O.k. I got my banks six-gun system with the speed loader installed with all the gauges and monster exhaust and I am let down. Was I expecting too much? I thought I would be white smoking for days. Off the line it feels like it is -:t before it goes, even in the higher settings. I am looking at 0-60 in and around 10sec+. Is that supposed to be good? Is this is what $1600+ is getting me? I read about how some people are blowing people off the road, and to be honest I wouldn't line up with a stock camaro with a V-6. I guess what I would like to know is this.
1. What can I expect?
2. What is realistic in terms of take-off and go power?
3. Am I expecting too much?
I have a 2004.5 lly cc 2500hd short bed with 265/75r/16 Nitto Terragrapplers. Thanks, Bryan

welcome aboard Bryan, I would suggest that you search through this section because there are many threads about the Banks Six Gun packages.. might answer your questions.

That's strange, mine hauls ass even here in Denver at a mile of elevation. I would check everything out one more time just for good measure and then I would call Banks. Hope it works out for you.

Thanks briano. The site has an abundant amount of info. I have read
literally for hours in the past weeks on this very topic. And I have found useful threads. However, I can't seem to find anything just specific enough for my needs. See, even in DieselDemon's post. "Mine hauls ass".
Does this mean you could burn the tires off all day? Out run a vette or cobra? What is hauls ass? I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but would like specifics. This would help me determine if my system is actually working to its potential. Again mine seems to have more power, but just not that much. I would assume that the Banks stuff would either work or not. Not just a little.
Now, the only thing that seems visually wrong is the smoke. I know that there will be some smoke during heavy excellerations, but man mine blows out smoke for a long while(through the entire excelleration). Is this normal? Other than that, everything checks out. And again there is more power, so I assume that the Banks system is working. Thanks again. Bryan

Compared to stock, Banks works good, adds power.

Compared to about anything else out there, its overpriced and over marketed. Gale Banks is the best marketing guy in the world. Just cant back it up with good product IMO.

Been There Done That, It Is A Sh!t Product, As Dmaxilitech Said Great Marketing , But Bad Power!!!!!!!!!! A 85 Hp Tuner Can Run Away From Banks , Bite The Bullet And Sell The Six Gun And Buy A Real Tuner!!!!!!

Take it off send it back and tell them you are not satisfied. Lots of better options out there like the ppe xcellerator or the predator. Predator would be my vote for best bang for the buck.....the hot xcellerator has the hottest single program. With this in mind.....anything over 90 hp is gonna hurt a stock allision.

Is the module giving you a fault code? Mine runs 0-60 in 6.6 seconds on level 4, which is before the aggressive tuning on levels 5 and 6. As far as comparing the Banks Six-Gun to other tuners, mine on level 4 runs with a Bullydog Powerpup on it's 95hp setting and level 5 runs right with the Edge with Attitude on 5/5. I would love to line up with any 85hp tuner that will "run away" from me. LOL.

Is the module giving you a fault code? Mine runs 0-60 in 6.6 seconds on level 4, which is before the aggressive tuning on levels 5 and 6. As far as comparing the Banks Six-Gun to other tuners, mine on level 4 runs with a Bullydog Powerpup on it's 95hp setting and level 5 runs right with the Edge with Attitude on 5/5. I would love to line up with any 85hp tuner that will "run away" from me. LOL.

0-60 and runs right with, give me a break! -:t Quit posting that bull****, get some real dyno numbers and a real ET slip from your truck! Everytime a post mentioning the Banks 6pk surfaces you jump up on your stump and pound your chest while the rest of us sit back, laugh our asses off and say WTF is he talking about? :cookoo:

My 85hp tuner is faster than your 85hp tuner :muahaha:

:stirthepo

Ah, yes, here's RaceHemi again. The previous post is what it is. Get over it.

Scotty unless you can provide numbers from your truck to back up your claims you sound just a Banks advertisement - All blow and no go! :eek:

Banks built a solid product. Marketed as the most powerful tuner .. is a big reach. Marketed as one of the safest tuners is probably more accurate.

For the mid level Bomber, it is probably a good product (idiot proof)
For those questing more uuumph there are other viable alternatives.

Every product out there fills a niche in the market. Every product has it's plusses and minuses. The consumer decides what is 'right' for them.

