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Refinement - Power - Simplicity - Reliability - Longevity ......'nuf said?


Fellow with a Powerstroke stopped behind me at the Flying J on I 75 in Georgia last night. He walked up and said, "Man I would sure love to have one of these trucks".


Duramax guy across the pumps asked..."Why not one of these"?


I never said a word (unusual). Ford guy did it for me.

Noisy - Casting #53 - Death Wobble - Killer Dowel Pin - Wonder bread tested......'nuf said?


I wonder when Captain will stop comparing his OLD 01 Duramax to the current model 04 German Dodge ??


Why don't we compare apples to oranges with Melvin ??





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Glad to see engines are moving in the right direction. Clean and quite. Before long we will all have spaceships. To bad that this is not the engine in your truck. And before you get carried away with the simple/reliable part, did you notice the injectors are buried in the head and there are 43 "new " engine componets. Lets get some miles under our belt before we MOS's.

I have an interesting question guys. Why do you come on a Dodge Cummins Forum and bad-mouth the Cummins?


Seems most, myself included, DO NOT go to the Duramax forum and do that. Guess you have no 'class'.


My thoughts are you should keep this kind of stuff in the WAR ROOM where it belongs.


Smile, someone loves you.

Thanks, lots of people love me. I remeber giving you a link to a Dodge sight not to long ago. I would have never chimed in if it was not for the comment about the Ford guy doing your dirty work for you. In all reality we all have trucks that are almost identical in features and performance. There are a few small trade offs here and there. After I bought my Dmax I just knew it was a good truck and stopped doing the whole comparison thing. Too bad you don't have the same feeling.

"Why don't we compare apples to oranges with Melvin " I do believe all he has ever compared is two trucks with diesel engines. Sounds like apples to apples to me. I also had an 02 D/A and I can only say that I agree with everything that Mal has ever said about the two. There are advantages and disadvantages to both. Lets just say I don't miss my old truck. And unlike Mal, I never had any major problems--so if there is a little ax grinding on his part I could understand it. I have none. The Americans/Germans and Mexicans built a winner.

Mal





Dont get all poor me cause I got ya ...


You have been bragging up a storm since you got the new beast,even on the Duramax forums along with jumping in when the oportunity prevailed to pick on the fall shorts on the Duramax in the Duramax forums ....


No ??


.....How (file://\\How) long did you think I'd sit quiet ...


I think a fairer observation should be a 04 LLY handshacker verses your 04 Cummins ... Cummins over came many BUGS when they were introduced in the Dodge pick up over the years ..





How old is the Duramax ??


I post on the TDR too same screen name I jump in when they get to proud and look to bash the max ... The GM diesel has no forum there ,just general diesel ..





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif

"Why don't we compare apples to oranges with Melvin " I do believe all he has ever compared is two trucks with diesel engines. Sounds like apples to apples to me. I also had an 02 D/A and I can only say that I agree with everything that Mal has ever said about the two. There are advantages and disadvantages to both. Lets just say I don't miss my old truck. And unlike Mal, I never had any major problems--so if there is a little ax grinding on his part I could understand it. I have none. The Americans/Germans and Mexicans built a winner.





Burn'se





How long was the Cummins been stuffed into the Dodge ?? Do I need to list ALL the problems ??


Why did they go common rail in the US ?? Would you have purchased a earlier Cummins ??





They have refined the beast from Frito Lay to Consumer ...


Nuff Said ....





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Congratulations to Cummins for now leading the power wars, and with lower emmissions. Those 15 horses and 10 lbs/ft of torque give them current bragging rights over the LLY, 'course the wimpiest chip will erase that, but then we're into "chip wars" and those'll never end.

BUT, as long as Cummins is using the Bosch high pressure common rail fuel injection system Dodge owners ought not get too smug until time has assured them that Daimler - Chrysler has solved the dirty fuel riddle. If they haven't, then Cummins may have widened one gap only to narrow another. Power alone is not the ultimate goal. It's power over time that will win the war.

TC

In my daily 100 mile commute across the greater Los Angeles basin, I have really begun to notice all the new 3rd Gen Dodges. I think Dodge has a winner here. Most are 1500 series. There are very few Cummins in the newer 3rd Gen body style (because up to this point they have only offered a 235hp version). I expect to be seeing a whole lot more Cummins now that they are offering the Newer "600" series engine in California.

Dang Cap'n Mal they sure did beat you uphttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif.http://www.mtdemocrat.com/articles/2004/01/15/road_beat/x1501_a.txt Here's another article with some 0-60 times,8.0 ain't too shabby for a 3/4 ton truckhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif.Also read where Cummins tested some engines at full throttle for 22,000 hours.That's equivelent to 3.8 million miles.I think if there was a problem it may of showed up then.Also these HPCR Cummins have been in use in Europe for several years without much of a hitch.Hey Mackin' I have the "53" block and have had it cranked to 400+ hp for a couple of years.Guess what no problemo.I've never had "death wobble".KDP is mainly on 12 valves and is not that common.I would like to see how the LLY does also.It will probably be better but I doubt it will take the ALMIGHTY Chttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif...Doug

Mackin,


"Noisy - Casting #53 - Death Wobble - Killer Dowel Pin - Wonder bread tested......'nuf said?


I wonder when Captain will stop comparing his OLD 01 Duramax to the current model 04 German Dodge ??


Why don't we compare apples to oranges with Melvin ??"


What does this mean? Your first sentence does not make sense to me. Is any of it related to the new Cummins?


I did the comparisons between the two engines/trucks on a Duramax forum because I thought that was something others asked me to do. At the time I did not know of the Cummins' forums. Think I have stopped comparisons on the Duramax forums and will monitor that I don't in the future. Sorry I offended you with my truthful comparisons. I can accept the fact that the Duramax is a loser and I was dumb and unlucky enough to buy and use one. Can you?


Dodge/Chrysler has a long American history. Most still consider it an "American" product even though most, or much of the corporate profits go to Germany. I find that sad as the Germans did attack us in WW2 and have a history of brutality toward us. Frankly I did not have good experience with one Ford I owned so that was not an option. I applaud your patriotism for bringing the issue up.


The Japanese were lying to us in Washington while attacking and slaughtering us at Pearl Harbor. Then their war tactics included barbaric torture of our people who were captured, suicide bombings (Mitsubishi planes) and actual cannibalism. Many of our captured people were tortured, executed and pieces of their livers EATEN by some Japanese in a ritual of strength.


The Duramax is a JAPANESE ISUZU engine. 'Nuff said?


"Dont get all poor me cause I got ya ...


You have been bragging up a storm since you got the new beast,even on the Duramax forums along with jumping in when the opportunity prevailed to pick on the fall shorts on the Duramax in the Duramax forums ....


No ??


.....How (file://How/) long did you think I'd sit quiet ..."


