Does GM have anything in writing or in the manual to state that this pickup governs out around 95mph? Got a speeding ticket that officer said I was doing a 107mph. Truck is stock. If you have any information that can help out with this, I would appreciate it.

107:cool2: :cool2: :cool2: :ro) :ro) :ro) :grd:

maybe your tires size made it read wrong for you.....stock tires????

stock tires 245's

hmm that may be why...mine has 215s stock which is what i think they are zeroed in on....

Something had to be wrong. Get someone from GM involved or find out some place that has it in writing about the ~95 mph speed limiter. If your truck is stock, theres no way it could go 107. Before I removed the limiter, mine would BARELY go 100 down a hill with a tail wind.

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245 come on stock 2500's.

called the local dealers they said it was goverend but had nothing in writing. It's jail time around here for anything over 99 (3 days).

call gm themselves, maybe they can help you out with something on paper.

It varies between 95 and 98 with stock tires and speed'o error.Mostly to do with liability and tire speed ratings.If some are able to go faster either their speed'o is way off or they have put taller tires on.


Cop is mistaken ,or his equipment is in need of calibration and you should be able to beat the ticket easily

hmm that may be why...mine has 215s stock which is what i think they are zeroed in on....

Stock dooleys come with smaller tires than a stock 3/4 ton. The speedos would be set for stock tire size on each.

On Edit: LT tires are not speed rated and do some real funky things like distortion, stretch, etc after a given speed. I cannot guess what "safety factor" GM would build in to determine an appropriate speed limiter value on the vehicle, so calling the tire manufacturer may not help either.

In Canada, trucks hit speed limiters at 160km/hr which is 99.42 miles/hour (if my abacus is still calibrated properly)

Not possible to do 107 stock, and since his radar was obviously off then the state cannot be certain what speed at all you were traveling. If its a small town then try to go talk directly with the JP or the city attorney and tell him it is impossible for your truck to get anywhere near that speed since there is a speed limiter in the computer that will not allow it. You have no idea where to 107mph reading on the radar came from, but it wasn't you.

Otherwise get an attorney.

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You can also challenge the callibration of the radar. It has been done up here a few times and worked. You can ask for the callibration intervals and the last time that radar was checked.

If jail time is at stake, I'd look for every avenue before they drag me there for a speeding ticket.

Good luck.

GET A GOOD ATTORNEY .have the cop's certification checked,have the radar's calibration checked .I belive you were going too fast ,but not as fast as they say .the prick should have never wrote you for 107 knowing you would get jail time ,he could have wrote you for 97 or 98 and left it at that . pospone the court date twice ,if the cop doesn't show up you walk .hope for a good judge .I feel your pain I got a ticket in New Jersey in 1985 on rt 80 at 1:38am for 147 mph in my 1973 corvett (383 stroker 438 hp at the rear wheels )cost $1200.00 lost license for a year and don't ask about insurance .but the worst was haveing to listen to my whife while she drove me every where.still have that car.:grd:

Ditto to IRA51! Get a good attorney quick! Either way you're going to get slapped good! They can typically nail you on perceived speed alone, but you can certainly get it under the 99 mark if the right person is fighting for you. You will not get the time of day from a judge trying to fight it on your own, as they will be pi$$ed about you going fast in the first place. I hate lawyers 99% of the time, but when you need them you need them... Forget about the ticket and lawyer cost. The insurance cost with that on your record will many times that.

Good Luck!

Otherwise get an attorney.

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I've gotten 2 speeding tickets in my lifetime, got outta both of them. 1st one cop didn't show up to court, and second one attorney took care of. I never even had to show up for court on that one:ro) . It only cost me $1200, well worth it when you realize how much your insurance rates will go up. Believe me, yours will go up if that 107mph ticket sticks.

Real simple use your truck as evidence. Hand the keys to the judge, and say if you can make it go 107 ( which he will NOT be able to do ) tell him you will be glad to go to jail.
The next thing you want to ask is when was the last time the radar was calibrated, the last time the speedo on the cruiser was calibrated. Make them prove it.
I could not get my 04.5 lly or my 05 to get near 100

I am 43-0 against the HPD over the years, I have 2 pending now. It costs but I win every time. I drive 130,000+ miles a year around Houston so tickets and accidents are going to happen I just accept that.

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GM governs the top speed to 97mph.

If there is a load type dyno nearby you could prove this. If you were going downhill, you likely exceeded the limit.

My truck when it was stock went about 97. It never went over 100. I think the cop is lying or your speedo is off.