When I last dynoed the banks; level 6/speedloader, version 2, lift pumps, built tranny, exhaust, it dynoed at 419rwhp/813rwtq. Not bad numbers, but nothing compared to what's out there either.

RaceHemi,
Once again, those numbers are 422rwhp and 822rwtq. If you look at some of the signatures from other Six-Gun owners, you'll find my numbers are very close to theirs. I've RUN my truck 0-60 and through the 1/4 mile at the track and with a G-Tech Pro. I've RUN against identical trucks with the Bullydog Powerpup, Edge with Attitude, and Hypertech. Two of those programmers I've OWNED. I've got several friends with tuned diesels. We compare the trucks all of the time. I know this is on an LB7 and not an LLY. From what I've seen posted so far, the Six-Gun outruns the Predator and the Edge with Attitude on the LLY, and easily runs away from the Hypertech. How can you constantly say that the Banks is all blow and no go. No wonder Peter from Banks doesn't bother posting here anymore. What does YOUR truck dyno at? What does YOUR truck run in the 1/4 mile. Have you raced any other tuners side by side? What were your findings? Please enlighten me.

Hey!

I do not dyno do not even care to know. What I do know is if you have a working truck and you want pull/pull heavey and safely with a little fun on the side it is a good unit.

I am not sure about fastest and don't care, but put it on level 5 and give it a kick I can garantee there won't be any thing growing under your truck tires. If you wanted a rocket you should have bought one.

I have done a ton of research before buying mine. (I do not have alot of money). What I noticed on other forums (sorry DP) and including this forum. You really do not hear anyone complaining or crying about a banks sys.
However You will read alot of the other Mods/programmers that seem to have trouble. I am not knocking or putting down other systems This is just what I read and my conclusion. It is just another opinion. Do not forget to have fun and:grd: .

Hey!

Do not forget to have fun and:grd: .


:ro) AMEN! :ro)

I currently have the Diablo Predator and on the list for the Banks PDA system. I was always researching this site for the Edge J/A v. Banks or other systems. The only complaint about Banks was the $$$. Just go back a page or 2 and there are plenty of gripes about the other (what seems to be) the most popular programmers. Pricing out the Edge J/A against Banks PDA system is a $300 difference. :rolleyes: This doesn't seem to be that pricey that everyone seems to talk about. I'm far from Trump status, but willing to pay for something that will not give me problems. I'd rather pay more up front on the product than having to pay $$$ for shop time later trying to figure out what's wrong!

Lord knows that I literally rely on others in this site for their opinions and knowledge. Based on the fact gathering over the last couple of months, I'd have to lean towards Banks, just on the fact no one really b****es about them until this thread. Like the old saying goes...one bad apple doesn't have to spoil the whole barrel? Or something like that:) .

0-60 and runs right with, give me a break! -:t Quit posting that bull****, get some real dyno numbers and a real ET slip from your truck! Everytime a post mentioning the Banks 6pk surfaces you jump up on your stump and pound your chest while the rest of us sit back, laugh our asses off and say WTF is he talking about? :cookoo:

My 85hp tuner is faster than your 85hp tuner :muahaha:

:stirthepo):h ):h ):h ):h ):h ):h ):h ):h ):h ):h ):h ):h ):h ):h ):h ):h ):h ....Did I mention thats funny right theeeere.

:stirthepo http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42774

Perfect example just from today!


:rant:

Edge related problem post number 21,455.

Compared to stock, Banks works good, adds power.

Compared to about anything else out there, its overpriced and over marketed. Gale Banks is the best marketing guy in the world. Just cant back it up with good product IMO.

You make this a personal attack on Gales Name,does anybody know your name,Your right his name is world known.Talk about poor marketing, another vendor with the thought we don"t offer Banks Products so lets defame it.GBE has standards for their Dealers.You were a twinkle in someones eye when Gale was leaving Blood and skin on his early products.

how does giving an opinion on an overrated product make it a personal attack. almost sounds like you got a thing for gale.

how does giving an opinion on an overrated product make it a personal attack. almost sounds like you got a thing for gale.