Guess I'm real stupid because I make no sense of this either. 'Got me on what?'


As for the other, it is so poorly written I can't figure out what... 'fall shorts ...Duramax forums'... means. You should have paid attention to more of your English classes. It's not too late, take a correspondence course.


Mack, I'm not sitting quiet either. I will stay on the Cummins forums and the War Room. Remember, THIS HERE is a Cummins Forum. It's nice to talk Cummins here, good and bad. HERE I think it is also acceptable to compare the engines and trucks with a truthful slant toward the Cummins if you choose.


As for me 'bragging up a storm', I'll take that under consideration. My thoughts are it's just a truck that I use to deliver trailers. Anyone with some money can buy and use one, like any other tool. To me it's no big deal to buy a tool with a reputation that works and then use it. In the future I'll try to parse my words so as not to offend those who are sensitive. But if I do....too bad. Learn to live in the real world.


I have posted over the years to selfishly gain knowledge from others, help some and entertain myself a little. Seems to some both the good experiences and the bad ones are fuel for criticism. The old addage makes sense in this case....."you're dammed if you do and dammed if you don't.


Eric Merchant (Dmaxillatech) is a heck of a good man. There, I said it and now you can criticise that too.

Of course none of that first sentence makes sense to you


"Noisy - Casting #53 - Death Wobble - Killer Dowel Pin - Wonder bread tested......'nuf said? Shows me you know absolutely nothing about the history of the Cummins engine since it's introduction into the pickup truck market ... We call that a bandwagon jumper around here ... The Cummins B was installed in delivery service vehicles ... Get the Frito Lay wonder bread reference ??


Although I clearly understood


Refinement - Power - Simplicity - Reliability - Longevity ......'nuf said?


so I guess that makes me smarter ....


I'm pointing out the imperfections in the motor you've come to love ... Did you know Cummins stance on warranty on the KILLER DOWEL PIN ?? Do you know what happened to all the poor suckers with the THIN blocks with casting #53 with warranty repair Captain ?? I bet you don't .... Chrysler DODGE screwed many, bud ... Why don't you do some research before you blast me bud ...





Your sometimers is also kicking in when it comes to your posting in the other forums here on the Diesel Place since your purchase of the Cummins ... Have YOU only posted in the Dodge forums since your purchase ??


How about your recent rant on the Allison transmission, do I need to go and drag it here so you can understand and or find it MAL ??


I am simply pointing out you are comparing a REFINED ENGINE to a first year ENGINE and i's engineering faults ... I am simply pointing out to you MR. English major that the Cummins had MANY bumps in the road on it's way .. But since you are a bandwagon jumper (do you know what that is MAL or do I need to explain )? you know NO history of the Cummins engine in the DODGE truck, HUH ??





You also know absolutely nothing about the front end problems associated with the Dodge ... Maybe I'll have my friend stop in who owns one and has spent PLENTY trying to correct the wandering problem ... I could go on and on Mal ... I'm letting you off easy ...


You wanna brag take the good with the bad Mal ... We all know when something goes wrong such as a failed lift pump or the likings to we wont be told ....


What does Eric have to do with this ?? Talk about not a clue ... Gheeeesh ............


Go fish...





Mac





I'm exercising my right to pollute your thread ... Like you have done in Duramax forums with your opinion ,no not allowed ?? Or you don't like it ??Edited by: Mackin

Yea mine rattles, It took about an hour to take care of the dowel pin, never had the death wobble I did have it on a ford once cause the Idiot at the tire store could not balance one ton wheels right but it has never been an issue on my dodge. Seems to me like the only people that don't like the dodge are the ones that have never owned one. The cummins is tried and true and all you maxipad guys can say is well the duramax has only been out since 2001.

captainmal..... Mackin is just tired of hearing you all over the boards Dmax bad.... my new Cummins greatest.

Swallow it and move on, it's a two way street. I've been known to brag and have taken the heat with the failed headgasket. You aren't the guru of Dmaxes. There are plenty more out there that haven't had the complaints and problems you had. OK you had a problematic truck. Doesn't make everyone's problematic.

And finally your BIGGEST complaint is the, in you very own words, "defective fuel system", the same one that's in your new Cummins. Does that concern you at all? Or did Bosch make it special for you?

BTW: pickuptruck.com review put the Ford 6.0 up top last year. How come you're not driving one of those?Edited by: hoot

Captainmal,


We are going to have to agree to disagree. You posted atleast 10 times in Dmax threads. It was at times when we were scrathing our heads or down on our luck. I don't now you or your history here. Alls I know is your post were rather offensive and annoying. That is why I finally responded to one of your post with a link to TDR and suggested that is where you wannabe. Get it wana-be. Since then you have not posted much if any. I appreciate it. I will never intefere with your discussions again. War room is another story.


ON EDIT: A friend of mine told me one time. " When it comes to any of the big 3, you just hope you don't get a lemon" He is the smartest Dodge owner I know.Edited by: Bronco

Mack,


Did not know about the 'Wonder Bread". Guess they were/are in delivery vehicles because they are reliable.


Did hear of the dowel pin issue but isn't that an old issue not related to the newer engines and NOT real common? Never have I run into an owner of the early 90's Cummins that spoke of it or the casting blocks. I am not well-informed on the history of Cummins in pickups. I was almost always a GM person until they let me down big time. I 'jumped the bandwagon' because my towing experience with the Duramax proved it was a loser (although I did try to buy another one) and the 6.0 Ford was not an option. I chose the Cummins because of it's GOOD reputation, and it was the only other option.


I admitted to posting on the Duramax sites and still might if information I have, like how to remove a fuel filter, is useful. Can't remember the context of my recent Allison posting or the forum it was in. Seem to remember it was a response to some tone about how good the Allisons' were or a question or comparison to other automatics. Did not remember it as a 'rant'. Mine broke. Telling someone that is not wrong.


Friend just put a new lift pump in his '01 Cummins with 180,000 miles on it. I think it cost him $140 plus two hours labor at Diesel Injection Service in Harmerville, Pa. They are an independant Cummins shop. That kind of price for a repair seems like no big deal to me, especially since it was his first repair of any kind that I know of. Compare that to the thousands I spent trying to repair the Duramax and the projection that I would need another $7,000 or more, and it's like nothing.


I also know nothing about problems with front ends 'wandering'. Guess you are referring to the older Dana axle assemblies. Never heard of anyone complaining on that issue either. They use American Axle now but I don't know if that's an improvement or just a business issue. Seems all the issues you bring up are minor compared to Bill in Texas right now. His information to me has dollars approaching $20,000 to cover all the repairs on his '01 Duramax. Then he, like I had to, must deal with how long those repairs would last.


