Just installed sixgun last night. So far I'm not very happy with the results. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif I dont feel the power that Banks is claiming even on level six. The truck is sluggish just before each shift in any setting even level one. I will contact Banks Monday to find out whats up with that. If Banks doesn't have any answers or if thats normal for the sixgun, guess I'll be looking for a new box/programmer. Any ideas/input would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks,


ChazEdited by: chazman

this is for chazman it came straits from banks:

There has been some confusion about this sequence because we have had some variations in software in our product. Here is a procedure that will work for your product no matter what version of software you have, or what you have done or been told previously. To detect the SpeedLoader after everything is installed: Set the switch to the #1 position. START the engine (previous instructions said Key On, Engine Off). Leave the switch in the #1 postion for at least 5 seconds while the engine is running. Move the switch to the #6 position for at least 5 seconds. Move the switch back to the #1 position for at least 5 seconds. The sequence is now complete.

Thanks for the info FISHHOG. I'll try that sequence and see what happens. btw, where did you find that info?


Chaz

Just installed sixgun last night. So far I'm not very happy with the results. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif I dont feel the power that Banks is claiming even on level six. The truck is sluggish just before each shift in any setting even level one. I will contact Banks Monday to find out whats up with that. If Banks doesn't have any answers or if thats normal for the sixgun, guess I'll be looking for a new box/programmer. Any ideas/input would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks,


Chaz
Sounds like it's defuelling. Once your Alli gets used to the power it will shift a lot better. Most of us went through this with the juice. Drive it hard and you will be happy in no time http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif I have no experience with the six gun but I am just guessing from what I have seen with the juice.

MAX POWER IS RIGHT
the info came straight from the head of tech communications at Banks.you also read page 10 of the manual. it says you must install the thermo couple and run the lead to the six-gun. if you do not do this the speedloader & the sixgun tuner will NOT ADD POWER RESULTING IN STOCK POWER LEVEL. GOOD LUCK

Tried the sequence that FISHHOG refered to, no difference. I think I'll take Max Powers advice. Just run the dog snot out of it and see how she works out. If in time I'm still not happy, I'll be in the market for something else. Oh, I did install the thermocouple for the speed loader. Followed the banks inst word for word, twice. Thought I done something wrong. The stock boost level never changed a bit, in any setting, only 15psi max. Perhaps I need to do a little tweaking on the bighead actuator.


Thanks,


ChazEdited by: chazman

CHAZMAN
do you have the egt probe wired directly to the six gun

No, I have the egt probe installed in the right side exhaust manifold per the inst, however I do have my pyro gauge conected to the same probe. Are you suggesting I need two seperate probes? The manual states that I would get an error code if the thermocouple was not working/connected. FISHHOG are you using the sixgun as well?Edited by: chazman

hopefully this will answer your questionhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/46A_DSCN2387.JPG

FISHHOG, I hope you have better luck than I did. Are you going to install both thermocouples?


chaz

Hello,


A couple of quick questions about yourguys 6-guns.


1. Will the amount of defuel change according to slip, or is it a preset amount?


2. Does the speed loader adjust fuel pressure on all levels or just level 6?


Thanks,


JeffEdited by: Bronco

Bronco, It is my understanding that the defuel changes according to trans slip, and the fuel pressure changes for each setting.


Chaz

i have had it installed fo 10 days

FISHHOG, how do ya like it?

BRONCO
if you buy it . you will be happy with it as it does not smoke
it does have some serious bottom end torque. how much i can't say for sure? it does monitor the tcc for slip. it defuels before shifts most severe in the higher levels but this is getting better as my trans is relearning the power.egts so far have been at 1100-1200 at 90mp. this was unloaded but on hard acc. and still pulling strong. i will tow next weekend for a better report as to tq. and egt. level 3 so far is awesome imho.

FISHHOG, how do ya like it?

i bought it for towing so far it has no drivability issues other thanthe defueling for slip protection

I run mine on level 5 on a daily basis to keep out of the increased fuel pressure of level 6, which according Banks is for competition. It will out run most anything off the lights on 5.


The defueling on shifts does lessen the more you drive as the trans computer adjusts itself.

