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: Yet another Pre-OEM CAT filter install


bubz
02-17-2004, 12:12 AM
My original post got moved to the vendor forum... Here are the pics of my install.


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/D21_Copy_of_100_0351.JPG


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/B82_Copy_of_100_0350.JPG

OC_DMAX
02-17-2004, 08:24 AM
What type of filter head are you using for your set-up?

bubz
02-17-2004, 10:31 AM
It's a Fleetgaurd head and 1R-0750 Cat Filter

Roegs
02-17-2004, 10:59 AM
Does the Fleetguard have an option for heat? I'd really like to run a Cat filter, and have the option to have a heater. So far, non of the Cat options that I've seen have heaters available for them.

bubz
02-17-2004, 11:19 AM
I'm fairly certain you can get a fleetgaurd head with a heater element... I'll do some checking. My setup does not have a heater or primer provision.

DavesDmax
02-17-2004, 06:58 PM
bubz,


What brand of fittings and the part #'s on the supply line side?


Very clean install. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

bubz
02-17-2004, 07:59 PM
They are all Parker fittings, I don't have the part numbers for the fittings....but they are all 1/2".





..and Thanks!

BRUCE
02-18-2004, 06:37 PM
bubz: Did you just cut oem tubeing with tubeing cutter and slip hoses over same? Then use clamps on hose? Great looking job, I like ball valves too.

Roegs
02-18-2004, 07:39 PM
Bubz...any luck with info on a heated head from Fleetguard? I looked at their web site, but was unable to even find the head you used. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif Edited by: Roegs

bubz
02-18-2004, 08:49 PM
Bruce: i cut the factory steel tubing and used compression fitting on the steel line. Thanks for the compliments. the setup I used doesn't use hose clamps, rather I used Parker Push-Lock fittings and hoses.


Roegs: Not yet, my neighbor works for a local truck dealer and is looking into it for me...it might be a day or two before I know anything definitive.

mannytranny
02-18-2004, 09:21 PM
Why did'nt you just buy a Nicktane kit...It looks pretty close to the same thing...


?


Looks like a clean job, either way...

bubz
02-18-2004, 09:40 PM
No specific reason.... I wanted to use compression fittings instead of hose clamps, and I wanted the filter mounted down on the frame rail...rather than on the bed. I think Nick's kit is a good...I just wanted something different. In fact, I sent a local dealer to Nick a few weeks ago for a kit...which they installed...it's just too bad that Nick rubbed the shop foreman the wrong way. They wanted to stock the kits, but from what I was told, Nick kinda torqued off the shop foreman, now they don't want to do business with him.... THIS IS PURELY second hand info...just what I was told by the service manager and the shop foreman when I picked up my truck later that day....so take it for what it is worth. I personally have never had any direct dealings with Nick...he seems like a pretty alrgiht guy to me.

bubz
02-18-2004, 09:43 PM
I want to clarify something here..before it starts. I am not trying to slander Nick's good name in any way shape or form.

DavesDmax
02-18-2004, 10:11 PM
i cut the factory steel tubing and used compression fitting on the steel line. Thanks for the compliments. the setup I used doesn't use hose clamps, rather I used Parker Push-Lock fittings and hoses.





bubz, on your supply side fitting, is that a direct tubing to push-lock, or did you go tubing to male NPT then connect with a Female NPT to push-lock?

bubz
02-18-2004, 10:22 PM
It is compression fitting to male AN, then a female AN to 1/2" Push Lock.


On the head it is Boss o-ring to 1/2" pipe to ball valve to 1/2 male Push Lock.


Is that what you were looking for?

DavesDmax
02-18-2004, 10:37 PM
Yep!


Thanks. I looked through the Parker and Swagelok catalogs trying to make a direct conversion on the supply line side and no one makes that fitting.


If I may ask, why did you use AN for the jump?

bubz
02-18-2004, 10:39 PM
It was what the hydraulic store had when I went there.

DavesDmax
02-18-2004, 10:45 PM
thanks for the info.


I have a RACOR 660 kit coming from Lundyt and he doesn't use fittings on the supply line. I just can't bring myself to just clamp the hose on the tubing. Looks tacky to me. I know it's just fine but man I did that back in the 70's..


The bite type compression fitting will finish off the kit nicely.

