Dropped by my local Kragen auto parts store this weekend and lo and behold I spotted a new Mobil1 oil on the shelf. It's labeled Truk/SUV and is 5W-40 CI-4 oil. Looks like they just rebadged Delvac 1 for the regular market. Price was 4.99 a quart. I have difficulty finding it here in Southern California so this was a nice surprise.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

Yeah and that 5wt oil will drop hot idle pressure to 16lbs.

Especially if you use defective oil filters http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ouch.gif

If it don't say Delvac 1, I would not use it! IMHO


Delvac is formulated for the diesel engines!

But CI-4 is the rating required to be a top rated Diesel oil. To me it sounds fine.


Jim

BigDaddyG,

Thanks for the info!! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif It's also on the Mobil1.com website

Check it out:

<a href="http://www.exxonmobil.com/Corporate/Newsroom/Newsreleases/xom_nr_041103_3.asp" target="_blank">ExxonMobil Introduces New Mobil 1 Truck & SUV Formula for Light Trucks and Sport
Utility Vehicles</a> Edited by: jbplock

Now to find out the difference between Delvac 1 and this new oil, it would be great if they are very similar!!

at $5 a quart it is cheaper than Delvac 1. With the CI-4 rating, there should be no reason not to use it......but a saying "you get what you pay for" comes to mind.


More details would be nice.

Isn't DELVAC 1 a Mobil oil product ? could it be that instead of calling it DELVAC SYNTHETIC they rebadged it to MOBIL 1 truck/suv to sell in places like Wal-Mart and such? just my .02 cents worth. just cause you dont spend 90 bucks on 3 gal does not mean its a inferior type of oil. I have used mobil one in all my vehicles since I can remember. and I always thought that it was outragesly priced then. IMHO, AkDually61

Well I found a pic that someone took of the back of a bottle, still have another 3k left for my oil change, so I have a bit of time to see how this compares, maybe George has some info on this, being as that he is a mobil distributor.
Here is a link to the picture as the picture file size is too large to upload. http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=005265


Also, this comes out only $.25 cheaper a qt compared to AVLube before shipping, so unless it is something other than rebadged Mobil Delvac 1, this would be a great way to get it locally.

Mobil Delvac-1 is formulated for extended drains and is intended for heavy duty applications. Just a guess but the new Truck/SUV Mobil-1 may not have the same extended drain additive pack.

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I am not aware of Truck/SUV with diesel engines. If it was intended to be safe for diesel engines it would say "OK for Diesel Engines" right there in a big bubble cartoon type highlighted text. The C-4 is not enough, needs to say Ok for diesel engines somewhere.


"Not gonna do it, wouldn't be prudent"!!!


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OK checked out the bottle and now see it does say for diesel engines.


So guess I will wait for definitive word from GeorgeEdited by: Chevysrus

Chevy it says diesels on the bottle and carries a CI-4 rating. All the diesel oils i've seen are also rated SL for gas engines. I don't think Mobil would make a whole new oil for the consumer market. I'll bet lunch with someone at the So. Cal. meet coming up that this is rebadged Delvac 1. Is it cheaper? not by much. Is Mobil's sales volume going to increase? Heck yeah. They also needed to price it along the same lines as the other Mobil 1 products in order to sell the stuff. Otherwise all the SUV owners would just stick with regular M-1. I grabbed some up and am going to run it next change.

Dittos ...
As long as it's rated CI-4 and has the API logo it meets the requirements for the Dmax. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif

Does it carry CF-4?

CI-4 does not replace CF-4 and CF-4 may well be more important ...

You know that new oil feeling you get after an oil change? After tryin several oils Mobil delvac 1300 15-40 has given me that feeling the longest. It is not synthetic but at 6.99 a gallon I think it is a great bargain. just my .02 .

Yes ZFMax it is CF.

CF? or CF-4? Big difference.

Does it carry CF-4?

CI-4 does not replace CF-4 and CF-4 may well be more important ...


Little more info ZF are you talking about ash content ,blowby, position of rings on piston etc.Some now say the new oils don't backtrac? or for example if spec cf-4 than ci-4 might not be a good replacement.Just wondering if that is what you were talking about.

I just read through the posts in the the oildrop forum link posted above (which also contains a nice picture of the new M1 bottle/label) and one poster said he called Mobil and they confirmed that the new Truck/SUV M1 IS re-badged Delvac-1... If true.. THIS IS AWESOME!! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif


Looks like I may be running this new Truck/SUV M1 in ALL my vehicles both gas and diesel ... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif


Also... I didn't find a listing for the new Truck/SUV M1 in the API license directory (http://eolcs.api.org/) ... probably just because it's new..