GET A GOOD ATTORNEY .have the cop's certification checked,have the radar's calibration checked .I belive you were going too fast ,but not as fast as they say .the prick should have never wrote you for 107 knowing you would get jail time ,he could have wrote you for 97 or 98 and left it at that . pospone the court date twice ,if the cop doesn't show up you walk .hope for a good judge .I feel your pain I got a ticket in New Jersey in 1985 on rt 80 at 1:38am for 147 mph in my 1973 corvett (383 stroker 438 hp at the rear wheels )cost $1200.00 lost license for a year and don't ask about insurance .but the worst was haveing to listen to my whife while she drove me every where.still have that car.:grd:
How on earth did they catch you???

95 or 107 does it matter

95 or 107 does it matter

If you read the post you would know the difference is time in jail!!

congrats on 107mph! i have personally hit 101 commuting from work (on accident). my dash speedo and my edge j/a read the same speed and my truck is corrected for the 285's i run...i have verified the speedo with two of those neighborhood radar speed checkers. my '05 lly doesn't seem to know it's got a governer if it is supposed to have one.

I thought it was governed @ 105, but could be incorrect.

Bill

I went to court for a 108 in a 65....they don't have much time to listen for any excuse you have. You will need an attorney. They will not listen to you. They will say you shouldn't have been going anywhere near that speed and throw the book at ya. They will let you say how it is impossible for it to go 107 and write it off as :blahblah: :blahblah: !! They don't take a ticket like this lightly.

Jail, Good

Jail, Good

Good? Why stop there then? Lets dole out the death penalty for speeding.

Don't cry when you get pulled over for 31 in a 30 though. Afterall its still speeding.

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I am 43-0 against the HPD over the years, I have 2 pending now. It costs but I win every time. I drive 130,000+ miles a year around Houston so tickets and accidents are going to happen I just accept that.

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43-0 that is impressive:eek:

43-0 that is impressive:eek:

I'd rather be 0-0 and have the money and time spent in court back. :(

If you ever need an attorney in Houston for a traffic ticket call David Sprecher at 1-713-639-2600

The dude is the best period at traffic tickets, and I have had MANY traffic ticket attorneys! :ro)

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like Txchristopher said get traffic lawyer(make donation to ringknockers), city pd get certian amount of court days paid normally don't show up when not paid - hence postponing date, police use radar to confirm their estimate. officer must be qualified(requal) and equipment calibrated, is unit hard mounted/handheld(VA state troopers used to hand sweep radargun added to speed, pay ticket never recorded. nice game) radar should have logbook! VASCAR system uses vehicle speedo and can normaly give + in your side. these are things you want that lawyer to have understanding of. call lawyer TXC gave and get referral for your area. get your speedo calibrated for evidence, for ammo. good luck and slow down cause they will look for you after.

Go down to traffic court for an hour, and see which attorney is getting everything dismissed. You can tell quickly which ones have a raport with the court. The best ones usually come in and setup shop on the front tables as if they were part of the court. The judge and the prosecutor will usually speak to them like they are friends, all you need is the prosecutor though because the judge will 99.9% of the time accept the prosecutors suggested course of action.

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Take a look for the thread about radar detectors. In there you'll find a long winded novel about how, when, and why radar guns aren't accurate (ie weather, humidity, cruisers defroster fan speed, etc.) It was very interesting.

Actually I think its pretty common knowledge that the manufacture can not produce a vehicle that exceeds the limit of the tires that are orginal equipment

take for instance when the new Camaro came out in 1993 there was a speed package option, without the package the car would not go past 107 I think it was, the speed package would go 150+. Same car, different tires from the factory.

Tire ratings are continuous for an hour. For example if I recall right H rated tires are 130 mph, which means the tire can sustain 130mph for an hour before it is in jeopardy of failing. Good luck going 130mph for an hour. The Z rated tires are 150mph tires.

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Though it doesn't need repeating - you definitely need an attorney who specializes in traffic citations. The entire legal system is geared for attorneys to talk to other attorneys (the Judge, the prosecutor), not for the casual (non legal oriented) individual to speak on his own behalf.

A bit off topic...

Someone mentioned picking up speed, "running downhill with a tailwind..."

Towing across the continental divide, there are some pretty steep grades which get the truck and trailer in a headlong rush at some precipitous speeds! Tractor trailers get going close to ninety on some of those downhill runs, and I've been right there with them.

Has anyone ever received a speeding ticket for exceeding the speed limit on the DOWNHILL side of a grade, the steeper grades that have "runaway truck ramps" every few miles? Some of those grades are so steep there is no alternative to picking up speed, no matter what gear you choose.

Pretty curious about this.

