also need to add support in the ECM for new options added to that year etc.
The part numbers are what GM refer to as the operating system number.
15166853 New calibration to address OBD2 compliance issue
15188873 New software to correct false setting of DTCS P0116 and P0181.
15097100 New software to improve generic scan tool operation
15063376 New calibration to address driveability and emissions compliance issues
09393838 Operating System software
Cheers,
Ross
Trippin 11-28-2005, 01:16 PM Guy's,
In summary, EFILive is software and hardware that will allow you to record engine data just like a Tech 2.
It will also allow you to upload and download tunes into your ECM.
It will allow you to modify just about every engine parameter you desire.
This is the neatest toy for Duramax's you could get. I'm very excited about it.
I do have them in stock with the current "release" software (which doesn't include Duramax) but will as Ross had mentioned earlier very soon. I can ship your kits now the way the are and walk you through the update as soon as it is available. Or wait and ship the kit including the Duramax software when it is released.
I personally have been using the software on gas engines for a year and tuning my Duramax for about a month now as a Beta tester.
I will also be more than happy to help you write your first tune or do one for you to get you started.
Tech support for my customers is available almost 24 hours a day 7 days a week. After all isn't that what cell phones are for? :D
fredw 11-28-2005, 03:46 PM so does this software allow you to download anyones tune on the pcm, copy it, and change areas of it
any idea what prefix the files downloaded are: example .cal .xvh
would i be able to send you files and you be able to install them with EFI
Guy's,
In summary, EFILive is software and hardware that will allow you to record engine data just like a Tech 2.
It will also allow you to upload and download tunes into your ECM.
It will allow you to modify just about every engine parameter you desire.
This is the neatest toy for Duramax's you could get. I'm very excited about it.
I do have them in stock with the current "release" software (which doesn't include Duramax) but will as Ross had mentioned earlier very soon. I can ship your kits now the way the are and walk you through the update as soon as it is available. Or wait and ship the kit including the Duramax software when it is released.
I personally have been using the software on gas engines for a year and tuning my Duramax for about a month now as a Beta tester.
I will also be more than happy to help you write your first tune or do one for you to get you started.
Tech support for my customers is available almost 24 hours a day 7 days a week. After all isn't that what cell phones are for? :D
Trippin 11-28-2005, 05:51 PM so does this software allow you to download anyones tune on the pcm, copy it, and change areas of it
any idea what prefix the files downloaded are: example .cal .xvh
would i be able to send you files and you be able to install them with EFI
Fred,
Yes you can download any tune out of a PCM that is not locked.
EFI stores tunes as *.tun.
I have uploaded *.bin as well.
C.A.P 11-28-2005, 06:19 PM what stops people from just down loading any tune like thier buddies "extream" and copying it to thier truck or multiple trucks !:eek:
DURAtotheMAX 11-28-2005, 06:24 PM hmmm me wonders what would happen if I literally loaded a TTS extreme tune into my LLY???:muahaha:
Trippin 11-28-2005, 06:43 PM what stops people from just down loading any tune like thier buddies "extream" and copying it to thier truck or multiple trucks !:eek:
Nothing, other than the fact that TTS has lock protected their tunes for may years now. :eek:
Remember, hand held tuners like a Predator etc. work on the principle of downloading your existing tune, whatever that may be, modifying a select few tables by a fixed amount and reloading the tune back into your ECM.
You could certainly copy the settings from one table in an LB7 into the corresponding table in an LLY and give it a shot.
But you could not just download from an LB7 and then upload to an LLY. Even between trucks of the same year, there are differences in operating systems.
In an ideal situation you download the existing tune, modify and then reload into the same truck.
But you certainly can copy just table values from one tune to another.
Purely for "experimentation", I have even turned off my EGR valve. :D
C.A.P 11-28-2005, 06:49 PM what about the tunes that are already released ,and not protected , lots of them out there and you know they will be copied !:eek: not just tts but every ones , this will posibly make the tunner market very soft and blackmarketish
DURAtotheMAX 11-28-2005, 07:42 PM I cant wait!! I love the sound of this EFI live..
--ben
Trippin 11-28-2005, 08:04 PM what about the tunes that are already released ,and not protected , lots of them out there and you know they will be copied !:eek: not just tts but every ones , this will posibly make the tunner market very soft and blackmarketish
The same thing happened with gas motors years ago. At first everyone is copying tunes......then the users begin to develop and refine their own tunes specifc to their vehicles. :D
And EFILive with a commercial license gives you the ability to password protect your work. :ro)
The handheld market will still continue to thrive as there are many people that just want to upload a tune and that's all.
