Yep thats right maching has started on the first aluminum duramax block, and its another first for us and the d-max world. the bore, stroke and deck hight have been changed to impliment better components and a better set up of the rotating assyembly. the lifter and oil passages are also going to be changed along with a few other minor changes.

The block will weight about 150lbs and will have fastners TQ will be the same as top fuel specs.

i will be posting pictures as progress continues.
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here is the first pic of the big and heavy aluminum block before machining ;)

:cool::D

How much does a block of aluminum that big cost ?
And what kind is it ?
I had a friend get me a piece of extruded 3/4 x6 piece of scrap off of a military base, I can hardly drill through it, its like hardened tool steel. brings a whole new mindset set to what aluminum is, and can be .

the bore, stroke and deck hight have been changed to impliment better components and a better set up of the rotating assyembly. the lifter and oil passages are also going to be changed along with a few other minor changes.

So then why are you calling it a duramax

x2

How much does a block of aluminum that big cost ?
And what kind is it ?
I had a friend get me a piece of extruded 3/4 x6 piece of scrap off of a military base, I can hardly drill through it, its like hardened tool steel. brings a whole new mindset set to what aluminum is, and can be .


The bare aluminum chunk cost about 3K.

IIRC it is a special 2026 grade aluminum--much better strength at temperature VS 7000 or 6000 series.

yes high grade aluminum is pretty tough!

So then why are you calling it a duramax


Because it is a duramax.

it still can utilize, stock heads, studs, waterpump, front cover, rear cover, lifters, pistons, crank, rods, bearings, oilpan, oil pump, and everything else it came with from the factory....

Thats why.

Are you done yet....?

finish date will be end of january. one more month to go.......:D

More questions,
Turbo , turbos ?
Compression ratio ?
What do you expect to get out of it , Hp/Torque.
And of course a real newbi question, what kind of fuel are you limited to, is this roadside diesel, type of jetfuel or what ?
And what's it getting injected with ? No2,H2O meth,propane, or all of the above ?

More questions,
Turbo , turbos ?
Compression ratio ?
What do you expect to get out of it , Hp/Torque.
And of course a real newbi question, what kind of fuel are you limited to, is this roadside diesel, type of jetfuel or what ?
And what's it getting injected with ? No2,H2O meth,propane, or all of the above ?

More questions,
Turbo , turbos ?
Compression ratio ?
What do you expect to get out of it , Hp/Torque.
And of course a real newbi question, what kind of fuel are you limited to, is this roadside diesel, type of jetfuel or what ?
And what's it getting injected with ? No2,H2O meth,propane, or all of the above ?


Lots of questions there...

2 turbo's
CR= --not too far from stock
HP= -- 1000+
i run regular #2 and nitrous

Ok, last one, howmany RPM's are you turning to make that much power ?

I have a 98' 6.5TD, since your cr is close to stock, if I add 1more turbo, could I make 800 ish horse power?















Just /joking

Yep thats right maching has started on the first aluminum duramax block, and its another first for us and the d-max world.
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As if using aluminum rods wasn't earthshaking-momentous enough. And now another "first"......aren't you mr. wonderful though!

As if using aluminum rods wasn't earthshaking-momentous enough. And now another "first"......aren't you mr. wonderful though!


Just something else to add to our list of first's for the diesel world ;)

Someone had to be first, like all the other first's, were proud of this one too!

No need to act jelous about it, this is a great thing for the diesel community.

Ok, last one, howmany RPM's are you turning to make that much power ?

I have a 98' 6.5TD, since your cr is close to stock, if I add 1more turbo, could I make 800 ish horse power?





Just /joking




in the last year we have turned 5800 RPM, but in the end it was about 5300rpm, and the reason was we had a dead cylinder.

this block wont change the RPM ability much, but we have a new controller in the works that may.

Nice :) Soon it will be a wheel standing Duramax!! If you are able, can you record an audio clip when you fire it up. Soon to be sold in all of the fine diesel performance shops everywhere, Hopefully....

why do you need a billet aluminum block to make 1000hp?

why do you need a billet aluminum block to make 1000hp?


You dont.

But one will when trying to cross the bridge we are. We are going to push this new engine as far as it is possible.

Nice :) Soon it will be a wheel standing Duramax!! If you are able, can you record an audio clip when you fire it up. Soon to be sold in all of the fine diesel performance shops everywhere, Hopefully....


It would carry the front wheels with the cast iron block...with the new block it will just go a bit further.

Yes i am contemplating a complete engine build thread for the few naysayers out there...just to prove a point. Even though all my builds are proprietary, im giving this some thought.

No need to act jelous about it, this is a great thing for the diesel community.

That's right.....everybody's jealous of you. But that's ok.....you'll be an icon in the diesel community. For centuries. Hell, you're already a legend in your own mind.

That's right.....everybody's jealous of you. But that's ok.....you'll be an icon in the diesel community. For centuries. Hell, you're already a legend in your own mind.


No not everyone, just a few that feel the need to make stupid comments in every thread i start.....kinda like a stalker....just a bit weird, ya know?


Me a icon, no not really. I just set goals and achieve them

No not everyone, just a few that feel the need to make stupid comments in every thread i start.....kinda like a stalker....just a bit weird, ya know?


Me a icon, no not really. I just set goals and achieve them

EVERY thread you start? If you're talking about me, not hardly. Not even close. But I've read your crap for a long time..... "just a bit weird" doesn't come close to describing you. Full of **** is more like it.

EVERY thread you start? If you're talking about me, not hardly. Not even close. But I've read your crap for a long time..... "just a bit weird" doesn't come close to describing you. Full of **** is more like it.


see there ya go...just cant help yourself. your just a typical bangwagon jumper, i've never had personal or bussiness dealing with you, so how would you know who or what i am really about? You dont have a clue.


BTW how can you be full of crap when you do everything you say you will?

Kinda like talking the talk and then walking the walk.....that describes me pretty well.

unless you have something usefull to add, get out of my thread.

What your doing is called baiting, and aggrevating and off topic.

:popcorn:

Subd, sub'd sub'd!!!!

Can't wait to see where the build goes.

1) see there ya go...just cant help yourself. your just a typical bangwagon jumper, i've never had personal or bussiness dealing with you, so how would you know who or what i am really about? You dont have a clue.