Can't stay any more tonight as I have a morning charter ( yes, I'm going fishing) and must clear out. Did drive 1,046 miles to PA in one 16 1/2 hour day. Then visited my mom, picked up a trailer and spent the last two days hauling it through all the ice and snow in the Carolinas. Drove back here late last night. Need to get some sleep and notice I did not say how wonderful this 'awful' Dodge/Cummins was through all that.


Oh, I was not an English teacher. I taught science, math, geography, social studies, SAT prep., alternative education, elementary, and reading for 33 years. My degrees are many and in all those areas. Is this some kind of bragging to explain? My real feelings about this education are not positive as all the degrees made me fodder for transfer to take care of problems in areas needing attention.


As for mentioning Eric in praise, it was to prove you are the type of person who will find reason to criticise anything, just like you did.


It's your right to post where you wish, but I encourage you to get off the Cummins Forum unless you have something positive to contribute.


These rants have denegrated this forum's usefulness. You may have the last word. I'm going to let it die. See you in the War Room? Edited by: captainmal

Like I said ....


When an Early (98 ish ? Brazil)Cummins block cracked out of warranty or denied a problem even existed along with the Dowel Pin backing out and grenades a motor what was the cost to the consumer ?? A engineer defect by no other name ... Sound familiar ??


No problem Mal you get my point I'm sure ....


But this is a keeper


It's your right to post where you wish, but I encourage you to get off the Cummins Forum unless you have something positive to contribute.





Little less hypocritical of late day posting on your part ...





Mac



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Bruno,


Good luck with every local, regional, national and world manager you can cry to. If you have three times the success I had when I went through similar problems, you will still have nothing.


Oops, I'm wrong. You will still have to deal with the truck and lots of debt. That's something????


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http://mail.wackywack.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4127&amp;KW=captainmalEdited by: Mackin

Only time will tell but the Bosch HPCR in the CTD is not the same as the one in the Duramax. Nor are the injectors the same.They are in fact made by the same company but that doesn't mean it is the same components. Over the road trucks and many Medium duties have Allison transmissions too...... Made by the same company but not the same thing.

Burn'se





How long was the Cummins been stuffed into the Dodge ?? Do I need to list ALL the problems ?? Since 1989, how many have you owned. I had a 94 and a 99...now a 04. I didn't have any problems.


Why did they go common rail in the US ?? Would you have purchased a earlier Cummins ?? Emmisions requirments and the american publics desire for more power. I did, and never had a problem.





They have refined the beast from Frito Lay to Consumer ...I guess Isuzu refined theirs in Kobelco excavators......I drive a truck that's engine was refined in a potato chip truck and you drive one refined in something that digs sewer lines. Not a whole lot different.


Nuff Said ....

Burns wrote :





They have refined the beast from Frito Lay to Consumer ...I guess Isuzu refined theirs in Kobelco excavators......I drive a truck that's engine was refined in a potato chip truck and you drive one refined in something that digs sewer lines. Not a whole lot different.











That's a big stretch, Major ....


My intentions aren't to turn this into a WAR on brands just my thoughts on a hypocritical brand jumper ...A lookie hear .... If that is what is desired a war we can take it up in the war room ... Start a thread, get some friends ... Your out gunned and it might get a bit difficult on your own to defend ... http://mail.wackywack.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif


If he or anyone has found a better choice to do the job, great .... Some switch from a 2500 to a Dually for more towing stability, it's that simple at times .... I'm pointing out the big picture since 95 has been less then total rosy .... Lemons have been produced,so you got a couple good ones ... There are many happy repeat buying Duramax owners too ... I'm positive, sure the good Captain is totally unaware of the faults that have come out over time with poor engineering and also turn the other cheek warranty claims with Cummins ... All he bitches about with his problems with Duramax that he had .... See the irony ??


There are Many angry switchers to Duramax from Cummins also, you would have to agree ... Ditto Ford ...


Bottom line he starts smoldering fires, I'm bringing out the garden hose wetting it down ... Or maybe I miss my chats with Bart ....


Did you or him expect anything less, sir ??


Attention !!!!


Mac

That's a big stretch, Major .... No bigger than the potato chip truck.


My intentions aren't to turn this into a WAR on brands


Neither am I....... I was simply pointing out that the good Captain's comparisons on the two (whether there is ax gringing or not) are exactly the same as mine. And I have not ax to grind with my D/A experience.


And as far as holding my own...."in a battle or wits, my friend, you are unarmed"

And finally your BIGGEST complaint is the, in you very own words, "defective fuel system", the same one that's in your new Cummins. Does that concern you at all? Or did Bosch make it special for you?



Is the Allson HD 4060 or the MD 3560 exactly the same as the one in your truck? I would say not. It may say Allison on the case but they are different.


And much like that analogy Bosch makes more than one HPCR fuel system.


They didn't make it "Special for me", but they did make it different than yours.

And finally your BIGGEST complaint is the, in you very own words, "defective fuel system", the same one that's in your new Cummins. Does that concern you at all? Or did Bosch make it special for you?

Is the Allson HD 4060 or the MD 3560 exactly the same as the one in your truck? I would say not. It may say Allison on the case but they are different.
And much like that analogy Bosch makes more than one HPCR fuel system.
They didn't make it "Special for me", but they did make it different than yours.


Those transmissions you mentioned don't look like a 1000 Series Allison.

I know this is only a picture but take a close look and then go out to your truck and look at your pump.

Tell me it's not a CP3. And then take a look at your FCM. That being the fuel control module. The dmax has it on the passenger side valve cover. Do you have one that looks the same? All that's left is your injectors. Yes they are different because your engine/head is different but I'll guarantee you they use 23,000 psi of fuel pressure and they fire by solenoid commanded by the FCM. I will also bet they have the same internals as the Dmax injectors. Even your fuel rails are the same general build as the ones on the Dmax.

You have the same, as captainmal puts it, "defective fuel system", as the Duramax.

http://www.uscom.com/~hoot/cars/duramax/gmc/headgaskets/images/DSCN4574.jpgEdited by: hoot

That's a big stretch, Major .... No bigger than the potato chip truck.


My intentions aren't to turn this into a WAR on brands


Neither am I....... I was simply pointing out that the good Captain's comparisons on the two (whether there is ax gringing or not) are exactly the same as mine. And I have not ax to grind with my D/A experience.


And as far as holding my own...."in a battle or wits, my friend, you are unarmed"








Looks like you've taken over the battle Point Major .... Shall we engage ??


Ready, Steady...., aim, Fire !!!!!!!!!!!


The Pota-toe truck your referring to has a 5.9 Cummins in it, same as, minus some recent upgrades as in your vehicle ...


So for you to say the 6.6 and 7.8 Duramax is planted in excavation pieces it must then be concluded the Duramax ranks right up there with Cat a commercial duty engine ...


