One month ago, next door friend bought a 2004 Dodge Cummings HO, Automatic, One Ton. So far he has 2000 miles on it. At 1500 miles the Transmission went out. In the next 500 miles he has had a Injector pump, computer, wiring harness, plus other nit picken items replaced. In a months period, it has been in the shop 7 times. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


So I don't think I will be jumping ship to the other makes of trucks-Fo#d or Do#ge. They don't seem to be building quality products eather.


Just thought I would pass this on to the men who think the grass is greener on the other side of the fence. I have had no problems with my D-Max and hope it stays that way, but at least I made it past 1500 mile, not like my next door friend.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

I agree 100%, My Dmax is almost 2 years old, 16,000 miles on it, and haven't had it back to the dealer for any warranty issues (touch wood). I know of a few Fo#d owners that wish they had never traded in their old Powersmokes for the new Powerjokes.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif However after all the stuff I've read on the injector problems and dirty fuel, i just ordered a Nicktane kit. We'll see how long it takes them to get one to Canada.

They all make lemons, your buddy just has bad luck. There are unfortunate folks who bought lemon duramaxes as well, I'm just glad I've never been stuck with one.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif <knock on wood>

I drove a dodge rental truck and the tranny broke with 11 miles on it. My ford F150 had 48 repairs in 6 months (lemon bought back). My toyota had 3 trannies by 22k. My silverado had 23 repairs by 3 months. My Dmax has 9 issues I need to get repaired asap.

All trucks are crap. Some just more then others. Some will nag you to death (like a bad wife) with little crap. Some just break down and wont move.

JMO

But I still would'nt drive a car even with all the BS problems.

I got to say That I have a 1997 ford F150 4.6L with 310k miles with 0 problems.


Original trans, water pump, radiator, etc its a great truck http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


My D Max has 55k miles and 0 problems, except for the oil pressure guage http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

You know when I read stuff like this it makes me wonder if I should not even look at a duramax and keep my 1500. It has been reliable and never had any major problems. Just the typical fuel gauge being wacked out and the service 4wd light sometimes. Both easy fixes if I wasn't so cheap. Other than that, great truck. Just doesn't have a diesel... What to do....


Oh and the other thing it does that irks me, is never gets better than 12.9 mpg. Even with my leadfoot it ought to be better.

_nar_ Sell Crack its worth it. I had a '99 Z71 before my DMAX. Great Truck but had a few ABS problems. The big boy will turn 30k this month, only problem is 4*4 service light is on. Dealer said its most likely the push button BS. DMAX is worth whatever you have to do to get one. All of these folks will back me on that. and when you have a problem, its a quick fix for us cheap ace's. Good Luck!

I had a '98 Z71 that puked it's $4200 auto tranny at 70K miles, I traded it to the dealer for a '01 Z71 after the dealership told me there was nothing wrong with it. Yea right, like staying in 3rd gear at 75mph and a vibration that felt like you were on a vibrating bed is normal. They sold it 2 days after I traded it in and ended up having to foot the bill for a new transmission 3 days later. HA HA HA. Eat it boys. I never did like that dealership, but they did have the lowest prices.

I won't, because no matter how much we debate this, it is not worth the economical risk of keeping this truck past 100K, I will trade for something else before the warranty expires, and realistically it will be a dodge, because even if thier injectors fail, they cost alot less and they can be done by the owner, ours are a horror show for the backyard mechanic.

neverenuf, it's funny you should say that, trannys are one of the reasons I was thinking of ditching the 2000. I read that transmissions and rear ends tend to go out at 60-70k on this year truck. We just replaced dad's transmission with 72k on it in his 2000. Mine only has 58k on it, but hey that makes it worth more to trade in anyway. Thinking about that junk 4l60e and pulling 15000# of hay with it, makes me think perhaps an allison and duramax are needed.

We'll see what happens in the coming years when the Japanese diesel pickups hit the streets. Will it end up that GM and Ford cut their teeth on the designs and they'll perfect them for mass production? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif

Toyota has had diesels for a long, long time. They are good. My Dad had a Toyota Crown with a 5 cylinder diesel that ran like a train back in the late 70's, early 80's in Europe.
My fil had a Datsun car with a little 4 banger diesel that ran forever and ever. It had well over 200,000 miles without anything other then reg maintanance.

Not to smack the bee-hive or anything, But its been my experence that problem cars or trucks follow problem people. Its allways the same people with all the problems no matter what vehicle thay buy. Just an observation boys, Been in the biz for 17 years now.








