What is the preference for upgrade for 460-500 hp area on a 2002 Duramax.


Suncoast is not showing prices on their website. What is a fair price for the triple disc converter, shift kit and new clutches from Suncoast or ATS. What have you seen in cost for a tranny shop to install.


Is it cheaper to just buy the complete transmission ? What about the core charge ? I may not want to give up my original tranny.

Well this question has been asked alot, and everytime it gets alot of different answers.


I feel it really depends on what you want to do with the truck. I have a suncoast setup, the product is solid and the service is great. I called and talk to Joe, told him what I wanted to do and he recommended an upgrade.


You say 460-500 hp, at the ground or flywheel? Makes a difference. Low end with just the stage 2 and install you are looking at $2500+ depending on install costs.


The stage 2 will hold gobs of power at a moderate amount of abuse, you can powder the tires, tow a lot of wieght and do some dragging or pulling.


However, make that much power at the wheels and then do competitive dragging or pulling and you will see issues in the long run, that would require another rebuild.


The transgo is a daily driver upgrade not a solution for a hardcore competitive truck, at least by itself.


I cannot talk about ATS, seems like a more hardcore upgrade, someone will chime in


just my .02

403turbo


No "weekly competition" drag racing with the truck. Might only run it at the track a few times.


Are you saying the price may be about $2500 NOT including install ?

just ordered a al-2 upgrade with conv and valve for $1895 from suncoast!

MaddMaxx,


From the Suncoast site the Stage II does not include C-1, 2 or 3 clutches.
Did you price the extra clutches or do you know yours are allright ?


$1895 is "doable" I guess

i was told thats with those clutches

That would make the package a better deal for sure.


Have you priced an install ?

no gonna do it my self like someone else said got wrench will swinghttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Does suncoats plan on showing the prices or is it always going to be TBD? Do I have to call when I want to know the price?

i think they want you to call!

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Yeah, that 2500 was with install. depending on the place.


Calling Joe @ suncoast is the way to go. They are always trying to put out a better product. The stage 2 has improved since I did mine!


Don't get hung up on the web page, it may not be the most up to date.


Call them, tell them your a Duramax owner and ask for Joe, swipe the card and in a week or so the poor SOB UPS guy will leave a 100lb package on your doorstep.


Mine was installed by a local shop that had allison certified techs, pretty rare and I was thirlled to find a place that didn't blink an eye with this project.


The transgo requires the ally to be gutted and several small components to be replaced along with clutches, to any shade tree mechanic willing to try this I tip my hat, more than I would want to try in a weekend.


Sounds like the stage 2 will fit you fine, any whole tranny swap is gonna be the better part of 6 grand with install. Pretty steep for the weekend warrior.


I like mine, beat on(level 5) a daily basis, never skips a beat, drives like stock!


Great company call and talk to them, then decide

I have some expeirence (sp) with all of the 'big 3'


ATS.. Good kit, the one I installed had some sketchy directions on a few things. Holds gobs of power and nice feature is the control box.


Trans-go..Good kit for starters. I am sure that Joe uses it in his stuff. dont know how much power it will hold, good kit for the price and excellent for the average guy.


Suncoast...Joe is 100% top notch, I talked to him in lenght at his open house a few weeks back. he showed me everything I wanted to see and more. no secrets anywhere and he told me a lot of things I didnt know.


Bottom line, I think that the Suncoast and the ATS are close in price, transgo is good for the smaller budget. What are you gonna do with the truck? Find the guys that are using it the same way and see what they are using and if the would do it again.

The price for the ATS complete is very expensive. I can only tell you my results with them. I have had nothing but trouble since I have installed the ATS system. Ultimately my installing dealer is removing the whole system and refunding my money. They could not make it work right.

ATS from Colorado right? Did you purchace a completly rebuilt tranny or just a kit? If just a kit, then which level. Did it include a single disc. converter or a tripple disc converter? Did you have to use the electronic transmission controller box? I am asking this because I wan to know what you are referring to before I make any judgments.

Mine was a complete kit, I am not sure what stage but it was their top of line kit, plus their torque converter and their co pilot. Altoghther $6700 installed. ouch. You do not have to use the co-pilot, but it will help tailor your shifts, for such things as more horespower, heavier loads when you are towing, etc.

What tranny are you going with now thorco? DOes anyone have quads tranny yet? Would like to hear some feedback on it.

I dont like to speak for other people, but regarding Tomacs, and he can give you better info then I can.


He greatly feels that his good et's and performance is largly in part to how quick and firm his ATS tranny shifts and its adjustability for different conditions. We did have some trouble with it at first but those small problems have been corrected. It sure seems that the 6700 price is awefully high. Mike has way less then that into his. IIRC the Suncoast stage V is around 5500-6000 installed? ATS stage III installed is right there also I think

To be perfectly honest, I am going back to a new stock Allison installed by an Allison facility here in San Diego, not by the dealer, and just hope everything is okay, but it has a 3 year unlimited mileage warranty from allison.


Regarding my problems, I had problems with the shift points, many fail-safes activated in different gears, when I installed additonal mods this only made the problem worse. When in tow haul mode, it didn't always want to come out of the mode without shifting into neutral first.