2) BTW how can you be full of crap when you do everything you say you will? Kinda like talking the talk and then walking the walk.....that describes me pretty well.

3)unless you have something usefull to add, get out of my thread.
What your doing is called baiting, and aggrevating and off topic.



1) I have way more of a clue than you know.

2) What describes you is......self-absorbed egotist who thinks he's all that and constantly brags on himself. How many forums have you been kicked out of?

3) So how many threads have you been into - with nothing to add - "baiting, aggravating and off topic?" Don't want people in your thread, don't post, or tame your ego.

1) I have way more of a clue than you know.

2) What describes you is......self-absorbed egotist who thinks he's all that and constantly brags on himself. How many forums have you been kicked out of?

3) So how many threads have you been into - with nothing to add - "baiting, aggravating and off topic?" Don't want people in your thread, don't post, or tame your ego.


i have no ego, i just build stuff that no one else has...and try and let people know about them. Did not a thread get started about steel pistons???.......guess the author has a ego and is self absorbed......but thats besides the point.

if you think i have ego or whatever the latest bandwagon is preaching then dont look at my threads.........you make ZERO sence.

What have i ever done wrong to you?

You must hae peed in his cherios !

Pro Stock RCR,
I think it is great that you have the equipment and knowledge to take a hunk of metal and make it into a block. I look forward to seeing the finished product. Not sure of the weight savings, but I'm sure that you know, and I know enough about drag racing to know that the easiest horsepower to gain is weight loss. Please keep us posted on your progress.
Frank

If you can do it I'm sure the big 3 can do it any reason why they didn't use aluminum blocks, they always cry the blues about saving weight and please dont tell me it's about money......

I can remember when the first Dmax came out people swore up and down the aluminum heads on a iron block that it wouldn't work because the metals expand and contract at different rates:blahblah:

I'll take 2 please.

i have no ego, i just build stuff that no one else has...and try and let people know about them. Did not a thread get started about steel pistons???.......guess the author has a ego and is self absorbed......but that's besides the point.

if you think i have ego or whatever the latest bandwagon is preaching then don't look at my threads.........you make ZERO sense.

What have i ever done wrong to you?

You didn't do anything to him, that is just the way he is.

Pretty cool stuff, will keep an eye on the progress.

Play nice boys.

So the thread on McRats dried up and here we are............................

So the thread on McRats dried up and here we are............................

Wade was banned ;)

Wade was banned ;)

No...........Not again :eek: .............

Wade was banned ;)

More like went to hell! :lol:

No...........Not again :eek: .............

He's got like 4 screenames that he's used so he can come back and try to talk about himself:rolleyes:

Pro Stock RCR,
I think it is great that you have the equipment and knowledge to take a hunk of metal and make it into a block. I look forward to seeing the finished product. Not sure of the weight savings, but I'm sure that you know, and I know enough about drag racing to know that the easiest horsepower to gain is weight loss. Please keep us posted on your progress.
Frank

He's not even making them, another company http://cnblocks.com/index.html is the manufacture.

You didn't do anything to him, that is just the way he is.
I think you'll find there are a lot of people who don't think very highly of Wade.

Nice..

The guy just doesn't quit. Never seen a person so intent on being a gloryhound.

Being a "wade" is soon gonna become another urban dictionary term.....

He's not even making them, another company http://cnblocks.com/index.html is the manufacture.


Wrong!

CN wouldent get motivated to build them, so i went somewhere else. ;)

The guy just doesn't quit. Never seen a person so intent on being a gloryhound.

Being a "wade" is soon gonna become another urban dictionary term.....



Gloryhound.....What,are you blind?

This is innovative, why wouldent anyone post about it?

You guys are just jelous, at least it seems like that....always worried about what WADES doing....Stalkers....:rolleyes:

Gloryhound.....What,are you blind?

This is innovative, why wouldent anyone post about it?

You guys are just jelous, at least it seems like that....always worried about what WADES doing....Stalkers....:rolleyes:

Here we go again.:rolleyes:

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. How do I un subscribe?

You guys are just jelous, at least it seems like that....always worried about what WADES doing....Stalkers....:rolleyes:

jealous? Worried about what wade's doing? STALKERS? You really really like to flatter yourself dont you?

Heres the thing, this is no where near a new idea, and it was bound to come eventually, your no more the great inovator than i am albert einstein. The only thing that has held this back is that any legitimate buisness that has the ability to machiene these blocks also knows the cost involved in doing so, and realizes that there has to be a big enough market to support said costs. The market for hotrod duramax parts is still a bit of a niche at this point, however growing. The sales of an aluminum duramax block will only be a fraction of those of say an aluminum motown-x from world castings for a bigblock chevy build. And those still cost almost 5 bills. So what do you suppose these duramax blocks are gonna cost? Given the fact that rods cost at least 5 times as much as those for a mild chevy block build...yeah, not what most of us can afford. The companies who produce things like this understand that and know that if they build it and no one can afford it....guess what? They wont make any money!! Therefore, unless there is sufficient demad for it there is no point in someone making it unless a customer comes in with the cash in hand and wants it.

Dont get me wrong, i would love one of these as weight is the only thing stopping me from putting a duramax in my play rig, but i will not pay $10000 dollars for that. Ill stick with my small block for that much money.

I hadn't read about this until the other day, irrelevant of who's idea it is or who is making the block. I was glad to see a post about it so I can read about new ideas and concepts.

Since this isn't a standard Duramax Block, it seems pretty innovative to me.

OP... Who came up with the design?

Certainly, im not anything special, never claimed to be better than anyone eather. I just like to do thing different than most. I also enjoy telling folks about new ideas and products. Ive been told from some forum members about engine building, nitrous, and race car set up.. that i was doing things wrong, but I have been blessed with a God given knowledge and understanding of how things work and i enjoy thinking of how to make things better than they are. I have a back ground in engineering and automotive, so concept, design and final product completion are nothing new to me.

It just so happens that i have been first to build a few innovative diesel parts for the cummins and the duramax, and the concept and ideas have been proven to work. this proves that my "line of thinking " is not off base as some would say i am. Some hate me for my success in the face of there opposition. Thats fine because (God willing) i will not stop doing what i love.

Along the way as a younger man i have met, worked for and listened to some of the best minds in the engine building and racing world. these ideas and examples have pushed me to pursue success in the diesel world.

