Just to give everyone a heads up.

The South Bend Clutch Single mass Flywheels and Clutch kits that me and Peter have been working on for the last few months will be nearing completion soon!!!

I will be giving you all step by step updates as to what's going on and what you can expect with the new clutch and flywheel kits.

This is going to be an exciting time that I know everyone has been waiting for including myself, I want to thank all of you who have helped with this project on and off the site. The DP members that have been posting in all my previous threads have been integral to the success of this project and you can all say that you've been involved with a new and wonderful product.

Next I would also like to give a big thanks and recongition to Peter Pyfer at South Bend Clutch for making such a great product, if it were not for Peter none of this would have been possible and I would still be looking for a machine shop to mill some flywheels!!! LOL, Peter has been more than wonderful to partner with through out this project and has shown that he and South Bend Clutch truely are the best of the best and make a product that is second to none!!!

In the next few weeks there will be a lot going on and if anyone has any questions for me about the clutches or flywheels, please feel free to contact me via my Cell# 303-931-0674 or by PM here on the site. I will be available 24/7 via my cell so don't worry about time zones, I'm too busy to sleep anyway. I'm always here and willing to help with anything so don't be affraid to ask.

Cheers, Wade

how many hp's will the clutch hold

how many hp's will the clutch hold

With our trucks it's not so much the HP as it is the TQ. But I would estimate that the double disk clutch should be more than capable of holding 600+hp without issue's. That would most likely be in the 1100ftlbs range. Now you can probably push the limits well past what the clutch will be rated at, but you'll be doing so at your own risk and it may effect the longevity of the clutch.

Once the clutch's are rated I'll let you know, like I said above it's just an estimate and the actual rated numbers may be higher.

Cheers, Wade

ecc_33 This is the guy to get your clutch from.He's been very helpfull in answering all my questions and he'll be intsalling one of these clutches my truck as soon as they are avaliable.Then I can start playing with some power. ):h ):h

ecc_33 This is the guy to get your clutch from.He's been very helpfull in answering all my questions and he'll be intsalling one of these clutches my truck as soon as they are avaliable.Then I can start playing with some power. ):h ):h

Oh yeah, bring on the power!!!

Thanks 01Duramax6spd, I've tried to help out as much as possible but it's people like yourself that I get pleasure helping out, that's why I started this project, to help the ZF6 owners.

Oh yeah, bring on the power!!!

Thanks 01Duramax6spd, I've tried to help out as much as possible but it's people like yourself that I get pleasure helping out, that's why I started this project, to help the ZF6 owners.

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Thanks.
jc

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Thanks.
jc

You bet!! I can't let the Allison guys can't have all the fun :) .

I talked with Peter today and he said he is ready to "Rock and Roll"!!! just finishing up some last minute things before the prototype is ready to ship for some testing, mainly fitment, balance, feel, performance, ect.... I talked with him breifly in regards to time frames with the clutch availability and he informed me that it's going to be tenative based on how fast he can get them machined, but a good guess would be around the beginning of October, I'll keep you all posted.

So lets get ready, the DMF problems are going to be history real soon!!! :ro) :ro)

I appreciate everybody's support with this project, especially my friend in Wisconsin who helped me tremendously!!! I couldn't have done any of this without your help, Thanks!!

And for everyone that has already put your name on the waiting list, I'll be sending you weekly updates aswell, I too appreciate all your support!!

Cheers, Wade

Sounds great Wade.Just to let you guys know,I met Wade the other day and he is a great guy and more than willing to help out in any way he can.

beginning of october is starting to sound REAL nice!! I can't hardly wait!!!!

Just talked with Peter and he's still waiting on the Machine shop to finish up with the flywheel balancing. The test kits should be ready real soon, which means the kits will be ready for production shortly after I install the test kit and make sure the balancing is correct.

I'm sorry I can't give you and exact date yet but I'll continue to let everybody know what's going on and I'll definently inform you as soon as the test kit has been sent!!!

Thanks for your patience, it will be well rewarded when everything is finished!!

Cheers, Wade

So how are they coming along? Any set prices yet?

So how are they coming along? Any set prices yet?

I just talked with Peter just a couple days ago and he informed me that he'll have the price sheets completed when the kits are ready to be released to the public. You can expect something really close to $1750 for the dual disk setup with the flywheel, prices on the single won't be determined untill those are available aswell.

I hope this helps and I'll let you know how things go in the next week or so.

Cheers, Wade

Well the test kit will be ready tomorrow and will be sent out for balance testing this week. I will conduct performance testing shortly after the initial test kit is sent out to confirm the balance.

This is going to be a great break through for the ZF6 owners out there and I think you'll be more than happy with the results!!!

Also when I talked with Peter today, he said that full production will be ready in about a week and a half. So all you guys trying to baby your clutch will soon be ready to romp and stomp!!! :ro) :ro)

Can't wait to hear the results!!!

Wade,
I have been out of pocket since Katrina....but it is good to hear the clutch will be coming soon. Keep me informed.

I'll look forward to hearing how things go. I'm sure I'll need one in the future...

Wade,
I have been out of pocket since Katrina....but it is good to hear the clutch will be coming soon. Keep me informed.

I most certainly will!! How are you guys doing down there?? is everything starting to return to normal in your area??

I'll look forward to hearing how things go. I'm sure I'll need one in the future...