Hard sifting and clunking in the trans (bad), additionally, the truck was at the installing dealer several times for adjustments etc, a computer had to be replaced early on, because it was wired wrong by ATS. I could go on, but I am sure you get the picture.


Although ATS was responsive to many of the issues, there were still too many problems for me. Maybe I paid a little to much, but it was installed by one of the best shops in San Diego who over the years have built several race transmissions for me and others. Plus they readily stepped up and refunded my money, no questions asked and are restoring my trans to the way it was. Sometimes you pay more for peace of mind, also things are a lot more expensive all around in San Diego.Edited by: thorco69

Mac, I originally had a Bully Dog system installed, and the Chevrolet dealer blamed my allison slipping problems on them and thus my trans needed to be rebuilt. I did not believe them, and contaced allison, who paid for my trans to be checked out at their dealership. Same results, the additional power damaged my trans. After the ATS was installed, I went to Hypertech since is wasn't supposed to boost turbo pressure which is what the Bully Dog system did.

THorco, if that is all the power you were putting to it, no wonder it shifted hard. The full ATS is supposed to handle lots of power. You should run some 200+ hp boxes.

I think the ATS is the best all around, especially when running big HP. If you're dragracing, truck pulling, towing or daily driving the ATS will get the job done. My truck does all four. The copilot is the key to the kit. It lets the user adjust at what boost the line pressure starts increasing. The more power you put to the ATS tranny with the copilot turned on and set on its most agressive setting the better it shifts. The "shift kit" feel is still there but the shifts aren't as harsh with an extra 250+ RWHP. With the controller turned off it still shifts stock. The controller also can also control TC lockup and exhaust brake engagment as well as locking up the torque converter earlier in 2nd gear. Best of all the copilot gets rid of the top speed limiter.

Early on after first installing the ATS L3 kit we had some problems with bad up&down shifts but we didn't clear the tap cells from the TCM. I would recommend doing this and the fast learn process with the Tech2 after install of any tranny upgrades.

ATS was the first to have single sided C1 clutches. Why? Because they are manufactured in house. I've been throwing 500+ rwhp plus a 125hp shot of nitrous to the ATS tranny w/o problems dragracing.

mtomac


Can you explain the Alto part # on the ATS (in house home made double throw down clutches) that they are selling to Pacific Performance? The same clutches that i can buy, with the same part # from Alto. Mike, do you know how much money is involved in making clutches in house? Do you have any idea what it will take to get a return on that investment? I am not knocking you or ATS. I have been in the transmission business since 1965, i have worked in every phase of it.

Why has there been at least one failure (that I know of) in a truck with the Suncoast trans that has the Alto single sided C1's and none in the ATS trans IF they are all the same? Why did I have single sided C1's way before Suncoast had them or anyone else outside of ATS? The single sided C1's from ATS that went into my truck did NOT have any part number on them, much less an Alto part #. Edited by: mtomac

I have been following ATS for several years now. Being a Colorado company and all. These guys are definitely making parts themselves. The are definitely in the front line. They definitely have the fastest pickups at Bandimeres Speedway. This is not to say they are not with out flaws. I have read post of people having lots of trouble with there stuff. Particularly there earlier stuff.

bronco wrote
"ATS from Colorado right? Did you purchace a completly rebuilt tranny or just a kit? If just a kit, then which level. Did it include a single disc. converter or a tripple disc converter? Did you have to use the electronic transmission controller box? I am asking this because I wan to know what you are referring to before I make any judgments."

why would you even consider it

bronco wrote
"My stock Dmax is as smooth as glass and I would never want to do anything to jepordize that. I love my soft shifftin tranny. I love my complete reliability. I love how smooth she accelerates and how smooth she cruises down the highway"........give us a breakhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif

Sdaver,


I must of touched apon a sensitive issue with you. They have 30 day trial samples you know? If you do not like laypeople inteferring with your master thesis then I suggest you create some new form headings." Professionals only." "NHRA and the likes". "John Force or better." "Engineers only". "Power and performance(not for the daily driver)" "Off road only." "We are the best."" High HP club. and finally " BS ONLY" These would be some appropriate headings that would incourage most of us to not intefere with your ramblings.

you just remember what I said about the mirrorhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif

Mike,


The C1 assembly failures on the Suncoast tranny were more than just the clutches themselves. The stock C1 rotating assembly has some pretty weak areas that Suncoast put in fixes for. They developed a new fix after some of the high HP junkies trashed them with the high boost 4WD launches.


From what I know, that issue is fixed. I do know that you have had great success with your ATS. I have heard a few stories of other ATS customers that have had problems. I know that my Suncoast has been flawless and I have abused it as much as a 2WD truck without drugs can.


Knowing the results of other guys with Suncoast trannies I don't think you will go wrong with their setup. I have doubts about the ATS but who really knows.


Oh, and Bronco, I would not cast too many stones, SDAVER has tried more combinations and helped more guys here than most of us. Aside from being a resident post whore I can't say the same for your contribution. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif

Aside from being a resident post whore I can't say the same for your contribution. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif


.....now that's funny.

mtomac


Can you explain the Alto part # on the ATS (in house home made double throw down clutches) that they are selling to Pacific Performance? The same clutches that i can buy, with the same part # from Alto. Mike, do you know how much money is involved in making clutches in house? Do you have any idea what it will take to get a return on that investment? I am not knocking you or ATS. I have been in the transmission business since 1965, i have worked in every phase of it.





