I was reading the new issue of Diesel Power Magazine and saw an article about the 2.5 & 2.8 liter diesel. GM has said that the engines are a world wide project, which means they should be vailable in the US sooner than later. Hopefully they will be here right after the Cruze Diesel arrives, we will just have to wait and see.

I hope 2. That would be awesome along with a diesel halfton and Tahoe!!

Most likely will depend if they can pass emission requirements on the least amount of equipment to meet that here in the US. Try to keep the cost down to sell.

Brian

i think 2014 for US/Canada. I can't wait! If it's gonna be to much I will prob get a 2009+ VW. THey are really changing up the stlye/look of them and they are really growing on me!

My question is and alway's will be how can a diesel engine getting 13-17 miles to a gallion pass emissions and a diesel getting 40 plus miles to the gallion have a problem.
I think the problem is that it would hurt the whores at the oil company.
Lets burn more so the oil companies can boast about BIGGER profits.

Will these engines be made in the USA?

Will these engines be made in the USA?

like everything else i hope its made in north america but seeing as how it is currently being used elsewhere i doubt it it will be made here.

Don't know if there's anything new about them. Isuzu has been making diesels that size for a long time.

Its a big steep for GM. I dont think there has been a diesel in a half ton or smaller since the 6.2 and 6.5 in the 1500. I know ford and toyota had small diesel's in the ranger and yota pick up in the mid-late 80s but its been about 20 years now since we have seen a small truck with a diesel in the usa. I am very excited for one :)

I don't think these will be offered in pick ups, just the cruze as far as I know. This platform has proved it's self over seas and I look forward to having one in my driveway no matter where it's made

Cruze is getting 2.0L.

If you watch Top Gear on the BBC you'll see that everyone makes little diesels already. Its just the us doesn't have them. Its kind of annoying that we don't/can't. The diesel fiesta is much better on gas the diesel Subaru is amazing with a twin Turbo set up

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GM has several small diesels throughout the world. Just not in Canada/USA.

Does GM still own Opel? They use diesels in their entire lineup of cars.

I think the colorado will be offered with the 2.5 or 2.8.

I would serially consider that if it wad 35mpg +

I'm pretty sure you are correct. A buddy of mine works for GMC and he went to a meeting in KC a while back and told me about these and I believe he said they'd be in the Colorado/Canyon.

I think the colorado will be offered with the 2.5 or 2.8.

I would serially consider that if it wad 35mpg +

it would be pretty nice:) especially if EFILIVE does some of there magic :rocking:

it would be pretty nice:) especially if EFILIVE does some of there magic :rocking:

Doubt it with the trouble they are having with the lml computers being locked.

Ryan

the diesel cruze is gonna be in lordstown, oh... good for lordstown

it would be pretty nice:) especially if EFILIVE does some of there magic :rocking:

i wouldnt hold my hand over my ass.

From what I've heard, the reason we don't have the diesels over here is because our fuel sucks. I have a couple friends from overseas and they say that our diesel fuel is basically farm grade over in Europe.

I think it's funny how our fuel can be so much different from there's. Why wouldn't it be the same no matter where you are?

Not true. Diesel here is more refined than Europe. Emissions are more strict here requiring the fuel to be more refined to burn cleaner.


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Not true. Diesel here is more refined than Europe. Emissions are more strict here requiring the fuel to be more refined to burn cleaner.


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I don't get where you have the idea american diesel is more refined than euro diesel. The specifications are exactly the same. The only difference in fuels I have seen is you have different grades of gas, 87, 89 & 92. we only have access to 95 here apart from a very select few BP stations that actually sell 102 octane on the pump.

Ultra-low-sulfur diesel (ULSD, also spelled “sulphur” in British English (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_differences)) is a term used to describe diesel fuel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_fuel) with substantially lowered sulfur (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfur) content. As of 2006, almost all of the petroleum-based diesel fuel available in Europe and North America is of a ULSD type

I don't get where you have the idea american diesel is more refined than euro diesel. The specifications are exactly the same. The only difference in fuels I have seen is you have different grades of gas, 87, 89 & 92. we only have access to 95 here apart from a very select few BP stations that actually sell 102 octane on the pump.

Ultra-low-sulfur diesel (ULSD, also spelled “sulphur” in British English (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_differences)) is a term used to describe diesel fuel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_fuel) with substantially lowered sulfur (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfur) content. As of 2006, almost all of the petroleum-based diesel fuel available in Europe and North America is of a ULSD type

I have done a testing on European diesels for cadillac, opel, saab, and chevy europe products. The euro diesel is unique and you cannot run us diesel in euro engines. It will damage the engine and/or exhaust systems. I'm not an engine engineer or fuel specialist but, I had to replace some engine and exhaust components in the past. We had to ship in 55 gal drums of euro diesel and use a hand pump. It sucked. Saying all ulsd is same is like saying all 5w30 is the same.

FYI

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2011/10/first-drive-global-2012-chevrolet-colorado.html

That is hands down the ugliest truck I have ever seen!

What did that truck run into????

my guess is the ugly tree and hit every damn branch with that front end!