However for those of us that like to "tinker" and have an extra $699.00 to spend......... We can data log and clear codes like a Tech 2, and write or massage a tune to our specific specs. :ro)
Trust me, there are more tables to modify than you know what to do with. :eek:
Guys, I wouldn't be presenting this stuff to you if I didn't think it was the next best thing to sliced bread. :D
GMC-2002-Dmax 11-28-2005, 08:14 PM I for one will be ordering this ASAP, I have been waiting for the release so that I can start to play immediately, I am just trying to decide if I want the commercial version or not.
I think as far as tunes are concerned, I already have a TTS Xtreme, and I would like to tinker with my stock tune and see where I can bring it to. I am however more interested in not having to spend $2000-$3000 on a TECH II.
That alone is going to be worth it to me, not having to buy a GM TECH II. Plus the fact that now ABS calibrations will be able to be changed as well as tire diameter will be nice as well.
Bottom line is anyone that was thinking about a Tech II or purchasing a downloader to stack with will see a real bargain at $699. You and your buddy could split it and if you get two licenses each be able to load up tunes and reset codes and a whole host of other things not possible before this came out.
I for one will be spending a lot of time seeing what I can do with the software........:ro)
Thanks for the explanations.
.
.
Wolford 11-28-2005, 08:36 PM Ross I have another Q for ya. My dad would buy this tuning software for our duramax but he also wants to know if in the future your company will release tuning for the ls2 and all we would have to do is buy an upgrade or something?? He is dying to start performance tuning for his car and I am for my truck.
Thanks,
Wolford
Wolford 11-28-2005, 08:38 PM Trippin,
Are you saying that I could download my buddy's ecm with the Pred. 120 loaded onto my laptop and then copy the tables over to a tune for my LB7 and upload it into my truck?? basically getting a free pred. tune if you dont count the cost of EFI live
C.A.P 11-28-2005, 09:09 PM Trippin,
Are you saying that I could download my buddy's ecm with the Pred. 120 loaded onto my laptop and then copy the tables over to a tune for my LB7 and upload it into my truck?? basically getting a free pred. tune if you dont count the cost of EFI live
seems that way !:confuzeld I feel for the tunner market, :help2: as it is very appealing deal . I WOULD LIKE TO JUST TUNE MY TRUCK AND EXCHANGE TUNES FOR IT , MIGHT BE SOMETHING I WILL LOOK INTO !
Wolford 11-28-2005, 09:16 PM That is cool. I will prolly buy one if this is true. For my own personal use.
GMC-2002-Dmax 11-28-2005, 09:22 PM Trippin,
Are you saying that I could download my buddy's ecm with the Pred. 120 loaded onto my laptop and then copy the tables over to a tune for my LB7 and upload it into my truck?? basically getting a free pred. tune if you dont count the cost of EFI live
:eek: ................
Dave Lewis 11-28-2005, 09:27 PM I think the vast majority of the users will be people who want to develop their tunes and use the diagnostic functions. Being able to see what is going on without purchasing a Tech II is the main reason I will be buying. Along with the fun of making more HP and knowing how and why it's making more. It's kind of like overclocking your computer just on a bigger scale. :)
Flashscan 11-28-2005, 09:56 PM As Guy mentioned, back when LS1Edit first came out everyone was 'swapping' tunes from the handhelds because no-one really knew what to mess with, it soon become obvious that there was much more to be gained than what the handhelds offer, soon after people were exchanging tuned files that were not based on handhelds but developed by enthusiasts.
I can see you are all excited by what this may open up for you in the way of tuning, it will just take someone to say, hey i just changed 'table x' by this amount and it fixed a surging issue I had, or I increased 'table x' by 50% and smoked out 4 lanes!!, then everyone with EFILive will be able to do the same thing.
As for a TechII, I have a friend at a GM dealership who uses EFILive for diagnostics over TechII ):h
Wolford -
LS2 is a work in progress, we are currently delayed by our new hardware development with CAN ability, once LLY is done then LS2 will be back on the develpment plate. We have not set our pricing for LS2 yet as it would require the new hardware (which will also do Duramax & LS1).
To answer your other question, if you can read the ECM in your buddies truck (meaning it has not been locked by a tuner) then you can duplicate that tune on your own, or as many as you wish for $99 per vehicle.