You know I personaly bond these cluthes in house at ATS. ANd yes we do know how expensive it is to do so. But the return on this is a product we know is the best out there. The more we keep inhouse the more we are sure of product quaility.Edited by: Chad

Hello All
My name is Clint Cannon, owner of ATS Diesel in Colorado. I feel there are a few things that I need to not only addresses, but also clear up. I have been in contact with thorco69 during the install process and after the problems that had been reported. Based on the reports, from the installing shop and the customer, it appears there is a de-fueling condition with the engine that is going on. We did however; send a Co-Pilot box out that had the race program removed, to aid in the diagnostic process. What I understand from the transmission shop, as of last Thursday, they are merely replacing the Co-pilot with the Trans-Go trim valves. (This removes the external electronic influence from the transmission and replaces it with a hydraulic method) The TripleLok ™ upgrade components remain in the transmission. There appears to be some communication issues here?

I must also address the statement Mike L. has made regarding the C-1 clutches, with the utmost respect for his lengthy self mentioned career in the transmission industry, my hats is off.
Yes, we do design & build our C-1 clutch packs in house. You, or anyone else, are more than welcome to stop by the shop and see it in person. Yes, we do sell Pacific Performance Engineering LCT-1000 components, we also use some Alto clutches in the C-2 pack, but not in the C-1 or C-3 clutch packs. Mike L., again you being in the business since 1965, should know the difference between the clutch packs. Before I go forward I must mention, I am in frequent contact with Roy (Chief Engineer) at Alto products; the C-1 single sided clutch packs were taken off the market a little over a month ago due to failures. The C-1 clutch pack we (ATS Diesel) have designed and “build” are available. We are extremely satisfied with the reliability and load capacity of the pack. I am not here to fire a transmission war, only to provide accurate information regarding ATS Diesel and it’s products

On a last note, I would like to say thank you to all of positive supporters of this and other diesel forums. Your support is very much appreciated, respected, and never over-looked. Remember the forums are there to educate.

Thank You
Clint Cannon

Clint,


Thanks for chiming in and giving us the inside scoop from ATS. I hope to have one of your complete upgrades done on my Allison by the end of the year.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif


Josh

First, welcome Clint and I hope you find time to chime in here....


The statement made refering to the Alto C1 one sided being taken off the market is false. They are readily available from Joe at Suncoast....they are however, made using a higher grade paper than what ATS uses. Not sure what failures you are refering to using these clutches as the C1 clutch packs that have failed were using the same material you are and were not single sided. Using the single sided he is now, I believe there has only been 1 lost C1 and this was related to another issue...Edited by: BIG DIPPER

bronco and hdmax heres your chance Ill pass on this onehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.giflook out clint Edited by: sdaver

Welcome Clint


Nice to have you here. I would like to know more about your clutch bonding.


mike

mikeL,

now you know that the single sided C1's from ATS are NOT Alto clutches and they do make their own in househttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif Edited by: mtomac

Well do I look like I have egg on my face. When I left my vehicle at Valley Transmision they were supposed to return the transmission back to the way it was and refund my money. I guess I will have a rather forceful conversation with the shop this morning.


As far as what Clint says, he is correct about other problems as you are well know, but ATS's transmission setup is going into failsafe from 4th to 5th gear, and sometimes in other gears. I definitely know the difference. As you can tell, I have had problems with their kit, and for $6700, I would expect none.


I know most of you are more forgiving, and are willing to put up problems like these, I am not. Problems mean time, and time means money or in my case, cutting into my leisure time in the desert.


Certainly you all will have to make up your own decisions. I am not happy with ATS's response. They did not mail out the new co-pilot originially like they said, fed ex overnight, and my truck sit at the shop another 4 days because of this. Clint told me himself, he was going to overnight the part himself.


On a positive side, I belive it is very positive that manufacturers have gotten into this website and put in their opinions and help. With more input comes knowledge, and knowledge is the key.

Mackeepoo.... Dodge Boy????

Mackeepoo.... Dodge Boy????


They (DODGE) won't get clutch to hold..............http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


Wait till Captainmal see's this.


Someone PM him http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif





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ccannon said
"I am in frequent contact with Roy (Chief Engineer) at Alto products; the C-1 single sided clutch packs were taken off the market a little over a month ago due to failures"..........oh reallyhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/DAC_poke.gif

"What I understand from the transmission shop, as of last Thursday, they are merely replacing the Co-pilot with the Trans-Go trim valves. (This removes the external electronic influence from the transmission and replaces it with a hydraulic method) The TripleLok ™ upgrade components remain in the transmission."

Would that not cause the line pressure to remain above 260 psi even at low strain highway crusing..........and in return cause excessive wear on the pump and other componets........was that not the reason gm decided to cut back the pressure on the 04's.........Im confusedhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif one of you real experts straighten me out...........daveEdited by: sdaver

Bottom line...