Mal is comparing a 01 to the refined HPCR Cummins and six speed available today, not the first year Cummins ... That would be an equal comparision ... Shall we bring up that gutless pig, Sir ??


Yes, your right your wit is superior, guns in holster ...


Mac http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif


Thanks for the compliment on the chose we've made with the Commercial Duty Duramax engines ......

"Mal is comparing a 01 to the refined HPCR Cummins and six speed available today, not the first year Cummins ... That would be an equal comparision ... Shall we bring up that gutless pig, Sir ??"


I don't follow your logic, should he compare the 89 CTD to the 6.5L or 6.2L? If he was comparing his 01 D/A to an 04.5 (improved) CTD he would be way off....BUT, he (and I) are comparing the 01 D/A (first year Duramax) with an 04 (same engine as 03--first year HPCR CTD).


Same thing as comparing LLY (Improved D/A) to 04.5 CTD(325/600) (improved CTD). In other words NO COMPARISON!


Apples to Apples right?Edited by: MABurns

"So for you to say the 6.6 and 7.8 Duramax is planted in excavation pieces it must then be concluded the Duramax ranks right up there with Cat a commercial duty engine ..."





That's not what I said. Isuzu took some of the technology that they refined in 4 Cyl diesel engines (that are in excavation equipment) multiplied it by 2 (V-8) and gave it to DMAX Ltd.


Sorry not up there with Cat yet...maybe up there with a Volvo Penta in a boat but I don't think your ready for prime time.

"Mal is comparing a 01 to the refined HPCR Cummins and six speed available today, not the first year Cummins ... That would be an equal comparision ... Shall we bring up that gutless pig, Sir ??"


I don't follow your logic, should he compare the 89 CTD to the 6.5L or 6.2L? If he was comparing his 01 D/A to an 04.5 (improved) CTD he would be way off....BUT, he (and I) are comparing the 01 D/A (first year Duramax) with an 04 (same engine as 03--first year HPCR CTD).


Same thing as comparing LLY (Improved D/A) to 04.5 CTD(325/600) (improved CTD). In other words NO COMPARISON!


Apples to Apples right?








OK it was a stretch but I had to throw it out there ... http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif





All I was emphasizing was unfortunately Mal got a truck that ate him up out of warranty .... He now makes reference as if we all will travel down the same road eventually regardless of model year changes ...


Cummins also had issues all along as the model year came along ...


The big three all count beans the same way and all have stuck the consumer with lemons ...


No problem'o Maburns .... Funny part is these guys prolly don't realize is you use to and would beat up on the likes of this topic too in the not to distant past ....





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

"No problem'o Maburns .... Funny part is these guys prolly don't realize is you use to and would beat up on the likes of this topic too in the not to distant past "


I'm having fun. I said all along I am not brand loyal. I have owned all three. When I bought a D/A I never bad mouthed the CTDs I owned. And I won't bad mouth the D/A. All I can say is they keep getting better.


It's kind of like the guy that moves around a lot. When he gets to his new town he adopts the "hometown" team as if it was his own.


It's a sport. But you always have to play to win!!! Wanna play?

How come all you Dodge boys are buying 6 speeds?

Your turn

Because DC's AT is not up to snuff.


Why do Allison's go into a protective limp mode when you crank up the power? Why does Mackin have a Suncoast Level 4 upgrade?


Why? ATs can't handle the torque input at the RPMs where a diesel is produces it best (1200-1600 RPM).

Because DC's AT is not up to snuff.


Why do Allison's go into a protective limp mode when you crank up the power? Why does Mackin have a Suncoast Level 4 upgrade?


Why? ATs can't handle the torque input at the RPMs where a diesel is produces it best (1200-1600 RPM).

'04 LLY...... 590 tq at 1600 rpm. Stock Allison

Because DC's AT is not up to snuff.


Why do Allison's go into a protective limp mode when you crank up the power? Why does Mackin have a Suncoast Level 4 upgrade?


Why? ATs can't handle the torque input at the RPMs where a diesel is produces it best (1200-1600 RPM).








Hey watch it there Buddy that's level 5 Suncoast .... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif


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I'm thinking an auto tranny comparo photo would be good right about now...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

I don't speak Roman.....thought it was a 4http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif

I'm thinking an auto tranny comparo photo would be good right about now...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


You show the shaft and I'll have to get out the rod.

'04 LLY...... 590 tq at 1600 rpm. Stock Allison





I never really realized though (when I drove an Allison equipped vehicle) how little time that truck spends at 1600 RPM. That is where it produces its best torque numbers--BUT--It likes to shift and run at a higher RPM.


Wonder why that is?


It certainly won't stay at 1600 RPM going up a hill, what would that be--50 MPH?

My week dodge auto tranny handles the 750lb's torque my truck makes never slips and never ever ever goes into limp mode! Oh yea I don't have a limp mode

Nice argument here, especially the name calling, such as "you maxipad guys." That comment is really mature, you must be so proud of yourself cumminsgetsome.


Let's get back to the original post. Pickuptruck.com posted an article by a writer who went to a Dodge sponsored event, with Dodge providing the all the trucks, trailers, etc.... This was brought up over at the RV.net forums, and I asked if they used an LB7 or an LLY Duramax. I tried to email the author of the article, it was returned as undeliverable...how convenient. The webmaster of Diesel Truck Resource chimed in to say that based on what he had heard through their site, it was an LB7 Duramax.


Let's see now, when Ford came out with the 6.0L PSD, pickuptruck.com did a similar, yet much more comprehensive article. Funny thing was, the lowest powered engine of the three, the LB7 Duramax placed second to the PSD in all the different acceleration tests. The HO CTD, with 5 more horsies and 35 more lb-ft of torque couldn't beat the D-Max during the testing.


Now, Dodge comes out with the 600 CTD, sponsors an event, but uses the previous generation diesel of another manufacturer. LOL, let's stack the deck here boys. The LLY Duramax started production before the 600 CTD to begin with, but we wouldn't that engine to be represented, would we. Furthermore, there were no actual reported test results in this article about the 600 CTD, only anecdotal accounts.


Let's wait a few more weeks for the inevitable independent test sponsored by Trailer Life or pickuptruck.com, one with actual measure results, and using the actual current offerings from each manufacturer.

My week dodge auto tranny handles the 750lb's torque my truck makes never slips and never ever ever goes into limp mode! Oh yea I don't have a limp mode


Yup but I'll bet when you run it hard you "sniff" your stick .... http://mail.wackywack.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


One of these days you'll find chocolate milk has been mixed in .... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif


Mac

I don't get all the hype about the Allison. There is no doubt that in stock form that Allison is the superior tranny, but once you start to bomb all that goes away. There is plenty of aftermarket support out for the 47re to make it into very good performing and reliable transmission in 500++ hp applications. Even the mighty STOCK Allison can't hold the power of a modified Duramax.