As much as I hate to say it, I'm almost positive that you'll need one in the future. But I'll get ya taken care of when the time comes, just let me know when your ready.

Cheers, Wade

God i cant wait, I NEED a cluch SO BAD.

I most certainly will!! How are you guys doing down there?? is everything starting to return to normal in your area??

Ever soooooo slowly.

As much as I hate to say it, I'm almost positive that you'll need one in the future. But I'll get ya taken care of when the time comes, just let me know when your ready.

Cheers, Wade

You'll probably be the first one to know when the time comes. No rattles yet, and I'm sure it has had a new flywheel at some point. Only time will tell.

Well so much for the balance testing this week!!! Looks like the machinest is making a new one due to the fact it was improperly machined the first time and has to be completely remade since it was too small.

I know many of you are patiently waiting for the kits to be completed and I'll continue to keep you posted on the progress. Thanks again for all you patience with this project, sometimes we hit small bumps in the road that slow us down but the destination will be well worth the wait!!!!

Thanks again,
Wade

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That's pretty funny BigOL3!!!!

Thanks, I really do appreciate you guys holding on as long as you have, I know I'll be sleeping better at night once this thing is finished!!!!

Have a good night!!

Cheers, Wade

Not to seem impatient Wade, but have you got another guestimated time frame for us? My clutch is still holding, but don't know for how long. The update is always appreciated!!

Not to seem impatient Wade, but have you got another guestimated time frame for us? My clutch is still holding, but don't know for how long. The update is always appreciated!!

Well Peter is off today so I don't have any exact time frames for you, but I was told that the balance test kit would be out no later then next week. Everything will move extremely quick once the test kit has been approved and things are going into production.

The hardest part of this whole thing is getting ahold of the huge blocks of billet steel that's required to make the flywheels, as many of you know China is buying up all the steel and finding the right stuff for the right price is extremely hard, so naturally when we run into snags like this it takes a little longer.

I'll give you all an update tomorrow as to what's going on and see if I can't pry some exact dates from Peter.

Thanks, Wade

Any news Wade, been a week since we heard your last update. Just curious..... Thanks man!!

Sorry it took me so long to get back to ya, I'll be talking with Peter on Monday about the test kit, so as soon as I get off the phone with him I'll post a more informed reply as to when exactly we are looking to be able to start shipping. At this point it should only be at most a week or two before everything will be completed as long as everything goes as planned. Talk to ya soon!!

Cheers, Wade

Cool thanks Wade!

Ok, here's the latest update from Peter, the test kit will be leaving SBC on Wednesday!!! there was some problems with the CNC machine and it had to get repaired, but everything should be wrapped up and ready to go in a couple of days.

And for all of you guys asking about the single disks I have an update on pricing and status for you, just shoot me a PM for the details!!

Cheers, Wade

ok. I'm a fairly new member and this is my first post, so I will appologize ahead of time.... If I'm not doing something right, somone let me know. I've been following this thread for a while, and like a lot of the members posting on here I am encountering problems with my DMF and am a little curious, so anyone who can help me...... Will the solid design of the SMF effect the service life of the other drivetrain components like the clutch? I've tried searching past threads for some help but didnt come up with much. So if anyone knows of past conversations discussing this, just tell me that im lost and have no idea what I'm doing and to keep searching. Any help in this matter would be awesome.

Thanks,
TW

ok. I'm a fairly new member and this is my first post, so I will appologize ahead of time.... If I'm not doing something right, somone let me know. I've been following this thread for a while, and like a lot of the members posting on here I am encountering problems with my DMF and am a little curious, so anyone who can help me...... Will the solid design of the SMF effect the service life of the other drivetrain components like the clutch? I've tried searching past threads for some help but didnt come up with much. So if anyone knows of past conversations discussing this, just tell me that im lost and have no idea what I'm doing and to keep searching. Any help in this matter would be awesome.

Thanks,
TW

You don't ever have to worry about asking me any questions, I'm always more than willing to help!!!

As far as effecting the clutch life, the SMF will greatly increase the clutch life. The rest of the drive train components will see very little increase in wear if any by going with the SMF. But keep in mind that would depend on how your driving habbits with the SMF clutch kit are, you can put much more power to the ground with a performance clutch setup and can possibly increase the wear on the transmission and drivetrain parts over time just like any other performance modification. But to answer your question directly, there has been no indication that a SMF flywheel will effect any other drivetrain part.

Hope this helps, feel free to ask as many questions as you want, I'm always ears!!!

Cheers, Wade

Just talked with Peter and it looks like he's going to be picking the flywheel up from the machinest and shipping out the test kit, hopefully today :ro) . He said that the machine shop has already got the billet blocks of steel ready to go so we shouldn't have a shortage on getting them to make the flywheels after everything is tested :thumb: .

The casting for the single disk flywheel will start full steam once the double disk kits are tested and released. Right now it's taking up much of Peters time trying to get this dual disk ket ready, but it should all be worth it in the end!!! Just so you guys know, the single disks should be able to hold roughly 400-475hp at the rear wheels, but that may change up or down after Peter gets them completed and tested. What the single is going to be designed for is someone that has a mild to hot "Box" or Program, and likes to get on it every once in a while. If you are planning on custom tuning on a LB7, Nitrous, Lots of Propane and like to beat the ever loving crap out of it then I would definently recommend going with the dual disk clutch!!!