WHAT A WASTE OF BANDWITH..Sorry I did not learn my values in your household.

well i have tested everything for the lb7 except the tts extreme, and i know that the lly is different, but the banks six gun is by far the weakest so called 150 hp program out there, it has one of the worst dyno plots ive ever seen you only really gain about 70 peak hp with makes the price compared to hp outrageous, the hot juice, a so called 150 hp box consistently lays down 450 rwhp with a built tranny , i have nothing against the banks system , i never had any problems with it , it is just way overated .

You must of only dynoed the 1st version. Version 1 gained about 76hp and 251tq peak gains. Version 1 with the Speedloader gained 86hp and 266tq peak gains. On the other hand, version 2 runs much stronger than that, with peak to peak right at 150hp and 350tq. I've had both versions, and I'm much happier with the updated Gun.

Why do all you Banks backers get so defensive when some one points out the fact that they are NOT the most more powerful tunes on the market?

My truck's transmission never limped with the 155hp Pup, but I only went WOT a couple of times on this setting due to the sluggish shift that's programmed in. Level 3 (95hp) shifts much nicer. I only got to run the 95hp setting through the 1/4 mile, and it ran a 15.1. Have you guys run the 155hp Pup by itself down the track, and if so, what times did you get? I went to Banks because I liked the idea of switching power levels without reprogramming, and all of the safety features. Version 1 DID dissappoint me, as I could only run a 15.3 on level 6 WITH Speedloader. That made me slower than the 95hp setting on the Bullydog. If Banks wouldn't have come out with Version 2 of the Six-Gun, I would have looked to a different programmer/module. But they did, I got mine reflashed, and have since been very happy with it. Now level 4 runs 14.9. I'm not using levels 5 or 6 that much until the tranny upgrade.

My LLY ran 15.12 on a 50hp TTS Tow tune or 14.49 on the 120hp Predator. Looks like my 50hp tuner would be a good match for your 85hp tuner! :lol:

like i said i donot have anything against banks, for the everyday person that does not compete the banks would be great, but if your looking for hp there are many other options that will produce far greater than the banks, and they do not cost much more.

You make this a personal attack on Gales Name,does anybody know your name,Your right his name is world known.Talk about poor marketing, another vendor with the thought we don"t offer Banks Products so lets defame it.GBE has standards for their Dealers.You were a twinkle in someones eye when Gale was leaving Blood and skin on his early products.

:blahblah: ...

You make this a personal attack on Gales Name,does anybody know your name,Your right his name is world known.Talk about poor marketing, another vendor with the thought we don"t offer Banks Products so lets defame it.GBE has standards for their Dealers.You were a twinkle in someones eye when Gale was leaving Blood and skin on his early products.

Most here do know his name. He is a very knowledgeable vendor.

...and the trucks he wrenches on will run circles around anything banks has available.:exactly:

:blahblah: ...

This is the same attitude you probably treat your customers concerns..:rippedhan

Whatever Banks claims to produce by their own admission, they consider the amount of rubber laid down in a burnout a measure of HP/TQ. They were unable/afraid/CHICKEN to match up with other tunes...Read this thread

Banks gets called out in socal under competition

I was waiting for that to come up.

If I may, I'm going to play devil incarnate here.

Banks has a lot of very good ideas for the Duramax. Bashing them will serve no purpose than to have them chitcan any skunk works products that could have seen the light of day.

Can BANKS make a buttload of power>? Yes. Are we seeing their ultimate in production yet? NO!

Of all the companies out there, BANKS has perhaps the most contacts and $$$$ to get things that kick arse out there.

"The Bridge You Burn" can sometimes be your last crossing.

The fuel engineers at BANKS already have some DMX injection parts that would blow you away. Do you want 800RWHP on fuel only? If one was to call them for help on a race truck they would certainly be a resource to get there with.

Look at the CTD. Haisley, Scheid, Piers Diesel, BD, Buddah, Industrial Injection,F1 Diesel etc. This support did not happen over night. It took time, broken motors, skinned knuckles etc.

More Importantly it took belief that it could happen. And it required support.
Credit where credit is due.