It's also interesting to see who else sells relabeled Mobil products...


Click HERE (http://eolcs.api.org/DisplayBrandNames.asp) to display a list of Brand Names belonging to Engine Oil Licensees. .... page down to ExxonMobil

Nobull ... the different standards are for different things and while a new standard may obsolete one or more existing standards, it doesn't obsolete all of them. CF-4 is still a current standard.

From Mobil's web site:

CI-4 has been developed to establish a standard for oils that are intended for EGR equipped engines as well as satisfying the needs of engines requiring CH_4, CG-4, CF engine oils. This new CI-4 engine oil category establishes the highest level of oxidation resistance, total base number (TBN) retention and soot dispersancy ever set for an API category.

CH-4 has been developed to address engine design changes required to meet new 1998 EPA emission standards. The performance requirements include handling even higher soot loading than CG-4 rated oils and passing a series of new engine test protocols.

CG-4 was developed for oils used in 1994 and later low-emission, high-speed, four-stroke cycle diesel engines. It is also typically used for diesel engines using low sulfur diesel fuel. Newer engines that are used for on-highway or off-highway applications may call for CG-4 quality oils. One of the main advances in CG-4 verses previous quality levels is the ability of the oil to handle high levels of soot that is generated by some of these low emission engines.

CF-4 was established in 1991 to specify oil quality for severe duty, low emission, four-stroke diesel engines produced in 1991 or later. Oils meeting this category offered improved control of oil consumption and piston deposits verses previous quality levels. CF-4 has essentially replaced the CE quality rating.

CF-2 was established at the same time to specify oil quality for severe-duty, two-stroke diesel engines. CF-2 has essentially replaced CD II.

CF was established for service typical of off-road, heavy-duty diesel engines and engines operating on higher sulfur fuels. The CF quality level essentially replaced the CD level.

CE was established in 1988 to specify oils for severe duty diesel engines with turbochargers. This rating is essentially obsolete and oils meeting CF-4 are now used in applications calling for CE oils.

Maybe I'm missing something here.......... The original post said the oil was 5W-40 The Dmax requires 15W-40 oil. Maybe the 5W-40 would be good for those of you way up north where it's always winter, But here in Dallas, TX I'm not going to be running 5W-40 in my DMAX even during our coldest winter days. Just my .02 worth.


Now if this new SUV oil is offered in a 15W-40 then that's another story. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

Well the 5W-40 is listed as approved for the Dmax, but in cold climate situations.


I've never been a fan of 5W-anything for this area due to low oil pressures in the summer months. I much prefer a 10W-30 or a 15W-40. According the the diesel supplement that came with my truck, 10W-40 is not approved. Not sure exactly why, but GM's had it in for 10W-40 for quite awhile, going clear back to my '91 7.4 gasser when GM issued a SB threatening to cancel the warranty of any vehicle found with that oil in it, regardless of the API rating.

IMHO, 5w40 synthetics formulated from Group IV (full synthetic) base stocks like Delvac-1 offer superior performance in BOTH hot and cold temperatures. They flow better at low temp and maintain better lubrication properties at high temps. Also, its my inderstanding that the "5" in the 5W40 rating is an indcation of the oils cold temp viscosity while the "40" is the oils viscosity rating when at operating temps. So, a 15W40 and a 5W40 have the same relative viscosity when hot.


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I dunno which oil school you have attended I went to "Plain and Simple " graduated in common sense .... So 5 W is the cold rating ... The thinner the oil viscosity with the tighter tolerances in today's engine for longevity and wear the better for start up where most wear occurs ...


Hence the oil manufactures now have ratings as low as "ZERO"W whatever ....


Auto manufactures them selves recommend 5w 30 in most applications ....


With the 5w 40 rating HOT your getting the same protection as any 40 weight oil .... The viscosity increases as it gets hotter ...


I'm running Mobil 5w 40 all season in New England have seen NO difference in oil pressure HOT then with the other synthetic I was using ....


School is out ....





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I dunno which oil school you have attended I went to "Plain and Simple " graduated in common sense .... So 5 W is the cold rating ... The thinner the oil viscosity with the tighter tolerances in today's engine for longevity and wear the better for start up where most wear occurs ...


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With the 5w 40 rating HOT your getting the same protection as any 40 weight oil .... The viscosity increases as it gets hotter ...