I'll keep you all updated on the staus of everything as it becomes available!!

Cheers,
Wade

Thanks for the update and the power holding info.

Thanks for the update and the power holding info.

My pleasure!! :thumb:

Hey Dieseldummy,

Looks like you better have the beer and pizza ready, the clutches are going to be on their way soon, I'll let you know what date's I'll be able to start shipping these badboys hopefully next week sometime!!!

Cheers,
Wade

Cool, Hopefully I wont need one quite that soon, but one never knows...

How "driveable" will the Single disk be? Will there be a significant increase or decrease in the hardness of the clutch pedal? Will it make the truck more susceptible to jerking or hopping when making sharp turns on blacktop or other hard surfaces? I understand that more power to the rear wheels and less slippage will mean some changes to the way the truck behaves but I want to know if it will feel like an entirely different vehicle.

I would like to know the same, I understand HP comes at a bit of a price when compared to drivability in these six speeds, but I hate harsh clutch chatter and I want anyone of my crew members, family, girlfriend, ect. to be able to drive this thing with little problems. THe HD clutch I have now chatters really bad and it drives me completely Censored crazy . I don't mind if it grabs a little bit more, but I hate being bounced out of the cab when trying to start out in second gear! Thanks for the insight!:ro)
J-HEFF

I would like to know the same, I understand HP comes at a bit of a price when compared to drivability in these six speeds, but I hate harsh clutch chatter and I want anyone of my crew members, family, girlfriend, ect. to be able to drive this thing with little problems. THe HD clutch I have now chatters really bad and it drives me completely Censored crazy . I don't mind if it grabs a little bit more, but I hate being bounced out of the cab when trying to start out in second gear! Thanks for the insight!:ro)
J-HEFF

I have some of the same questions......but I really don't care about who can't handle driving it. If they ain't man enough.....just stay out of MY TRUCK!):h

Many of us do want/need others to drive and the drivability issue a concern of mine too. I'd only look at the single but my long range plan is to drive this truck into the ground. Next month it's paid for free and clear and I'll have kids starting to drive in a couple years. I'm going to drive this until they start driving then get a new LBXYZ by then for me. When I taught my brother how to drive a stick I had to take him on a gravel road. He kept killing my 450Hp big block 4x4 or spinning the tires. At least on gravel if the tires spun he could learn. It's funny enough seeing my wife take off in my truck the rare times she does.

I know the dual disc is performance related but when the single is ready you may want to video or audio record a pre and post install to document the extra rattling a single mass will produce. Regardless of the quality if you use the same equipment you should be able to notice the difference.

6spd's aren't hard to learn to drive.My little brother{15} jumped in my and never missed a beat from the first time:ro),but he doen't mess around,spool the turbo and lite em' up):h. Wonder where he learned it. It's people that try to be too careful that have problems.Just push on the right peddle and:grd:.

I can understand your guys points, but I have a large crew and my truck is driven by a lot of different people, and sometimes I have to have somebody go run parts, pickup other people, move equipment, ect. I want anyone to be able to drive it with ease, and honestly, I recieve no compliments on how my duramax clutch feels, or the throttle too. I personally don't like it at all, I can drive it smooth, but few others can, I like the feel of Ford and Dodge much better than the feel of mine. I just want this thing to be hassle free to drive, I put on 40,000-50,000 miles a year, and I don't want to have to fight this thing. ;) If I could just get a smoother clutch and stronger flywheel, I would have no complaints.:ro)
Later all!
J-HEFF

Ok guys,

Here's the scoop, the single disk will be the best for driving around town, back and forth to work, smoking some ricer's from time to time, ect.... It's not going to be the power holding monster that the double disk will be. Of course it will be a little more grabby just due to the fact your not going to have the DMF taking some of the initial grunt of starting out. You may notice a very slight increase in petal pressure but I doubt you'll even tell a difference.

The double disk will be much more grabby but will be very driveable, it shouldn't jump and shudder unless of course you pop the clutch which wouldn't be very adviseable considering the amount of torque the engine can produce and the clamping ability of the double disck.

I think that most of you will have no problems driving the double disk on a regular basis, but those of you that have lots of other people driving your trucks I would recomend the single disk, it'll take much less time getting used to.

Cheers,
Wade

Thanks for the insight Wade.
I think the single disk would be best for me, I plan on running the bully dog Rapid Power module, it has a max HP increase of 103HP and 200FT/LB torque, which I won't run all the time, just incase I need it:) , but mostly I'll run the 40hp, 100lb/ft torque setting, so I just want something smooth that can handle around 400 hp and 700 or so lb/ft of torque. I assume the single disk will handle this just fine??:o: Thanks again for the insight.

Later,
J-HEFF

Wade, Thanks for the response on the driveability of the single disk. Hopefully I will be able to put together some cash in the near future and make it happen.

Thanks for the insight Wade.
I think the single disk would be best for me, I plan on running the bully dog Rapid Power module, it has a max HP increase of 103HP and 200FT/LB torque, which I won't run all the time, just incase I need it:) , but mostly I'll run the 40hp, 100lb/ft torque setting, so I just want something smooth that can handle around 400 hp and 700 or so lb/ft of torque. I assume the single disk will handle this just fine??:o: Thanks again for the insight.