Please understand that this is a "flat-lander" question; we just don't have any mountains in Florida, and I only drive across the continental divide (if we are lucky) about once every couple of years while on vacation.

hmm that may be why...mine has 215s stock which is what i think they are zeroed in on....
215/85's, which are close to the same size as our 245/75's

Well Around Here, The Officer Is Always Correct Unless You Have A Lawyer. I Listened One Day To Some Dummy Give Out The Speal By Radar Manufactures And The Radar Guns Not Being Accurate. Judge Hit Him With The Hardest Fine Of The Day.. Your A Dam Fool If You Do That.. Get A LaWYer Or Hope They Want To Pleabargin It Down...

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Good? Why stop there then? Lets dole out the death penalty for speeding.

Don't cry when you get pulled over for 31 in a 30 though. Afterall its still speeding.

31 in a 30... or even 40 in a 30, is speeding, but it is unlikely to get someone killed.

100+ on a public highway is reckless and endangering everyone on the road.
I'd like to see jail for these morons that insist on loading their half-tons up with a trailer that's 5000 overgross.

31 in a 30... or even 40 in a 30, is speeding, but it is unlikely to get someone killed.

100+ on a public highway is reckless and endangering everyone on the road.
I'd like to see jail for these morons that insist on loading their half-tons up with a trailer that's 5000 overgross.

Oh I dunno about that exactly, seems the most accidents by far and away are low speed accidents. Thats just a statistical fact. More people have been killed or injured in their own neighborhood (accidents are most likely to occur within 5 miles of home) doing less than 40 than anywhere else. How about 30 in a 20 school zone?

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"Most accidents", certainly.
That is where the majority of driving is done.
That is when the driver is most likely to be distracted.
That is when there is a lot MORE to look out for than on the freeway.

But back to 100+.... so you're cruising down an empty rural road at 100+.
Somebody enters the road. They see you, but misjudge how fast you are approaching.
There's a semi approaching from the opposite direction, and a 20ft deep ravine on the right.

Sure... it's his fault, but you, and perhaps others will still be just as dead.

Thanks for all your help. To make a long story short I was following another truck that blew by me on the interstate cop pulled him over radaring him flaged me over said it apered I was staying with him. Gave us both tickets. Our court date was the same day. He went before me pleaded guilty 3 days jail. I plead not guilty. No way I was going that fast. Payed the dumm ass lawyer $400 and he wants me to do all the research? With a good lawyer this woudn't be a case.

"Most accidents", certainly.
That is where the majority of driving is done.
That is when the driver is most likely to be distracted.
That is when there is a lot MORE to look out for than on the freeway.

But back to 100+.... so you're cruising down an empty rural road at 100+.
Somebody enters the road. They see you, but misjudge how fast you are approaching.
There's a semi approaching from the opposite direction, and a 20ft deep ravine on the right.

Sure... it's his fault, but you, and perhaps others will still be just as dead.

You are right, I agree it is dangerous, but at the same time i have to look back at all the years that I went well over 100mph that I never ever got in a wreck but driving normal I have been in many MANY wrecks. A magazine once published that a race car driver focuses 90% of his brain on the task at hand, which is driving, while the average driver focuses about 10%.

So maybe I didn't get in a wreck when hauling ass because I was paying attention to the details around me, looking way ahead and calculating my moves, where a half asleep driver eating a burger and talking on the cell just pulls out without looking. To me thats just as irresponsible, by not paying attention to what they are supposed to be doing they are placing everyone on the road at risk, so they need jail time too I guess.

But you are right it is dangerous to go fast too. :ro)

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Quick question guys. What can I use to remove the govenor on my truck? My Edge Juice w/Attitude doesnt do it. BTW- I have no problem at all running up to 100 MPH like a lightning bolt. Not sure why others are having problems.

Checked mine today on the way to Toronto. Pulled nicely and constantly, until about 155km/hr (about 96mph) then nothing more. It felt like it would have kept climbing too.

Its not like the limiter on a gasser...they feel like they drop a crank, not a few cylinders!!

Any programmer (such as Hypertech, Superchips, Predator, PPE, just to name a few) will remove the speed limiter (it doesnt actually remove it completely, you're still limited by RPMs, the engine will safely turn fast enough to get you to about 125 mph) and also correct for non-stock tire sizes.

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called the local dealers they said it was goverend but had nothing in writing. It's jail time around here for anything over 99 (3 days).

You mean there is a jail in this country that has room for speeders. We got people who have been arrested for domestic battery walking the streets because the jail doesn't have room for them to sit until their court date.