BD Power 1997-1999 500 RWHP out of a CTD was the 'Holy Grail' so to speak. Not many Cummins guys out there with that much power at the time.
Fast Forward to today. We can Achieve 500 RWHP easily through electronics on fuel only... higher when bigger chargers are used. Now we are finding limitations like the early Cummins days. And what are we doing about it? Bashing one of the major players in the market for one product whos marketing was slightly overzealous.

Now we are at the limit and need hard parts. Super Diesel et al are helping to push beyond those limitations, Banks has as well. If we continue to treat them like this they will reciprocate. Who will then take up the Banner? Scheid? Haisley? Piers?
Don't count on it. Those guys are busy modding CTD's and they probably will not help us in the future because they ARE that busy.

Shame on all of us who bash.

All Gale needs is a push in the right direction to get this stuff out there. If the demand is there we will see it.

FWIW.

Well said, Got Juice?. Going back to the original problem. Bryan22, did you find anything out?

very true , banks does have the potential , more so than just about anybody, they just need as JUICE said a reafirmation(is that a word, ) in the right direction, I dont mind them making the SIX-GUN for the every day driver, buuuuuuut dont let that engineering stop there release a race or extream tune with a waiver, stating they are not responsible for any truck , if the program rocked , people would sign thier life away to get it

skunk works is right juice.................something stinks but its not a skunk its the mounds of b u l l s h i t banks has piled around them.............captain kirk to scotty...."we need more power"...but sir the six guns loaded..........and the dilithium crystals are overheated.........da m n i t scotty the kligons just passed us at warp seven with just a juice box...............but sir the advertising said most powerful......):h

:lol2:

:lol: :HiHi: .

I can see the Banks blinders have afflicted a few on this site, even vendors. If they were willing to remove thier heads from his a$$ long enough to take a big wiff of reality, they would all learn something. BANKS IS MARKETING HYPE AT ITS FINEST. Do they make power? YES. Is it the most power available? HELL NO! They market the masses and offer products for 98% of the diesel market. Claiming they offer the most power is just BS. Will I sell a Banks product? Sure. However, I know it will only be a matter of time before they are back in the shop screaming:rippedhan

Like the old saying goes: You can lead a horse to water.........

I agree with Juice to an extent. They do have the resources to get some wild stuff built, but I don't believe the customer will ever see it. I believe they are only going to use their project trucks as advertisement/rep builder so they can sell even more six-gun type tuners to the average joe.
Seems that's what they have done with the Sidewinder Dakota, nothing more than a publicity stunt to sell more product.

The BIG money is not in making specialized parts for the high-horsepower 1/2%ers. The real money is selling thousands upon thousands of six-guns to the average Joe with a diesel truck. This is the market that Banks wants more of and owns.

Contrary to popular beliefe(I run TTS must right :rolleyes: ) I aint blowing sunshine up anybodys skirt becasue I'm afraid they will take thier ball and go home. Dont give a **** how much potential they have. Untill they put something to market instead of all this super secret squirl stuff and hype I aint even going to consider them. Yes they make an alright product and it does its job for its intended market(the masses) I cant get over thier BS and marketing. JMO not a personal jab at you j, different strokes. I understand about not wanting to burn bridges. Not implying your a whore or anything.

Scotty......werent you looking for another program? :D Just busting your chops a bit :)

I pretty much agree whith what everyone is saying about banks, and you have to give it to them, they are smart with their marketing!! To the average joe with a diesel truck that wants more power the first name that comes to mind if Banks! Most people impulse buy on what they hear the most so in a sense banks has done their job! But I don't think we should bash them just because we are smarter than the average joe with a diesel pickup. Banks has the potential to make a programmer that will run circles around all the rest! But he will never market it as long as he is selling the 6 gun as fast as he can make them. Who else makes a complete package you can buy in bulk, slap it on your truck in one fatal sweep, and say you have the fastest diesel around and slap one of those big red BANKS stickers on the side!?!? If there were as many comercials and advertisments for edge and as much backing then I am sure edge would quickly out sell banks and then he would have to market a bigger programmer! :rant:

I've got a sticker on both sides and one on the tailgate, just so people know what to expect.

lol so they know not to get behind you cause they might run in the back of you when you put it to the floor! haha jk jk

Don't get all pissy im just pullin your leg!