Later,
J-HEFF

You'll be fine with the single disk!! :thumb:

Wade, Thanks for the response on the driveability of the single disk. Hopefully I will be able to put together some cash in the near future and make it happen.

No problem!!

I'll let you guys know what's going on with the test kit Monday of next week, I'm hoping to have some good news for ya!!! :ro) :ro)

Cheers,
Wade

which clutch kit would be best to fit the tts extreme? what are the horsepower numbers between the single and double disk kits?

which clutch kit would be best to fit the tts extreme? what are the horsepower numbers between the single and double disk kits?

I don't have exact figures for you just yet on the difference between the single and double disk just yet, I will know more after Peter completes the first single disk test kit.

For the TTS Extreme I would recommend doing the double disk kit just to be on the safe side. The TTS Extreme is a very powerful program and I would say if your going with the Extreme you are probably going to beat on it pretty good. I would say that the single should be able to hold it but it would be more of a longevity issue with you running a program that big.

I will keep you all informed of how the single's are performing as soon as we have a test kit ready.

The double disk test kit is complete and already shipped, if all goes well and nothing has to be changed with the flywheel balancing then they will go into full production real soon. It looks like the moment we have all been waiting for is almost here, let just keep our fingers crossed and hope nothing else comes up!!!

:grd: :grd:

Cheers,
Wade

Well it looks like the test kit will need to be refined slightly so the full production of the clutch will be slightly delayed, I'll let you all know what I find out from Peter tomorrow.

I know many of your are ready for this saga to be over but with all great products takes some time to get them just right, thank you all for you patience with this project, I know it's been a little never racking at times but the end result will be well worth it in the end, from the customer service, to the availability of parts when you need them. Hopefully this will be easily fixed and we'll be back on track before too long.

In the mean time if you have any concerns about anything feel free to shoot me a PM or give me a call on my cell# 303-931-0674.

Cheers,
Wade

Well I just got off the phone with Peter and it looks like there was a little too much material left on the back side of the Flywheel for it to bolt onto the crank correctly. He said that it's not a big problem by any means and he plans on having it fixed pretty much as soon as it comes back, maybe about an 1/2 hour of work. The good news is that it's material he can take off and not something that will cause him to start all over.

Within the next week or so we will know if the balance is correct and as soon as that information is received full production will begin and I can start shipping these things out!!!

Thanks guys for hangin in there, I know that all of you have been waiting far too long and have been nursing your current clutches and I appreciate you guys hangin in there!!!!

Just a little bit longer and I'm sure I'll start seeing you guys posting plenty of kill stories with your souped up hand shakers!!!! :grd: :grd:

Cheers,
Wade

So is this the first time You have been told your crank was too big wade? ):h

So is this the first time You have been told your crank was too big wade? ):h

LMFAO !!!! ):h ):h ):h

I should've known either you or Scott would have come back with some smart a$$ remark!!!!

and to answer your question, not it wasn't the first time :D .

Cheers,
Wade

Hey, stop talking about my CRANK!

Hey, stop talking about my CRANK!

Ya Ratlover, stop talking about his crank, next thing ya know we'll end up seeing pictures of you dancing around in womens underwear............Oh wait, those are already out!!! ):h ):h

Ya Ratlover, stop talking about his crank, next thing ya know we'll end up seeing pictures of you dancing around in womens underwear............Oh wait, those are already out!!! ):h ):h

Thanks but no visual required on that one!!!!! -:t

PRITJ! :nutkick:

Just talked with the folks over at South Bend and it looks like Peter's wife might be going home soon, Peter will most likely take this next week off to help with his wife's recovery but I'm just relieved that she's going to be ok. I'll let you guys know how everything is going as soon as Peter is back in action.

Cheers,
Wade

any word on price for a sbc smf and clutch kit? just a conservative ballpark would be fine. i havent even started pricing clutches yet, so i dont know what to expect. it will be a year or more before im ready to buy, but just tring to get my ducks in a row as far as budget goes. thanks!

any word on price for a sbc smf and clutch kit? just a conservative ballpark would be fine. i havent even started pricing clutches yet, so i dont know what to expect. it will be a year or more before im ready to buy, but just tring to get my ducks in a row as far as budget goes. thanks!

A rough ball park from Peter was around $1000 or less for the single disk clutch with a Single mass flywheel. This may change based on how the project goes on making the cast single mass flywheel and how cost effective Peter can make it. I will let you know more on the progress as it starts to take form, right now we are just starting to finish up with the Dual disk clutch kits with the billet flywheels, once those are done and ready for shipping the singles will be next in line.

Cheers,
Wade

Just to give everyone an update, Peter's wife is doing much better now and is at home. Peter said that for some reason her lungs just stopped working and she was without air for about 4 minutes, brain damage can start anywhere from 4-6 minutes. She was a little out of it when she finally came to and thought it was 1980 something and Reagan was still president, but after a few days of Peter helping her recover she's seems to be back with us in 2005. Peter would like to thank everyone for their kind thoughts and prayers while he and his wife were going through this rough time.

As for the clutches, everything is already back together and ready to ship but there is a holdup due to the fact their might be an issue with the ring gear spacing and Peter is getting some measurements to insure that everything is correct before he sends it back out. The blocks of steel are ready, center plates are done, and he has enough ring gears to get the party started.