Robert

Not to smack the bee-hive or anything, But its been my experence that problem cars or trucks follow problem people. Its allways the same people with all the problems no matter what vehicle thay buy. Just an observation boys, Been in the biz for 17 years now.





On my current job site, there's a young fella with a F***D 250 Powerstroke. Every evening at quitting time, he fires it up and runs it at 4,000 rpm for 4 or 5 minutes to get the heater working. It sounds like a jet fighter taking off on afterburner and can be heard all over the parking area and *inside the trailers* here at work. I'm not the only one that has looked incredulously in that direction and just shook our heads when he jumps into a truck that has been sitting in single digit cold for 10 hours and basically firewalls it right off the crank! I know without a doubt that this fellow will be complaining down the road about what a "piece of junk" his last pickup was because of all the troubles he had with it! It really makes me cringe every time I hear it.

I won't, because no matter how much we debate this, it is not worth the economical risk of keeping this truck past 100K, I will trade for something else before the warranty expires, and realistically it will be a dodge, because even if thier injectors fail, they cost alot less and they can be done by the owner, ours are a horror show for the backyard mechanic.

I have not seen anybody post the cost of brand new injectors for the new Cummins. I would bet if you get the part number and go to the dealer you will be surprised.
We have seen injectors for the Dmax discounted to below $300 each. That's still a lot of cash but I do not think the Cummins BOSCH injectors are "a lot" cheaper than that. After all they aren't some simple valve, they are precision machined electromechanical components. The one in the Dodge are no different except for mounting provisions. Pick your poison.
Secondly, if you go to the Dodge forum here you's see I have posted cutaway pics of the new Cummins proving that it is the same injection systen as the Dmax.
Anybody that calls the Dmax injection system inferior (capt) and runs to Dodge is climbing a dead tree in their own mind.

Then you have the Dodge trans.... no Allison option. If you look at the Cummins buyers, you'll find a great number choose
a manual transmission, not so much because they don't like automatics,
it's more like they don't trust a Dodge auto behind a diesel.

The new Dodge Cummins has the injectors buried under the valve cover/rocker arms.
The new Dmax has them easily accessible. At this point I think the GM is the better choice.

You get one or two guys justifying their Dodge purchase and you have literally thousands justifying their Dmax purchase.

It's still a long wait and see for the Cummins. Edited by: hoot

New Bosch injectors for a 04.5 Cummins 600 is $ 489.00 my price.

And you only have to buy 6 of them.Also only one valve cover to pull,and alot easier to get at IF there is a problem.They tested the new 325/600 for 22,000 hours at full load,that is equivelent to 5,000,000 miles.They also drove "a lap of America"and "a lap of Indiana".The first is 50,000 highway miles at GCWR,the second is 100k at slow speeds at GCWR.Plus they have been running the same set-up in europe for several years.You all talk down your nose at Dodge/Cummins but it has proven it self time and time again.Several Hot-shotters with over 1,000,000 miles.It is not unusual around here to see even 1st generation Dodges with over 500k loaded to the gills every day.I don't have a crystal ball though and neither do you guys so we will have to wait and see on long term durability on both the HPCR 5.9 and the 48 RE auto.If the 48RE looks like it is doing good(and so far it is) I may just consider one...Doug

New Bosch injectors for a 04.5 Cummins 600 is $ 489.00 my price.


Is that Dodge price or Cummins price.Take some advice never buy Cummins parts from the Dodge store.

If that is the price even at only (6) it's as much as the Dmax to do all eight

From dodge dealer, jobber price.Called a buddy of mine to see,I'm sure they can be had for less somewere.They had 6 week lead time.


All Bosch products will feel continuing price increases due to the rapidly falling $US .Global outsourcing can hurt.

Hoot, you make some good points. The automatic is not even a concern of mine, I don't trust any new autos, hence why I got the ZF6. Do you think you could change out the injectors in your truck if you successfully diagnosed the bad one?? I saw somewhere ours can be found for like 265 bucks, but with bosch sucking up all the friggin cores and the new ones making ours only made for 3 years...imagine how much a dmax injector will cost in 2-3 years from now.

I think they are made in Charlotte

Are the injectors overall the same as the LLY ones, but internal??? Because if only 3 years of duramaxes have them...good luck trying to find them in several years.

I don't know but I thought I just read somewhere the part numbers are the same.

3 years of injectors is probably like 2.8 million injectors.