Contrary to popular beliefe(I run TTS must right :rolleyes: ) I aint blowing sunshine up anybodys skirt becasue I'm afraid they will take thier ball and go home. Dont give a **** how much potential they have. Untill they put something to market instead of all this super secret squirl stuff and hype I aint even going to consider them. Yes they make an alright product and it does its job for its intended market(the masses) I cant get over thier BS and marketing. JMO not a personal jab at you j, different strokes. I understand about not wanting to burn bridges. Not implying your a whore or anything.

Scotty......werent you looking for another program? :D Just busting your chops a bit :)

I know where you are coming from. And you have a valid point. I was simply illustrating the fact that if we really needed (read were ready to spend to get 800) Banks would be one of my first calls.

From conversations with the engineering staff, to Peter himself, If ya got the dosh, and the cajones, they would definately be willing to step up.

lol so they know not to get behind you cause they might run in the back of you when you put it to the floor! haha jk jk

Don't get all pissy im just pullin your leg!

I was just throwing that out there to get some response as to the one you posted. You gotta have a little fun.

Scotty,

I'll be looking for your stickers. When you see my tail gate, it won't have any though.

their stickers make more power than their tuner does):h

:funnypost :lol:

As an "average joe" I would like to comment on this thread. I bought my diesel a little over a year ago, drove it for about 10 thousand miles and decided I wanted a tuner. While researching these tuners on here and various other websites I felt the Banks package was the best option for me. I decided on the Banks partly because of their name, and partly because of the people on this site, I have read a great deal on putting your truck in "Limp Mode" with other systems. If I remember right I read very few, if any posts on limping the truck with a banks. This might be due because the other systems make more power but at the cost of messing up a tranny or who knows, I dont know. I do however believe that banks makes a tuner that delivers great power while maintaining the integrity of every other part on the truck. The average joe wants to put a tuner on and not mess with anything else such as a transmission or tie rod sleeves.


I dont get people bashing banks and the product they produce, they're a business, and a good business is there to make money and deliver a good product.Money is made by selling a quality product to the mass public. I have had 20 thousand trouble free miles on my diesel with a banks 6 gun, and it performs better than I ever anticipated.

The original reason most people got on the anti-Banks bandwagon was their 1st version of the Six-Gun. Banks advertised it as +155hp +385tq best gains with Speedloader. Some people got their Six-Gun, strapped it to the dyno, and uncovered that the peak to peak gains were +86hp +266tq. Peak to peak and best gains are two different things. This is where the snowball got rolling. Fast forward to version 2, released mid July of 2004. This version does produce the mentioned advertised hp/tq gains based on peak to peak. But the snowball is still rolling....

As an "average joe" I would like to comment on this thread. I bought my diesel a little over a year ago, drove it for about 10 thousand miles and decided I wanted a tuner. While researching these tuners on here and various other websites I felt the Banks package was the best option for me. I decided on the Banks partly because of their name, and partly because of the people on this site, I have read a great deal on putting your truck in "Limp Mode" with other systems. If I remember right I read very few, if any posts on limping the truck with a banks. This might be due because the other systems make more power but at the cost of messing up a tranny or who knows, I dont know. I do however believe that banks makes a tuner that delivers great power while maintaining the integrity of every other part on the truck. The average joe wants to put a tuner on and not mess with anything else such as a transmission or tie rod sleeves.


I dont get people bashing banks and the product they produce, they're a business, and a good business is there to make money and deliver a good product.Money is made by selling a quality product to the mass public. I have had 20 thousand trouble free miles on my diesel with a banks 6 gun, and it performs better than I ever anticipated.


Well... as another "average joe" who does NOT yet own a tuner/programmer, let me respond briefly. The main problem people here are having is that apparently Banks is using marketing which leaves purchasers with the impression that they are buying one of the most POWERFUL tuners on the market. For those who know better, that is just a JOKE. If Banks marketing focussed on RELIABILTY rather than POWER, no one here would be fussing, because they do seem to be very reliable and trouble free.

The tunes produced by TTS are just as reliable, and Banks has nothing anywhere near the TTS Xtreme tune (probably nothing that compares with the TTS Race tune either). Being an "average joe" I will probably get the TTS "tow tune" when the PowerLoader 3 comes out, as I'm just looking for some more towing power.