Whoever is running whatever setups knows what holds up and what doesn't. As usual, the end user is the guinea pig.

sdaver


You forgot to mention that you would be at 260psi sitting at an idle in park also.

Hoot,


I couldn't agree more. Not withstanding, Clints comments from ATS, while he seems to downplay my problems, I have been without my truck for a total of 3 weeks, totalling 4 differrent trips to the shop. In my business when I make a mistake or inconvenience someone greatly, I must offer some kind of payment in order to keep my customer happy, as well as showing respect for my customers time and patience.

As a follow-up the transmission shop is restoring my trans back to stock, and refunding my money, I don't know if ATS has any influence over their decision not to what was agreed, but after very little firm confrontation, they are doing it my way. You may all want to read my post under Hypertech/warranty. The dealership pointed to the Co-pilot as instructed to by the AVM as an additional problem with my truck. Again nothing in writing, just be aware.


Knowledge is power.

Are you saying that some people speak with forked tongue?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif Call Joe Webb at Suncoast. The man holds two of my credit cards. Think i trust him? I always have to call him to see if i have enough to take my wife out to dinner. Seems like he is always taking his wife out first.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif When Joe Webb sends something next day, Do Not Park in The Driveway.


Mike L.

mike l wrote
"Call Joe Webb at Suncoast. The man holds two of my credit cards". ........you too!

thorco69 I sorry you had those problems. Its really frustrating. Glad to hear its going to be resolved.

I dont understand the alto comment( which is pure bullsh*t) from clint unless it was used to try and hurt the competetion. But experiences like kennedys, blackjets, and now thorco69 Should be his first order of business without being forced into it via the internet.

There has also been some undercurret about vendors using their real names and some of us hiding behind our screen names. For the record Im David Gamble and my email is dvgamble@bellsouth.netEdited by: sdaver

Hi


Dave Gamble .....


Have we meet, email looks familiar??





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif

Sounds like an AA meeting......

Sounds like an AA meeting......

Welcome in .....
Would you like to speak or just sit in the back row ??

1. We admitted we were powerless over Duramax's— that our lives had become unmanageable.

2. Came to believe that a Power greater than diesel could restore us to sanity.

3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to performance tuners and transmission builders .

4. Made a searching and fearless of Fords and Dodges .

5. Admitted to nothing ,always be secrative of what your holding .

6. Were entirely ready to have GM remove all these defects of their doing .

7. Humbly asked Edge to remove the Durama's shortcomings.

8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed and aren't willing to make amends to them on these forums .

9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, of these pages in hopes of getting perks .

10. Continued to take personal attacks and when we were wrong promptly never admitted it.

11. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our horse power contact with Steve Cole, as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out our journey to 500 HP with one program .

12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to all diesel heads , and to practice these principles here on this forum ,the peoples forum .



Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

The Code of the Lone Ranger ?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

I'll Drink to all of that. Heck, I'll drink to anything. We don't need no steenking AA.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

code of a slow day at work.........I hopehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

mike l wrote
But experiences like kennedys, blackjets, and now thorco69 Should be his first order of business without being forced into it via the internet.





I'm PLANNING to install a new spacer plate, solenoid, harness, spring, and co-pilot in mine soon. I'm hoping this cleans up the rough edges in the shifting dept.





As for holding power, it does seem to do that well. The only place that it is questionable is a certain combination with the converter unlocked, but that's tough to tell.





Anxoius (hint hint Clint) to put the finishing touches on it so I can comment on the finished product...

<font size="6">your gonna have to hint louder clints not hearing you.......</font>

I think it would be only fair to call Clint and give him a chance to answer your questions and explain anything you might not understand. Keep in mind that he is at the shop until 9 or 10 every night. He is extremely busy all day and you may have to leave a message, but he will get back to you.

He wasn't too busy trying to kick my ass.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/E82_troll.gifotherwise known as a troll

Clint,


You no good dirty rotten troll. You lyin cheatin stillin no good for anything. You took my money. You build bad trannys. Your a jerk.


Just want to make sure Clint never comes back! For that matter any other industry related professional!


Clint,


I love going to Bandimeres and watching all of the ultrafast diesels that come out of your stable. Keep up the good work!!!

Bronco


I want Clint to come back and address what he started. I never knocked him, in fact i always put his name right up there with Joe Webb when asked who i recommend. I have never had dealings with him but have heard good things about his product. I said that i questioned his in house clutch bonding and still do. Bonding your own clutches should be left to engineers working in a clean room. As far as what he posted on the Alto clutches being taken off the market; that is a false statement. He was not allowed to buy them because they are a Joe Webb design. Up untill yesterday, these clutches were not available to me and i am a Suncoast dealer. I think Clint should come back here and get everything straight and become a contributing member on this board and put all this behind him and us.


mike

I should add that I've personally seen clutches being bonded at the ATS facility, along with about 25 (guessing) employees runing in various directions.





I believe the clutches being bonded were TCC clutches, but nevertheless, they were bing done.

Mike L,


I see, you guys really want Clint to come back out and play! It would be appropriate for Clint to follow and participate in this thread untill completion! I agree. We are just going to have to wait and see. Name calling will not elicit a response from a true professional.