Just curious what made you guys choose the banks over say the juice? What advantages does the banks have?

I chose the sixgun because of the easy in cab adjustability, as well as the price.


chaz

If it takes time to bring the tranny up to speed, then how in the world could you accuratly dyno any box after a 10 mile drive? Does the tech 2 force a tranny to learn that quickly?

If you'r only getting 15lbs of boost your six gun is not working. Mine goes up to at least 19. My truck is a ZF 6-speed so mine made more power from the get go. I'm going to go outside and do the speed loader reboot right now just out of curiosity to see if I pick up "more power."

If you'r only getting 15lbs of boost your six gun is not working. Mine goes up to at least 19. My truck is a ZF 6-speed so mine made more power from the get go. I'm going to go outside and do the speed loader reboot right now just out of curiosity to see if I pick up "more power."


Glad to see some real results from members....


Curious about the boost though, my 2002 stock will pull 20-22 psi and with the HOT OJ around 26-28 psi.


Wondering why the boost is so low.......with the six gun


Anyone got any ideas ??????





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If you'r only getting 15lbs of boost your six gun is not working. Mine goes up to at least 19. My truck is a ZF 6-speed so mine made more power from the get go. I'm going to go outside and do the speed loader reboot right now just out of curiosity to see if I pick up "more power."


im getting 20# of boost with a auto on hard acc on flat ground
and will try to increase that tommorrow. i still have the cat on and stock air filter

If it takes time to bring the tranny up to speed, then how in the world could you accuratly dyno any box after a 10 mile drive? Does the tech 2 force a tranny to learn that quickly?


Tranny quality shifts will not matter on a dyno or wont be felt .... Most will roll up into 4TH allow TC to lock and wood it with a tech II locking 4TH .... Even if allowed to shift into OD it still wouldn't be a quirky shift so to speak ....


It's on the street where the Allison needs to adapt to all the shifts under all the additional power ....





Mac

Boost is a direct correlation to amount of load .... No load no boost ....


Go climb a hill and report back max boost reading ....





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I run mine on level 5 on a daily basis to keep out of the increased fuel pressure of level 6, which according Banks is for competition. It will out run most anything off the lights on 5.


The defueling on shifts does lessen the more you drive as the trans computer adjusts itself.








Anything except another Duramax running any other brand of module... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

socaldmax


Do you have proof the Banks module is lowest performer of all modules ever built or are you just having a little fun?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

You guys were right again, truck's running much better the more I drive her, still not up to my expectations, but much better. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

boost = fuel = power. If your not making boost then your not getting any fuel and no power........Maxed out wrote "I run mine on level 5 on a daily basis to keep out of the increased fuel pressure of level 6, which according Banks is for competition. It will out run most anything off the lights on 5." You know I guess that depends on what you are lined up with.

Im waiting on extremediesels dyno report w/the speed loader added. With those results compared to the juice same day same dyno same truck should offer some more insight to banks new product. Their advertising is a bit on the optimistic side in my book and looking at the earlier post proves it.

10 to 12 upshifts thru the gears along with that many downshifts should be more than enough for the allison to adapt. The predator had similar defuel and pause before it shifted earlier on. I never used it after that just used the tire correction programing.

The banks guys accused me of trying to bring down the six gun and that was not my point, I just wanted them to be truthful in their results. There are members here that know the difference between hype and horsepower................dave

Re-read my post. I said at least 19. If I wood it in 6th on the fwy on setting 5 it jumps right up to 19 with no load. I don't tow on #6 so I'll probably never see max boost.

I've installed the Six-Gun w/speed loader in my truck and thought it would run with a BullyDog 155hp Power Pup, being they are rated at the same HP gain. I have a friend with the 155hp Power Pup, and that thing runs strong. Too bad the tranny slips in 5th and goes into limp-home mode. The problem is, I think his truck will beat mine with mine on stage 6 (155) and his on stage 3 (95). Of course, his doesn't de-fuel before shifts. When I first installed mine, I ran it with the g-tech, and could only manage a 15.25. I'm going to run it again this week through all the stages and see if the tranny did really adjust itself over time. Has anybody run the Power Pup through the 1/4 yet? By itself, it's got to run about mid 14s if the tranny doesn't slip. I'm trying to run mid 14s with the Six-Gun, intake and Banks exhaust, but I don't think I'll ever reach the 14s. Does anybody out there make something to bypass the speed limiter on the '01 WITHOUT taking out the Banks? I can't handle the 97mph cutoff....