Well I can tell you from my experience, I ran my truck on both us / uk diesel and noticed absolutely no difference.

I have also ran us / uk biodiesel too

I thought you could get the Colorado with the 2.8? And prior to that special order it in s10s...

I have done a testing on European diesels for cadillac, opel, saab, and chevy europe products. The euro diesel is unique and you cannot run us diesel in euro engines. It will damage the engine and/or exhaust systems. I'm not an engine engineer or fuel specialist but, I had to replace some engine and exhaust components in the past. We had to ship in 55 gal drums of euro diesel and use a hand pump. It sucked. Saying all ulsd is same is like saying all 5w30 is the same.


I do not understand your statement

I own diesels from Italy 2ea and Germany also 2ea and 1ea from Japan. They all run on the same fuel that we all do

Not true. Diesel here is more refined than Europe. Emissions are more strict here requiring the fuel to be more refined to burn cleaner.

Not true. I've talked to a few more people and some car salesmen and it is true that our diesel fuel is not as good as over there. The diesel over there is actually double refined and for ours to be the same wouldn't cost that much more to do.

Not true. I've talked to a few more people and some car salesmen and it is true that our diesel fuel is not as good as over there. The diesel over there is actually double refined and for ours to be the same wouldn't cost that much more to do.

The salesman I bought my truck from said it gets 25mpg on the interstate.
Salesmen--- lmfao

What I can't understand is why america exports gas and diesel and also buys it back in??? Just seems rather daft to sell something your making and then buy it back.

From what I have read, there is no difference in the diesel specifications.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/did-america-become-net-fuel-181526486.html

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0CYH/is_13_6/ai_88759244/

What I can't understand is why america exports gas and diesel and also buys it back in??? Just seems rather daft to sell something your making and then buy it back.

From what I have read, there is no difference in the diesel specifications.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/did-america-become-net-fuel-181526486.html

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0CYH/is_13_6/ai_88759244/
Boothy, mate, now do u see y I drink,

Boothy, mate, now do u see y I drink,

If your having a drink, I'll have one too ;) Just don't try to keep up as many have tried and failed.

I think the crap is gonna hit the fan here in the UK as one of the biggest oil refineries has just been closed due to the owner filing for bankruptcy (can't see how or why as everybody buys fuel, but it's owned by a swiss company) and another refinery has been blockaded due to tanker drivers claiming employer is wanting to cut their wages by 20%

I don't like conspiracy theories as they give me a headache and force me to drink more:secret:

I really don't think the new Colorado looks that ugly.Really happy we're getting a small displacement diesel here in the US.

Since no one answered the first time... Weren't diesel colorados already available here in the u.s.?

Since no one answered the first time... Weren't diesel colorados already available here in the u.s.?

No. Izusu diesel s10/hombres haven't been available since the early 90's gen trucks

My question is and alway's will be how can a diesel engine getting 13-17 miles to a gallion pass emissions and a diesel getting 40 plus miles to the gallion have a problem.
I think the problem is that it would hurt the whores at the oil company.
Lets burn more so the oil companies can boast about BIGGER profits.


AMEN !!! Nuf Said !

From what I have read, there is no difference in the diesel specifications.

Europe requires 8PPM ULSD max and we are 15PPM

Key phrase "max". It is believed that US refineries aren't making two different ULSD recipes in order to have flexible ULSD inventories. Ship it to Europe or use it here. West Texas Intermediate is easier to make ULSD which is why we are exporting so much -- mainly Europe.

So guess what, we are running 8PPM in our trucks and thinking it is 15.

When I found this out, I decided to run additive year-round. The Government or refineries won't cover your failed engine components (nor do they care). In fact, environmentalists think of Diesel vehicles as those sooty spewing city buses from the 70's and would absolutely LOVE to pour engine seize in every one of them (ala cash for clunkers). Meanwhile, Urea, giant trumpet tipped exhausts, and poor fuel economy is a band-aid fix to achieve "clean Diesel".

I don't see the day when we will ever get sensible EPA policy out of Washington. It's one bad idea with unintended consequences after another until we are ruined.

/rant

hmmm.... now that would be interesting to get some kind of "official" evidence on.

hmmm.... now that would be interesting to get some kind of "official" evidence on.

This is good enough for me (link may be a few years old):

"The transition to ULSD has been relatively smooth with more than 95% of the on-road diesel fuel meeting the ULSD standard with an average sulfur content of 7 - 8 ppm sulfur."

(Retail sampling survey chart link #2 2006-2009)

I have no doubt nothing has changed. There is no incentive to raise sulfur, but to standardize it under 8 PPM for export to Europe. Nevertheless, any new Diesel engines engineered for the US market will take this 8 PPM into account. It's our older trucks that I am concerned about.

http://www.truckline.com/ADVISSUES/ENERGY/Pages/UltraLowSulfurDiesel.aspx

http://www.truckline.com/AdvIssues/Energy/Ultra%20Low%20Sulfur%20Diesel%20%20QA/Ultra%20Low%20Sulfur%20Diesel%20Consortium%20Surve y%202006%20-%202009%20%28third%20quarter%202009%29.pdf

The cold, hard truth...Europe requires 8PPM ULSD max and we are 15PPM

Key phrase "max". It is believed that US refineries aren't making two different ULSD recipes in order to have flexible ULSD inventories. Ship it to Europe or use it here. West Texas Intermediate is easier to make ULSD which is why we are exporting so much -- mainly Europe.