In a previous post someone mentioned funding Gale Banks, thus encouraging further research/development. Well, even from that aspect... I'd rather fund TTS...

Am I missing something here, I dont see anything but a Tow program for the LLY from TTS. So how are we comparing Banks to TTS for the LLY? As far as Banks being over priced, good engineering costs money (my reason for this belief is stated below) Also for an average Joe who wants to have some worry free fun, the fact that a program strongly suggests any part of the truck to be upgraded, or that it may damage another part of the vehicle simply means this program is not worry free. Also, if you read the 6 gun advertisement it lists quite a bit about safety features, which would lead me to believe that a great deal of time and money was spent on the engineering of this product so that it operates at an optimal level, reaching the maximum performance a truck with no mechanical upgrades should safely reach. Just a few friendly observations of mine

Right on the money, Big GMC. I take it you don't have the Speedloader upgrade by your signature?

Oh yeah, their biggest claim is transmission protection. What a joke! I had Mike tear into my tranny latter part of May and he found the c3's and c4's in bad shape.:rolleyes: But wait, wasn't the 6gun suppose to protect my tranny? I had the 6gun in the truck for 4 months and approximately 9k miles driving in level 6 most of the time. If I would have known what I do now back then, I would have definitely chosen a different route.

This isn't really related to the six gun, but I do want to say that I am very impressed with what Gale Bank's has done for the cause of all of us Diesel fanatics. He has been involved with Wyotech trying to get more young people interested in the art of being a mechanic, he has constantly voiced his opinion about diesels being the engine of the future instead of the past and he has spoken up on the important cause of Biodiesel. We need more people to stand up and say these things.

:rant:
How come environmentalists only want to talk about gas/electric hybrids, there are small conventional diesels in Europe that can double their actual mileage. How come more people don't speak up about the benefits of biodiesel, America is blessed with huge amounts af arable land, we have the option of growing the diesel we burn, this would revitalize some of the distressed farm communities in our own country, slash the trade defecit, and gain us energy independence.
:rant:

We need more people to come out and speak about these issues, as long as Banks does he is O.K. in my book. I am not trying to say that he is the only one doing this, nor is he the only one that feels this way, there are a lot of others, they could all use our support.

You drove 9K miles on Level 6????:eek:

Sorry I need to fix my sig, yes I do have a speed loader

If the box does everything it says it does than that shouldn't have been a problem!

If the box does everything it says it does than that shouldn't have been a problem!

:exactly: my point!

:thankyou2

Scotty-

How many miles do you have on your 35th SS camaro? I had one I bought new in 02, loved the car, sweet looking and wicked fast. I sold mine (do to tight money) but wish I still had it.

:offtopic: use pm

You drove 9K miles on Level 6????:eek:

That's what it's designed for, right? I need to also add I only limped the tranny once in those approximately 9k miles.

The box does do everything it says it does, if you read your manual about the 6 gun it states to not run it on level 6 for long periods of time. I dont have the manual in front of me, so I can't quote it, but I do remember reading to not run it on 6 for a long period of time. I wouldnt even think about running any tuner that is "adjustable" on the max setting all the time. If it were meant to do that then you would have no need for a knob to select levels.

The knob is to adjust for when you are pulling or the different driving situations, if you not pulling or in the mountains than there should be no prob leaving it in level 6. If it states it protects the tranny and all that other good stuff than it should do it on all levels at all times. If not then it should state that it protects the tranny only in levels 1-5 and only when it feels like it! lol

If not then it should state that it protects the tranny only in levels 1-5 and only when it feels like it! lol


It does however state to not run it on level 6 for long periods of time. I believe the 6 gun is designed to protect against trans slippage 3 % or greater. If this is true and one would be slipping the trans at say 2 or 2.5% constantly then your trans is going to wear out. Common sense to me.

ok I see your point, and true I might not run it on level 6 all the time either but...... What makes the al' mighty banks any better than anyone else from a saftey stand point if it is going to still burn your tranny up evintually? Im not trying to rag on Banks, I like the man as a person, but just don't care for his products!! I am just trying to help break this down for everyone to take advantage from. So far I have seen no evidence that makes the 6 gun a better programmer! A good argument is that it was "safer" but what I am seeing is that it isn't safer! So you are getting less power at the same risk, for more money!?!?