School is out ....


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On edit ;Sorry jbplock ,what he said ,first ....





Maybe school should be back in?


The debate surrounding multi-vis oils has been around as long as they have. A lot of that due to the failure of the early dino oils to live up to the theory and the advertising claims of the manufacturers.


The introduction of the synthetics changed the ground rules and some who've heard all the horror stories from the past continue to repeat them as gospel.


The viscosity of the multi-vis oils does not "increase" as it gets hotter. That's why there is no "W" behind that number. The idea is that the multi-vis oils perform as the heavier weight oil would with regard to the ability to continue providing lubrication and resistance to breaking down at operating temperatures.


Now if we want to invoke "common sense", that would would tell us using an oil with a smaller range, not a larger one, would provide the best performance in a given temperature environment.


That's what the Diesel Supplement for my truck says. After stipulating that CI-4 or CH-4 API rated oils be used, it goes on to say "SAE 15W-40 is best for your vehicle. However you can use SAE 10W-30 at temperatures above 0 degrees F (-18C). When it is very cold, below 0 degrees F (-18C), you should use SAE 5W-40 to improve cold starting......Do not use other viscosity oils such as SAE 10W-40 or SAE 20W-50."


It goes on to say in bold cap type, above a chart on the next page, where it shows temperature ranges and the oil viscosities for those temps "SELECT THE SAE GRADE OIL BASED ON THE EXPECTED TEMPERATURE RANGE BEFORE THE NEXT OIL CHANGE" So yeah, you can run the 5W-40 and not void your warranty as long as it's CI-4 or CH-4, but it's not recommended unless it's cold....


Okay, I'm done with this one. I'm sure that will meet with the approval of most.......http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

I guess increase is a wrong term should have said Protection OF a 40 weight oil ....


Are you implying that 40 weight protection in a conventional 15 w (winter) 40 is superior then a 5w 40 ??


Just trying to understand the logic behind not running a 5 w weight protection year round for ease of flow and protection on cold start up ...Where is the wrong besides what the "book" tells you ??


I only listened to part of what my mother always told me to do,GM in this case ...


Keep in mind first they told me no additive now thet say additive "OK"... Maybe they'll change their stance on recomended oil viscosity too .... They change like the weather here in New England ...Don't like the weather? Wait a minute it will change ....


I guess next up will be synthetic verses dino ....





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Just trying to understand the logic behind not running a 5 w weight protection year round for ease of flow and protection on cold start up ...Where is the wrong besides what the "book" tells you ??


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I guess next up will be synthetic verses dino ....





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My aversion to using an oil with a greater range comes mostly from 12 years of NHRA drag racing, and twenty plus years of working on small aircraft.


Most of that exposure, especially with building the racing engines, was with the partial synthetics. Rebuilding small aircraft piston engines that have run various types of oils and noting the wear/damage to components, has colored my opinion as to what works and what doesn't.


Basically, that experience tells me you shouldn't run a lower viscosity oil than is absolutely necessary for cold weather starts, since even if both 5W-40 and 15W-40 have the same top number performance rating, my experience suggests that a 15W oil provides better protection to critical components of the engine at normal operating temperatures than does a 5W oil.


As to dino versus synthetic? I've not run anything but synthetics for quite a few years now. The only caveat about that is the suggestion that they may be too "slick" for the piston rings to seat properly, so I use dino oil for break in purposes. I've no experience with the diesel engines on this, but it's true with the gassers. If you change to synthetics too early on your freshly overhauled piston aircraft engine, you'll be doing an early top overhaul to stop the excessive oil consumption.


YMMV......http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Smile.gif

Some one better hurry upand write to Mercedes, Porsche etc and tell them to IMMMEDIATELY stop putting in Mobil 1 from the factory instead of dino http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wacko.gif

Some one better hurry upand write to Mercedes, Porsche etc and tell them to IMMMEDIATELY stop putting in Mobil 1 from the factory instead of dino http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wacko.gif


You're probably one of those guys who think the "break in process" is an old wives tale too?.....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif


As I said above; YMMV.....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif No that would be the engineers at Porsche etc. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif Their are those few who have some bizare idea that synthetic oils do not allow any friction or wear in a engine. Wouldn't that be nice. No engine wear....ever. Not very realistic is it. The break in process might be longer but it is a moot point. Why would a extended break in process damage the Valve train ? Stop sniffen the voodoo oil http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

I'll take your suggestion under advisement....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif


I believe your sig would be more appropriately;


Laissez le bon roulement de périodes !