Thanks for all your help. To make a long story short I was following another truck that blew by me on the interstate cop pulled him over radaring him flaged me over said it apered I was staying with him. Gave us both tickets. Our court date was the same day. He went before me pleaded guilty 3 days jail. I plead not guilty. No way I was going that fast. Payed the dumm ass lawyer $400 and he wants me to do all the research? With a good lawyer this woudn't be a case.

skidoo..
I agree, hope it all works for the best.

I have to put in my 2 cents. Power and speed in a hot truck is a wonderful thing, however, there is a time and a place for everything. 100+ on public road is not the place for it.

Bill

Around Houston 80-85 is called "keeping up with traffic", 100 isn't far from 85mph

I bet I hit 100+ a few dozen times a week AT LEAST. I would like to remove the limiter on this Accord Hybrid, car pulls hard to the 131mph limiter but obviously has the power to go much faster. I feel confident it could pull 140, maybe even 145mph

Bad thing, just like our trucks, it does not have the braking power for high speeds. I even went with carbon metallic pads to help it, but it just doesn't have enough anchor. At least it handles fairly well, the truck is only good for mostly open multi-lane freeway blasts, but will reach above 120mph. I have raced for a helluva long time and feel completely comfortable at high speed, sometimes I even run cruise control at 100 or 110 (I had the cruise at 100 on the way back from Austin yesterday for many miles) and in the LT1 and LS1 Camaro's and Firebirds GM had it where the cruise would not engage at over 125mph, but that STILL doesn't make it exactly "safe".

Imagine catching a hunk of metal and blowing out a rear tire in one of our big ass trucks at 120mph ........

I am not "scared" of such a scenario, but make no mistake....I WOULD NOT WANT TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT.

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old Habits Die Hard !

uhhh...

"I bet I hit 100+ a few dozen times a week AT LEAST."

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To each his own too......I used to drive consistently faster, but am slowing wth age and greater patience. Drive around Houston you would understand that 100mph isn't fast. Maybe others who live around here can relate that as well. Seems just about every DP member has tested the limiter on their truck too.......hmmmmm.

3535 I bet people bang their heads like that after getting stuck behind you cause you have the cruise set at 70mph in a 70 zone and you won't move out of the left lane.....

Lets go for guns next, they kill people all the time, so lets remove them, and lets make people go to the doctor daily for their meds since they can't be trusted not to get hooked otherwise or OD'ing, lets stop planes from flying too cause they can crash and kill people on the ground that weren't even flying.....

Guess I am not into controlling everything that everyone else does....


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Obviously the thought of being 'controlled' gets your shorts in a twist. Take it up with your legislature, local TX Ranger, or judge after you roll out in the bar pit and kill a few people.

Guns or trucks don't kill people it's the driver of the trigger or accelerator.

It was your quote and you're obviously proud of it "I bet I hit 100+ a few dozen times a week AT LEAST." and the 130+ comments and "many wrecks" etc. etc. Good on ya!

I didn't make it up... unlike out of the hat "3535 I bet people bang their heads like that after getting stuck behind you cause you have the cruise set at 70mph in a 70 zone and you won't move out of the left lane....." Sticks and stones...

It's not about control it's about responsibility. Hit the limiter? Big deal... "A few dozen times a week"? That's a bit different.. Go to the track and save us all a few $$ on our insurance bill (and maybe the lives of the family in the Civic traveling at 70 in the fast lane)

Good luck with all that.

Obviously the thought of being 'controlled' gets your shorts in a twist. Take it up with your legislature, local TX Ranger, or judge after you roll out in the bar pit and kill a few people.

Guns or trucks don't kill people it's the driver of the trigger or accelerator.

It was your quote and you're obviously proud of it "I bet I hit 100+ a few dozen times a week AT LEAST." and the 130+ comments and "many wrecks" etc. etc. Good on ya!

I didn't make it up... unlike out of the hat "3535 I bet people bang their heads like that after getting stuck behind you cause you have the cruise set at 70mph in a 70 zone and you won't move out of the left lane....." Sticks and stones...

It's not about control it's about responsibility. Hit the limiter? Big deal... "A few dozen times a week"? That's a bit different.. Go to the track and save us all a few $$ on our insurance bill (and maybe the lives of the family in the Civic traveling at 70 in the fast lane)

Good luck with all that.

Thank You 3535...That was the point I was trying to make. Public streets (and freeways) are too unpredictable for that type of speed or driving. You are bucking the odds. If you have ever been in a high speed crash, you might have a different opinion. Good luck buddy.
Rant over...

