Is anyone running the ATS Co-pilot? Haven't seen much about it, but I'm wondering how it works.

There are a coupke of guys on here that run ATS's kit. They can explain it in more detail. It changes pressures in the transmission based on the settings and boost. You can set it for towing, daily driving, performance, drag racing, and truck pulling. It is pretty adjustable from what I have read. I havent used one though.

Installed mine last Friday. Already had the complete trans mods installed. The co-pilot is great. Takes all the "fall on your face deadness" out during shifts. No more lag time in shifting at WOT. Clint and the guys really did their homework on this system.

Was it easy to install? They are $1000 aren't they?


The falling on it's face during shifting is what I'm trying to eliminate.

Not a bad install. The first one took me about 2 hours. You do have to be extremely careful when soldering the tow/haul lead on the back of the cluster. Dont use the wire they send. Use a single strand of cat 5 type telephone wire to make the connection to the cluster. Then connect that piece to the blue wire in the kit and you should have no problem. The kits are $995 though I believe. It is kind of strange here though. Some people seem to be offended just by making a comment about something you believe works good. Anyway, hope this helps.

co-pilot works great. Adjusting the firmness to your power is great. I love the way i can make this thing shift now. I can't wait to get the the tow/haul hooked up to play with the more performance shifting.

OH yeah, what harleyman said, be EXTREAMELY carefuel sodering the tow/haul lead on the cluster on an 03 or 04. my tow/haul light doesn't light up any more due to the cluster getting messed up and i'm looking for another way to hook up the tow/haul wire, any suggestions??????

The tranny is awesome as it is with the complete kit, not sure how just the co-pilot would work.

Kyle

some people think that transgo based upgrades are the only way to go, others know better

The tranny doesn't need pulled for the co-pilot to be installed does it?

Some people seem to be offended just by making a comment about something you believe works good. Anyway, hope this helps.


I dunno about that .... We all are here to learn from each others experience ... No body has ever questioned MTomac integrity ...


I guess perhaps you have been pre labeled do to the current events such as when Clint stopped in for damage control and who knows what his agenda was with the balence of his post ....Perhaps there just isn't enough ATS users here and around which gives the looks of Transgo or bust only for upgrades ....


Try not to get offended ,we house a pretty tough demanding crowd ....


Please post when and where you can .... I'm happy to see more ATS guys here ....


But I'm still not buying the burn through Forth from dead stop with your performance mods .... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gifMac

When you solder you should clip aheat sink inbetween your work and the cluster.

Tomac has not spent dime 1 here. Nada, zip, not even indirectly through Eric near as I can tell.





His comment is true. Transgo is not a necessity for a strong Allison. Not saying it isn't good, or one way is best. Truth be told, I have an ATS and a Suncoast here for my truck.





This bickering, jabbing and name calling is getting nauseating...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Throw Up.gif

Thanks.

Well back to the Co-Pilot,


an answer to my 1st question would be appreciated, and I was wondering if this thing would be enough, by itself, to hold the HJ/AT 145?

1bad01,


This copied from the ATS website. Not sure if this answers your question, but it is all I have to offer.


The stock Allison LCT-1000/2000 and 2400 transmissions torque capacity has been reduced by limiting the pressure that is available in the clutch packs. The stock Allison transmission only receives approximately 86 PSI oil pressure to the clutch packs when in 5th gear. After the addition of the Co-Pilot™ transmission system, the transmission clutch packs receive approximately 230 PSI. By allowing the available line pressure to the clutch packs we have designed a system that increases the torque capacity of the Allison transmission by over 200 foot pounds of torque with the simple addition of our Co-Pilot™ transmission kit.

Mtomac


We don't need the moderators involved? Kinda takes the fun away.


I do agree with you though, Mikey EL needs to do some real world tests himself (like PULLING / DRAG-RACING / DYNO #'s / ect) I haven't seen any, but I could be wrong?


All products have good & bad points, and work different with each other. So many think whatever they have IS THE BEST OUT THERE.


Mikey EL's only problem is FEAR & FEAR itself! Your acomplishments upset him in ways that we just don't understand.


Maybe if you used all TTS mods he would like you.


MIKE L.........................you crack me up!!!!!


TOMAC.........................hang in there.Edited by: JRmac

Trippin


Do you run the 145 juice?


If so, do you run it through the stock tranny?


Again, if so, how does it hold up?

1bad01,


Yes I run the 145 juice with the stock tranny. Everything else was stock as well. A couple of times to the track and the occasional stoplight stuff. The tranny did fine. I just installed a Banks exhaust system without the cat and set a code on my first power run. Seems to be ok in level 4 though. But I think the California trucks with EGR and cat are soft on power to begin with.Edited by: Trippin

Well back to the Co-Pilot,


an answer to my 1st question would be appreciated, and I was wondering if this thing would be enough, by itself, to hold the HJ/AT 145?