So guess what, we are running 8PPM in our trucks and thinking it is 15.

When I found this out, I decided to run additive year-round. The Government or refineries won't cover your failed engine components (nor do they care). In fact, environmentalists think of Diesel vehicles as those sooty spewing city buses from the 70's and would absolutely LOVE to pour engine seize in every one of them (ala cash for clunkers). Meanwhile, Urea, giant trumpet tipped exhausts, and poor fuel economy is a band-aid fix to achieve "clean Diesel".

I don't see the day when we will ever get sensible EPA policy out of Washington. It's one bad idea with unintended consequences after another until we are ruined.

/rant

I was in Wallyworld last night and I picked up the latest copy of Diesel World magazine. In there it said that the diesel mills for these trucks aren't coming to north america but I can't find anything online about it. Does anyone know anything different?

North American cetane level's are lower vis-a-vis European cetane level's.

For example, diesel's that are imported from Japan to Canada can have their ECU's re-programmed to run properly with lower cetane diesel.

I have a long time friend that works for Toyota/Lexus Canada, and he has confirmed this a few different times.

it is a pitty,
GM has sold small diesel engines in Europe for at least 20 years that I remember.
Over there they had a brand call OPEL and sold small cars with diesel engines(1.8-2.6L) like all brands oversees.
Even mercedes, audi, bmw have top notch turbodiesels sport cars oversees but don't sell them here.
It has to be some political BS the only explanation why we don't have them here.

the oil companies, stated they would produce 8ppm for safety factor in fuel tank testing as heavy fines for exceeding 15ppm. so thats no big surprise. seems epa makes tighter and harder rules for diesel vehicles, like has been said, epa and their friends hate diesels even though they are not the same as years before. ford and gm are working on spec fuel with shell and chevron (part diesel and gas) on direct injection engines, same benefits as diesel but still gas engine to sneak past epa with less costly treatment components.

What ever happened to CNG/Diesel. I know several companies were working on it. that mix sounded very interesting.

What ever happened to CNG/Diesel. I know several companies were working on it. that mix sounded very interesting.


It's still around.The University of Vermont runs their busses on it.Not sure what modifications are necessary.

I like what I've read about it. I hope someone can make it a viable product readily available to the general public.

The reason why European automotive diesels are not sold here is that, in the US, diesels in this market have to meet the same emissions standards as gasoline engines. It costs too much to redesign these engines for our market. Also with the price of diesel and the "normal" American dead set against them, they can't make a business case to offer them.

As for the CNG/diesel, Navistar is developing a 13L with Clean Air Power that should be out in a couple of years.

I'm more interested in the development of combined CNG/DIESEL FUEL than the trucks at this point. Not much sense in talking about new vehicles . Our current diesels can be converted to CNG/DIESEL FUEL with less pollution and better fuel economy at a reasonable cost. Lets get the fuel developed and refined and a distribution system in place first, IMHO.

grayfox, your last post makes it look like CNG/diesel is a fuel blend. They are seperate fuels that require seperate tanks. Each fuel is available now. Though, they are still ramping up production and distribution of CNG.

Yes, absolutely a blend. Reportedly less expensive, less pollution and better fuel economy.

http://www.cngmotors.com/Home_Page.html

grayfox, your last post makes it look like CNG/diesel is a fuel blend. They are seperate fuels that require seperate tanks. Each fuel is available now. Though, they are still ramping up production and distribution of CNG.


Here's is what I'm talking about'

http://www.bizjournals.com/albuquerque/stories/2007/04/09/story5.html?page=2

The cngmotors link is a dual fuel conversion, not blend. These conversions add CNG pressure tanks and components to a diesel engine. You can run CNG or diesel, not both. NG has much lower specifc energy than diesel or gasoline, so diesel is still there to extend driving range or when there isn't a refueling station near. The Navistar engine I talked about earlier, injects CNG and diesel fuel from seperate tanks at a 85/15 ratio.

I don't have premium access to the bizjournals link, so I can't see the article. It looks like it would be interesting. It does show a machine that uses sound waves to liquify NG.

When you see cng / diesel hybrid engines, they use a small amount of diesel to ignite the mixture, cng is like gasoline, it either needs a spark to ignite which is what they use in a dedicated cng engine, or compression ignition courtesy of a small amount of diesel injected at the same as the cng.

The one link looks like a CNG to diesel conversion plant. In the end, it's $5/gallon so there's no free lunch for consumers. The nice thing would be producing diesel fuel, jobs, and avoiding sending money to the middle east.

The one link looks like a CNG to diesel conversion plant. In the end, it's $5/gallon so there's no free lunch for consumers. The nice thing would be producing diesel fuel, jobs, and avoiding sending money to the middle east.

Amen to that!!!