Cheers,
Ross
Trippin 11-28-2005, 10:13 PM Trippin,
Are you saying that I could download my buddy's ecm with the Pred. 120 loaded onto my laptop and then copy the tables over to a tune for my LB7 and upload it into my truck?? basically getting a free pred. tune if you dont count the cost of EFI live
The short answer is yes.
The long answer is......yes but in reality you are stealing someone elses work. :(
Basically the same as downloading copyright protected music files from the internet without paying for it.
Although, technically if you modify the tune to your particular wants and desires then it becomes your work..........So if a tree falls in the forest and there is noneone around to hear it, does it still smoke? It's a personal decision for the end user and I don't presume to offer any advice either way.
You may download as many tunes from as many Duramax trucks/LS-1 vehicles as you can find. Even does the 8.1L. It only costs you a license when you upload to an unlicensed vehicle for the first time. After that you can upload to that licensed vehicle as many times as your heart desires.
GMC-2002-Dmax 11-28-2005, 10:41 PM I just ordered it from Trippins Web Site.........
Now I have to wait on UPS............:rolleyes:
Better be here by Friday...........:eek:
.
.
Let the fun begin.......:ro) :ro) :ro)
.
.
The snapshots of the graphs are awesome. I like that 1093 setting spike in graph 2......I want one!!! Maybe some pilot injection at higher RPM's will cure it.
Flashscan 11-29-2005, 12:32 AM seems that way !:confuzeld I feel for the tunner market, :help2: as it is very appealing deal .
Right now the only choices for you all is flashing in a programmer tune and hoping it suits or paying one of the various companies to modify your ECM and hoping it suits. We are not trying to sell EFILive as a method to start selling copies of handheld tunes to your buddy for $200. It's about letting you do whatever you wish with your 'existing' tune without waiting 6 months or shipping to 'x' location testing various combinations. There is still people who will be happy to do that but reading this forum there is also plenty of people ready for a change.
What is the difference (morally and legally) between looking at what GM have done to address driving issues with TechII updates to learn about how the Diesel ECM works and looking at what someone else has done to increase performance?
FYI, we offer 2 and 3bar tuning programs for the LS1 that were developed by us by modifiying GM's existing code beyond it's original specification, we know they are being copied by another tuning vendor (not in the US) but there is not much we can do about it, we didn't design the PCM or write all the code that runs the thing.
It's like me changing the desktop theme on Windows with my own one I created and then telling Microsoft I now own the copyright to Windows.
Don't feel too sorry for the pre-canned tuner market there will still be plenty of people who will purchase those products as opposed to what we offer.
Cheers,
Ross
GMC-2002-Dmax 11-29-2005, 12:47 AM When I had my old tuners I wished I could have gotten rid of the fishbite and surging, part throttle timing rattle, etc......some of the tunes were pretty crude by my standards, and needed some refinement for sure.
Those types of things annoyed me.....:rolleyes: ....just being able to do it yourself and learn from your own mistakes makes it fun and exciting.
I can't wait to get the program and start tuning myself, this is my Christmas present to myself..........well one of them anyway......):h ):h ):h
.
.
chp777 11-29-2005, 12:51 AM i'm really looking forward to this i love taking things apart and fine out how to make them better it's like a new hytech puzzle.
i hope i get more use out this then my dfi setups.
dfi just got so limited after awhile.
it will be so nice to be able to fix all the problems that alot of the programs have with out spending more and more money hoping the next programer fixes it.
Flashscan 11-29-2005, 01:24 AM GMC-2002-Dmax, chp777, you two are ready for this :D :D , but, you just need to start doing all the house work now so it's easier to explain to your wife 'actually honey, the reason I went out at 1am last night was to log some data to satisify a brainwave I had, I really wasn't meeting up with Elle Mcpherson'. ;)
Cheers,
Ross
Trippin 11-29-2005, 01:35 AM GMC-2002-Dmax, chp777, you two are ready for this :D :D , but, you just need to start doing all the house work now so it's easier to explain to your wife 'actually honey, the reason I went out at 1am last night was to log some data to satisify a brainwave I had, I really wasn't meeting up with Elle Mcpherson'. ;)
Cheers,
Ross
I thought I was the only one that went out late at night to try a new tune and log data. :D
You mean I'm not alone.......there are others just like me? :eek:
Perhaps I'm somewhat normal after all. :rolleyes:
C.A.P 11-29-2005, 01:35 AM When I had my old tuners I wished I could have gotten rid of the fishbite and surging, part throttle timing rattle, etc......some of the tunes were pretty crude by my standards, and needed some refinement for sure.