If i have offended anyone im sorry and i certainly dont mean any harm, forgive me if you will. One must understand that i am confident in my abilities and achievments, dont mystake this for an ego.

But my point was to say that i was created by GOD just as you are, no better no worse. Just doing what i love to do....Build things and go fast!

jealous? Worried about what wade's doing? STALKERS? You really really like to flatter yourself dont you?

Heres the thing, this is no where near a new idea, and it was bound to come eventually, your no more the great inovator than i am albert einstein. The only thing that has held this back is that any legitimate buisness that has the ability to machiene these blocks also knows the cost involved in doing so, and realizes that there has to be a big enough market to support said costs. The market for hotrod duramax parts is still a bit of a niche at this point, however growing. The sales of an aluminum duramax block will only be a fraction of those of say an aluminum motown-x from world castings for a bigblock chevy build. And those still cost almost 5 bills. So what do you suppose these duramax blocks are gonna cost? Given the fact that rods cost at least 5 times as much as those for a mild chevy block build...yeah, not what most of us can afford. The companies who produce things like this understand that and know that if they build it and no one can afford it....guess what? They wont make any money!! Therefore, unless there is sufficient demad for it there is no point in someone making it unless a customer comes in with the cash in hand and wants it.

Dont get me wrong, i would love one of these as weight is the only thing stopping me from putting a duramax in my play rig, but i will not pay $10000 dollars for that. Ill stick with my small block for that much money.


Exactly, just like aftermarket pistons, rods, bearings,turbo's, programmers,fluids and transmissions, Right?

X2 on the expensive part, i have thought many times to just get into gasser building/racing, but this is where i was led.

I hadn't read about this until the other day, irrelevant of who's idea it is or who is making the block. I was glad to see a post about it so I can read about new ideas and concepts.

Since this isn't a standard Duramax Block, it seems pretty innovative to me.

OP... Who came up with the design?


The basic shape is a v-8 duramax diesel, the design changes i have come up with and implimented are based on the last few years of testing with cast iron engines we have built and include the deck hight, bore diameter, lifter size and shape, main cap size, stud size and lenght, bearing clearance, and overall thickness in certain areas of the block. it is also solid, no water.

Hopefully with all these changes everything will play out well together. It looks great on paper, but that dont get you down the track...;)

The basic shape is a v-8 duramax diesel, the design changes i have come up with and implimented are based on the last few years of testing with cast iron engines we have built and include the deck hight, bore diameter, lifter size and shape, main cap size, stud size and lenght, bearing clearance, and overall thickness in certain areas of the block. it is also solid, no water.

Hopefully with all these changes everything will play out well together. It looks great on paper, but that dont get you down the track...;)

Wade, this is where people get short with you. I, me, my, there is never anyone else given credit with you. There is never a colaboration, a meeting with the producing company, or anything like that. Its "i came up with a new design, look!" very very rarely does that happen in the world with things that youre claiming, and usually if it does, its done by someone obscure who no one has heard of and doesnt even want to be known. Doesnt sound like you.

Gloryhound.....What,are you blind?

This is innovative, why wouldent anyone post about it?

You guys are just jelous, at least it seems like that....always worried about what WADES doing....Stalkers....:rolleyes:

If stalking you is reading some of the crap you post on a public forum, then I guess I am. Jealousy has nothing to do with it, more like that "arrogant, better than thou" attitude you pop off with

Wade, this is where people get short with you. I, me, my, there is never anyone else given credit with you. There is never a colaboration, a meeting with the producing company, or anything like that. Its "i came up with a new design, look!" very very rarely does that happen in the world with things that youre claiming, and usually if it does, its done by someone obscure who no one has heard of and doesnt even want to be known. Doesnt sound like you.


He said it best, you take credit for everything, giving nothing to those who have helped you. Your post 3 up from here is the first time I have ever seen you give anything remotely resembling credit to anyone else involved with any of your past, present or future projects. That arrogance can be amusing at times, but when you come off that way about EVERYTHING you do or post, that s**t gets old

Honestly i dont have much help, other than Cory, my mechanic, and johnboy, my tuner. i think of things to change and bounce it off of them frequently to make sure im not off my rocker.

When i go to get something built, i fax in or e-mail a build sheet with all the specs i want, i dont have someone re engineer my ideas, or come up with them for me, if thats what your asking.

So no i dont have anyone making build desicions for me, or coming up with these ideas, that is where my 17 years personal building expirence and 15 years of racing comes in.

Honestly there's nothing to it, just common sence.

in the last year we have turned 5800 RPM, but in the end it was about 5300rpm, and the reason was we had a dead cylinder.

this block wont change the RPM ability much, but we have a new controller in the works that may.


Don't remember reading you lost a cylinder. I was just curious what the failure was?

Enough already with this bickering.......build the motor & post on you tube for Pete's sake!!!!!!!!

Yeah this forum is becoming more and more like a pissing match. I left other forums 4 this reason!

looks pretty slick! Can't wait to see some more pics, please post up :)

Don't remember reading you lost a cylinder. I was just curious what the failure was?

when i tore the engine down initially all looked great untill i got the dial indicator and cross bridge out to measure protrusion.

found that cylinder#5 Was about 12-13 thou lower than i had set it up origonally, the rest were exactly the way i assembled it.

Further inspection reveals that that cylinder got hydro locked, here's what i found.


the cylinder head for that cylinder had a cracked exhaust port that letting water in the bore, i did notice for most of the year that it was eating some water,and had some white smoke on only one side of the engine but said to myself, "let it eat" :D

So honestly i have no idea how long this went on exactly, but im sure the last 10-15 passes, were under powered/ injured.

Also found other smaller issue's, but im not going to get into detail about those.

when i tore the engine down initially all looked great untill i got the dial indicator and cross bridge out to measure protrusion.

found that cylinder#5 Was about 12-13 thou lower than i had set it up origonally, the rest were exactly the way i assembled it.

So your aluminum rods were bent? :eek:

So your aluminum rods were bent? :eek:

Hard to build something that can hold up to being hydro-locked. :p:

You guys are just jelous, at least it seems like that....always worried about what WADES doing....Stalkers....:rolleyes

That's right. Everyone's jealous of you. Or maybe if it seems like that..... you're deluding.

Worried about what you're doing, not hardly.

were are the pics?

