So the time has come for a new set of tires. Thank you in advance for all your help this site truly is the greatest for info!!!!:ro) :ro) :ro)

I know that there are other here who have had the same questions but have compared different types of tires and are concerned with tire life, wet road tracion, etc. I currently have BFG AT KO on Weld Cheyanne EVO 16X8 rims. I am keeping them for the "non salt" season after the damage done last winter...... Looking to place a "winter" tire on the stock rims. Tire size has to be 265/75/16. I have read the glowing reviews of the revo but need to know from people who use the revos in snow and ice only. Definately people from the the northeast, Alaska, Canada, please chime in if you have experience with both in which to compare.

Background:

I am a avid snowmobilier. i mean avid. Ride anywhere from 3000K to 5000K a year. And I haul to where I am going. Like to ft. kent, madawaska, millinocket, greenville, ranglely. All roads that are normally hazardous on dry pavement due to the state of maine's lack of road maintaince if you live away from the coast where the tourist get there view of maine. :rant: So the tire needs to have EXCELLENT snow and ice capability due to the trailer I pull and the safety of me, passengers, and my family. I drive in the worst conditions possible and have always, always, always trusted my life and possesions on the BFG. I have had 5 sets on 3 different vechiles and swear up and down on these tires. I have done things in snow and ice that others have been in total awe of and converted many, many people to BFG. Having said that, when I went from the stock tire to the BFG I honestly was expecting much better snow and ice traction based on previous vechiles when I changed over from OEM to BFG. I am very happy with them but i want better traction in the snow. Please give me some real life experience in the snow and ice. I do not care to much about tire life as long as i can get 20K to 30K out of them... safety is more important than tire life when you are off the road and it is snowing and the temp never gets above -20F alone with no cell service. Thanks to everyone who can help me!!!!!:D :grd:

My experience with the Revo's has been very positive. Last year while in the Sierra's I was actually pushing snow with my bumper and didn't even know it! I know that may be hard to believe but when I finally stopped to look around (i.e. Mother nature called) I opened my door into the snow bank I had cleared. I walked around the front of my truck to find the snow was as deep as my grill! Needless to say I was impressed.

I have no hesitation recommending these tires. It was a record year for snowfall this year here, I have several months of rain, snow and ice experience with these tires and will be purchasing a new set when the time comes due.

I run Revos in the summer, but in the winter we get a lot of wet snow and slush here. I switch over to the Winter Dueler (DM-Z2) for serious ice and mixed precip. Compared to them, the Revos are lousy. I put 600 lbs. in the bed and in the winter, I go when no one else does. I have been on black ice and have driven on nights when there are cars upside down in the median. So I'm pretty fanatical about winter tires.

I can't comment on the BFGs since I've never owned them, but the Revo has elongated tread blocks (which is why they are quiet) and I personally would not run them all winter. Other people do, and good luck to them, but I would not class these as a great winter tire.

I haul my young kids all the time in winter and would hang myself if I ever put them into harm because I chose not to run a serious winter tread.

Unfortunately, if you're pulling your sleds, you'll need a D or E rated tire. Bridgestone has a soft-compound ("Blizzak") for trucks but unfortunately it doesn't have a lot of open tread for snow.

If you get a lot of dry powder, you might be fine with Revos, but if you get in the wet stuff, I would not want them, and I would guess that the BFG is somewhat better.

enigma - i miss the sierra's SO much. Used to live in SF and my best friend lives in SAC. Most of my friends have cabins in tahoe so we have run that road from sac town to tahoe quite a few times in some ugly stuff. I greatly appreciate the info as I can actually relate having been there. And yes, you guys got DUMPED on last winter. I heard they were still skiing at boreal in may, almost june!!!!

nwpadmax - I think you and I have the exact feeling on tire use. What good is a 4X4 truck if you cannot use it the way it was intended. Especially a truck that cost what these do. So if $800 is what I have to spend for winter tires than so be it, i need to get through safely. I know that you get alot of black ice and slop down there so your help and tip with the winter dueler (which i have not seen before) will get a very close looking at in about 2 minutes after i finish this reply.....

Thank you both!!!!!! Any other plese help a fellow diesel placer out!!!

