What should the PPE + VA + BS stack dyno???

have a trans?

:exactly:

with a trans = a lot
without a trans = nothing, and/or BOOM):h

--Ben

PPE with BS is 400-425 IIRC and VA on top of that.

LOTS of boost...

yes my buddy has a SC IV and was running about 35psi of boost on the dyno

He pulled 450rwhp. he wants to get to 500rwhp is it possible?

500 RWHP with an LLY without drugs hasn't been done on just tuning IIRC..IdahoRob doesn't count, cuz he's got 2 of them there turbochargers.:ro)

Casper dyno'd 474 with PPE/VA/PPE boost Controller :ro)

Casper dyno'd 474 with PPE/VA/PPE boost Controller :ro)

Any ideas as to why my buddy's truck would be 25hp lower with the same setup??

Any ideas as to why my buddy's truck would be 25hp lower with the same setup??

OPPS it is PPE Hot +2 and 32 PSI

Any ideas as to why my buddy's truck would be 25hp lower with the same setup??
Does he have the Boost Stick, or the PPE adjustable boost controller? That might make a difference.

Does he have the Boost Stick, or the PPE adjustable boost controller? That might make a difference.

PPE adjustable boost controller

Kat, I know what you guys are runnin':D I was wondering what Turbo LLC's bud was running.

yup that is what he is running PPE +2 and the PPE BS controller

I'm in rare form today..Like a deer in headlights:confused: ):h

yup that is what he is running PPE +2 and the PPE BS controller

It is PPE Boost controller not PPE BS controller. The BS, or Boost Stick, is totally different. Some might get confused.

Your buddy will probably pick up a little HP if he backs off on the boost a little. The is such a thing as too much.

would the Fingers BS make more HP then the PPE adjustable BS in this situation.. (as he could not control it :))

I think the PPE Boost controller is dyno proven to make more HP

I think the PPE Boost controller is dyno proven to make more HP

Didn't see that thread. I'll have to look. Do you have a link?

The PPE has the advantage of working a little better with boost modifying programs and boxes. The problem is finding the sweet spot. Lots of runs. Users have a tendancy to just crank the dial for big boost and end up actually killing the power. You can have too much boost.

The BS on the other hand has a fixed map by design to give you more boost while keepig drive pressure in check and still work well with almost all the other tuners and boxes. A compromise.

Oh, and the BS is 1/3 the price.

Still would like to see that dyno plot....

Some day I'll get back on the dyno and do some BS plots with my truck and the present release version...

As for adjustability, what is not being said is that your useful range of adjustability is only a few degrees of movement. In other words, just touch the dial and it will make a profound difference making fine tuning difficult at best.

I was running 35-36psi sustained w/ the PPE/VA/BS stack. I also had fluttering of the turbo and I never tracked it down. The stack made huge power, but it could be improved (lower boost psi). I ran a 13.7 at 101 in the 1/4. My turbo couldn't clean up the stack. It fuels a lot. It is real crazy in 5th at WOT. It smokes a grey haze up to 1800RPM, then turns to a darker soot cloud from there on up. Almost like turning on a second CP3 or somthing. It is wild. I'd like to try the PPE+2/VA/BS next.

Bobo any idea why you "only" ran a 13.7? Kat ran a 13.1 in Big Blue IIRC, and Blue is heavy (3500 SRW)... I would think the PPE Hot and VA would be worth more in the quarter mile. I can run a 14.2 or so (according to Edge timer) with a stock tranny, PPE 90hp tune, Edge on 5...(no boost stick or anything).

---Ben

Bobo any idea why you "only" ran a 13.7? Kat ran a 13.1 in Big Blue IIRC, and Blue is heavy (3500 SRW)... I would think the PPE Hot and VA would be worth more in the quarter mile. I can run a 14.2 or so (according to Edge timer) with a stock tranny, PPE 90hp tune, Edge on 5...(no boost stick or anything).

---Ben

It could have alot to do with track location.

Big Blue Bests
High Alt = 13.667 @ 96.48
Med Alt = 13.36 @ 98
Low Alt = 13.12 @ 103

Bobo any idea why you "only" ran a 13.7? Kat ran a 13.1 in Big Blue IIRC, and Blue is heavy (3500 SRW)... I would think the PPE Hot and VA would be worth more in the quarter mile. I can run a 14.2 or so (according to Edge timer) with a stock tranny, PPE 90hp tune, Edge on 5...(no boost stick or anything).



---Ben



LOL...go to the track and then get back to me. Blue is also running the Kennedy TCM, PPE+2 and traction bars. Blue also has over a hundred more passes at the track than me too! I ran 3 passes w/ the PPE Hot/VA/BS. Last time i was at the track, I ran the Predator/VA/BS for 2 passes and netted a 13.8. I have a lot of room for improvement! My truck weighs 7K and that is how I ran it. Just dropped the T-bars. Didn't take any air out of the 33" tires either. No spring clamps. The altitude is low and the temp was around 60 degrees. A 101mph run isn't too bad for a 7K truck! Just ask the yellow Vette I spanked! I'll go for a fast time next year, this was just testing the programmer out to compare different programmers. I just need some time to set it up to run fast. I don't want to waist my time pulling seats, clamping springs, swapping tires, etc... until I find out what works on my truck and what don't.