Those types of things annoyed me.....:rolleyes: ....just being able to do it yourself and learn from your own mistakes makes it fun and exciting.
I can't wait to get the program and start tuning myself, this is my Christmas present to myself..........well one of them anyway......):h ):h ):h
.
.
really ,:mad: I had alot of tunners that were just a tad off for my liking, and to be able to tweek them to your tasts and change it in less than 10 min to see results , THIS IS GOING TO BE BIG!!!!:ro)
marksrt43 11-29-2005, 02:19 AM Right now the only choices for you all is flashing in a programmer tune and hoping it suits or paying one of the various companies to modify your ECM and hoping it suits. We are not trying to sell EFILive as a method to start selling copies of handheld tunes to your buddy for $200. It's about letting you do whatever you wish with your 'existing' tune without waiting 6 months or shipping to 'x' location testing various combinations. There is still people who will be happy to do that but reading this forum there is also plenty of people ready for a change.
What is the difference (morally and legally) between looking at what GM have done to address driving issues with TechII updates to learn about how the Diesel ECM works and looking at what someone else has done to increase performance?
FYI, we offer 2 and 3bar tuning programs for the LS1 that were developed by us by modifiying GM's existing code beyond it's original specification, we know they are being copied by another tuning vendor (not in the US) but there is not much we can do about it, we didn't design the PCM or write all the code that runs the thing.
It's like me changing the desktop theme on Windows with my own one I created and then telling Microsoft I now own the copyright to Windows.
Don't feel too sorry for the pre-canned tuner market there will still be plenty of people who will purchase those products as opposed to what we offer.
Cheers,
Ross
Can we get Busted, litigated or even worse... (Jailed) for copying and re-distributing pre-canned tuner software without permission?:eek:
Trippin 11-29-2005, 02:53 AM Can we get Busted, litigated or even worse... (Jailed) for copying and re-distributing pre-canned tuner software without permission?:eek:
Absolutely! The last thing you want to do is re-distribute someone else's copyright protected material.
However, in almost all cases you can modify the material for your own personal use.
marksrt43 11-29-2005, 03:24 AM I would only use it for my personal use, actually for my trucks use....:)
Flashscan 11-29-2005, 03:32 AM Can we get Busted, litigated or even worse... (Jailed) for copying and re-distributing pre-canned tuner software without permission?:eek:
That is certainly discouraged BIG TIME!!, but as you will see, to make a nice 30 - 40hp tune takes about 5 mins in the software once you know what you are doing, so there is really no need to do such things if it means you spend the next 5 years in court.
Seriously, there is nothing stopping you 'looking' at what has been modified, but it is not the right thing to do to then sell that exact tune as if it was yours.
Cheers,
Ross
Wolford 11-29-2005, 04:03 PM OHHHH BOY I am ready for this!!!!!
PaulRahoi 11-29-2005, 11:16 PM Question: I own a 2004 LB7. If someone else creates a tune on their 2003 LB7 truck, do I need to have the "commercial" version to upload their 2003 tune on my 2004 truck? Or... will the "personal" version allow this?
Thanks,
Paul.
GMC-2002-Dmax 11-29-2005, 11:39 PM Question: I own a 2004 LB7. If someone else creates a tune on their 2003 LB7 truck, do I need to have the "commercial" version to upload their 2003 tune on my 2004 truck? Or... will the "personal" version allow this?
Thanks,
Paul.
It is my understanding that you can copy/paste the tables from year to year as long as they are LB7 versions.
I am guessing that a lot of the stuff is probably the same from 2001-2004 as long as the are LB7 tunes.
Ross can verify it or maybe Trippin,
;)
.
.
Trippin 11-30-2005, 01:01 AM Question: I own a 2004 LB7. If someone else creates a tune on their 2003 LB7 truck, do I need to have the "commercial" version to upload their 2003 tune on my 2004 truck? Or... will the "personal" version allow this?
Thanks,
Paul.
You can use the Personal version to upload a tune to your truck. The best way would be for you to download a copy of your stock tune change the desired tables and upload to your truck. This can certainly be done using the cut and past method. Or you could E-mail your stock tune to someone have it modified and then upload to your truck.