But that's probably just the voodoo oil talking.......http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

ROTFLMAO http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif Voodo lounge here I come http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

I was going to leave the synthetic debate alone .....


But Zeeb should practice what he preaches for a better word,as he wrote;

&lt;snip&gt; horror stories from the past continue to repeat them as gospel.



Better tell GM to stop loading the Vettes and Saabs with Mobil 1 synthetic too for two more examples ....

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I don't buy into the 5 w vs 15 w argument, I'am hanging in with George Morrison and Mobil Delvac 1 5W-40. Nothing out there any better as far as I am concerned.


The 40 is 40 period, when it's warmed up you can forget the 5W and the 15W part. When it's cold with 80 lbs oil pressure I want my oil on blood pressure medicine and that's the 5W.


It's only a few minutes til it's warmed up and every study I have ever seen for gassers, lawnmowers, race engines, aircraft engines, boat engines anything with a crank and pistons says the first few minutes on start up produces more wear on an engine than any number of highway miles. Probably an exaggeration, but I do believe cold starts cause more wear and the 5W will help that process by getting in there between the bearings and all moving parts faster (miliseconds?) than the 15W. If we can't agree on that then there is an empass and nothing is going to change anyone's mind.


Maybe someone needs to make a 5W-15W-40W that way we can all have the best viscosity oil thought the warm up process....LOL

I think I read somewhere (Popular Mechanics?) that modern manufacturing (especially with the high end performance vehicles) is so precise and accurate that the old fashioned concept of break in with dino oils just doesn't apply. BUT, with private rebuilding, break in IS a real issue and dino oils are recommended.


Of course, everybody KNOWS the RIGHT answer. I.E. based on their experience, or they knew a guy that .... , or "I read somewhere".(who? me?)


SO, nobody is going to change their mind based on what we profess in this forum or elsewhere. Save the effort and do whatever floats your boat.


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Jim

One could always do what is done to big diesels, add a Aux oil pump that runs prior to engine start.


Wouldn't be too hard to do, just tap in like the remote oil filters do and put a 12 volt DC oil pump in. Flip a switch, wait for oil pressure to build up to 60 pounds and let her rip.


As far as oil viscosity goes, I think that a talk with George M. will alliviate any fears. Single vis oils are good for a very small ambient and engine operating temp range. If you can control those parameters then single vis is the way to go. However, most of us do not have that ability and must run Multi vis oils.


Running a multi-vis oil like 15W-40 in low temps will only cause higher than normal operating pressures when engine is cold. As the engine clearances get bigger over time, this will result in more blow by.


That was a way simplistic answer to a complex question. There are many varibles to consider like, ambient temp, engine temp, engine load, load application rate, and cooling ability that then engine has to operate in.


Operating a 5W-40 synth oil will probably have no more wear concerns over a 15W-40 dino oil in general light truck service.


Here is an example for you to ponder. I work at a Nuclear Power Station that uses GM EMD Emergency Diesel Generators, (645 Series, 20 cyl. for you soot heads). These bad boys have to be able to go from a dead stop to full generator load in less than 10 seconds. That means the engine has to start, come up to speed pick up the electrical busses, and stabilize electrical voltage, current, and frequency, and carry 2800 KW, all in less than 10 seconds, then it has to do that basically for ever.


If you want to compare what you would have to do to your Duramax to equal that, start on flat ground with 22,000 lbs total weight, Make sure the engine is off. Now, Start the truck, put it in drive, bring the engine up to 3250 RPM's and accelerate to 100 MPH in less than 10 seconds and stay there until you run out of fuel.


We ensure that the engine will tolarate that by keeping the ambient temp at about 80 deg F, running a turbocharger soak-back pump, (Aux oil Pump for the turbo), an AC and DC engine Aux oil pump, and oil heaters that maintain the oil at 110 deg F min. Then there are the engine drive oil pumps, cooling pumps, engine room ventilation, etc... you get the point.


These engines have only had to do their job twice that I know of. And both times they have run for less than 250 hours loaded. Neither time was at full load and only one of the two times was the engines loaded in less than 10 seconds. Yep, we baby them.


The point I was trying to make here is that if you want the equivilant mission capability. you'l going to spend some money of pre-oiling.