Where did you get the impression that the Banks 6 Gun adds 155hp? The dyno chart from Bank's own website shows a stock truck making 250hp. Then they made 335hp with the 6 gun with speedloader. That's actually an 85 hp gain.


I saw a dyno chart done by cyclone diesel that shows the Power pup making about 155hp extra (70hp more than the 6 Gun) and guys have gotten 195 to 220hp out of the Quadzilla 215.


Good luck in your quest to get into the 14's. Sad to say, I honestly don't think the 6 Gun was the best choice for drag racing or all out power.

Scotty,


I will buy your Banks if you want tp purchase a true racer . What other mods does your truck have? How about the truck with the power puppy?

25.4 psi boost here with hot oj.......

Hey look at the bottom of your six gun....

You see that little label that says "made in taiwan"
Under that it says 'Banks pea shooter"


Shoulda got a Hot OJ.....

In regards to the first question. The Banks Six-Gun is rated at a gain of 128hp/345tq on stage 6 without speed loader. With the speed loader, it's rated at 155hp/385tq. The reason I installed the Banks is because they have always been high quality and usually tops for power/tq gains for diesels. On their website, they say that this was supposed to be tops for the Duramax and that others may claim more, but is usually not the case. As far as selling it, it's stayin' in. At least they give you some nice emblems for the truck. I'll try the switch reset with the engine running, but I don't think this will work. If the tranny does have to learn the new power curve and does less defueling before shifts, it should run high 14's. It does have impressive torque. Does TTSpowersystems offer a custom program that JUST bypasses the speed limiter?

"On their website, they say that this was supposed to be tops for the Duramax and that others may claim more, but is usually not the case....... At least they give you some nice emblems for the truck. "

Those stickers will not make it get into the 14's. This is the reason I have a problem with the way banks represents their six gun. The dyno sheets they provide are for peak gains and can not be compared to the others. If you will look at xtreme diesels mustang dyno sheets in another post here it all becomes too apparent. Sorry you are disappointed. Steve at tts can fix your speedlimiter and give you an excellant 80 rwhp tow program along with a 30rwhp economy and a kick ass 120 race program. You get a 3 position switch to install in the cab and you can switch on the fly. His site is in my signature.

Just wait till the CA boys run it on the Dyno and put the baby to bed......


Socal...gonna go or what???????


We need a colorful post about the six gun should it fall short or put it down.


Same truck, same day, hopefully a Quad 215, Attitude HOT OJ and a Sixgun will all roll on the same truck...





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There was a good question asked by Scotty in ragards to the 6-gun. I suppose it could apply to any shift on the fly type box. How can you shift on the fly if the tranny needs timr to to relearn?

To answer the question about switch on the fly programs and transmission relearn I can only answer for our product. When we reprogram the controller we tell the transmission how much power we are making at each level so it knows where to set the shift quality. The only problem we get into is that on our Race(120 RwHp) program, some transmissions are not capable of hold that much power, so it's time for a upgrade at that power level. We worked hand in hand with Transgo and developed the upgrade kit for this. We supplied the trucks, controller knowledge and the power increases to develop the kit and ended up makeing our own torque converter to handle the power.


The only way I know how to do this is with a reprogram so I donot know if anyone else's plug-in box can do it.

When we reprogram the controller we tell the transmission how much power we are making at each level so it knows where to set the shift quality.


Can you elaborate? I thought no one could yet reprogram the TCM, and you only repreogramed the ECM. How do you tell the transmision how much power your making? I can't speak for others, but my Allison takes more than a week to adapt to a power change even as small as 30hp. I worry that all the shift on the fly modules are bad for the Allison. If you can clear this up, I may have to change my stance on the whole issue.


The same issue can be said for not turning up the power until the Duramax warms up. It seems like every morning, the Allison would be unlearning what it learned the day before. I prefer the good old fashioned method of staying out of the go pedal until its warm. I don't need the computers help.