2004.5 ETH 600ft/lbs @ 1600rpm Stock 48reEdited by: Big P

I don't get all the hype about the Allison. There is no doubt that in stock form that Allison is the superior tranny, but once you start to bomb all that goes away. There is plenty of aftermarket support out for the 47re to make it into very good performing and reliable transmission in 500++ hp applications. Even the mighty STOCK Allison can't hold the power of a modified Duramax.


2004.5 ETH 600ft/lbs @ 1600rpm Stock 48re








The stock Allison will hold an additional 90 RWHP and 250 feet LBS of torque with out any issue ....


Fly Wheel HP would be over 400 and torque near 800 Feet LBS .... I would consider that pretty stout for out of the box capibilities ....


How soon would a 47re grenade at that level ??





Mac

Mac, your right. But like I said the products ARE out there to make the 47re a very good and reliable trans.

Any amount of torque at 1600 RPM is useless if the little brain in the TCM tells it to shift and not let it run there. I prefer (this week) to let my little brain do the shifting.

The Allison is designed to meet its specs and protect itself for the case when it finally does wear out or perhaps even protect itself for the inevitable excessive bomber. Almost any modern, well thought out, design has built in protection. For vehicles these include rev limiters, speed limiters, and auto tranny slip protection. Its a no brainer.

I am not aurguing the merit of technology. Hoot simply asked a question why many Dodge CTD owners chose a 6 speed over an AT. Although his motive was to point out DC's weak AT (and the superior Allsion), it only highlighted why people do choose a 6 speed. It allows the truck owner to operate the engine at an optimal RPM--one where the engine was designed to operate. It is just to bad that the superior Allison AT doesn't like that RPM range. Is the CTD/6 speed (or D/ZF) ever going to win at the race track. NOPE. But I would say with the exception of a small minority who take their truck to the track, a 6 speed does just fine at putting the power to the ground. Edited by: MABurns

GM came out with a pretty good showing auto tranny wise with the introduction of the Duramax. What kills me is Ford and Dodge have been honking their horns as the best diesels offered and have had all the time in the world to do something with their automatic transmission technology.

So GM unloads the Allison and Ford runs off scared and develops the Torqshift (Allison copy).

Dodge is still scratching their heads.

None of it makes sense. The conclusion here still is..

The automatics offered aren't the greatest for towing. None of them have proved to be able to use the diesel's lower rpm torque to it's advantage.

But yet Allison and other companies do make automatics that take on big diesels in BIG trucks and buses.

I think the pickup truck is simply getting the shaft from the big three. They don't want to spend the money to do what it takes. Too much money to be made just giving the minimum.

MABurns... I do agree.. manual gives you the choices. On the hills, it makes a big difference.

One other thing to consider is Dodge now will stand behind their 48RE for 7 years/100,000 miles.What is the warranty for the far superior Ally?I also think 4 speeds is enough for an auto.Our bucket trucks have World transmissions in them,they went form 5 to 6 speeds.BIG mistake,just when the engine(anemic 3126 Cat) starts making power,the stupid Ally upshifts and it falls on it's face,so the extra gear actually hurt it...Doug Edited by: dougf

The Allison is a great AT. IMO the best in the big three. But facts are facts: they don't hold up well at low RPMs and high torque.


Is rowing through the gears of a NV 5600 painful at times, yes, and in traffic I miss the Allison.


But I do like the previously mentioned benefits of the 6 speed.

One other thing to consider is Dodge now will stand behind their 48RE for 7 years/100,000 miles.What is the warranty for the far superior Ally?I also think 4 speeds is enough for an auto.Our bucket trucks have World transmissions in them,they went form 5 to 6 speeds.BIG mistake,just when the engine(anemic 3126 Cat) starts making power,the stupid Ally upshifts and it falls on it's face,so the extra gear actually hurt it...Doug


Who would buy a Dodge auto 47RE that didn't come with a 7/100,000 warranty with it's reputation ??http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif


Yes GM should have gotten behind the reputation of the Allison and offered atleast a 5/100,000 like the Duramax warranty ... Guess they felt no need but the consumer would have felt more at ease perhaps ....


Haven't heard of many go down past the 36,000 tho ,unless high mileage with good amount of towing miles ... Not saying there hasn't been any just not thru the BB I monitor ....


Mac Edited by: Mackin

Anyone know if the rumor was true about Dodge's new engine control module setting nonerasible codes when excess power was applied?


That would be a limp mode for the vehicle warranty.

Nice argument here, especially the name calling, such as "you maxipad guys." That comment is really mature, you must be so proud of yourself cumminsgetsome.


Let's get back to the original post. Pickuptruck.com posted an article by a writer who went to a Dodge sponsored event, with Dodge providing the all the trucks, trailers, etc.... This was brought up over at the RV.net forums, and I asked if they used an LB7 or an LLY Duramax. I tried to email the author of the article, it was returned as undeliverable...how convenient. The webmaster of Diesel Truck Resource chimed in to say that based on what he had heard through their site, it was an LB7 Duramax.


Let's see now, when Ford came out with the 6.0L PSD, pickuptruck.com did a similar, yet much more comprehensive article. Funny thing was, the lowest powered engine of the three, the LB7 Duramax placed second to the PSD in all the different acceleration tests. The HO CTD, with 5 more horsies and 35 more lb-ft of torque couldn't beat the D-Max during the testing.


Now, Dodge comes out with the 600 CTD, sponsors an event, but uses the previous generation diesel of another manufacturer. LOL, let's stack the deck here boys. The LLY Duramax started production before the 600 CTD to begin with, but we wouldn't that engine to be represented, would we. Furthermore, there were no actual reported test results in this article about the 600 CTD, only anecdotal accounts.


Let's wait a few more weeks for the inevitable independent test sponsored by Trailer Life or pickuptruck.com, one with actual measure results, and using the actual current offerings from each manufacturer.








Blunote I did not go to your forum and start bashing your truck you chuvy guys came here. I am not the only calling names somebody posted earlier DOdGeS did you see that one or how about you guys calling a powerstroke a powerjoke, powerchoke Yea you are a lot more mature. You can dish it out but you can't take it.





Mackin as a matter of fact I changed my tranny fluid last week and it was just like it came out of the bottle it had been in there for about a year with me pulling my 10,000lb fith wheel up the mountains.I live at 7500 feet and the passes that I have to pull over top around11,000feet

Well them "few surprizes" can't be much more then cetane boost in every tank ...


Mac http://mail.wackywack.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Blunote I did not go to your forum and start bashing your truck you chuvy guys came here. I am not the only calling names somebody posted earlier DOdGeS did you see that one or how about you guys calling a powerstroke a powerjoke, powerchoke Yea you are a lot more mature. You can dish it out but you can't take it.