PaulRahoi 11-30-2005, 08:56 AM Thanks. Ok... another question. My current LB7 engine has 300HP, 520TQ. The new LBZ engine has 360HP, 650TQ. The difference between these figures is about equivalent to a moderate towing tune (i.e. 60HP, 130TQ), and everyone seems to be saying the new LBZ is very smooth in power delivery, and this is exactly what I'm looking for-- a reliable "tow tune" with smooth delivery. Now... I know you cannot copy/paste tables between an 04LB7 and a 06LBZ, but... how difficult would it be to MIMIC (as far as possible) the LBZ figures in an LB7 custom tow tune? In other words... copying BY HAND the parameters from LBZ to LB7. Would this get you CLOSE, VERY CLOSE, or am I naive about the complexity of tunes? Is EFILive available for LBZ-- if not, when would it be? Thanks, Paul.
Cajunn 11-30-2005, 10:03 AM With the program, will there be a "EASY" button (As in if you chnge this parameter it will do this) to press when your not sure what the change yo made will harm the truck? Serious though, will it come with base line parameter changes that will improve performance to have a place to start or will it just be the stock program that will be the only starting place?
drhutch 11-30-2005, 11:34 AM Perhaps I'm somewhat normal after all. :rolleyes:
Trippin, remember that normal is only a setting on a clothes dryer.
:D
Trippin 11-30-2005, 09:32 PM Thanks. Ok... another question. My current LB7 engine has 300HP, 520TQ. The new LBZ engine has 360HP, 650TQ. The difference between these figures is about equivalent to a moderate towing tune (i.e. 60HP, 130TQ), and everyone seems to be saying the new LBZ is very smooth in power delivery, and this is exactly what I'm looking for-- a reliable "tow tune" with smooth delivery. Now... I know you cannot copy/paste tables between an 04LB7 and a 06LBZ, but... how difficult would it be to MIMIC (as far as possible) the LBZ figures in an LB7 custom tow tune? In other words... copying BY HAND the parameters from LBZ to LB7. Would this get you CLOSE, VERY CLOSE, or am I naive about the complexity of tunes? Is EFILive available for LBZ-- if not, when would it be? Thanks, Paul.
EFILive currently has no plans to attack the LBZ. (Small market and the LS-2 stuff needs their attention next)
However, Steve at TTS Powersystems has already begun work on the LBZ and his tow tunes are fanatastic.
Bully Dog is also rumored to be releasing an LBZ tune, which means that Quad and PPE won't be far behind.
Trippin 11-30-2005, 09:35 PM With the program, will there be a "EASY" button (As in if you chnge this parameter it will do this) to press when your not sure what the change yo made will harm the truck? Serious though, will it come with base line parameter changes that will improve performance to have a place to start or will it just be the stock program that will be the only starting place?
I'll be more than happy to help you write your first tune or do one for you and then you can follow my lead. Each parameter has a description in the software window of what it does. I'm sure as more people put this fantastic tool to use the discussions here will contain a wealth of information. This is exactly what happened with the gas stuff years ago when tuning tools became available to the masses. :D
Diesel Dragon 11-30-2005, 09:40 PM Ok I got a question.
People keep mentioning the Tech2, can EFI Live software do other functions like the tech 2 can ?
For example can you go and Unlock a VIN locked NAV unit like a Tech 2 can ?
Can you go into the Tranny computer and make some changes to the Alli shift points or other functions ? ;)
Can you go into the Instrument Cluster computer and change your Odometer mileage ? :eek:
Or is this strictly an Engine computer tuner ?
Thx
DD
.
Trippin 11-30-2005, 09:50 PM Ok I got a question.
People keep mentioning the Tech2, can EFI Live software do other functions like the tech 2 can ?
For example can you go and Unlock a VIN locked NAV unit like a Tech 2 can ?
Can you go into the Tranny computer and make some changes to the Alli shift points or other functions ? ;)
Can you go into the Instrument Cluster computer and change your Odometer mileage ? :eek:
Or is this strictly an Engine computer tuner ?
Thx
DD
.
Strictly engine for now, but they are looking very hard at giving us the ability to tune the Allison. No promises on when...............
Max Power 11-30-2005, 09:50 PM That would be worth it's weight in gold! :D
Diesel Dragon 11-30-2005, 09:56 PM Someone had a software program for a laptop that allowed you to plug into the car/truck and change your odometer mileage.