Just to let everyone know that is already on my list of buyers and those of you that will be on this list in the near future is to provide your old DMF flywheels in exchange for a discount on your new clutch kit. This will help insure that Peter has enough flywheel ring gears to continue with production without delays. Keep in mind this is optional and not a CORE as of yet but it may be in the future, PM me for discount details.

Let me know if you have any questions in the mean time, if not I'll update you guys as soon as the clutch has been reshipped.

Cheers,
Wade

OK Wade,

Coming in last night from a week long camping trip, VA set on 70 HP pulling my 10.5k 5th wheel. Climbing a small hill with the cruise on and the engine RPMs jumped from 1800 to 3000. I quickly kicked off the cruise and turned the VA off. Made it home ok but I will not pull the 5er again until the clutch is replaced.

Wade you have another extremely interested party for the single disk setup.

MaxRock

Maxrock: You're not the only one that has had that "rev" experience.I thought I'd just play a little yesterday with my VA,so I kicked it on 200+ and let it smoke:badidea: .It did for a 100 feet or so):h and just completely stopped turning the tranny -:t .Boy will I be glad to have my clutch.

.Boy will I be glad to have my clutch.

I second that!!!

I got you guys covered!! I'll give you guys a better update in the next day or so.

Hang in there!!

Cheers,
Wade

i think this is the answer to my praiers...2nd clutch making ratting noise and found rivits in the inspection plateCensored ...dealer said wood take a look (mabye falty) but told him wanted to wait for a duel disk set up...:ro) :ro) this was on a stocker i'm looking to add on to...

i think this is the answer to my praiers...2nd clutch making ratting noise and found rivits in the inspection plateCensored ...dealer said wood take a look (mabye falty) but told him wanted to wait for a duel disk set up...:ro) :ro) this was on a stocker i'm looking to add on to...

Tazz, you have the right idea!!!

The best place to start with performance in my opinion is with the drivetrain, once you can put the power to the ground it's much easier to make the power. I'll keep you all posted and will hopefully have some new information for you sometime this week.

Stay tuned and thanks again for all your patience!!

Cheers,
Wade

Ok, just talked with Peter and it looks like everything is back together and ready to be shipped back for testing. Peter said that he had a chance to make some minor tweaks to the counter balancing and everything should be ready to go. He said that it should arrive by Friday for installation!!!

Stay tuned, the saga will soon be over!!

Cheers,
Wade

I'm going to Dyno my truck this weekend. I'll see what Level 2 is putting down and see if it will hold level 3. I know going down the road on 3 and I roll into it rattles REALLY bad and slips just a little at first so I don't think it'll hold on the Dyno but I would like to just have some #'s to tell people and to see what it's like run on one. Wish me luck! I hope to be one level 4 sometime soon.

Wade, all I want for X-mas is a SMF! :help: :lol:

The dyno doesn't seem as hard on the clutch as the street is. I would turn it all the way up after your first run and see if it blows through the clutch or not, you might be supprised. Good luck and big numbers.

Thanks and I will hope to have #'s to go with my SIG next week. I hope I don't wait in line and then not get to run. I can't wait till Sat.:D

I'm going to Dyno my truck this weekend. I'll see what Level 2 is putting down and see if it will hold level 3. I know going down the road on 3 and I roll into it rattles REALLY bad and slips just a little at first so I don't think it'll hold on the Dyno but I would like to just have some #'s to tell people and to see what it's like run on one. Wish me luck! I hope to be one level 4 sometime soon.

Wade, all I want for X-mas is a SMF! :help: :lol:

Good luck buddy!!

I would have to agree with Nick on the dyno thing depending on what kind of dyno it was. If it's a load bearing SuperFlow or a Mustang then you could run into problems on the higher power levels, but if it's just a Dyno Jet with a resistance weighted drum you should be able to turn it up a little.

LOL, I'll see what I can do Farmer!!

Cheers,
Wade

wade, will the sbc clutches be a higher rateing than the centerforce double disk clutch they got out?? i know that they make good clutches for small block chevys but only rate the duramax clutch at 800ft/lbs tq. no horse power rating.. still now idea on when the SBC smf/ddc will be avalbile?? 2nd clutch rattling at 40,000 and probley be gone buy end of this year do to winter driving..

They are getting real close to having them completed. I would wait for the SBC set up. Wade will stand behind his.

wade, will the sbc clutches be a higher rateing than the centerforce double disk clutch they got out?? i know that they make good clutches for small block chevys but only rate the duramax clutch at 800ft/lbs tq. no horse power rating.. still now idea on when the SBC smf/ddc will be avalbile?? 2nd clutch rattling at 40,000 and probley be gone buy end of this year do to winter driving..

The SBC clutch kits will be able to handle much more then 800 ft/lbs, the weak link isn't just the clutch, it's the flywheel that causes most of the problems and with the SBC flywheel and clutch kit you will eliminate all of these problems. The SBC double disk clutch kit and Single mass flywheel should have no problems holding 650+ hp and well over 11-1200 ft/lbs. This will be verified with a few testers that I'll have testing the finished product once the flywheel balance is verified.

And Farmer, thanks for the kind words, I appreciate it!!

Cheers,
Wade

That's right,buy from Wade and you'll get taken care of:exactly: ,buy elsewhere at your own risk :eek: .