Diesel Power
02-18-2004, 11:42 PM
No specific reason.... I wanted to use compression fittings instead of hose clamps, and I wanted the filter mounted down on the frame rail...rather than on the bed. I think Nick's kit is a good...I just wanted something different. In fact, I sent a local dealer to Nick a few weeks ago for a kit...which they installed...it's just too bad that Nick rubbed the shop foreman the wrong way. They wanted to stock the kits, but from what I was told, Nick kinda torqued off the shop foreman, now they don't want to do business with him.... THIS IS PURELY second hand info...just what I was told by the service manager and the shop foreman when I picked up my truck later that day....so take it for what it is worth. I personally have never had any direct dealings with Nick...he seems like a pretty alrgiht guy to me.
Funny you said that about a dealer. Not sure which one you are talking about. to date i've only talked to one local chevy dealer about my kits. I have a customer (fellow member on here) who told another guy who owns a few dmaxes about my kits. this person had his truck in for its 2nd or 3rd injector job and he called me and asked if i would sell him a kit. i said sure and he said the dealer would contact me as they would be installing it. Dealer called and said they were sending a guy to pickup a kit. he never showed so i called them when he was 2 hours late and offered to drop it off. I swung by there and talked to them for a good 2 hours about our trucks. they seemed perfectly happy when i left. they never asked about stocking kits as the customer had asked for it explicitly.



So you may have me confused with another filter vendor, but i've only had one dealing with a local dealer around here and i don't know how i would have "rubbed him the wrong way". they were somewhat disorganized that day but they said the shop foreman had been fired that AM and apologized for the inconvenience of me having to drop it off. I didn't mind as i got to talk about what i love - my duramax!


I just find this very interesting as i think i bent over backwards to get it to them...





Edited by: Diesel Power

bubz
02-18-2004, 11:57 PM
See... I knew there was more to the story. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif It was the dealer in Elk Grove, right? The shop foreman still works there...he's actually a pretty sharp guy. The service manager did get canned that week though! The assistant service manger is a former tech, and knows his stuff too. I had a weird drone type noise coming from my front diff...took three trips into them before I finanlly convinced them to tear apart the front diff and look at it....it was toast. I had told them about your kits during one of my previous visits..he even called me to ask for your website address.

56Nomad
02-19-2004, 12:26 AM
bubz,

Your Fleetguard filter head as well as the Racor has 1/2" ID
internal openings. The CAT filter base like we're using is
P/N FILTER BASE.......1N-3789 has a restricted internal
opening which I opened up to 3/8" All my fittings
were machined to 23/64" ID

I took my truck for a long run today after installing and
priming the system. No leaks..... runs great.

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/9EB_HW_CAT_small.jpg

bubz
02-19-2004, 12:30 AM
But is it really restricted? Think about how much fuel the new CAT engine flow...they don't seem to have a problem with the stock head.

56Nomad
02-19-2004, 12:51 AM
Probably restricted is not a good word in this case. The opening
is smaller than the RACOR or yours, but not a problem with
restricting flow for our engines in my humble opinion. I
wouldn't of switched out the RACOR for the CAT if I thought
it was a problem http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

56Nomad
02-19-2004, 05:31 PM
Does anyone know what the ID is on the Megafilter brass fittings?

texmax
02-19-2004, 06:57 PM
will anyone give me a part# and where i can buy the fleetguard head ? thanks david

56Nomad
02-21-2004, 09:01 PM
Hello John..... or anyone who has a MEGA filter assembly on the
shelf and can measure

What the ID is on the Megafilter inlet and outlet brass fittings?

MaxFarmer
02-22-2004, 11:27 PM
I have a mega filter waiting to be installed..probablly this week... The measurements for the ID of the inlet and outlet fittings are 3/8". Note that I measured the inside diameter of the hole. The brass barbs (push lock fittings) are actually for 1/2" hose and fittings like the others above.


The fittings have no visible part numbers on them or I would give them to ya guys...all they say is the thread type


Hope this helps.


Jason

56Nomad
02-23-2004, 01:53 AM
Thanks MaxFarmer.....

It would appear that the Racor and Fleetguard heads
have the largest ID's of 1/2" (least restrictive)

Mega Filter comes in at 3/8"

And the CAT is most the most restrictive, especially
the stock fittings w/ o-rings @ 9/32" that came with
mine. (I then machined them to 23/64")

Does it really make a big difference?? In the big
picture of how we use our trucks..... no.

You dragsters might disagree.....

bubz
02-23-2004, 10:25 AM
Personally I don't see where the fuel opening makes that big of a difference in our application. The engines/fuel systems that these filters (and filter heads) were designed to run on flow A LOT more fuel than ours do...and they work fine on those applications.

MaxFarmer
02-23-2004, 11:00 AM
Bubz


I totally agree. We run Cat power units for irrigation with the same units and they are guzzeling around 5 gallons per hour or so....


I think if there was much worry about flow restrictions, wouldnt a lift pump solve some of that?


Jason