Can't remember where I saw it though.
DD
.
Trippin 11-30-2005, 09:58 PM That would be worth it's weight in gold! :D
I don't want to get your hopes up......but......I have a lot of confidence in these guys.......:D
I thought I was the only one that went out late at night to try a new tune and log data. :D
You mean I'm not alone.......there are others just like me? :eek:
Perhaps I'm somewhat normal after all. :rolleyes:
Sure, you are out looking for fuses to steal ;)
Actually I can't wait to get the Meanie back tomorrow and data log him. I have a Cobra to catch at LACR:exactly:
GMC-2002-Dmax 11-30-2005, 10:02 PM Got the package today..........:cool2:
Now I just have to wait for the release so I can start playing.........:rolleyes:
.
.
Thanks Trippin !!!!!!!!!
Trippin 11-30-2005, 10:10 PM Got the package today..........:cool2:
Now I just have to wait for the release so I can start playing.........:rolleyes:
.
.
Thanks Trippin !!!!!!!!!
You'll be playing with yourself in no time..............uh I mean EFILive. :D
GMC-2002-Dmax 11-30-2005, 10:11 PM You'll be playing with yourself in no time..............uh I mean EFILive. :D
:eek: ..........................:eek: ..........................:eek:
.
.
:cool:
.
.
05LLY2500HD 12-05-2005, 09:04 PM question.............I buy say the commercial version I can tune my truck and tune as many buddies trucks as I want as long as I buy the license for it, and charge them for it??
I travel and meet lots of people that want to tune their truck, I could do this if say they want a small tune and as long as I knew what I was doing, BUT that tune would be stuck in their truck without any way to alter it or return it to stock without my EFILive programmer at hand, correct?
05LLY2500HD 12-05-2005, 10:18 PM also, would you be able to mess with the boost signal, make more boost at lower rpm's? Defeat 1093's for good? cleanup smoke? make more smoke?
I'm getting REALLY interested.
Flashscan 12-05-2005, 11:29 PM question.............I buy say the commercial version I can tune my truck and tune as many buddies trucks as I want as long as I buy the license for it, and charge them for it??
I travel and meet lots of people that want to tune their truck, I could do this if say they want a small tune and as long as I knew what I was doing, BUT that tune would be stuck in their truck without any way to alter it or return it to stock without my EFILive programmer at hand, correct?
Spot on in every aspect. Tune any other vehicle for $99, unless they get you back to reprogram it the tune cannot be returned to stock (the dealer could reprogram it assuming you didn't lock the ECM).
Try finding someone not willing to hand over $99 plus your fee to gain some power :)
also, would you be able to mess with the boost signal, make more boost at lower rpm's? Defeat 1093's for good? cleanup smoke? make more smoke?
You will have control over the VVT, target boost, vane position :D
DTC 1093 will no longer be a problem, you have control over desired fuel pressures too PLUS you can alter how much difference is allowed to exist between desired and actual pressure before a DTC is set.
Cheers,
Ross
Trippin 12-06-2005, 01:45 AM Also cures baldness and Erectile Dysfunction. ):h
C.A.P 12-06-2005, 02:08 AM Also cures baldness and Erectile Dysfunction. ):h
Being folicly impaired , I am laughing my ARSE off at that!!!
coyotekid 12-06-2005, 02:35 AM What if you have hair dysfunction and erectile baldness?
DangerousDuramax 12-06-2005, 03:13 AM Being folicly impaired , I am laughing my ARSE off at that!!!
WHAT??? FOLICLY IMPAIRED??? I'M NOT LOOSING MY HAIR!!! I'M LETTING MY FOREHEAD GROW!!!
DangerousDuramax 12-06-2005, 03:14 AM What if you have hair dysfunction and erectile baldness?
I dont think they have doctors for that. There may be some good drugs though...:rolleyes:
C.A.P 12-06-2005, 09:55 AM WHAT??? FOLICLY IMPAIRED??? I'M NOT LOOSING MY HAIR!!! I'M LETTING MY FOREHEAD GROW!!!
Im not loosing mine either , ;) Im letting it replant on my back as it falls out):h ):h
Wolford 12-14-2005, 01:06 AM If you have the LB7 tuning software will one be able to download the LLY software for free or will it cost anything??
Flashscan 12-14-2005, 01:21 AM If you have the LB7 tuning software will one be able to download the LLY software for free or will it cost anything??
Free update.
Cheers,
Ross
| |