Call ATS. I spent 45 minutes on the phone with a nice guy named Willie. He will set you straight. I think he told me the copilot alone could handle any one single non stacked box available. He said the new version of suped up boxes such as the HJ would need the addition of the pump upgrade ecspecialy if launching. He then told me to stack or add other goodies you need to add the tripplelock converter. He said for an additional 244.00 you might as well do the cluthes. It is one extra hour to do the clutches . He also said there is an amazing difference inbetween the power handling capabilities of each individual Allison. He said it verys buy up to 75HP! Take a gamble. You might have one of the strong ones. Then again you might not.

This bickering, jabbing and name calling is getting nauseating...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Throw Up.gif








I have to agree completely with this statement .... As a member first moderator second I enjoy the debates and exchanges here tremendously ....


But the name calling insults are getting close to being out of hand ... I'm asking people to volunteer moderation or it's time for forced MODERATION ....


Nick is fully aware and has as us as moderators to step it up on this issue ....


The Diesel Place values a very open dialog lets not abuse this ....


Clean it up boys, please .... Some individuals are very turned off by the most current events getting nasty in nature ...





Your assistance will be appreciated Edited by: Mackin

Mackin- agreed totally. It seems that over the past month that there has been more bitchin and moaning and fighting than good information( though peanut has been spending more time in the performance section than the war room, learning and contributinghttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif). And the vendor slamming is brutal........keep that up and they won't even post here anymore, and i wouldn't blame them. We need these people as they seem to have more knowledge or tech reports and do more R&D than any of us, yet we bash them and still want info from them.


These personal attacks and fighting activity will only hurt us as a group, and end result we all lose out on wisdom or valuable info. If you want to fight or bicker, take it to the war room or pm somebody if you have a problem, don't air it out as it only hurts your credability or shows your true maturity.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


Keep it to info or useful stuff and maybe there won't be so many secrets. Oh....theres a thought.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

This bickering, jabbing and name calling is getting nauseating...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Throw Up.gif








I have to agree completely with this statement .... As a member first moderator second I enjoy the debates and exchanges here tremendously ....


But the name calling insults are getting close to being out of hand ... I'm asking people to volunteer moderation or it's time for forced MODERATION ....


Nick is fully aware and has as us as moderators to step it up on this issue ....


The Diesel Place values a very open dialog lets not abuse this ....


Clean it up boys, please .... Some individuals are very turned off by the most current events getting nasty in nature ...





Your assistance will be appreciated





This statement by MACKIN speaks volumes..........


THE DIESEL PLACE is a forum for members to exchange information and ideas. A place to hang out and have fun.


Vendor or not the personal insults will not be tolerated.....


Members have been given quiet hints in open posts here..PM warnings if necessary will follow........


We do not want an overmoderated sight but this constant bickering turns ALOT OF people off.


Please clean it up guys, I am giving advice....not warning any of you yet.


We are all adults are we not, SO LET'S START ACTING LIKE ADULTS !!!





TONY





Edited by: GMC-2002-Dmax

I want to thank all of you that gave CONSTRUCTIVE posts. These posts, and a good conversation with Kennedy yesterday, gave me good direction in the mods I'm going to do.


As someone stated above, I'm not sure why there is so much vendor bashing here. These guys are working with the parts we are interested in/curious about. They can also provide us with side-by-side comparisons of products. Sort through the information and come to your own conclusions. No need to blast people because of their impression of a product.


MODERATORS, I've learned what I needed from this post, please feel free to close it from further responses.

This thread should be closed..........hopefully it will continue with positive information.


For now it will be allowed to continue


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To add to the useful content in this thread:





I just installed the internal part of the latest copilot setup, removing my early edition. The installation has been simplified tremendously.


I still need to install the latest harness and copilot module, road test etc.

I think 99% of the people who read this thread want to know about the G*D D*MN Ats Co-Pilot. Not the BS. There is about 13 posts with info about the Co-Pilot. There is 15 posts where people are talking out their @ss.


I and 99% of the other people here would like to know about the Co-Pilot. So please ............


Jesse

http://atsdiesel.com/products/products-gm-transmission-valvebody.html

Kennedy, please post your thoughts once you get it road tested.

Mac and Tony,


I agree with you 100%. We alreay have a war room and would prefer to keep the other forums more positive so we can all learn and share.


Thank you!

I moved all the garbage out into safe keeping.

Now my post(s) make no sense.





Guess I should delete them?

I still want to know if the tranny needs removed to install the Co-Pilot.


Anyone?

I still want to know if the tranny needs removed to install the Co-Pilot.


Anyone?





I dunno if I was you if I was raising the bar in HP on my Duramax prior to the install I would want to inspect my exsisting clutches for wear ... This way you'll feel secure knowing the clutches are up to snuff for the additional HP you will want to now apply ...


Seems to me you could swap valve bodys and additional hardware without tranny dissassembling but removal is neccesary for Torque Converter install....


Mac Edited by: Mackin

No it does not need to be removed, just drop the pan. Thought I posted on that before.

If you did I did not see it through all the caos.

My mistake.





Anyhow,





Drain/Drop pan and it is all done inside...


Remove harness


Cut a steel line and insert solenoid


Drill a vent hole in valve body


Swap a spring on trim solenoid


Install new ATS internal harness


Button up pan, refill








From there, it's all outside the trans...

My mistake.