So your aluminum rods were bent? :eek:

No, the rods were not bent at all, however the small end was smashed down a few thou, the big end was deformed(egg shaped) the bearing overlay was smashed flat, and the piston pin bore was out of round a few thou too.

the crank and wrist pin looked perfect though...;), still gona get the crank magged..

the bearing manufature says that it takes at least 10,000psi to flatten the bearings like that....

However i have made some changes to prevent some funny wear patturns i found in the rod bearings

updates on the aluminum block can be found here.

http://www.dmaxcentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5689

Hard to build something that can hold up to being hydro-locked. :p:

Wendy (LBZ) really was hydrolocked. In other words, multiple cylinders were full of water. Apparently the thieves removed turbo inlet, and dumped several bottles of water that were in the truck bed, into the running engine. But we emptied the water, and it fired right up.

One of our Bonneville engines (year one) blew a hole the size of a golf ball in the cyl, yet still didn't shorten the rods.

Seems it's pretty hard to hydro a Dmax.

I do like to see a good "handbag" fight:boxing: Take my posting however you like, I don't know you personally and can only go on how you show yourself here.

I would love to see this aluminium block, but it ain't no dmax, It's dmax based and that's it. Just like those guys who machine chucks of steel for cummins blocks. It's a dmax or cummins IF you use an original block.... period

If your really into giving credit where credit is due, who is machining the block for you??? Spread the RESPECT and not just hog it.

You don't even give any credit to your crew. " I " have made changes to this and " I " have made changes to that. Would it be better to say " WE ".
As they say, there is no " I " in "team"

My team is myself and my father. If I don't know I ask


Now I have had my blow off, let's see some pictures and videos as your link doesn't show anything:confused:

It's a dmax or cummins IF you use an original block.... period

LOL........wow.

I do like to see a good "handbag" fight:boxing: Take my posting however you like, I don't know you personally and can only go on how you show yourself here.

I would love to see this aluminium block, but it ain't no dmax, It's dmax based and that's it. Just like those guys who machine chucks of steel for cummins blocks. It's a dmax or cummins IF you use an original block.... period

If your really into giving credit where credit is due, who is machining the block for you??? Spread the RESPECT and not just hog it.

You don't even give any credit to your crew. " I " have made changes to this and " I " have made changes to that. Would it be better to say " WE ".
As they say, there is no " I " in "team"

My team is myself and my father. If I don't know I ask


Now I have had my blow off, let's see some pictures and videos as your link doesn't show anything:confused:

There is no I in team but there is a Me:p:

There is no I in team but there is a Me:p:


I saw him on Talladega nights.:rolleyes:

Physical updates! In stages

Can I have 1st dibs on all the aluminum shavings ?

So who's doing the machining???

I'll be curious to see how good the main bearing life is with this. Are you having two made at the same time, or is that a different type of block in the background?

I'm gonna guess that with a solid block , meaning no water jackets, that it will take a little more punishmentv than an average aluminum cast engine block with water jackets.
Generally , these types of engines only run 1 pass at a time. Not trailering a 5th wheel across contry.
I love the idea of this build, I love GM.
But if I where to to something like this , I might not use GM's duramax dimensions. I just don't have the warm fuzzy feeling. That this is the way to go.
I hope I'm Wrong , As a GM fan , please prove me wrong !
And again , can I have the shavings from the milling machine ?
Its got to be a couple hundred pounds of clean aluminum.

I'll be curious to see how good the main bearing life is with this. Are you having two made at the same time, or is that a different type of block in the background?


Accualy 4 are being made at the same time, two are identcle to my specs and two are another vendors specs.

Main bearing wear will be better than before due to the more rigid block design/ higher clamp load and the thicker saddle area.

When we used aluminum blocks in gasser racing vs cast iron we acually saw less issu'es, my assumption is that it was due to the increased clearance at opperating temp, which would be the case here as well.

Main bearing wear in our old cast block was perfect, i would say that was due to the correct clearance and internal ballance, along with much lighter internals.

Hopefully it will work out just as planned.

I'm gonna guess that with a solid block , meaning no water jackets, that it will take a little more punishmentv than an average aluminum cast engine block with water jackets.
Generally , these types of engines only run 1 pass at a time. Not trailering a 5th wheel across contry.
I love the idea of this build, I love GM.
But if I where to to something like this , I might not use GM's duramax dimensions. I just don't have the warm fuzzy feeling. That this is the way to go.
I hope I'm Wrong , As a GM fan , please prove me wrong !
And again , can I have the shavings from the milling machine ?
Its got to be a couple hundred pounds of clean aluminum.

Everything was intended to be modeled after top fuel specs with some deviation, much better than cast in every aspect.

My cast block was solid with no water and we hot lapped that many times, but correct combination and tuning plays the biggest role there.

shavings are not for sale---too much money there!!!:D

I can see that you are avoiding my question. at least Greg Hogue replied to my questions.

I can see that you are avoiding my question. at least Greg Hogue replied to my questions.


Greg hough has no idea who or what im doing, unless he been calling everyone that knows me asking for answers....i would say he is that kind of guy...


im not ignoring you.

what did greg tell you?

Ok since you are taking questions about being a premadona in the billet aluminum block club, what temp is considered crucial and cridical to run, and you said you ran hot laps with previos blocks/ engines.
Obviosly you have to have them warmed up to do a pull . What temp. ?
And how hot does it get after a pull ?
I just can't imagine shoving that much fuel into a combustion chamber , and not getting hot enough to soften , then come apart.
Then how long does it take to cool down enough to run a second pull, do you use water , a fan ?
These should not be proprietary answers. If you feel they are, give some round about numbers to give us a general idea how it goes with a solid block.

Ok since you are taking questions about being a premadona in the billet aluminum block club, what temp is considered crucial and cridical to run, and you said you ran hot laps with previos blocks/ engines.
Obviosly you have to have them warmed up to do a pull . What temp. ?
And how hot does it get after a pull ?
I just can't imagine shoving that much fuel into a combustion chamber , and not getting hot enough to soften , then come apart.
Then how long does it take to cool down enough to run a second pull, do you use water , a fan ?
These should not be proprietary answers. If you feel they are, give some round about numbers to give us a general idea how it goes with a solid block.


under 120* is crucial, yes we do warm ups. we see no more than 190* at the end of a run. we run water in the heads for now.