By the way, we also have a Cummins Diesel Fire Pump that basically has to work under the same time frame and we run Delvac 15W-40 or Delo 400 in that. We could run synth but our stuff just doesn't see the servere service that warrents the price of synth. No pre-oil on the Cummins, it just sits in a toasty room waiting to start..We are going to replace the Cummins because it is 32 years old and we can't get some parts any more. The Cummins rep says we wore it out testing it. Edited by: DavesDmax

Geez guys,


Who would have thought having rebadged Delvac-1 available almost everywhere at a good price would cause such a comotion!!!!!!!! I run Synth. all year here in sunny Orange County Ca. and have noticed no drop in pressure. I will go with the synth. since I am usually towing my 5th wheel when I use the truck and am willing to pay for the extra protection I think it affords. I also think it's much better for the turbo, again just my opinion. Went to grab some Mobil-1 ATF (swapping it into my Ali. and trans. case) today and saw STP filters for the D-MAX at Auto-Zone. Everyday price was 3.99 and they are made by Champion. Didn't need any right now but know where my next filters are coming from!Edited by: BigdaddyG

Zeeb should read Mobil's myths about synthetics page (http://www.mobil1.com/why/myths.jsp)

Synthetic is not "more slippery" than dino oils of the same viscosity, this is a common misperception.

I went to the horses mouth MOBIL, and told the service guy that it was hard finding delvac 1 and he said just use SUV, it's the same thing. Good enough for me.

anyone ever run crisco throgh their engine ? Wow, what a difference it makes...not...I'm with George and quite a few others on the 5w40 stuff. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif

I fiound mobil Truck/SUV 5W40 at my local walley world. $4.77 a qt. I also found the equivalent to the old fram oil filter ph373 = acdelco PF932. this filter holds 2qts of oil. my pressures run around the 75 lb mark going down the road and 40 to 50 lbs at idle, no matter what type oil I run, i.e. synth or the Delo400. any opinions out there ? I am looking at going to the T/S from mobil and putting my Amsoil dual filter set up back on with lube specialties mount sys so I get rid of the whine from the eng and the little woman. Does anyone know the thread sizes on the amsoil mount for those filters? Edited by: AkDually61

A fellow posted some UOA's over at the http://www.bobistheoilguy.com, with Delvac 1300 and Delvac 1 in a Mercedes diesel. Not much difference at all. In fact the Delvac 1300 looked a wee bit better than the Delvac 1. I'll stick with the Delvac 1300 for $5.88 a gallon. Can't find the Delvac 1 or Truck/SUV anywhere in the Gainesville area anyhow.

I saw those numbers too but I have to wonder how many hours per change the Mercedes spends in 4wd, up to his axles in snow and mud then pulling 8,000 # down the freeway. Delvac 1 from George is only a few bucks more with freight and you get the extended drain package. That's what I'm sticking with but IF I was going to use dino it would be Delvac 1300.

they are the same oil. it has been repackaged for open market selling. this is good news for all of use so spread the news. and no, i dont think everyone is going to take my word for it so here are the two links to mobil so everyone can prove it to themselves. compare the product properties at the bottom of each page. they ARE the same oil. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif i hope all of you have fun changing your oil to 5w40 truck and suv. i can start saving some money now.


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Who is carring it and how much per gallon ?

i have heard you can get it at kmart and wally world. when i'm out and about i will check target and some auto shops.

I have found it for $4.99 at my local Checker Auto Parts. Have not seen it at Autozone or Pep Boys yet here in my area.


Bob

Wally world here doesn't have the mobil suv/truck oil yet. But they do sell Shell Rotella Fully Synthetic 5W-40 for $12.84 per gallon. Anyone heard anything about this oil? Seems like a good price for full Syn!

Wally world here doesn't have the mobil suv/truck oil yet.* But they do sell Shell Rotella Fully Synthetic 5W-40 for $12.84 per gallon.* Anyone heard anything about this oil?* Seems like a good price for full Syn!

Rotella 5w-40 is a good oil. However it is formulated from Group III base stocks which is highly refined (hydrocracked) Dino oil - not a "true" synthetic..

Mobil-1 Truck & SUV (DELVAC-1) is made from Group IV PAO base stocks which is a "true" synthetic. Also why is costs more.

See the following topic for more info... Rotella Synthetic on Sale (http://dieselplace.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7925&KW=jbplock)

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You are 100% right Bill. I have been using it for over 20K. I would not be so bold to say one is better than another. I have always run the major brands and they all worked fine. For the last 15 years they have all been synthetics. It has always made me feel better knowing my oil has a low pour point and a higher flash point. Later! Frank