I love going to Bandimeres and watching all of the ultrafast diesels that come out of your stable. Keep up the good work!!!





Are those ultrafast diesels there allowed to smoke or are they a special high HP ULEV diesel?


I just want to be sure I have a complete understanding of the musings from the RPW. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gifEdited by: BMDMAX

you know if the shoe fits......well....he does need to clear this up........

biodiesel...........smells like french fries burninghttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

enviromentalist wacko post whore would be more appropiate Edited by: sdaver

Kennedy


I realize that Clint bonds his own friction clutches for the Ally; i fail to see the rational in doing this. I have seen one of my distributers try this a few years ago, Raybestos sold them the linings. After a couple of years they gave it up because they could never achieve the quality that Raybestos had. I have to assume the same of Alto produced clutches vs in house bonding.


Bronco


If Clint comes back here without the attitude he had, i don't think there will be any name calling. I do believe he deserved what he got last go round.


mike

Hello all, Hello Bmdmax, Hello Sdaver,


At the race track, anything goes!


All is fair in love and racing!


I am a strong supporter of off road competition!


I usually try to reserve public roads as a conduit for civilized transportation!


Go look at the avater for ByBYCop. That is what set my entire world off. I am trying to make a full recovery.


You bullys need to learn how to play fair! We can all leave this play ground as well. When the going get's tough the tough get going. The weak loosers are left behind. Be nice! Lions only roar on TV.Edited by: Bronco

For the record, I'm trying to stay neutral on this at this point. Just wanted to state the fact that ATS does do bonding of some clutches in house.





Mine's not perfect, but it holds power pretty good so far. I'm hoping to acheive the same level of success and satisfaction as Mtomac so I can state with certainty that it does indeed work. I've had a Suncoast transmission waiting to go in for some time now. Just holding out to get the current trans working properly before removing and setting aside OR buying a second truck and installing the SC in it...

RPW - Resident Post whore.....still funy everytime I hear it


Bronco - if you feel the need to leave, then do so.....but don't sit here and threaten anyone with it..we did fine before you and I am sure things will remain the same after you....


We have plenty of vendors here....before Clint and after him. Problem is...such as yourself.....his first post was not only to address a problem a member had, but the agenda that came along with it. If you feel like your sinking...why take someone who doesn't post here down with ya. I now for a fact that the statement refering to the C1s Alto is making was false, but I also PMed him to tell him this with no response...and before you say he is too busy building trannies, he had time to post the other night...Edited by: BIG DIPPER

Hello Big dipper,


I am not threatning anybody in regards to myself leaving. Like I really think anyone cares if I leave. I am talking about the fact that most all repetive post are made by same overbearing jerkaholics. Their strong intrejections usually stop the current flow of the thread. Have you ever noticed it is always vendors, first time post or jerkaholics making all ot the post? Have you ever wondered why so many view and so few post? How could I sink any further when I am in the likes of your company?


On Edit: In regards to plenty of vendors posting here. I am not refering to the Mom and Pop shops that come and go. I am talking about industry leaders. I am talking about GM reps. I am talking about Isusu Reps. I can't think of one person with any class that would wan't to come here and put up with this B.S. and constant mines bigger than yours. Some people get it and some people don't. If you ever want to get it, I suggest you go to your garage and hit yourself in the forhead with a sledge hammer. Not so hard as to inflict death. Just a good shakin up. This might help?


Second edit: My mother always told me I had to get the last word in. I am starting to understand what she was trying to say. I am curios as to the REAL agenda of this site? I am curious as to how many people have different screen names for there different log on locations? I am curious who gets commisions and kick backs? I feel like there is always a constant undertow here? Edited by: Bronco

bronco
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he wrote
"repeitive post are made by same overbearing jerkaholics"
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif lmfaoEdited by: sdaver

You know some of us have a high post count because we ask alot of questions. Some of us also know how to carry an ongoing conversation rather than just intreject. Somebody tell me how many different screen identitys are out there? Tell me how many people post under multiple identitys? I work 60 hours a week in the summer and only 20 hours a week in the winter. Unless there is a limit of post allowed I will make as many as I please. Why don't you go find something good to talk about and come back here and make a positive contribution? Edited by: Bronco

Bronco - You can't think of anyone who wants to put up with this bullsh*t you ask.......what about you....you're still here....572 posts in about what 40 days or so......sounds to me like you are the one who thrives on the bullsh*t....must be all the ENZYTE.

dipper I think he thinks you are me........lol maybe this will push him over the "edge".....no pun intendedhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/C6E_SweetDodge1.jpgEdited by: sdaver

Yep! Thats the one. I didn't realize a person could detune an engine so badly!

The REAL reason Bronco HATES those big smoky diesels:


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who is this poor untuned bastard?

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I am sure those folks in that big yellow house really appreciated that. They probally spent there entire lives working for that house, only to have some punk come along and smoke them out. Once you get past being satisfied making your 750.00 month payment with enough left for beer, fuel and black smoke, you will understand what I am talking about. Edited by: Bronco

Hey, it's just like the kids game: "Where's Bronco?"