The block wont soften and come apart, they have sleeves.

Greg hough has no idea who or what im doing, unless he been calling everyone that knows me asking for answers....i would say he is that kind of guy...


im not ignoring you.

what did greg tell you?

:soapbox:

I didn't say what I asked greg OR asked anything about YOU. I don't know you. All I said was I spoke to greg and he answered my questions. I don't go to other vendors to get inside information about another vendor or their top secret projects. I asked you one question and you answered everyone but me. What is so secret?

All I can see is your one of those people that like to take ALL THE CREDIT for all your achievements. I like to give credit where credit is due.

I would love to see this lightweight Dmax replica up, running and winning, but then the evil side of me would love to see you crank it up and blow it's self apart , not injuring anyone apart from your " i'm #1 halo "


I'll just sit back, feet up with a beer in my hand and wait till be get a picture or video of the explosion and the call for:help2: goes out.

:soapbox:

I didn't say what I asked greg OR asked anything about YOU. I don't know you. All I said was I spoke to greg and he answered my questions. I don't go to other vendors to get inside information about another vendor or their top secret projects. I asked you one question and you answered everyone but me. What is so secret?

All I can see is your one of those people that like to take ALL THE CREDIT for all your achievements. I like to give credit where credit is due.

I would love to see this lightweight Dmax replica up, running and winning, but then the evil side of me would love to see you crank it up and blow it's self apart , not injuring anyone apart from your " i'm #1 halo "


I'll just sit back, feet up with a beer in my hand and wait till be get a picture or video of the explosion and the call for:help2: goes out.


I think you fell and bumped you head....i never solely take all the credit for my achievments.

You must just see what you want to...

there is always a long list of crew members, shop employe's and supporting sponsors and friends i list responsible for our achievments....look it up!

I think you fell and bumped you head....i never solely take all the credit for my achievments.

You must just see what you want to...

there is always a long list of crew members, shop employe's and supporting sponsors and friends i list responsible for our achievments....look it up!

I don't need to look it up, I can see the "ME" from here.

There is always a long list, but we don't see them in your signature. Humm I can smell the farmyard from here as well.

I would like to thank myself for being here and I would like to thank myself for bringing us here and I would also like to thank myself for coming up with the idea. I would also like to thank myself for insulting any and everyone on a forum AND for the biggest thank you must go to myself for developing such an ego that you require a double wide baseball cap just to cover it.

But enough of myself, let's have a round of applause for MYSELF.


How come, I have been to america numerous times, spoken to numerous people, vendors and type talked to people on this forum and your the first one that I have taken a sudden dislike to??? Is it because your just a pillock or just my allergic reaction to bulll**** that is being posted.

Carry on with your development of a REPLICA aluminium block that resembles a dmax.

:whistle:

Well i hope all goes good with the new blocks cause one will be part of the squirl cage in the DH 3.0.

So who's doing the machining???

LSM is doing the machining. There - I answered your question and I'm just a nobody. :D

LSM is doing the machining. There - I answered your question and I'm just a nobody. :D

Ya can't be nobody, you must be a somebody as I am nobody.:p:

Wade - what bearing clearances are you running with the cast iron blocks? Talking to diesel builders I am surprised to hear fairly tight clearances being used. On my gasser engines (stock GM blocks with 4340 cranks) I have had the best luck with wider (0.0035-0.0040) clearances on both mains and rods.

Wade - what bearing clearances are you running with the cast iron blocks? Talking to diesel builders I am surprised to hear fairly tight clearances being used. On my gasser engines (stock GM blocks with 4340 cranks) I have had the best luck with wider (0.0035-0.0040) clearances on both mains and rods.


Depends on what bearings you refering too. All have different specs. Coated, non coated, H bearing , P bearing, all brands will wear differently too.

bearing clearances should be dictated by the above and oil viscosity and appox oil psi.


around 3 thou is where we are.

Well i hope all goes good with the new blocks cause one will be part of the squirl cage in the DH 3.0.


Tony, you shoulld be able to have a small atomic explosion inside this block and it still be OK....I am very confident that the changes made and the materials used will offer a better block than the factory one even when filled with block hard.


If i were to guess i'd say that 2500 hp can be made with out issue.;)

Have we calmed down now and took a chill pill.

Tuned out very nice!

Should be up and running shortly!

Whats the purpose of the weld on the outside

Whats the purpose of the weld on the outside

made a few machining errors, but welding and re honing the main, cam and piston bores along with stud holes was nessisary.


also makes that area stronger for better claming load, under TQ

All good now.

i thought so been in the spot before:D

i thought so been in the spot before:D


i figured for the first block ever made like this it kinda was exspected...

only two errors on the whole block and a little weld and re machining took care of it all!:D

i figured for the first block ever made like this it kinda was exspected...

only two errors on the whole block and a little weld and re machining took care of it all!:D


So your measurements and calculations were NOT spot on first time. I suppose you can't be correct all the time.

So your measurements and calculations were NOT spot on first time. I suppose you can't be correct all the time.


It was a programming error, not a measurment error.

But being the first means the first to make mystakes too.

I assume you have done more than just bolt parts on? Otherwise you wouldent have a clue what it takes to get this done.

Those blocks are simply amazing looking! I could care less for the bickering that goes along with people and their grudge matches... its annoying.

But I hope the blocks work for you and can't wait to see how it runs and what you and your team do with the ligher/stronger engines. Good Luck and keep us posted!

Those blocks are simply amazing looking! I could care less for the bickering that goes along with people and their grudge matches... its annoying.

But I hope the blocks work for you and can't wait to see how it runs and what you and your team do with the ligher/stronger engines. Good Luck and keep us posted!


Thank you!

I will keep posting progress as we move forward.

should be testing in about 4 weeks.

It was a programming error, not a measurment error.

But being the first means the first to make mystakes too.

I assume you have done more than just bolt parts on? Otherwise you wouldent have a clue what it takes to get this done.

As a matter of fact yes I have:rolleyes:

would you like an factual list of what I have made in the past????

I can say that it's a nice piece of work, Who ever machined it for you has done a fine job:)

Wow, what a bitch fest. :rolleyes: For all you guys that are so bothered by the guy and continue to fuel the fire, don't you now that the easiest way to silence an attention whore is the ignore them? :confused:

Great to see the project coming along. :ro)

So for those of us that aren't engine experts, could you explain how you can run it with no water? I've heard of this before, but never really understood how it won't overheat.

