Ok after getting the tranny soon:ro) I will be wanting something to play with. I am thinking the TTS Extreme. What kind of smoke will this produce for one, yes I know smoke is bad, but it is fun. Also what kind of dyno numbers with extreme alone.

I know this is a tuner, so will it stack with the edge/attitude, or is that just overkill, or should I do more. I want to be around 550 hp or more.

Will be close to 500 on stock turbo and injects with a lift pump. You'll prob. need to spray to get to 550. Or have a good dyno operator.):h j/k some have made over 520 on stock turbo. I'm sure most have undisclosed "other" mods that add up to make the bigger # or they use a different dyno procedure.

Out of 3 different dynos from Spring to Fall I never got over 500 hp. The closest I got was 499.5HP which was in July I beleive. Was running the same thing I am today ... lift pumps, boost valve, AFE II, etc. In fact, out of 4 trucks here in Oregon running the extreme no one has ever done over 500 HP on #2. All trucks dyno'd same day on Mustang 1750 dyno. I know others have stated they have dyno'd over 500 ...perhaps it's the air or elevation or whatever.

Well good posts keep them coming. I read all these guys saying how awesome it is. WEll on a stock tranny regular edge, and a quad 215 i netted 440 a year ago, so I am wondering if after I get a built trans, if its worth the money for just a extreme. Its only 60 hp. If I get the edge turned to hot that may gain me a few more ponies with the stack and the new tranny should hold alot better. HMMMMMMMM...............

If you already have the quad and juice run that to save some coin after you get the trans. Then if you decide that's not up to par buy the Xtreme. If money isn't weighing into this, just buy the Xtreme. You should put down a lot more than 440 with that stack with a built trans. Drivability will not be near as good though.

Off topic, but how did you get the converter to hold the 440 horse stock trans. run? Most are only capable of 400 or so without slipping IIRC.

Well to be honest I don't know. David Dunbar ran my truck on his dyno. Davidtd if you know him on here. I only trust him with my truck. He ran it once and said "Did you hear that"? It blew through, wana run it again. I say yep. So he did it 3 more times with the 440 consistant all 3 runs.

David is the dyno guy.

To be more clear with my first post. Once most get the kinks ironed out of their "bastard stack" they usually run close to 500 as well. As I said though, drivability won't be as good as the Xtreme.

David is the dyno guy.

To be more clear with my first post. Once most get the kinks ironed out of their "bastard stack" they usually run close to 500 as well. As I said though, drivability won't be as good as the Xtreme.


From what ive been told the Xtreme is a realy touchy and jerky tune. As far as a daily driving tune. With no diference between any of the three settings. Makes backing into a TT or 5er difficult to say the least. Again this is just what ive been told..........

The Xtreme is definitley touchy. But its not a bad touchy. Its just real responsive. I can imagine it would be difficult backing a trailer though. If you are concernced about that when ordering ask Steve if he could leave a stock setting on one of the positions instead of the 120 or 80 tune.

from what i have seen and heard the tts is great at the track, as for towing well that is another thing, unless you use the lower hp levels, but then all other tunes will do as well
hp levels on the extreme tts from what i have seen have been in the 450 to 480hp range with 1000lbs of tq,(lots of fuel)
i will be dynoing the tts in a few weeks, and will report the numbers


excessive smoke does not make power, and takes hours to clean off the trailer, makes engine oil real dirty, and is not freindly with the enviroment,
but works great with nitrous

their is other great tunes that make good power without some of the hickups

If you are concernced about that when ordering ask Steve if he could leave a stock setting on one of the positions instead of the 120 or 80 tune.

That's been requested more then once :) I would like to have an "Stock", 120 and 200 settings but not an option, at least today.

The xtreme is not bad at all for towing and I tow all the time. I haven't thought about it being real touchy unless I just got done flogging it. I will say the egts are lower with the xtreme on 80 or 120 than what a juice is by itself. Having it on a switch is enough of a reason for me to have a juice over a quad, but that is just my opinoin.I have no complaints with xtreme.

From what ive been told the Xtreme is a realy touchy and jerky tune. As far as a daily driving tune. With no diference between any of the three settings. Makes backing into a TT or 5er difficult to say the least. Again this is just what ive been told..........

not jumping on ya or anything, but they must be soup haters!! to me thats a bunch of :blahblah: . the only complaint i have about it, is it jumps a little when you first touch the gas just for a split second(gets a little more noticeable in bigger settings, but 80 is not bad). last time i checked there is a hugh difference between the settings. the 80 feels real good, there is no flare up when driving in that setting. the 120, a very little bit but still driveable(it seems like when boost comes up it goes) as far as the big setting, its more tame than my old salad(bastard stack) i would say noise wise and streetable wise, the tts will win, untill you want to get lower than 80hp. they both have quirks that i got used to, could back anything up that you wanted me to with either power maker. one other thing that drove me crazy is the bastard stack would just take off in reverse, tts is much tammer;) not talking anything up here, just telling you what i have experienced on both sides of the world

not jumping on ya or anything, but they must be soup haters!! to me thats a bunch of :blahblah: . the only complaint i have about it, is it jumps a little when you first touch the gas just for a split second(gets a little more noticeable in bigger settings, but 80 is not bad). last time i checked there is a hugh difference between the settings. the 80 feels real good, there is no flare up when driving in that setting. the 120, a very little bit but still driveable(it seems like when boost comes up it goes) as far as the big setting, its more tame than my old salad(bastard stack) i would say noise wise and streetable wise, the tts will win, untill you want to get lower than 80hp. they both have quirks that i got used to, could back anything up that you wanted me to with either power maker. one other thing that drove me crazy is the bastard stack would just take off in reverse, tts is much tammer;) not talking anything up here, just telling you what i have experienced on both sides of the world