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Too much fun! Those pictures really do distract from my questions about the undertow here on this site. How many people posting under multiple identitys? How many people getting kick backs or commissions? Edited by: Bronco

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Mr bill I mean Bronco asked "How many people posting under multiple identitys? How many people getting kick backs or commissions?"

I wish I could get paid for this........
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I go by multiple personallities. I am dmaxalliTech to most of you, but I have been known to be others as well... I wont tell who and I bet nobody can guess eitherhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

I go by multiple personallities. I am dmaxalliTech to most of you, but I have been known to be others as well... I wont tell who and I bet nobody can guess eitherhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


Bronco?

Bronco - You can't think of anyone who wants to put up with this bullsh*t you ask.......what about you....you're still here....572 posts in about what 40 days or so......sounds to me like you are the one who thrives on the bullsh*t....must be all the ENZYTE.








I never said I had any class. I just want a tone that will promote people with class to participate. Some times the humble have alot more knowledge to add than compared to the hot heads. There is some real learnin to be had here. I am sorry I don't now it all and I am still very curious about my truck. Maybe you pros should take a step back and let the second stringers play? By the way, If I am RPW who's my pimp? There are several here that will be at 5000 post soon. And as more contribute the amount of post made by each will grow expotentially. Go do some research and help make this site a positive place to be!Edited by: Bronco

Mike L.


I have one ISP and make all of my post from my home office. I have no extras on my truck other than the soon to be replaced K&amp;N, Banks exaust,Edelbrock shocks and Bridgestone tires. I have been an automotive enthusiast my entire life, It is the one thing me and my father had in common. My first vehicle was a 1972 Chevy 4x4 long bed stepside. I have owned many vehicles since then. I have rodded the sh*t out of all of them. I love automobiles and have no hidden agendas! BTW, you should see what I do to all of the rental cars I have had the pleasure of driving! (Back roads only!) I am on the market for well manered tranny upgrades and also a easly concealed well manered power adder. I frequent here to learn how to take care of my truck and become an educated consumer. The laughs arn't bad and the conversation is sometimes stimulating? Peace Out!

Bronco


First of all , my comment to Eric was only a joke. as far as multiple names, you will find that on any bulletin board; who cares.


Now you say you are going to add power to your truck; well when you do it's going to smoke when you jump on it. What do you think about that. Will you beat yourself with a whip in a closet at night after you have run the truck hard with your performance chip? As far as this board being here to help and teach people; i think the people here do one hell of a job helping. I have been helped and i try and do my part every chance i get. I will drop what i am doing in my shop to help a mamber. Sdaver, Mackin, BIG DIPPER, Hoot, Nick, have an abundance of good information and experience. All you have to do is ask them and they will help. Cop an attitude and they will cut your cojones off at the throat. I suggest you chill out and enjoy the board. Let Clint at ATS handle his own business.

Mike L,


Maybe you are the one with multiple personalitys? I am not sticking up for Clint. I have never even met him. My comments are applicable to all threads on this site and also at the page. The BS has carried itself right over the airwaves and landed right here. You tough guys really crack me up. You make your performance threads so hostile. It is difficult for even the diplomat of Ungandaway to participate! You guys think you know it all. Maybe a smarter person is just waiting to chime in, but unwilling to becaues of the tude that is present? I will be content to let you tough guys play in your own little sandbox with 4 tall walls and a closed roof. Only a little tiny window that you only open long enough to yell out of!


Like I said before,


Nicktane,Primrose,UNI,Edge,Suncoast are all you ever need to know! No point in broadining your horizons.


Btw In my earlier post to you I was not yelling at you. I was only trying to make it abundantly clear that I am who I say. I believe there are many ghost writers manupulating the very core of this thread and this forum! I do not approve of it. If you have to log on at multiple locations you should use identitys tha promote a like persona. Playing under different identitys show a lack of character and lack of integrity. Look it up in websters if you don't understand that!


I will stay out of you tough guys threads and you stay out of mine. You can make as many jokes as you want but you know it is true. Peace out!





Edited by: Bronco

The single most important topic to me right now is where do I spend my hard earned $5000+. I need a tranny and am very interested in what this thread was SUPPOSED to be discussing. Why is it I had to suffer through TWO FULL PAGES of B.S.


I guess my post isn't helping any..............Someone get this back on topic.

I have the suncoast.......no issues....had the first one sold to an individual.....they are great people and have become good friends. Joe Webb has done everything he promised and some my experience has been the best. The tranmission has been in my truck for more than 35k miles. It was recently updated to level five and sees 470 plus rwhp daily and more than 800ftlbs. Shifts are clean and smooth with a more noticable lockup in fifth gear.(good thing)I would not hesitate to make the same choice again. I would be glad to speak to you in person pm me w/ a daytime number Ill give you a call

The single most important topic to me right now is where do I spend my hard earned $5000+. I need a tranny and am very interested in what this thread was SUPPOSED to be discussing. Why is it I had to suffer through TWO FULL PAGES of B.S.


I guess my post isn't helping any..............Someone get this back on topic.





My advice to you would be call each of the tranny shops and ask questions and tell them what you want out of it. For your needs you may not need a whole tranny rebuild. Just call ATS or Suncoast and decide for yourself.