I got a truck that will walk away or run circle (whichever you prefer) around yours with the al mighty Banks.

Oh yeh and I dont have to worry about my tranny.:eek:

I got a truck that will walk away or run circle (whichever you prefer) around yours with the al mighty Banks.

Oh yeh and I dont have to worry about my tranny.:eek:

:rolleyes: I dont ever recall stating that my truck was the fastest, or that it could beat any other truck for that matter. All that I ever said was that I was happy with the way my truck ran with the banks on it. If I wanted a race truck I would probally just play the right bower and copy what ever was done to "Casper".

Big GMC,
I've got 3500 on the Camaro and 2200 on the TA.
The Six-Gun's back down feature for tranny slip is more or less designed for pulling. When you slowly get past the 3% threshold, the module has enough time to interfere and back down power. The Allison is designed to go into limp mode at 5%. When you run it in level 6 WOT, it passes 3% too quickly and by the time the Six-Gun detects it, the Allison has reached 5%. The same can be said about the EDGE. 'Nuff said.

Thank you for the clarification

Scotty,
Glad to hear you plan on doing the trans and trying the Extreme, guess I'll have to stop busting on you, but hey it was just in fun. Let us know how your clutches look when you get inside and it would be cool if you could do some before and after(trans upgrade) numbers with the Banks setup.


Am I missing something here, I dont see anything but a Tow program for the LLY from TTS. So how are we comparing Banks to TTS for the LLY? As far as Banks being over priced, good engineering costs money (my reason for this belief is stated below) Also for an average Joe who wants to have some worry free fun, the fact that a program strongly suggests any part of the truck to be upgraded, or that it may damage another part of the vehicle simply means this program is not worry free. Also, if you read the 6 gun advertisement it lists quite a bit about safety features, which would lead me to believe that a great deal of time and money was spent on the engineering of this product so that it operates at an optimal level, reaching the maximum performance a truck with no mechanical upgrades should safely reach. Just a few friendly observations of mine

Yet another Banks proponent on the defensive! Yes, you are missing something, Banks is not the most powerful module and optimal, yeah right, why can't you use level 6 for extended periods? Scotty listed an LB7 in his sig and asked what it would take to run the exterme, I compared my LLY w/TTS tow tune to Scotty's LB7 with Banks on level 4 because that appears to be a close comparison, 14.9 vs 15.1, or 50hp TTS vs 85hp Banks. Bottom line is if you plan on running over 700rwtq the Allison HAS to be upgraded, doesn't matter what module or program you choose to run. I'm glad you like the Banks 6 gun but if you can't run level 6 then why pay extra for the speed loader? I always run my stuff on kill, why, because I can and it's fun to show guy's like you my tailgate. :lol:


Scotty, Let us know how it works out for you

RaceHemi,
After the tranny is done, I'll run the Six-Gun on ALL of the levels to see what 1/4 mile times/speeds I come up with for each level, and I'll post them in the LB7 Electronics. I did this with version 1, also.

Hey!

You folks are funny:muahaha: the poor fellow that started this thread is more than likely confused to death. Did he ever get to a conclusion :rolleyes:?

I have just read through all the post and I am amazed at how much help the poor guy did not recieve between the ranting, hairpulling kicking and scratching:confused: .

So when it all comes down to it I guess it would be easier to select a Supreme Court Justice even if your an Idiot. OOPS! sorry for the name calling. Again this is just my OPINION.

I do hope this guy did get the answer he asked for because this all has been quite entertaining. Do not forget to have fun and :grd: !

I hope to get some pics of my rig as soon as I figure out how!

:rolleyes: I dont ever recall stating that my truck was the fastest, or that it could beat any other truck for that matter. All that I ever said was that I was happy with the way my truck ran with the banks on it. If I wanted a race truck I would probally just play the right bower and copy what ever was done to "Casper".


:) Hey hey I was just messing with ya. All in fun.

:) Hey hey I was just messing with ya. All in fun.

:cool2: I can appreciate that

bryan22,
It would be interesting to see what you found out. Did you find a problem, or is it working and you aren't satisfied with the power?