"you chuvy guys came here"


LOL, maybe you didn't realize it, but The Diesel Place is a site for GM trucks (it just happens to include a Dodge forum) As far as the name-calling, you're right that it goes both ways. However, saying I can dish it out, but can't take it is a little foolish on your part. Go back into the thread, or any other posting of mine at this site and see if there is any name-calling by me. You won't find any, because intelligent people can generally find a way to make their point without having to be infantile. If this were the "war room," it might be different, but don't try to act high and mighty when you're wrong. So yes, I guess it is a maturity issue. Some have it, some don't. Why can't you discuss the facts I presented, or are you afraid to get into a battle of wits and logic?

bluenote what is the point of a dodge forum if everytime we post something you guy's jump in and try to tell us how much better yours is then ours!!!!!!!!!!


Mackin I see my tranny was done by the same people that done yourshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif but my original tranny had 141,000 miles on it and was still going when I replaced it I never had a problem with it I just did not want to have problems and wanted a lower stall converter I know many dodges that the original tranny went past 100,000 one even has around 300,000.

cumminsgetsome,


sounds like you got a good auto. one reason i opted for the chevy w/ ally was my good friend John has a 95 cummins. tows a 27' horse trailer and lost his first tranny at just over 100k, transfer case at 140k (puked fluid since 90 and i know because my ATV trailer was covered in it) and he just re-did his tranny again at 160. he has a banks powerpack on it since 115k, but my stock dmax would still outrun him. not trying to dog the dodge- i really love that engine. but my buddy's truck experience was what i looked at when i bought my dmax. just trying to point out that all trannys of the same breed are not created equal.


Nick

cumminsgetsome,


sounds like you got a good auto. one reason i opted for the chevy w/ ally was my good friend John has a 95 cummins. tows a 27' horse trailer and lost his first tranny at just over 100k, transfer case at 140k (puked fluid since 90 and i know because my ATV trailer was covered in it) and he just re-did his tranny again at 160. he has a banks powerpack on it since 115k, but my stock dmax would still outrun him. not trying to dog the dodge- i really love that engine. but my buddy's truck experience was what i looked at when i bought my dmax. just trying to point out that all trannys of the same breed are not created equal.


Nick





Nick I agree 100% but you also can't call all of them crap because a few have failed just like a few alli's have I agree that allison does make some good trannys just look at the ones they use in the big rock trucks. Banks makes good stuff but it is quite exspensive for the performance that you get your better off buying seperate performance parts and ending up with quite a lot more. The cummins makes a lot of torque at 1750 and that is what gets most trannys generally you do not have enough rpm to have sufficient pressure to hold the clutchs. But I would rather have a second rate transmission and a first rate engine than the other way around I have had a lot of different trucks and pulled with all of them and none that I have seen will compare to the cummins.

bluenote what is the point of a dodge forum if everytime we post something you guy's jump in and try to tell us how much better yours is then ours!!!!!!!!!!


What is the point of you evading questions and trying to point the finger at someone who pointed out a legitimate item for discussion? I don't recall saying "mine is better than yours" at any point, perhaps you could point out where you saw that. The "test" was flawed, it was posted on this website and I merely pointed out the problems with the article. You're the one who is trying to make the situation out to be something different than it is. It's really easy to make general statements about "you guy's," but general statements aren't usually much support for any reasonable argument. You still haven't tried to discuss the article. Should I assume at this point it's because you realize it wasn't a valid comparison and so if you argue about something else it will make it look like the oppressed Dodge guy is getting picked on? Please put some valid thought into your inevitable rebuttal to this post.

I've owned both with the stick and guess which one I can't see owning again. The Cummins was great and trouble free but, the rest of the truck was a disaster as was my wife's Grand Cherokee, so I'd have to be a real jackass to buy another Chrysler vehicle. That said 325hp and 600lb-ft out of the box and no engine killing egr system does sound tempting. I'd have to say if it weren't for the Cummins and the blind loyalty of most Cummins owners, Dodge would probably have been out of the truck business long ago. Edited by: GMCTRUCK

And without the Duramax and brand loyal people to you think GM would be selling many 6.5s when the competition is where they are at. Dodge certainly has improved the total package. Some one made the statement that: Ford has a good engine in a great truck....... Dodge has a great engine in a good truck......I guess that leaves GM with a really good engine in a really good truck.

Ran into and older fellow that had a later model Dodge Cummins/Auto at the Philly auto show last year. Loved his Dodge... went through six torque convertors. He was playing with power but if I remember it wasn't outrageous. Kinda cool to see the senior citizens getting into hotrodding diesels. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif Actually he was doing it for more power pulling his trailer.




cumminsgetsome,


sounds like you got a good auto. one reason i opted for the chevy w/ ally was my good friend John has a 95 cummins. tows a 27' horse trailer and lost his first tranny at just over 100k, transfer case at 140k (puked fluid since 90 and i know because my ATV trailer was covered in it) and he just re-did his tranny again at 160. he has a banks powerpack on it since 115k, but my stock dmax would still outrun him. not trying to dog the dodge- i really love that engine. but my buddy's truck experience was what i looked at when i bought my dmax. just trying to point out that all trannys of the same breed are not created equal.


Nickhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif

The 48RE tranny seems to be holding up pretty good so far but, after driving both the 6 speed and auto the Cummins just feels so much better in front of the 6 speed and it would probably be the better choice for anything but a drag race where the auto has the off the line advantage. Thanks to the computer stalling the Cummins very difficult but, this is mostly because of the computer adding throttle on it's own. From a stop I can ease the clutch out in 4th gear on my GMC with no throttle and the truck will surge ahead right up to speed and the Cummins will probably do the same thing. Just gonna have to see how the Common Rail Cummins does at 100k. The only problems a few Duramaxs seem to have has to do with the fuel system. If that's the case then you would expect the 2003 and newer Cummins to have the same issues eventually.

GMCTRUCK,


So far I've only spoken with two '03 Common Rail Cummins that are over 100,000 miles. Have read of a few more that just got there and one recent report ( and I now e-mail directly with him) of one that did all 100,000 miles under heavy tow. That's lots of fuel through the system.


Bottom line is none have mentioned any fuel issues. Have not noticed any fuel issues with those of lower mileage either and none use extra filtration that I can discover.


This may be kind of 'off the wall' but I'm speculating whether there is some kind of vibration issue that is causing the fuel system failures with the Duramax? If they are truely the same thing it seems logical that it would be the 'same thing".


I'm looking.....I'm lookin'.

we braved the sub-zero temps, gusty winds and snow to venture out to take delivery of my new 2004 GMC CC LLY http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gifDuramax powered 6spd blue pickup. Traded in my troublesome 01 Dodge Ram 2500 quad cab HO cummins 6spd that has been in the shop 27 times in the last 2.5 years and 31766 miles. what a difference... so far love the new truck...quiet, snappy and drives like a dream...hope all goes well.