Haha maybe u guys should ask GM if they would like to make a joint venture on masss production of the clutches and put them in the HDs so we can get an LBZ with a stick at the LBZ levels not the defuled lly at 300 hp with 520ft.:grd:

Haha maybe u guys should ask GM if they would like to make a joint venture on masss production of the clutches and put them in the HDs so we can get an LBZ with a stick at the LBZ levels not the defuled lly at 300 hp with 520ft.:grd:

Not a bad idea!! but I doubt that GM would put forth the effort to do anything for the ZF guys due to the fact that they don't sell enough of them to put forth the effort to make them right in the first place.

Great idea though!!!

Cheers,
Wade

P.S. Maybe I'll call them just in case, if they say yes then I'll give you a clutch for free!!! ):h ):h

Heck a GM rep. told me the reason they won't up the power level is because the ZF6 will not hold it. I looked at him and rolled my eyes and told him to come and lets take a ride. He declined though.:smashfrea His loss. Like Wade said the large demand is not there and I'm sure GM makes more money off selling the Alli's.

Sounds like a deal wade!:grd: Maybe the reason handshakers seem to be the minority is because we all know the problems of the clutch flywheel. I bet if there was a clutch and flywheel in those trucks that will not go out all the time there would be more people ordering them. I mean look how many people out there with a dodge have a 6 speed. There are even quite a few ford people with sticks. Gm just needs to find the right set up (Wade's:lol: ) and i really think there would be a market for them.

Here's my theary.The reason there are so many Dodge's with 6spd's is because that's where all the GM guys went when they couldn't get a D-Max 6spd off the lot.I know this because I talked to a guy on the Dodge lot just the other day that was there because Dodge had 50-60% 6spd's on their lot. GM's reasoning sucks. There need to be more of us ordering them.

Nahh, actually the real reason is the alli is a damm good tranny. I love my ZF-6 but when it comes down to it the GM did the right thing by partnering with Allison! Why shift when you can get an automatic that can pull and handle loads as well as a manual...unless like most of us with the ZF...we really like to shift!!! JMO

That's right,buy from Wade and you'll get taken care of:exactly: ,buy elsewhere at your own risk :eek: .

Care to elaborate on your experiences or knowlege of "elsewhere"???

There need to be more of us ordering them.

'06 CCSB LLY/ZF6 on order - TPW 12/19

Can't wait to throw my own gears again. Was going to get another Ally, but the wife said I drive the truck, I should get what I want. What a nice wifey! Just wish I could have gotten it with power leather buckets, but that's what the aftermarket is for. I can't wait.

Ty

I think you are all on the right track with bits and pieces of why their are not more ZF's. If you look at it from a corporate stand point aswell as a consumer stand point I think that the reasoning is pretty obvious. The primary reason that the Dodge dealerships carry so many of the manual tran's instead of the auto's is the reliability aspect of the Dodge Automatic. Dodge has had a long history of weak Automatic transmissions and the Dodge loyalist knows this, that's why they buy the Manual's. And now that GM has Allison which is a proven commercial Automatic tranny name stuffing their tranny behind the Duramax, they will most likely continue to produce very little ZF6's. I know when I bought my truck the biggest selling point for me was the trans, at that point the Duramax wasn't a very proven motor but what I did know is that it had an Allison, it was far more quiet then the competition and had great fuel mileage.

But no matter what the reasoning is behind it I would still like to see GM step up and fix the problem's associated with the ZF6's flywheel to make them more reliable regardless of if it took some of my business away with SBC clutch kits, it would still be worth it to see you guys taken care of!!!

Duramaxedout,

I think that Kyle has the right to comment on the level of service that he has received from me, all he stated is that if you go somewhere else you do so at your own risk, he's only commenting on the customer service and the way that I have treated him, he never bashed anyone else with false statements, only shared what he has experienced.

Let's get this back on Topic :D

It's only a matter of time now guys!! I don't know that we'll be able to have clutches ready to ship before X-mas but I don't think it will be much longer.

I also wanted to wish everyone a wonderful holiday season and I hope that everyone will have a wonderful and safe holiday this year!!

Cheers,
Wade

'06 CCSB LLY/ZF6 on order - TPW 12/19

Can't wait to throw my own gears again. Was going to get another Ally, but the wife said I drive the truck, I should get what I want. What a nice wifey! Just wish I could have gotten it with power leather buckets, but that's what the aftermarket is for. I can't wait.

Ty

Ty, That's great news!!! I'm sure that you'll love your new truck and hopefully they have improved the new flywheels enough to bring you many years of reliable service.

If in fact you do wanna go with some more power and the stock clutch and flywheel don't like it at least you know where to go to get it fixed!!!

If you need any help on truck setup or have any questions about anything feel free to ask, I'm always willing to help in anyway I can.

Cheers,
Wade

I know that Wade will take care of you,I don't know about anyone else. Anymore it's hard to find good custumer service but Wade has made a point to go the extra mile keeping us informed and answering questions we may have so I'm sure he will continue his good service:exactly: .
Yes the Allison is the best auto but it's still not a manuel.I borrowed my Dads D-Max/Allison to pull another truck the other day because mine was in the body shop.It pulled good but has to be pushed much more on hills and doesn't have the control my 6spd does.

I do know some people would buy D-Max's instead of CTD if they could get 6spd's.My neighbor was looking at a D-Max but no 6spd on the lot so to the Dodge dealer he went.

I knew when I ordered that the new SMF and clutch were in my future...