Winter Only tires..... Cooper Discoverer M+S

The best E rated 265 size tire out there for winter/ice/snow, traction.http://www.coopertire.com/us/en/images/tires/large/discovererMS.jpg

Hey! That tire don't look too bad! Nicely siped. There's a dealer here close to me so I'll stop over and check them out. I wonder if the tread is as soft as the ones I currently run - because I think the soft compound is really the secret.

There are two problems with the Bridgestone Dm-Z2 Winter Dueler:
1) C-load rating, 2475 lb. each. I know I am probably operating near the recommended limit for the tire (weight 7000, I assume ~5000 on fronts and ~2000 on rears, worst case). They will take 50 psi and I've gotten them to wear evenly, but many people would say that this tire is too light for this truck. I believe that the traction ability outweighs the other potential risks. I do not haul or tow anything in the winter except passengers.

2) The DM-Z2 may be being discontinued. What sucks is that the new DM-Z3 won't take 50 psi and all of the load capacities are down across the board. The last time I checked, TireRack still had stock of them, but I might be on borrowed time.

There is a Blizzak W965 (or somethng like that) like I mentioned before, but it's a road tire. Same compound, I think, but not much open space. They are E load range. John Kennedy has recommended them in the past as being good on ice (which is the Blizzak claim to fame).

Thanks all.

Yes, they are rather soft. I'm currently running them year-round. VERY grippy. When coming to a stop with your windows down, you can hear the sipes gripping.

I've used a lot of different tires on plow trucks (19 seasons 4 trucks), and these BAR NONE are the best.

Great on ICE, great in deep powder, great in sloppy slush. Yes, along with the soft compound, the sipes are what do the job.

My BFG's are great in the Alberta Winters - both ice and snow.

Yes, they are rather soft. I'm currently running them year-round. VERY grippy. When coming to a stop with your windows down, you can hear the sipes gripping.

I've used a lot of different tires on plow trucks (19 seasons 4 trucks), and these BAR NONE are the best.

Great on ICE, great in deep powder, great in sloppy slush. Yes, along with the soft compound, the sipes are what do the job.

Thanks I am going to check into them to run for the winter only. They look like a good tread. It's hard to find E rated tires for our trucks.

Any idea what they are worth?

Any idea what they are worth?

Yes, but that won't help you any up there.

They are considerably cheaper than both the BFG and Revo's though!

I am only 30 mins away from the US border and I am fully capable of converting currencies ;) :D

$121 USD each installed.

Much cheaper then Revos. I might just find a cooper dealer. If I don't like them I'll blame it on you. ):h ):h ):h

Cooper is my last name, so if they don't work out, I'd be cussing out my "idiot cousins" or other...:D

Ouch the dealer I phoned sure has nothing nice to say about cooper tires. Of course they don't sell them either.... On to the next.

$60 per tire cheaper then the Revos so far. I plan to get a second set of rims and run the coopers in winter and revos in the summer. I will also likely get them studded. Which means I would need to be real carefull on the throttle. :(

If I don't like them I'll blame it on you. ):h ):h ):h

I'm often leary of recommending/promoting products.

However, thats not the case here.

Just don't expect to run them year-round and get 60K miles out of them.

No real need for studs. Try them first without. You'll be suprised.

Well, you can't really stud them after they are worn a bit so you pretty much have to do it right up front.

Do you know of any place on the internet I can order them for under $125 a tire? Or even a tire chain in the US that caries them? Tirerack doesn't. I got quoted $187 Canadian which is about $155us. That is installed and balanced but not studded.

How much smooth ice do you travel on that studs would be necessary?

Seach Coopers site for dealers.

How much? In winter, daily. All secondary roads are hard packed snow which turns into ice when the sun hits it.

Now I'm interested in these tires as well. I need new tires period, but at that price a guy could potentially save some money by running these in the winter and more of a highway tire in the summer.

I'm generally not a big fan of Coopers since my immediate family has tried nearly every compound they make, but we've never tried these.

Here they are on my truck...

It's interesting to me that these will take a stud. If they do, there's no way they're as soft as Bridgestone Blizzak compound. The tread blocks on mine are so soft that you can peel them open with your fingers....they'd hold a stud for about one revolution.