Bill

I understand your points, and it wasn't that I was "proud", if I said I was proud fine, but I didn't so lets not add to what I said. It was just a statement of fact about hitting 100mph often. Thats not fast, traffic runs 80-85 on our freeways anyway.

"Hit the limiter? Big deal..." ---- so 97 is ok and no big deal, 3 more mph is a crime though if its not you doing it. See its perspective, its ok to you for YOU to run your 6800lb truck to 97mph, but my 3300lb Accord is foolish at 100mph, walking speed faster than 97.

"A few dozen times a week"? That's a bit different --- again, if you lived around here you wouldn't think so, the freeways are flying around Houston. We have big wide open long freeways and highways.

"Public streets (and freeways) are too unpredictable for that type of speed or driving. You are bucking the odds." ---- Well statistics prove you are just as likely to be involved in a wreck going 10mph SLOWER than traffic as you are 10mph FASTER. Its not the speed, its the speed DIFFERENCE that contributes mostly to the wreck. If you are going to speed or talk about speeding then be informed. So that family in the civic that is determined to do 70mph when traffic is running 80-85 is also at fault for using bad judgement. They put themselves at risk by insisting on doing an unsafe activity. So who's fault is it when the big rig creams them?

Its all perspective.

In 20 years of racing I have never been in a wreck, every wreck was a slow speed just driving along when some hamburger eating idiot or messing with a cell phone or doing whatever people seem to do in cars other than drive ---- well they come out of nowhere or run a red light or run up and hit me in the rear. I have one at fault accident in the last 4 years and that was partly because the rental cars enterprise buys mostly lack ABS, so I wasn't ready for the rain, my bad.

I have made well over 300 passes down the track in my time. I find it interesting that guys like you generally are the same guys that campaign to get tracks closed or don't want them anywhere near you. "They are tooo noisy!!!!". Left hand holds up a sign that says "go to the track" right hand has a sign says "no tracks near my neighborhood!". Hmmmmm......

Racing is huge in this country, and cars are more powerful than ever. Its just the way it is. Performance sells. And people love it.

Anyway, we don't have to agree, and whats even better is I don't need your advice or approval. Thats what makes a free country great! The judges and cops I have dealt with over the years seem to not think its too much a big deal either......sometimes they are the car racing you :)

Rant over as well.

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Good luck and Godspeed (to you and those within 500 yards)

Thanks, I tend to rely on skill rather than luck, its more reliable. :D

500 yards? Around Houston thats often probably several hundred drivers (over a half mile stretch???). I hope they are maintaining their vehicles, especially their brakes and tires, and I hope they too are using skill and not luck!

Around here there is a maximum and a minimum speed on the freeways, you can be ticketed for going too SLOW! :rolleyes:

Who was the guy in Pearland that had his wife dieing and was held back by his speed limiter as he tried to hurry and get her to the Emergency Room??????

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Good luck and Godspeed (to you and those within 500 yards)

Good luck and Godspeed (to you and those within 500 yards)

Same goes to all the poor over regulated, overly concerned about what the other guy is doing Californians. We all see how successful that state has been....

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Quote "and lets make people go to the doctor daily for their meds since they can't be trusted not to get hooked otherwise or OD'ing, "

People DIE in hospitals, I'm not going there. :)

Same goes to all the poor over regulated, overly concerned about what the other guy is doing Californians. We all see how successful that state has been....

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:boxing: Oh yeah?? :boxing:

I bet my Mom makes better pumpkin pie than yours! ):h

Mmmmmmm pie! :)

I lived in California for a bit, in Bakersfield and up at Bass Lake as well where we owned a cabin. Beautiful state, although the location of Bakersfield makes no sense due to the lack of water availability.

Went to San Francisco early this year as well, nice around there. Didn't really like the roads, they need better roads. Didn't get any pumpkin pie though! Whats up with that????? I like pumpkin pie!

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I think most judges are reasonable. First, as others have suggested, get an attorney, you won't be credible without one. Next, be willing to pay a fine for speeding, either the court or the attorney. One of them will get your money. I think if you are willing to accept a fine in lieu of jail time, the judge will be happy to accept your donation for wrongdoing.

Then again, a good attorney may be able to get you off completely, in which case the attorney will be happy to accept your donation for wrongdoing.

Thanks,
Dennis

David Sprecher is THE MAN!!! A buddy of mine has used him and is 14-14.


I'd rather be 0-0 and have the money and time spent in court back. :(

If you ever need an attorney in Houston for a traffic ticket call David Sprecher at 1-713-639-2600

The dude is the best period at traffic tickets, and I have had MANY traffic ticket attorneys! :ro)

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