This was a post by subman in the 2500HD&amp;3500 trucks.

White Duramax,


Saw that post. Kinda interested in what he has going wrong with the truck. No specifics given.


To my knowledge the HO engine first came out in '03. Curious but essentially they were the same basic motor with the older Dana driveline.

I believe the HO came out in 01 and came only with a 6speed.

HO motors came out in 01 with the vp-44 injection pump and mechanical injectors. In 03 it went to the common rail design.

Thanks guys,


Shows how little I know. Have two friends with '01's. Never heard them mention there were different versions of the engine.

I drove the wife's 03' HO/48re home last night with six horses on the trailer and every time I get in that dam truck I am amazed at how nice they have made them. Not just the engine, the whole truck. And anybody who thinks the new 48re tranny is not a good one better look a little harder. It'll hold OD way better than any of our D/A's ever did. I can lug it all the way down to about 1250 rpm's in OD and then give er the pedal and gain speed, my chevy would have kicked down to 4th and reved up. And to whoever made the coment about Dodge buyers being blind loyalists, I can tell you from experience that my GM buyers are about 100 times more blind loyalist than my Dodge buyers.

I drove the wife's 03' HO/48re home last night with six horses on the trailer and every time I get in that dam truck I am amazed at how nice they have made them. Not just the engine, the whole truck. And anybody who thinks the new 48re tranny is not a good one better look a little harder. It'll hold OD way better than any of our D/A's ever did. I can lug it all the way down to about 1250 rpm's in OD and then give er the pedal and gain speed, my chevy would have kicked down to 4th and reved up. And to whoever made the coment about Dodge buyers being blind loyalists, I can tell you from experience that my GM buyers are about 100 times more blind loyalist than my Dodge buyers.


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gifToo funny!Cummins Luke.See you can post now.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif

Ya it works today. Or maybe I am just a computer idiothttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif

Ya it works today. Or maybe I am just a computer idiothttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif





Luke from Gm-Diesel ??


Well well well .....


Are you back in a GM drivers seat yet ?? Or should I ask tomorrow ??





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif

Yup, it's me. Long time no see fella. No, I am not driving any GM's right now. My wife has forbid me to. She says they ride too bad and look too ugly. I'm drivin an old outdated 02 3500 Goat under the three car hauler, and she's the lucky one whos got an 03' HO/48re.

Yup, it's me. Long time no see fella. No, I am not driving any GM's right now. My wife has forbid me to. She says they ride too bad and look too ugly. I'm drivin an old outdated 02 3500 Goat under the three car hauler, and she's the lucky one whos got an 03' HO/48re.


Well Howdy !!!!


Lucky wife , I'm sure she'll let you roller once in awhile if you behave ...


I see you asking about my sig ,just goofing round .... Still have Dmax running thru my blood,for now ...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif


Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

This will be my first post on this board. I have over 500,000 miles in my last two Dodge trucks. Most all of the miles have been pulling in the oilfields. My present truck, an 03 (see sig) went over 100k this past week. My old truck, a 2nd Gen. 12 valve had 416+k when I sold it and I still see it on the road hauling produce from the Rio Grande Valley to Houston and San Antonio, it probably has over 500,000 miles on it by now.


On the old truck the only major problems I had were the transmission, it was an auto, I solved that with a DTT transmission. The engine was never touched except for adjusting the valves,(twice), no killer dowel pin problems. I personally know of at least 6 older model Dodge trucks with over 500k on them and none of them have had the engines opened up.


My 03 I bought last Feb.14,2003 with 46 miles on the odometer. It went over 100k last week. The only problems have been a leaking power steering pump,(it was cross-threaded at the factory) and a defective limited slip unit, both replaced under warranty. The new fuel injection setup seems fine to me, no problems, I do run the Edge EZ on level 4. I've tried all the levels, the mileage isn't that much different and I like the additional power.


I joined this forum because I didn't see very many people with any experience with high mileage Dodge trucks. I'll try to answer any questions people might have but I don't care to argue. I learned a long time ago you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. In other words, if your mind is made up, why even discuss it.

LukeS--Anything worth seeing in Hermann? I am going to be traveling from Louisville to KC on Wednesday. Looked on the map and realized it isn't that far off I70........

Not hardly, don't blink or you'll miss it. What are ya doin out this way? I thought you were in NY?

Yes, NY is the temporary residence....getting out for good behavior and moving to KC in the spring. Have some business to attend to in KY and Leavenworth KS. Figure I'll check on some houses while I am there.

EB290,


Welcome. You are the 'high-mileage' guru so I'll bow. Caught over 30 trout today. Gotta go back there again tomorrow. Givin' that Cummins a rest.

"I have an interesting question guys. Why do you come on a Dodge Cummins Forum and bad-mouth the Cummins?


Seems most, myself included, DO NOT go to the Duramax forum and do that. Guess you have no 'class'.


My thoughts are you should keep this kind of stuff in the WAR ROOM where it belongs.


Smile, someone loves you."





Captanmal


Funny. I asked the same question of you on the DieselRam website. Seems all you do is bad mouth the Duramax on a Dodge website. Go figure.Edited by: neverenuf

Heh?


Seems like those 'comparison' article I wrote back in November/December for the Cummins site are still bothering you. Why, as a Duramax owner, ARE you even on those sites and letting Cummins people who talk about Cummins, bother you?


Somehow to you, relating my experiences must threaten your manhood or something. It ain't any big deal you have a Duramax. It's just a truck. Get a life and put things in perspective.


I praise the Cummins on a CUMMINS site, both here and elsewhere. With the exception of my "goodby's" on the Diesel Page, that was mostly it.


"I LIKE THE CUMMINS SO FAR!" There, I said it again and I'm on a Cummins site. To consistantly go do that on a Duramax site would be bad taste but not here.


Praise your Duramax on your site. Enjoy.


Gone fishing!

captainmal...

Looks like Ford, Dodge AND GM are having injector issues now.

Ford is in panic mode, GM is slowly coming around since it's not crunching sales and Dodge is just starting to get a taste.

Not good for diesel reputations in general.

Sooo nobody has come up with a price for brand new OEM injectors for the new Cummins yet?

Noisy - Casting #53 - Death Wobble - Killer Dowel Pin - Wonder bread tested......'nuf said? Why don't we compare apples to oranges with Melvin ??


Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif





Casting #53 - plenty of 53 blocks have 400,000+ miles on them. Show me a Duramax on the original injector pump, and no other problems with 400,000 miles.


"Death Wobble?" What percentage of Dodge owners actually have this problem? Few 97 and earlier trucks, and NO 98-later trucks. So few of these complaints exist - it's more likely the morons who cannot figure out how to get a front end set up properly. Mine: 233,000 miles and I just went through the front end this year. If you want to bash the front end, do a little homework - the real issue is weaker tie rods, the factory trackbar, and unreplaceable control arm bushings.