Anyhow,





Drain/Drop pan and it is all done inside...


Remove harness


Cut a steel line and insert solenoid


Drill a vent hole in valve body


Swap a spring on trim solenoid


Install new ATS internal harness


Button up pan, refill








From there, it's all outside the trans...





So how does it work??????????


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I've had VERY little drive time, but the problems that I was having are completely GONE!





I had a lot of unruly clunking and shifting that were related to the spacer plate. I was sent a new plate as the one that I was running was apparently incorrectly orificed.





The Commander definitely has a broad range of selectivity now also....





Just need to get some miles on it and work through all of the adaptive shifts.





Did I say NOT ONE clunk on any downshift???

So will the Co-Pilot alone help the transmission put more HP to the ground? Or does it just help the transmission last longer? Or both?
Right now I am running the Attitude only. I've about 3k miles with the juice and I have about 6k on the truck. So far I have not limped the trans or noticed any excesive slippage. I do have a lead foot and like to show my @ss sometimes....(Burnouts, 0-70 as fast as I can from a red light) In another month the race track opens and I would like to see what it can do. Is the co-pilot worth to install alone or should I save up and get the whole 9 yards?
Jesse

According to the literature that came with my Co-Pilot:


"The Co-Pilot increases the torque capacity of the stock Allison by 280 ft lbs of torque."


They are careful to say that this is on a transmission that has not been abused. A clutch pack that has been glazed a few times could reduce this amount.


The thing I think is cool, is it ties into the MAP sensor and delivers additional pressure upon demand to the clutches. This has to be good in the long run for durability. Also it gives me more buttons to play around with in the cab! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


Being able to tailor my shifts is an added bonus. I'm in! I'll let you know how it goes after the install.


I think the Suncoast and TTS stuff look good as well, looks like I'm just taking the road less traveled.


Now if I can just beat Mtomac.........http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif

Can the box that comes with the Co-Pilot be removed for when you have to take it to the dealer?


There website says 200ft-lbs, when you said 280ft-lbs, was that a typo, or could there website be wrong?

The box can be removed but as I haven't done the install yet I'm not sure if the extra wiring could.


Yeah, I noticed the difference between the instuction sheet and the web site. I just assumed that the instructions were correct and the web site outdated. Sorry if you feel I misled you.

WHAT IS THE COST OF THE CO-PILOT?

WHAT IS THE COST OF THE CO-PILOT?





$995

The copilot appears to be a neat unit in my opinion. The only draw back I see is the inabillity to remove it easly for dealer inspection.

DOES ANYONE HAVE A PIC OF THIS THING?

http://www.atsdiesel.com/products/products-gm-transmission-valvebody.html

I believe that there will be some pricing/kit revisions applying today...

Higher or lower?

After talking with ATS on the phone 3 days ago I beleive the changes will be more to do with kit options? He basically told me


1. Copilot alone. No mechanical.


2. Copilot + pump upgrade which requires sliding the tranny back 8".


3. Copilot+pump+Triple lock converter.


4. Copilot+pump+Triplelock+clutches


5. Remanufactured tranny.


I have prices and details but my notebook is in the truck. It is at the shop for the battery light? I think the copliot is 1k. I think the copilot + pump instaled is 1800.00. I think the copilot + pump uninstalled is 1400.00?


Wish I had my notebook.Edited by: Bronco

Waiting for ATS to send me the details.





Think I'll have to go out to eat tonight and see how the transmission acts. I just don't get out any more...

I just ordered the full kit, including the 16 C1 frictions option. After talking with them on the phone, I feel very confident in the R&D that they have done on the Allison.


Bronco,


They told me the external module could be removed when taking the truck to the dealer. They also said in addition to the changes you mentioned, they have added another disc to the C3 cluth pack.

Amric,


Who is going to help you with the install? I know the copilot can be removed, I just think it is a little more invloved than say an Edge juice? I am glad you feel comfortable with ATS. I think they have come along way.

I am fairly good with a wrench. I plan to do the install alone, unless someone want to come over and help out. ATS assured me that their instructions were VERY complete with pictures throughout. They also assured me that no transmission specific tools were needed. I don't forsee an issue doing the install myself. I have built countless engines, and IMHO they are more sensitive to error than a transmission.

Engines can be a bit sensitive. Especially when you put the wrong rod cap on, or something like that! The only thing I have ever heard about the Copilot install is the wire that goes to the instrument cluster. Some say you should replace the one in the kit with one of your own? Other claim they no longer have there tow haul light? Sounded to me like agood place for a heat sink and high quality solder? Since I have never seen the kit in person I am only guessing. The converasation was just posted. Heck it might even be in the begining of this thread? Please update as soon as possible. I am sure I am not as excited as you are but I am rather curious to hear your feedback. Haste makes Waste and good luck! Edited by: Bronco

Amric lemme know your impressions on the kit and install, I may end up heading down the same road..


Mike

Amric lemme know your impressions on the kit and install, I may end up heading down the same road..


Mike





Mike,


You should come by and help me install it, then you can learn first hand if its something your interested in. If you got one later, I could return the favor.

I'll be in touch..