The engines are not run for any amount of time to warrant a water cooling system.

The big boys either filled their blocks with hard-block so they strengthen/reduce flex in the stock engine block or run a billet block with no water jackets so they have maximium strength/support around the cylinders.

I will be the FIRST to congratulate the man for a fine piece of machining,

Wow, what a bitch fest. :rolleyes: For all you guys that are so bothered by the guy and continue to fuel the fire, don't you now that the easiest way to silence an attention whore is the ignore them? :confused:

Great to see the project coming along. :ro)

So for those of us that aren't engine experts, could you explain how you can run it with no water? I've heard of this before, but never really understood how it won't overheat.


Yea it gets old, all the bickering..., but thats the mentality of some in this thread...

Why a solid block?



Several reasons

Rounder bores during operation
Less flex in the block as whole during opperation
More bore size potential
easyer to repair when damaged


Why not water?

Too much Water cooling reduces HP output,
Correct Heat range makes power
Much safer when there is a leak or a failure



How does it still cool?

Aluminum is great at absorbing and despersing heat

elapsed time of heat generation is minimal, in a drag application.




So in other words, as long as the rest of the engine build is properly tuned for these areas, ( as there are many component changes that need to take place first)there should be no issue.

no bickering, just a statement of fact.

Now I will be the FIRST man to admit enough is enough. Pro stock, Do you want to step upto the plate, shake hands and move on????

The cooling issues that come with a solid block are fine provided you keep the run time down. Typically less than 2 minutes and your OK. You will have to allow a period of time between runs to allow all the metal to cool back down and that typically runs 30 - 40 minutes but can be sped up some with fans. The AL block is going to grow much more than the stock steel block so a lot of things are going to be different and will have to get adjusted along the way. As for being stronger that will have to be seen after one is up and running for a period of time.

Now I will be the FIRST man to admit enough is enough. Pro stock, Do you want to step upto the plate, shake hands and move on????

How about you be the FIRST one to stop the drama BS. This thread is about an aluminum block......

PM him if you want to hold hands......

With our cast iron block filled 100% we hot lapped it regularly with out issue, and let it idle for 20-30 min at a time,, we did alow for a decent cool down between rounds if we had the time about a hour normally.

Accually had a hard time getting it to temp, having a good tuner and well thought out build goes a long way

Like i said if it's built for it it will perform fine.

Now I will be the FIRST man to admit enough is enough. Pro stock, Do you want to step upto the plate, shake hands and move on????


Notice you came after me and questioned every move i have made, not the other way around....

i dont really care if you dont like me or not, but at least enter the thread to talk about the thread title with censorship, and some professionalism.


You can choose to move on if you like, but im allready three steps ahead of you..:D

How about you be the FIRST one to stop the drama BS. This thread is about an aluminum block......

PM him if you want to hold hands......


LOL...Classic!

typical anal retentive answers.

Everybody, knock off the mud slinging. I don't want to have to lock this thread because a few people have their panties in a knot, OK?

Everybody, knock off the mud slinging. I don't want to have to lock this thread because a few people have their panties in a knot, OK?


I do apologize pilot, hands up:sorrysign

Little bit of press.

http://blogs.8-lug.com/6795216/edito...ock/index.html (http://blogs.8-lug.com/6795216/editorials/billet-duramax-block/index.html)

I think my block is done... :)

Little bit of press.

http://blogs.8-lug.com/6795216/edito...ock/index.html (http://blogs.8-lug.com/6795216/editorials/billet-duramax-block/index.html)


Does the word BS spring to mind. A cast iron block can be repaired as well as aluminum. BUT if you suffer a catastrophic failure enough to damage the block, it's often cheaper to replace the block, be it aluminum or cast iron.

Little bit of press.

http://blogs.8-lug.com/6795216/edito...ock/index.html (http://blogs.8-lug.com/6795216/editorials/billet-duramax-block/index.html)

Where did you get the 5000hp fiqure from? If you are not running upwards of 5000hp currently how could one come to this conclusion?

Where did you get the 5000hp fiqure from? If you are not running upwards of 5000hp currently how could one come to this conclusion?


You noticed that as well ;)

Where did you get the 5000hp fiqure from? If you are not running upwards of 5000hp currently how could one come to this conclusion?


It's what I designed the block to handle even though they aren't producing that much power ;)(yet). The block was designed around top fuel/top alcohol bottom end with extra thick cross sections in critical areas to handle the increased combustion loads and pressures. It's basically a heavier duty fuel block with duramax bore spacing and front and rear bolt patterns. It should actually handle more than 5000 hp, but I prefer to underpromise and overdeliver.

The block was designed with input from several of the customers to address perceived weaknesses in the stock block. My primary focus was block strength and we made a product that is much stronger and over 100lbs lighter than the stock piece.

What we have seen in the past with other blocks is that even though the block may not break or fail, the increase in bore distortion prevents the engine from making its full power potential. Switching to billet often gives a power increase simply from the reduced bore distortion over the factory block. I would be happy to answer any questions about the block.

Alin

Engineer

LSM Systems Engineering
4670 Hatchery Rd
Waterford, MI 48329

248-674-4967

It's what I designed the block to handle even though they aren't producing that much power ;)(yet). The block was designed around top fuel/top alcohol bottom end with extra thick cross sections in critical areas to handle the increased combustion loads and pressures. It's basically a heavier duty fuel block with duramax bore spacing and front and rear bolt patterns. It should actually handle more than 5000 hp, but I prefer to underpromise and overdeliver.

The block was designed with input from several of the customers to address perceived weaknesses in the stock block. My primary focus was block strength and we made a product that is much stronger and over 100lbs lighter than the stock piece.

What we have seen in the past with other blocks is that even though the block may not break or fail, the increase in bore distortion prevents the engine from making its full power potential. Switching to billet often gives a power increase simply from the reduced bore distortion over the factory block. I would be happy to answer any questions about the block.