Doesn't look like Cooper sells online...only through dealers, I guess.

Lawn boy you are the man. I forgot the most important thing that I forgot to think about... The fact I may add a plow this winter or next depending on my new business. that would need for me to have a plow so the blizzak are out due to load rating. These do look very nice, cannot believe i am thinking about going with a cooper......

You mentioned they are great in deep snow, living in northern maine we get our share (depending on mother natures pattern, either you guys get in in the south or we get it) So you feel very confident when you run your plow angled to much and the tire is in the fresh that you do not get stuck? Been there and embarrased before due to driver (me) not looking out window to see where plow was in relation to tire. :badidea: I noticed you have a 9'2 plow i will probably go with the 8'2 fisher v - plow. that 9'2 is huge and heavy and i cannot justify extra $$$ if not doing it for money or have alot of property to clear out. Thanks for the input!!!!! You guys rock!!!:ro) :ro) :ro)

Lawn boy you are the man.
No, not really.....but if you insist! :p:
These do look very nice, cannot believe i am thinking about going with a cooper......
I used to find myself buying tires for the name or what the raised white letters said (beckon back to the '80's and the white letters out BFG's -:t ) now I buy tires for what I need them to do.

You mentioned they are great in deep snow, living in northern maine we get our share (depending on mother natures pattern, either you guys get in in the south or we get it) So you feel very confident when you run your plow angled to much and the tire is in the fresh that you do not get stuck?
With a 9'2" plow, its just about impossible to get a tire in unplowed snow :exactly:
But, yes driving on unplowed roads in 12"+ deep snow has never been this easy. If you look closely, you can see the angled lugs (helps clean out the snow each revolution) are actually grooved as well, as is the sidewall. Lots of biting surface in places you never thought were there!

I noticed you have a 9'2 plow i will probably go with the 8'2 fisher v - plow. that 9'2 is huge and heavy and i cannot justify extra $$$ if not doing it for money or have alot of property to clear out.

Yeah, your from Maine....don't they shoot guys up there that DON'T have a FISHER?:snipersmi
Really, the 9'2" wasn't all that heavier than the 8'2" (68lbs to be exact for the BOSS and only 62lbs for the Fisher)

If I had to buy another plow right now though, it would likely be a Blizzard.


Glad I could help.

lawnboy,

HA, HA that is great, yes i wish we could shoot all people that do not have fisher plows. :ro) I like to stay with a local company that employs maine people and pays maine taxes. :D Yes we are all a little fierce by trying to support ourselves. :whip: it is and always has been the maine way of life i guess. but the chevy dealer (boss distributor) here sells alot of boss plows and a lot of trucks compared to f*rd dealer. :smashfrea They sell boss first and fisher second if the customer requests it.

How is your boss plow holding up? I assume you plow for a living in winter. Have heard different opinions on both boss and fisher. Curious what your was?
I have seen 1 or 2 blizzard plows here but obviously it is fisher and boss as that is what the new auto dealers stock and sell.

There really isn't enough time for me to tell you how I really feel about different plows.

Where I live it's 80% Meyer, 10%Western, 5% Boss, 4% Fisher and the rest being "others" (Curtis, Blizzard, etc). Meyer is to snowplows here like Rats are to NYC. That being said, I was brought up on Meyer, as back then it was only Meyer, Western, Fisher. Back then Fishers were too heavy and slow, Westerns weren't as strongly built, and that left many with Meyer.

Then along came Boss. They revolutionized the V-Plow. Bought my first in 1993, and havent had anything else since. My new Boss is built very well, and VERY fast! This time around, I was VERY close to buying a Blizzard. However without a local dealer, and with GM giving me $900 to buy a plow, I went with Boss again. Had Blizzard have developed a stronger dealer base, I'd be using one.

I will NEVER go back to a straight blade. (Unless all I were to plow were streets and roads). I don't have anything major against Fisher/Western V's, if anything, they're slower and a bit heavier in weight. Plus, they were between controllers, and I really like the Boss handheld controller. Hookup w/ the Boss is super easy, as most manufacturers are today. No more laying under the bumper putting pins in and hooking up chains.

Hope this helps, if not there are several good forums similar to this one just for snowplowing. You could search and read for days!