Killer Dowel Pin? 1997 and earlier trucks. and you're complaining about comparing apples to oranges??





Hmm, let's see - where was GM in 1997. Oh yeah, that wonderful 6.5 motor that needs a new injector pump every 40,000 miles.





Or Ford, hey! we just added an intercooler and turbo!! WOO HOO!!

We have sold a couple thousand Dodge/Cummins trucks since we have been in the Dodge business and I can honestely say I've never seen a #53 block crack, a "death wobble", or a KDP actually come out. I watch the service dept carefully in both our Dodge and GM store so I can keep in the know on this stuff. The only wide spread problems I ever see on a Dodge is bad lift pumps on 24-valve's which generally go out within the 100,000 mile warranty and are replaced at o cost to the owner.

"Sooo nobody has come up with a price for brand new OEM injectors for the new Cummins yet?"


Hoot, $794 Retail


$476 my cost.


A piece of course. I don't know if Cummins sells em any cheaper?

Heh?


Seems like those 'comparison' article I wrote back in November/December for the Cummins site are still bothering you. Why, as a Duramax owner, ARE you even on those sites and letting Cummins people who talk about Cummins, bother you?


Somehow to you, relating my experiences must threaten your manhood or something. It ain't any big deal you have a Duramax. It's just a truck. Get a life and put things in perspective.


I praise the Cummins on a CUMMINS site, both here and elsewhere. With the exception of my "goodby's" on the Diesel Page, that was mostly it.


"I LIKE THE CUMMINS SO FAR!" There, I said it again and I'm on a Cummins site. To consistantly go do that on a Duramax site would be bad taste but not here.


Praise your Duramax on your site. Enjoy.


Gone fishing!














I never let anything written about the Cummins bother me. You have a mighty short memory. Why don't you look here then head back to the other site and find where I ever got offended from talk about a Cummins. What I find funny is all you can really talk about on a CUMMINS site is not your truck, but of how terrible the Duramax is. Looks like your the upset one. Relax yourself, little guy.





--Lifeless in Las Vegas

Noisy - Casting #53 - Death Wobble - Killer Dowel Pin - Wonder bread tested......'nuf said? Why don't we compare apples to oranges with Melvin ??


Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif





Casting #53 - plenty of 53 blocks have 400,000+ miles on them. Show me a Duramax on the original injector pump, and no other problems with 400,000 miles.


"Death Wobble?" What percentage of Dodge owners actually have this problem? Few 97 and earlier trucks, and NO 98-later trucks. So few of these complaints exist - it's more likely the morons who cannot figure out how to get a front end set up properly. Mine: 233,000 miles and I just went through the front end this year. If you want to bash the front end, do a little homework - the real issue is weaker tie rods, the factory trackbar, and unreplaceable control arm bushings.


Killer Dowel Pin? 1997 and earlier trucks. and you're complaining about comparing apples to oranges??





Hmm, let's see - where was GM in 1997. Oh yeah, that wonderful 6.5 motor that needs a new injector pump every 40,000 miles.





Or Ford, hey! we just added an intercooler and turbo!! WOO HOO!!








Hey I'm just trying to liven up your forum ... Been awfull busy since we came in .....


Just setting the record for the unknowing ,nothing is without faults ...


I could dig up some testomonials if you'd like ...


Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif

I have owned plenty of Dodges and would not own another one untill the rest of the truck matches the quality of the Cummins.


I have run Duramaxes over the magic 400k mark and only the 01 needed 1 injector. No head gasket issues either.


Cummins 600 has fuel injector issues coming,just wait.I know of 2 that are hauling already and time will tell.

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I have an interesting question guys. Why do you come on a Dodge Cummins Forum and bad-mouth the Cummins?


Seems most, myself included, DO NOT go to the Duramax forum and do that. Guess you have no 'class'.


My thoughts are you should keep this kind of stuff in the WAR ROOM where it belongs.


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</TD></TR></T></T></TABLE> THIS REALLY SURPRISES ME THAT YOU WOULD SAY SUCH A STUPID THING CONSIDERING THAT YOU CAN GO TO THE TOP OF THE PAGE AND SEARCH YOUR SCREENAME AND PULL ALL OF THE DOOM AND GLOOM YOU POST ABOUT THE D/A IN THERE CHAT.....THEN WANNA SAY SOMEONE ELSE DONT HAVE CLASS.......LOOK IN THE MIRROR Edited by: rickles04

capt.... Rickles is right

Cummins 600 has fuel injector issues coming,just wait.I know of 2 that are hauling already and time will tell.





Uhh?? And where did you get that information?


MikeyB

Don't believe the "600's" have been out but maybe a month. My "old" 2003 is less than a yr old and has almost 102,000 miles on it, no sign of injector problems.

Cummins 600 has fuel injector issues coming,just wait.I know of 2 that are hauling already and time will tell.





Uhh?? And where did you get that information?


MikeyB





Broker delievers for a living. He is only stating that he knows of 2 600's that are also delievering. This means they will be racking up miles at an incredible rate. Hence the "only time will tell" He never stated there were current 600 problems. Relax!

kinda wish this post hadn't stopped....hadn't had this much fun reading since i found playboy when i was like 12 or something

Somebody said 22,000 hours of testing for the 600 Cummins?


Is that right? That's almost 3 years of wide open running. I have heard peole say the 5.9 is good for 10,000 hours, but not all of that is wide open. Are you sure i wasn't 2200? That seems more like it.

cummins is a good motor its just to bad it comes in the dudge.....but at least in the duramax you got an automatic.....i know i aint paying 45 grand for a truck and have to shift gears because the auto falls slap out....

cummins is a good motor its just to bad it comes in the dudge.....but at least in the duramax you got an automatic.....i know i aint paying 45 grand for a truck and have to shift gears because the auto falls slap out....


I might have agreed with your comment prior to 94, but 94 to 02 they where fairly close.... 03 and beyond I think the Dodge beats out the GM in just about every area except the back seat and AT.


But I have the 6 speed, and 5, 3, and 1 year old girls don't need that much room anyway!





Edited by: MABurns

well i will say if the max gives me any prob she will be traded for a dudge......just like the body style and the way it sits up like a real truck

I like the looks of the Dodge, too. One thing I don't care for about the GMs is the way they sit lower than the others, and the way the 2wds aren't any higher than the 4wds. I think they're great trucks, but they just don't look as "truck like"


If you could just get that Allison in a dodge.

Why would you want a 2wd to be higher than a 4wd?


The height isn't an issue for me, its actually preferrable. GM designed the truck for the normal driver that likes to tow or carry things.

Why would you want a 2wd to be higher than a 4wd?





Whoops. Brain fart, I guess. I meant it the other way around.