Alin

Engineer

LSM Systems Engineering
4670 Hatchery Rd
Waterford, MI 48329

248-674-4967

Works for me. :)

It's what I designed the block to handle even though they aren't producing that much power ;)(yet). The block was designed around top fuel/top alcohol bottom end with extra thick cross sections in critical areas to handle the increased combustion loads and pressures. It's basically a heavier duty fuel block with duramax bore spacing and front and rear bolt patterns. It should actually handle more than 5000 hp, but I prefer to underpromise and overdeliver.

The block was designed with input from several of the customers to address perceived weaknesses in the stock block. My primary focus was block strength and we made a product that is much stronger and over 100lbs lighter than the stock piece.

What we have seen in the past with other blocks is that even though the block may not break or fail, the increase in bore distortion prevents the engine from making its full power potential. Switching to billet often gives a power increase simply from the reduced bore distortion over the factory block. I would be happy to answer any questions about the block.

Alin

Engineer

LSM Systems Engineering
4670 Hatchery Rd
Waterford, MI 48329

248-674-4967

Thank you Alin for clearing that up.

It's what I designed the block to handle even though they aren't producing that much power ;)(yet). The block was designed around top fuel/top alcohol bottom end with extra thick cross sections in critical areas to handle the increased combustion loads and pressures. It's basically a heavier duty fuel block with duramax bore spacing and front and rear bolt patterns. It should actually handle more than 5000 hp, but I prefer to underpromise and overdeliver.

The block was designed with input from several of the customers to address perceived weaknesses in the stock block. My primary focus was block strength and we made a product that is much stronger and over 100lbs lighter than the stock piece.

What we have seen in the past with other blocks is that even though the block may not break or fail, the increase in bore distortion prevents the engine from making its full power potential. Switching to billet often gives a power increase simply from the reduced bore distortion over the factory block. I would be happy to answer any questions about the block.

Alin

Engineer

LSM Systems Engineering
4670 Hatchery Rd
Waterford, MI 48329

248-674-4967


Now there's a guy I like. Thanks for the run down

For those of you looking at one of these, contact the guys that really designed and made them.

LSM Systems Engineering
4670 Hatchery Rd
Waterford, MI 48329

Alin
Chief Engineer
248-674-4967

http://www.lsmeng.com/Blocks.html

Good group of people and are pretty well know for there billet blocks.

For those of you looking at one of these, contact the guys that really designed and made them.

LSM Systems Engineering
4670 Hatchery Rd
Waterford, MI 48329

Alin
Chief Engineer
248-674-4967

http://www.lsmeng.com/Blocks.html

Good group of people and are pretty well know for there billet blocks.
Or contact a supporting vender like Socal and myself if your intrested in a block.

For those of you looking at one of these, contact the guys that really designed and made them.

LSM Systems Engineering
4670 Hatchery Rd
Waterford, MI 48329

Alin
Chief Engineer
248-674-4967

http://www.lsmeng.com/Blocks.html

Good group of people and are pretty well know for there billet blocks.


Funny you had no idea who was making them a month ago, now there a good group of people? How would you know?

If you read what the man posted, he said that we had a say in the final design, accually the truth is that with out my innititive this would have never happened,or got off the ground. everyone who baught one (except me) was stuck on Chuck nuttens blocks, which i also innitiated back in 2009, but due to time lines i found the alternative and made it happen, wayy sooner than chuck would have (chuck even said this).

I created interest, and started the whole process with LSM, supplied a block and multiple areas of insite and helped in every area i could. Dont blow over this steve, im very responsible for this just as much as they are for Machining it.


For some reason Steve you have this idea that i did nothing more than pay the LSM crew to build a block for me, well thats far from the truth, only a Rat like you would say this, because thats YOUR mentality. I Dont opperate that way.


Alin has stated to me before that i was a huge help in this process, so dont downplay what i have been involved in for the last 2.5 months with LSM. No way he could have known all the variables with out insite and other component measurments/layout. Also my block is specific to itself, no other one made is exactly like this, Alin and i talked in great length working out the minor and greater details.




As useual Steve,you are trying to weasel your way into recognition...

Please dont ever try and associate yourself with my Success, Innovations, or First's

What a tool bag you are!

Funny you had no idea who was making them a month ago, now there a good group of people? How would you know?

If you read what the man posted, he said that we had a say in the final design, accually the truth is that with out my innititive this would have never happened,or got off the ground. everyone who baught one (except me) was stuck on Chuck nuttens blocks, which i also innitiated back in 2009, but due to time lines i found the alternative and made it happen, wayy sooner than chuck would have (chuck even said this).

I created interest, and started the whole process with LSM, supplied a block and multiple areas of insite and helped in every area i could. Dont blow over this steve, im very responsible for this just as much as they are for Machining it.


For some reason Steve you have this idea that i did nothing more than pay the LSM crew to build a block for me, well thats far from the truth, only a Rat like you would say this, because thats YOUR mentality. I Dont opperate that way.


Alin has stated to me before that i was a huge help in this process, so dont downplay what i have been involved in for the last 2.5 months with LSM. No way he could have known all the variables with out insite and other component measurments/layout. Also my block is specific to itself, no other one made is exactly like this, Alin and i talked in great length working out the minor and greater details.




As useual Steve,you are trying to weasel your way into recognition...

Please dont ever try and associate yourself with my Success, Innovations, or First's

What a tool bag you are!


Are we quite finished with the crap now. We are back to the whole glory hogging again on pro stocks part.

LSM clearly stated they had help from several people on the design and production of the blocks.

I can see LSM's track records and they have a SUPERB website with plenty of information and damp pants moments:)

LSM, Keep up the great work. Prostock, just admit you helped with the design. Takes a WHOLE lot of money to buy one of those 5 axis machines. WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM pro stock????

At least if you buy a block from a vendor on here, you keep this site up ' n ' running and you get a engine built to your own specs.

Are we quite finished with the crap now. We are back to the whole glory hogging again on pro stocks part.

LSM clearly stated they had help from several people on the design and production of the blocks.

I can see LSM's track records and they have a SUPERB website with plenty of information and damp pants moments:)

LSM, Keep up the great work. Prostock, just admit you helped with the design. Takes a WHOLE lot of money to buy one of those 5 axis machines. WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM pro stock????

At least if you buy a block from a vendor on here, you keep this site up ' n ' running and you get a engine built to your own specs.



Thats all im saying is i had my part in design, not taking away from anyone else, just making it clear to steve cole, EXACTLY what transpirered!

but Steve cant comprehend modern english....