And we have a 12,000 dollar bonder in our shop, we are in constant talk to raybestos and we know the proper bonding procedures. We have convertors out there with over 100,000 miles on them and we are not seeing problems. I bond cluthes there. I follow a strict guideline.

Amric,


Got Juice? is beta testing a tranny upgrade kit from DTT. If you have not read it already, there is a small amount of info. posted at the end of the 150HP smart box stacked with 150HP power pup thread in the power and performance section. I believe FredW started the thread? It appears that there could potentially be another tranny contender in a about a month?Edited by: Bronco

So, Bronco seems you have seen a new add for transmissions from a company you don't know and you see fit to recommend this company to another person you don't know. Will you pick up the tab when it doesn't work? I liked your post about what you do with rental cars. You have a problem, you are sick, you are a moron. You are also a post whore that is looking for attension. You blast Sdaver every chance you get , but you follow him into every post with your nose up his ass. Get a life dude. Buy a Ford and GTFOH.

Not too much to say about DTT. But I would not consider them a contender at all.

Not too much to say about DTT. But I would not consider them a contender at all.


And you guys with a broken down Duramax in SanDiego with a $6700.00 transmission that has been sitting for a few weeks are a contender? How do you guys get away with it?

Not too much to say about DTT. But I would not consider them a contender at all.


We will see..... maybe you have more info on them then i do , if so please please enlighten everyone else here. I would but i signed a Non disclosure agreement with DTT


You got something to say, say it don't beat around the bush and blow smoke or if you want to bash DTT go ahead and Call Bill Kondolay at DTT and talk trash. I doubt you have the guts to do it and i am sure he love your input....what do you have to lose?


Nothing against either Suncoast or ATS , i am sure they make a good product.... but your groundless bashing on here seems to show your own insecurity towards your own product...... if you are as good as you tell everyone you are then you have nothing in the world to be worried about with DTT ....RIGHT?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

BTW, i thought i was the only one with a beta unit.


If you have better first hand info, share it. We are all ears!

Did not realize I was bashing. Just making a statment. Sorry if you guys are jumpy. It seems you people like to argue here more then give helpfull info.


And everyone has problems, everyone.

Agian I apologize, I just meant they have not had thier product out enough for most of the people to be a contender. Not Bashing Bill or Stephan.

Agian I apologize, I just meant they have not had thier product out enough for most of the people to be a contender. Not Bashing Bill or Stephan.


DTT doesn't have an allison ready to release to the general public yet. There are only 2 of us testing right now, with feedback and data going directly back to DTT. I feel priviledged to be a part of development...


Keep in mind i went this route due to geographical reasons as well as their reputation with Dodge trannies. They have almost a cult following, and out of 15 clients of theirs i called out of the blue, there was not one dissatisfied customer. I hope feel what Bill can do with this tranny when he puts pen to paper. I probably shouldn't be posting about it at all, so i'll quit while i am ahead.


BTW as part of the program my rebuilt to stock specs tranny is sitting in their shop. The tranny in my truck is not even mine, it belongs to DTT as part of the NDA i signed to them.


Probably the most exciting is trying diff T/C's and other tweaks.... in 6 days they had my tranny re and re'd 6 times!!! i was only without my truck for 2 of those days which is way cool.


OK OK enuf outta me!

So, Bronco seems you have seen a new add for transmissions from a company you don't know and you see fit to recommend this company to another person you don't know. Will you pick up the tab when it doesn't work? I liked your post about what you do with rental cars. You have a problem, you are sick, you are a moron. You are also a post whore that is looking for attension. You blast Sdaver every chance you get , but you follow him into every post with your nose up his ass. Get a life dude. Buy a Ford and GTFOH.


Mike,


Where to start? I was not making a recomendation. Amric asked about trannys and in an attempt to inform him of possible other options I pointed him to the limited discussion about DTT. I have no intentions of providing any type of warranty. As far as what I do with rental cars? I was merely trying to express the fact that I enjoy automobiles and am not afraid to drive them hard. I have never done anything rude or uncalled for to a rental car other than a simple car and driver type test on the very back roads of Kansas,Oklahoma and Missouri. As far as being a post whore? That is fine with me. I find a great deal of satisfaction talking on this forum. So far it has pulled me away from many other vices and has been a great addition to my life. It is legal,free and helpfull. No reason not to do it. I am not looking for attention, do not really think like that. As far as Sdaver is concerned I have had only one altercation with him last Friday and it was handled privately before most even read our initial post. As far as following him with my nose up his ass? I do not really pick my post based on this criteria. As far as getting a life is concerned? I am starting to question that more every minute I spend talking to you. Buy a Ford? I already own one and have owned others in the past. I might buy one again if they prove themselves worthy. Get The ****** Out of Here? Maybe you should petition Nick to cut me off? Untill he gives me the boot, nobody is going to tell me what to do!

Looking around this morning the personal attacks are getting close to anoying ,and redundant, wake up people ....


Jab here and there OK ,I know we aren't in church but lets be decent and show some respect to each other ...

mike l wrote
"You have a problem, you are sick, you are a moron. You are also a post whore that is looking for attension. You blast Sdaver every chance you get , but you follow him into every post with your nose up his ass. Get a life dude. Buy a Ford and GTFOH."


mike your kick back check is in the mail would like like me to send it to the mike l identity or one of the other ones......... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif thanks dave

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Agian I apologize, I just meant they have not had thier product out enough for most of the people to be a contender. Not Bashing Bill or Stephan.