Nope they werent "soup" hatters...They were "soup" owners and happy at that:) They had just made the comment that it was a jerky tune and for precision driving, like backing up to a trailer, it was hard to drive. Some day i hope to try one myself:cool:

Nope they werent "soup" hatters...They were "soup" owners and happy at that:) They had just made the comment that it was a jerky tune and for precision driving, like backing up to a trailer, it was hard to drive. Some day i hope to try one myself:cool:

Well at least we had an upfront review about it. On the plus side they certainly don't complain about the 'go' power of it!:ro)

what do you want to know....i will tell ya:D

Well at least we had an upfront review about it. On the plus side they certainly don't complain about the 'go' power of it!:ro)


This is true.... I havent heard any complaints in the "GO" department, but to me drivability is a concern also. Some may agree with me and others wont.....To each there own. I just thought that it would be good that soon to be buyers knew that it had this quirk, if you could call it that. Even so i would like to feel the "GO" that the Xtreme has one of these days. But for now funds are low and i will have to wait:D

its not really a big deal. i really noticed it when i first started driving it, seems to me a little more noticable when the motor is cold. but now, i dont notice it or can predicted it now. but....the girlfriend dont notice it, or at least complain about, so it cant be that bad!!!!!!!!!

very nice review of the extream , honest and true , all these high hp tuners have idosyncrosies ( boy was that a good one) some are touchy , some have surging , some shift hard , some smoke , some dont , if I was driving the 1/4 mile only I wouldnt care if it shifted like a steel driving railcar, as long as my times were what I wanted. we ask alot of these trucks , drive like a Mercedes everyday , drag like a funny car on the weekend and pull like a big rig durring the work week , all the while pushing the engine internals to thier limit, let alone the trans(maybee ALLISON is smart enough to know it wasnt ment to go this fast) That being said, I will make that B!tch learn if I have to go through 5 driveshafts and wear a halo to hold my head in place doing it, because I to want my cake and eat it too!!!

Well this is all helping me. I want to know all sides to all things. I have half the stack now, but wondered if the Extreme would be better than trying something else. I want to know what smokes more, because I like smoke, its perty! HAHAHAH But I also want power. I may try the PPE eliminator and the edge hot as a combo. I dont know until I try it. But keep the posts coming guys. It is goor reading.

my stack hot juice ver. 4.81 and the quad ver. 1.05 compared to the tts on smoke. tts win with out even having to think about it. one of the first things i noticed is that the tts doesnt lite my turbo as fast in 5th gear as the bastard stack. this was noticed before my tranny went! lots of smoke either way, much more with the tts on top, bastard stack down low

Well this is all helping me. I want to know all sides to all things. I have half the stack now, but wondered if the Extreme would be better than trying something else. I want to know what smokes more, because I like smoke, its perty! HAHAHAH But I also want power. I may try the PPE eliminator and the edge hot as a combo. I dont know until I try it. But keep the posts coming guys. It is goor reading.

Well then.

I have had, dyno'd or ran at the track all there is to run except a Banks 6 gun and the newest offerings from PPE, which I will be testing this Friday.......:cool:

The TTS XTREME version previous to the one I have now put down 490 HP/1023 on a Mustang Load Cell 1750 dyno. It was updated by TTS in the spring to the current offering and has pushed my 7185 lb truck into the high 12.9's on #2 fuel only.

IMHO after running the HOT OJ, QUAD 215, VA 200++ and the PPE Hot that the Xtreme is the single best performing tune out, drivability wise, shift on the fly between 80/120/Xtreme is a nice feature. The Edge offers shift on the fly and the VA but they do not do what the Xtreme does.

The stacks may get you close in HP/TQ but do not offer the drivability that the Xtreme gives you IMHO.

The "Soup" is better than the "Salad"...........you have to decide if you want to invest another $600-$1000 for a Quad or PPE and then deal with the excessive timing from the stack.

Your choice, having been there done that I won't be switching anytime in the future...........
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anyone know how the 80 does towing..lets say 17K or so?

I run the bastard stack but work with the HJAT alone. It a very smooth and torky box and I like the security and the backdown. The backdown is often used with the hauling I do. You already have it at cost to you...

{IMHO after running the HOT OJ, QUAD 215, VA 200++ and the PPE Hot that the Xtreme is the single best performing tune out, drivability wise, shift on the fly between 80/120/Xtreme is a nice feature. The Edge offers shift on the fly and the VA but they do not do what the Xtreme does.}

How does the shift on the Fly differ between the Xtreme/HJAT and the atVa? What does it do that the others don't?

Jack

edge and va are boxes that trick the computer, so when you change the setting, it alters what the computer sees. the tts is the computer, when you flip the switch(not 100% sure here) it reads different parts of the computer. its already in the computer, just switching between files?

That's been requested more then once :) I would like to have an "Stock", 120 and 200 settings but not an option, at least today.
Yep. The TTS`does tow well....and it does go...