Thats all im saying is i had my part in design, not taking away from anyone else, just making it clear to steve cole, EXACTLY what transpirered!

but Steve cant comprehend modern english....


Right, enough of the mud slingin', On with the building. First to get one running gets a beer off me.:p:

This thread is getting scared over stupid bickering! People are arguing over something so stupid! It's not like the winner gets a free BJ or anything. GROW UP! It's not high school anymore.

I give my props to Final Product.

Wade

I've know for a long time who was doing it, but I've gotten tired of you BS'n everyone claiming you did it. I had hoped that you would come clean but its clear you were not going too. Just like all the other times, I should have known better, but I gave you enough rope to hang yourself and you did!

Let's make this clear I had nothing to do with the design although I have spoken with them about it just as Tony Burkhard has and others have, which is all you did.

As for trying to associate with you, you've got to ask yourself who in the hell would want too! :confuzeld The only work I did that you got was some rod design that I did as a favor for Mike at Small Blocks Unlimited. You know the guy that designed and built the motor you've been running and you claimed as your own design! Some day you might just have a FIRST or Innovation but it hasn't happened yet and I'm not holding my breath for it to happen.

So whose the tool bag?

Wade

I've know for a long time who was doing it, but I've gotten tired of you BS'n everyone claiming you did it. I had hoped that you would come clean but its clear you were not going too. Just like all the other times, I should have known better, but I gave you enough rope to hang yourself and you did!

Let's make this clear I had nothing to do with the design although I have spoken with them about it just as Tony Burkhard has and others have, which is all you did.

As for trying to associate with you, you've got to ask yourself who in the hell would want too! :confuzeld The only work I did that you got was some rod design that I did as a favor for Mike at Small Blocks Unlimited. You know the guy that designed and built the motor you've been running and you claimed as your own design! Some day you might just have a FIRST or Innovation but it hasn't happened yet and I'm not holding my breath for it to happen.

So whose the tool bag?


:I&S:

Do you know something we don't know

Right, enough of the mud slingin', On with the building. First to get one running gets a beer off me.:p:

Could you just buy them a beer? :lol: Sorry that just made me laugh and i might take that saying a different way then others. :)

Could you just buy them a beer? :lol: Sorry that just made me laugh and i might take that saying a different way then others. :)


Beer for everyone. I'll bring some british beer for ya if ya want. Just make sure your sat down.

Reading this reminds me a listening to a bunch of preteen girls. Grow up this is an internet forum for discussing diesel related issues, not acting like a bunch of immature kids arguing about he said she said and who gets to sit in the front seat.


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Reading this reminds me a listening to a bunch of preteen girls. Grow up this is an internet forum for discussing diesel related issues, not acting like a bunch of immature kids arguing about he said she said and who gets to sit in the front seat.


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I can't be classed as immature as I, like my father Refuse to grow up so:p: Same as I can't catch the human form of mad cow disease, Because I am a helicopter.

I also sat at the back of the class so I could sneek candy out my bag.

99.9999% of the guys and gals on this forum will attempt to work together to help each other out. But you get the odd one that rubs people up the wrong way.

Now who's turn is it for a round of beer? Porters, Your up :D

Sure ill buy. You want to meet halfway? Lol

Sure ill buy. You want to meet halfway? Lol

Hope to be in florida/alabama in next few months:rolleyes:

I'm in Washington so thats about halfway. Lol

JFC, bunch of dude rubbing beards in here. Out of control post whoring..



Just keep us updated on the build and never mind the unbridled fagatry going on. If you don't like the guy write it in your journal before bed and lets see this bad bish get put together!


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Hope you don't like you beers warm

Could a Mod please clean this thread up??


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Could a Mod please clean this thread up??

By deleting your last post? Your little slur is the only thing in need of cleaning right now IMHO. We've been on top of it if you care to read the entire thread, however, we are not the thought police who remove all traces of negative discussion on a subject.

Although we've asked for civility in this thread several times, we're not going to whitewash the discussion, either.

Fair enough. This is a great topic and there seems to be a ton of off topic conversation. Just my .02


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Fair enough. This is a great topic and there seems to be a ton of off topic conversation. Just my .02


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learn a little about the history and you may understand why.....

All I want to do is hear one of these babies run when I come over.

My offer still stands.

I know everyone wants a update, but there have been a few issue's that we are fixing with the block, So to make sure that the next customers in line (Mike Wood, Socal) get a desent product shipped to them, I let LSM know what all those issue's were and have fixed, or will be fixing them soon.

No one wants to get this thing together and running as much as i do, next week i should be able to finish the short block and sooner than later get it back up and running. Couple things were just overlooked. Alin has been professional and informative during the whole process, Alin you are surely an asset to this company.

It's been a month, WHERE IS THE ENGINE???

It's been a month, WHERE IS THE ENGINE???

Going testing in a week or two.

my beers are getting warmer by the day

my beers are getting warmer by the day
Lucas refrigerator? ;)

Planning on going to any big events this year?

Planning on going to any big events this year?


yep, all of the NADM and a few NHRDA.

Lucas refrigerator? ;)
:laugh_exp

Is the truck going to be in indy?

Is the truck going to be in indy?


No, Muncie is the very next weekend. Thats where we will be

learn a little about the history and you may understand why.....

I get it now. Lol


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First pass. 7.97 @ 174

First and only pass

Spooled up great left with about 30psi @4000 great 60' considering the aggressive tire shake 1.19 , pushed through and hit second gear, and felt power drop, went into tire shake again got out of the groove, pulled it back in hit third, shook again....stayed in it but felt like it layed over from the shake, hit the shoots about 150-200' too soon(due to the shake) and ended up with a 7.97 @ 174.

Got out of the car to look around cause engine temp was higher than it ever has been, and found that the driverside turbo had come apart, after looking at the data logger(among many other issue's) it shows that right @ second gear shift the turbo cut loose.

i was a bit bummed at first but, it can be fixed.

Thanks to Chris, Cory and Thurmon for there support tonight, the crowd loved our truck.

We will try to get it fixed by wed so we can get to TS.http://www.competitiondiesel.com/forums/images/smilies/gr_cheers.gif

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Your beers are on the way. Bummed to hear it broke. Get it fixed and get back out there

Ran pretty clean to have had a bad turbo. Cant wait to see it run when everything gets worked out.