LOL...go to the track and then get back to me. Blue is also running the Kennedy TCM, PPE+2 and traction bars. Blue also has over a hundred more passes at the track than me too! I ran 3 passes w/ the PPE Hot/VA/BS. I have a lot of room for improvement! My truck weighs 7K and that is how I ran it. Just dropped the T-bars. Didn't take any air out of the 33" tires either. No spring clamps. The altitude is low and the temp was around 60 degrees. A 101mph run isn't too bad for a 7K truck! Just ask the yellow Vette I spanked!

Blue doesn't have traction bars.

But the truth is Blue ones are just meaner:p::lol:

Blue doesn't have traction bars.

But the truth is Blue ones are just meaner:p::lol:


ouch :eek: , didnt I here that BOBO blew ............-:t :joke:

Blue doesn't have traction bars.

OOPS...I was being an idiot thinking the Cognito's were traction bars. Sorry! Next time I make excuses for having a slow POS I'll get my facts straight;) !!

maybe GMC's are faster?):h

--Ben

maybe GMC's are faster?):h

--Ben

:funnypost!!

Didn't see that thread. I'll have to look. Do you have a link?

The PPE has the advantage of working a little better with boost modifying programs and boxes. The problem is finding the sweet spot. Lots of runs. Users have a tendancy to just crank the dial for big boost and end up actually killing the power. You can have too much boost.

The BS on the other hand has a fixed map by design to give you more boost while keepig drive pressure in check and still work well with almost all the other tuners and boxes. A compromise.

Oh, and the BS is 1/3 the price.

Still would like to see that dyno plot....
McRat put down 474 with the TSD...Highest, fuel only, single turbo LLY #'s I know of. If your BS in conjuction with whatever programming makes more, I'm sure lots of people would be interested...I'm just sayin'

Best single tune w/BS Beta was with Edge on 5 for 394 HP when I was testing on my truck. Got more out of the PPE w/BS on someone else's truck, but I don't have the plots to back up the claim. I don't have any stack runs on the Dyno to compare, but I know we are in the ballpark.

Between Dynos I have been using a Gtech to compare the performance of different setups against each other. They are far from perfect, but the runs I've made with the Predator 2.0 stacked with Juice on 5 compare with McRat's. Probably not beat it, but right up there.

I have a block of Dyno time scheduled in early Dec. I am curious now, so I will run what I can get my hands on for stacks and see.

I don't claim the BS is better than the PPE. It is good bang for the buck though.

Enjoy.

Fingers, keep up the good work. I wasn't trying to start a pissin' match, just thought I was passing on info I thought was correct. I took for granted that McRat dynoed the BS, since he seems to get his hands on everything else.:D

I dynoed 448HP with PPE HOT +2/ PPE boost controler with Around 30 psi dialed in....:ro)

I am not as familiar with the VA, but it caps the boost signal IIRC. As such, the BS does not add boost up high but does till the VA caps it. Thus more boost around town, but little if any gain on the rollers. In fact, I changed the BS to give back some of the drivability that was lost with a pure Dyno map. Again, a compromise.

I still need to make some additional runs with the BS and some of the stacks people, including myself, are running. Inquirering minds want to know. When I do, I'm sure JK will host them on his site.

McRat had a BS Beta unit to try. It didn't perform well enough for him and is one of the reasons I made changes for the production units. The adjustability of the PPE allowed him to squeek every last pony out of his stacks. He made a huge number of runs to get it there, but i think they were all down the track. I could be wrong.


NODMAX, no harm no foul.


Enjoy

My experience w/ the VA/PPE Hot/BS stack netted low boost at highway speed compared to all other programmers and stacks I had run w/ the boost stick including stock. I also net over 35psi sustained w/ that stack too, so it is on its way out of the turbos sweet spot. I ran just the PPE hot and BS and it netted 30psi, but I didn't run it at the track. It was fun to drive though! From what I understand, the PPE+2 is stacked w/ the VA middle setting. This should make the stack better. All my experiences have been better if you don't stack programms w/ them all on the highest settings. I am hoping the PPE+2 stack will help w/ the fluttering turbo and the low boost on the highway too. I am going to try to make it up to Kennedy's on the 3rd to watch all the action.

My experience w/ the VA/PPE Hot/BS stack netted low boost at highway speed compared to all other programmers and stacks I had run w/ the boost stick including stock. I also net over 35psi sustained w/ that stack too, so it is on its way out of the turbos sweet spot. I ran just the PPE hot and BS and it netted 30psi, but I didn't run it at the track. It was fun to drive though! From what I understand, the PPE+2 is stacked w/ the VA middle setting. This should make the stack better. All my experiences have been better if you don't stack programms w/ them all on the highest settings. I am hoping the PPE+2 stack will help w/ the fluttering turbo and the low boost on the highway too. I am going to try to make it up to Kennedy's on the 3rd to watch all the action.

Yep, basically what Fingers said. The only place boost is altered is above the cap point and from there, the turbo will not likely adjust (loosen) the exhaust hence the excesive drive psi.

I agree on the stacking of big tunes also....