DTT doesn't have an allison ready to release to the general public yet. There are only 2 of us testing right now, with feedback and data going directly back to DTT. I feel priviledged to be a part of development...


Keep in mind i went this route due to geographical reasons as well as their reputation with Dodge trannies. They have almost a cult following, and out of 15 clients of theirs i called out of the blue, there was not one dissatisfied customer. I hope feel what Bill can do with this tranny when he puts pen to paper. I probably shouldn't be posting about it at all, so i'll quit while i am ahead.


BTW as part of the program my rebuilt to stock specs tranny is sitting in their shop. The tranny in my truck is not even mine, it belongs to DTT as part of the NDA i signed to them.


Probably the most exciting is trying diff T/C's and other tweaks.... in 6 days they had my tranny re and re'd 6 times!!! i was only without my truck for 2 of those days which is way cool.


OK OK enuf outta me!





So I imagine you have a constant smile on your face. It is cool to be the test guy. Keep some rubber on your tires will yahttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

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So I imagine you have a constant smile on your face. It is cool to be the test guy. Keep some rubber on your tires will yahttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


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Now you are asking too much, but i am trying not to fry the hides at every light.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif

Looking around this morning the personal attacks are getting close to anoying ,and redundant, wake up people ....


Jab here and there OK ,I know we aren't in church but lets be decent and show some respect to each other ...














I will agree with Mackin on this one.........everybody here wants the information, if the personal insults and attacks continue then the people who provide the information everyone wants will stop contributing that information.


There is a big difference between a hearty discussion and personal attacks. No-One gains a thing from these comments except we as members lose opportunities to gain knowledge and information.


Bragging rights are really important......I know.....but then a gain most people only want a straight up story, with no BS......


Bottom line is if this line of attacks is allowed to continue it will ruin it for us all.


I know there has been an effort since the beginning to keep this forum very free and open and we want to keep it that way.


We don't want to have to draw a line that can't be crossed, we are all adults are we not ?? So let's tone it down a bit shall we...


SO,


Please..post with respect, personal information is just that, PERSONAL, as well as comments about people's family and thier personal lives.





Posturing is OK, attacking others personally is not.





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TONYEdited by: GMC-2002-Dmax

Hey Got Juice,


Does DTT actually have a D/A of their own? I know that both Suncoast and ATS did the development and testing on their own trucks, not the customers.


If they wanted to go out and powerbrake launch the truck until the tranny grenades they could do so. If they destroyed the motor or driveline in the process it was their development dollars to cover the loss.


How far do you have to push the limits with your gear?

Looking around this morning the personal attacks are getting close to anoying ,and redundant, wake up people ....


Jab here and there OK ,I know we aren't in church but lets be decent and show some respect to each other ...







I'm going to start ignoring transmission threads because there isn't much useful information in them and they usually turn into personal attack threads. Why do you think I stayed out of this thread as long as I did? I knew what would happen. Here is my final word on the tranny discussion. I know what tranny makes my truck fast and puts all the power to the ground truck pulling. Hopefully the guys that don't pull and don't dragrace can help those with questions about which tranny is better for pulling and dragracing. See ya at the track. Edited by: mtomac

Hey Got Juice,


Does DTT actually have a D/A of their own? I know that both Suncoast and ATS did the development and testing on their own trucks, not the customers.


If they wanted to go out and powerbrake launch the truck until the tranny grenades they could do so. If they destroyed the motor or driveline in the process it was their development dollars to cover the loss.


How far do you have to push the limits with your gear?





Brandon, DTT has had not one, but 2 duramaxes, the second will be in shortly.


They also run a ford dually and had a Dodge 2500 pushing well over 600 hp


The reason Bill asked me to help R&amp;D is that i do push above and beyond what most people do to their trucks.


There is more to breaking a tranny than dragracing. I do that as well, but more importantly i pull heavy loads; my truck works and works hard try WOT throttle shifts while towing 12K-22K lbs....up grades approaching 12% at elevations of 5800' ASL


I want it all, a reliable towing tranny that doubles as a racer.


As far as blowing things up on the truck, i have done so and i am none too proud of it either. ATS and Suncoast have had their problems on client trucks...so are these cases strictly isolated to those individuals being beta testors??? i think not, you can break anything if you try hard enough. My point is that i am participating in a development program.... you don't have to like it as it is not on your truck; its on mine. You want answers ..talk to Bill.


I have beta tested other products as well, such as the edge juice when it was in its 60 hp infancy and look where it is now.


So now i am on the trailing edge of tranny development. No different than box testing or turbo testing.

Juice,


I don't know why you have your panties in a twist with such a simple question.


Good luck with your testing.

Juice,


I don't know why you have your panties in a twist with such a simple question.


Good luck with your testing.





Sorry Brandon, i my nerves are fried and i took it out on you....work is so darn busy right now i can't see straight. Slap me if i do it again will ya!


I guess i should take an adavan and then post LOL