Like it was stated earlier, I'll still be $$$ way ahead compared to having bought the LBZ...

I can't wait to hear about the dual discs driveability. This truck is being purchased with thoughts of children in the very near future.

Hey Guys,

Well I have some good news and some bad news. The good news is that the flywheel's balance was right on when it was installed and tested this weekend so we don't have to worry about doing anything with the counter balance of the flywheel. The bad news is that there was some engagement issue's that Peter is trying to get worked out, when everything was installed and the truck was put into 1st gear it wasn't engaging correctly. So the clutch is going to be picked up and shipped back to Peter tomorrow and he'll see if there was some possible spacing issue's with some of the disks or if there is more machine work that needs to be done to the flywheel.

So I'm sorry to say that I don't think we will have any clutches to ship before X-Mas. Sorry Fella's.

But I do have some more good news for some of you 6L Ford guys, Peter is working on some single and Dual disk puller/street Clutches!! So I will also keep you Ford guys in the loop of the progress if your interested.

Sorry to be the one to give you guys the bad news but I'm hoping that I can give you some good news shortly!!

Cheers,
Wade

Here's the million dollar question, are these clutches gonna be available for the 6.0L guys here by spring? Is he just modifying the single disc and dual disc sets for the duramax to fit the 6.0L flywheel since we both have a ZF-6? Is he going to use a SMF or DMF on the 6.0L? :ro)

Here's the million dollar question, are these clutches gonna be available for the 6.0L guys here by spring? Is he just modifying the single disc and dual disc sets for the duramax to fit the 6.0L flywheel since we both have a ZF-6? Is he going to use a SMF or DMF on the 6.0L? :ro)

Well you asked some very good questions, I wish I could answer them all off the top of my head but unfortunately I'm not involved with making the 6.0L clutch setup, when I was talking with Peter he had mentioned them so I figured that since I hadn't heard about them before I would post something for you guys. I will however ask Peter about all you questions and time frames the next time I speak with him, then I'll post an update for you.

I do believe that it will be a SMF Flywheel...........DMF's suck!!!!

Cheers,
Wade

Hey Guys,

Well I have some good news and some bad news. The good news is that the flywheel's balance was right on when it was installed and tested this weekend so we don't have to worry about doing anything with the counter balance of the flywheel. The bad news is that there was some engagement issue's that Peter is trying to get worked out, when everything was installed and the truck was put into 1st gear it wasn't engaging correctly. So the clutch is going to be picked up and shipped back to Peter tomorrow and he'll see if there was some possible spacing issue's with some of the disks or if there is more machine work that needs to be done to the flywheel.

So I'm sorry to say that I don't think we will have any clutches to ship before X-Mas. Sorry Fella's.

But I do have some more good news for some of you 6L Ford guys, Peter is working on some single and Dual disk puller/street Clutches!! So I will also keep you Ford guys in the loop of the progress if your interested.

Sorry to be the one to give you guys the bad news but I'm hoping that I can give you some good news shortly!!

Cheers,
Wade

C'mon Wade...........no more bad news.):h I want/need that new flywheel/clutch. Hopefully, my old one will hold out until then.

C'mon Wade...........no more bad news.):h I want/need that new flywheel/clutch. Hopefully, my old one will hold out until then.

I hate having to give you guys bad news!! :( I can't wait untill the day I can update you guys on the completion of the kits!!

I hope that your clutch holds together, hang in there buddy, I hope I can get you taken care of really soon :thumb: .

Cheers,
Wade

Sounds good. I just want something that I can launch in 4th gear-4low with instead of 3rd gear. I'll wait to hear from you. BTW UBDmaxinThemHoes :ro)

Sounds good. I just want something that I can launch in 4th gear-4low with instead of 3rd gear. I'll wait to hear from you. BTW UBDmaxinThemHoes :ro)

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I'm sure that whatever Peter ends up making for the new Fords will be more than capable of doing what your looking for. I'll give you some more information as soon as I talk with Peter.

Cheers,
Wade

Alrighty guys, I just talked with Peter today and it looks like the flywheels are to be going into production in the next couple of days or so. The hold up was the balance tester had told Peter that the balance on the flywheel was off, it turns out that this information was incorrect and the balance of the flywheel was verified, so the good news is that the flywheels are going into production and I am going to be able to have at least the first 10 of these in stock personally so there will be no delay in having these available once they are complete. I have already talked with Peter and arangements have already been made to receive the first stock of these clutches so let me know if you want one and I'll add your name to the list of the first people to get them.

Once again, I will personally have at least 10 or possibly more of these clutches in stock and ready to ship with no delay once the flywheels have been cut.

Let me know if you have any questions and I'll be more than happy to help out!!

Cheers,
Wade

Looks like the big day is finally here.:exactly: Time for the fun to begin.):h ):h

Good to hear that things are drawing near. I now have to decide on the single or dual disc clutch.

keep us posted

I'm still waiting on my new truck.But as soon as i have any problems with the DMF i will be in the market for a SMF/single disc.Does anyone know if GM would try to void the warranty if installed?

Fred

I already have several orders from dealerships that I work with and they are completely supporting the SMF, I don't think that all of the dealerships will follow the change but if they deal with lots of farmers and they really care about the customer I don't think that it will be an issue, but not all the dealers are quite that concerned about the customer so I would choose your dealer wisely if your having a transmission warranty issue.

Thanks,
I will address this concern with the sales/service department before i take delivery.They are a very good dealership to work with,the only thing is,they have never even seen a zf6 Duramax.

What is the status of the "new" flywheel? Will this be a direct replacement part for the dmf from gm or does it have to be installed in conjuction with the clutch/pp kit? 04 2500HD 4WD CC ZF6 LLY 29k mi, 3 flywheels

I'd recomend going with a complete setup.I'm sure Wade will give you an educated answer but if you are going to run a big programmer or box I'd sure get a complete setup.

What is the status of the "new" flywheel? Will this be a direct replacement part for the dmf from gm or does it have to be installed in conjuction with the clutch/pp kit? 04 2500HD 4WD CC ZF6 LLY 29k mi, 3 flywheels

This is a complete replacement kit for the factory flywheel and you will have to run a South Bend Clutch on the double disk flywheel.

However Peter at southbend is currently working on getting a Single Mass Flywheel designed and made for a single disk setup that may be able to utilize a stock pressure plate and disk. Peter is trying to make them as cost effective as possible while providing the greatest longevity possible. If you have any other questions feel free to ask, I'm always open ears!!

Cheers,
Wade

Heard anything on the dual disc clutches and flywheels for the 6.)l yet? I only get on here once every two weeks and it seems like the site never sends an e-mail when you reply LOL.

Heard anything on the dual disc clutches and flywheels for the 6.)l yet? I only get on here once every two weeks and it seems like the site never sends an e-mail when you reply LOL.

I'll get you an update sometime today or tomorrow.

Hope you guys all had a very merry Christmas!!!

Heard anything on the dual disc clutches and flywheels for the 6.)l yet? I only get on here once every two weeks and it seems like the site never sends an e-mail when you reply LOL.

Just to let you know that I tried to get ahold of Peter and he is off today but I'll make sure to get in touch with him tomorrow about the 6.0l ford clutches.

Also when I talked with Peter he said that we should be ready to ship the clutch kits no later then the end of next week as long as we don't run into any problems with the production.

It's starting to get exciting, I have many of you on my list and I think we are going to see some big numbers from the ZF6 guys this year!!!

If you have any questions let me know, you all know that I'm open ears.

Cheers,
Wade

Im sure its already been asked but are these kits suppose to take care of the hard peddle issue also, I want one but its still under warranty now so I hope ill get a new setup from gm, so just kinda for future refference.

Im sure its already been asked but are these kits suppose to take care of the hard peddle issue also, I want one but its still under warranty now so I hope ill get a new setup from gm, so just kinda for future refference.

Yes it will completely eliminate the hard petal issue's associated with the stock setup. Depending on how many ZF trucks your dealer has dealt with, you may be able to talk them into putting the aftermarket clutch in instead of the factory crap.

Would they pay for it? That might be askin to much though, Ill probably be lucky if I get a factory one hassle free.

Would they pay for it? That might be askin to much though, Ill probably be lucky if I get a factory one hassle free.

The way that I would would approch it is if the dealer was going to fix it under warranty then I would just ask them if they would put an aftermarket clutch in that you bring them. Most often times if they are going to replace the clutch anyway they won't charge you anymore labor to put an aftermarket setup in it.

Alrighty guys, I have 10 clutch kits on the way and will have them available for local pickup and installation within the next week. I can have them dropshipped or shipped faster if you need but keep in mind that shipping will cost more the faster you want it to your door.

All the test kits out there have worked perfectly and it looks like the ZF boys are going to be putting down some big numbers this year.

I have a kit comming for one of our members here that I will personally be installing within the next week, so we can have someone with some pretty serious power to put through it and give you all some feedback!!

Also One of our other Vendors here might be testing two of them on some serious pulling trucks so you can be confident that you'll have the absolute best!!!

And now that everything is out I'll be doing a full installation DVD that you can watch a full installation and what everything looks like when your doing it and what the fastest way to do it is. It will be completely detailed with a full tools list and any special tools that will make you life easier!!!

I'm excited that this saga is finally over and these clutches are finally shipping, so put your orders in now so I can insure that you get them right away, the need for these as well as the demand is huge so if you put your orders in now I can make sure I get them put in.

Cheers,
Wade

I assume these aren't for 6.0L's at all right?

However Peter at southbend is currently working on getting a Single Mass Flywheel designed and made for a single disk setup that may be able to utilize a stock pressure plate and disk.

I don't think you would want the stock disk in a street application. It will chatter like crazy because there is no damper on it. Might be okay for race/pulling applications, but who wants a stock pressure plate for that type of use? While we might save a few pennies, I think it's better just to buy the complete SBC package. Mike

I don't think you would want the stock disk in a street application. It will chatter like crazy because there is no damper on it. Might be okay for race/pulling applications, but who wants a stock pressure plate for that type of use? While we might save a few pennies, I think it's better just to buy the complete SBC package. Mike

I completely agree, but you will be eliminating a huge amount of the clutch failures just by going with a single mass flywheel, you would b suprised to find out just how strong the stock clutch is when put on top of the right flywheel. I have had tons of farmers ask me about just ordering a single mass flywheel when they are available regardless of the sound it produces they just want something reliable, I think Peter is doing this to give you an option, I'm sure you can put a sprung hub disk in it if you really wanted.

Hope this helps,
Wade