can this be real, GM building the camaro again?

If GM's honchos would get their collective heads out of their rectums, they might.

That concept is pretty cool. Follows the "retro" look of the Mustang.

I think that looks sick, the back end looks like a 68-69.

Nice, very nice. I know alot of people want to see, and they'd probably sell like hotcakes.

here is a nother one!

If they build one like that I will buy it just to have it. That looks cool... I knew they would bring it back, just hope it will look like that...

That is just slick! Looks like an updated 69! Wonder if they'll bring back the peekaboo headlights too.

Needs a 427 in it.

hope they don't try to make it front wheel drive. Otherwise, i may have to sell the chevelle and get one of these.

Here is more info and better pics....http://www.arkansascamaro.com/2007camaro.html

Needs a 427 in it.

GM can certainly do something about that.

A 3500lb 07 Camaro with a LS7 427ci 500HP engine backed with a T-56 and 3.73 live axle would certainly be a weapon to be feared. It could be done with off-the-shelf parts and still make EPA emissions. Biggest problem would be the $40-45k price tag.

That is a rendering done by a person named Kris Horton, it was done as a class project and has exploded. Insiders say that it is the closest thing yet to what GM has exactly under their wraps. The Camaro concept will debut at the NAIAS in Detroit in January and will come out (if the public likes the concept) it will go into production in mid to late 07 as an 08 model. It has been rumored that the 5th gen Camaro will be an evolution from the previous generations, but with heritage cues. I believe the Z28 will get the the 400 hp LS2 while the SS may get a detuned LS7. If you can go to the NAIAS, it may be worth your while.

GM can certainly do something about that.

A 3500lb 07 Camaro with a LS7 427ci 500HP engine backed with a T-56 and 3.73 live axle would certainly be a weapon to be feared. It could be done with off-the-shelf parts and still make EPA emissions. Biggest problem would be the $40-45k price tag.

Pat
If they build it people will buy it. The Duramax will be paid off in 1 year. I will then be able to tow a stock car that I cannot out run, maybe. ):h :cool:
mike

And the price will be competitive with the mustang, it needs to be...say a Z28 for 22-25000? I'm sure the SS will be slightly more than the Z28, but it needs to beat the GT500.

Pat
If they build it people will buy it. The Duramax will be paid off in 1 year. I will then be able to tow a stock car that I cannot out run, maybe. ):h :cool:
mike


Would they sell that car to a senior citizen??? ):h

i'd sell my mustang for that car with a ls7 427 in it. it would be worth it.

GM can certainly do something about that.

A 3500lb 07 Camaro with a LS7 427ci 500HP engine backed with a T-56 and 3.73 live axle would certainly be a weapon to be feared. It could be done with off-the-shelf parts and still make EPA emissions. Biggest problem would be the $40-45k price tag.

Amazing what you can do with off-the-shelf parts, eh? Bet the insurance industry would have something to say about it, which means the govt would say "nope". I smell retrofit kits in the future!

I'm with Reineke on the price. GM would price it to be competitive with the Mustang out of the box.

That is a rendering done by a person named Kris Horton, it was done as a class project and has exploded. Insiders say that it is the closest thing yet to what GM has exactly under their wraps. The Camaro concept will debut at the NAIAS in Detroit in January and will come out (if the public likes the concept) it will go into production in mid to late 07 as an 08 model. It has been rumored that the 5th gen Camaro will be an evolution from the previous generations, but with heritage cues. I believe the Z28 will get the the 400 hp LS2 while the SS may get a detuned LS7. If you can go to the NAIAS, it may be worth your while.

Bob Lutz should be calling that kid with a job offer. The designers he has now just aren't getting it done (except for the Solstice).

You guys have strange taste. I think both are ugly.

The new Mustang is perfect... first class job.

GM is really having a tough go of it with styling. I like the Equinox and the new Pontiac Solstice styling. The GTO is decent looking just a little conservative. Still like it though.

These two Camaros whatever they are are ugly. Just my opinion.

but it needs to beat the GT500.

We all know what the General is capable of. :ro)
I would love to see the Camaro come back. Oh well until then I will have to be happy beating up Rustangs with my lil ol Dmax. :boxing: :nutkick:

heres a neat article i found, dangit, i might have to buy me another car. Dmax will be paid off next year tho. http://www.popularhotrodding.com/features/0312PHR_Fifth_Reloaded/

You guys have strange taste. I think both are ugly.

The new Mustang is perfect... first class job.

GM is really having a tough go of it with styling. I like the Equinox and the new Pontiac Solstice styling. The GTO is decent looking just a little conservative. Still like it though.

These two Camaros whatever they are are ugly. Just my opinion.

This statement comes from a guy that bought a Dodge, put Hummer wheels on it and thinks the GTO looks good. :eek: :funnypost ):h
Hoot, we like what we like. Can't help it.

You guys have strange taste. I think both are ugly.

The new Mustang is perfect... first class job.

GM is really having a tough go of it with styling. I like the Equinox and the new Pontiac Solstice styling. The GTO is decent looking just a little conservative. Still like it though.

These two Camaros whatever they are are ugly. Just my opinion.


They called the 4th gen F-Body ugly. It dominated the dragstrip, roadrace, and AutoX courses when they were out.

Mustangs?



Didn't.

This statement comes from a guy that bought a Dodge, put Hummer wheels on it and thinks the GTO looks good. :eek: :funnypost ):h
Hoot, we like what we like. Can't help it.


GTO ain't bad. Sat in one of the first ones at Eric Merchant's former place of employment. Back then they only had single exhaust :badidea:

Saw one yesterday in red... pretty sweet... but like I said, conservative.

I think... and so does just about everybody I run into, thinks the H2's look awesome on my truck.

I think... and so does just about everybody I run into, thinks the H2's look awesome on my truck.

As do I. I wish I could find a way to put the 5 spoke Dodge wheels on my Duramax. I think they really look good. Go figure.):h
mike

why are they "taken off" h2s ?-:t spend some cash and get somethin nice, the hummer owners are. wouldn't put used shoes on my kid..........:ro)

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locknload is new.....doesnt realize its the least expensive way to put 35's on your truck....


Hoot, there must've been more to it than just a tree falling on your GMC to make you so anti-GM now.

That is NICE! Here's what they should do. Not try to make it a technological marvel with electronic everything and a power nad scratcher. Make it a true pony car, dammit! Put all the resources into power and handling and leave all that extra crap off. The US car market needs a performance car that younger people can afford. The only reason Camaros ever sold was that kids could afford them. They didn't cost as much as Cadillacs back then. I'd say a base model needs to start under $20k and they'll sell. Otherwise the ricers will continue to gain ground.

That is NICE! Here's what they should do. Not try to make it a technological marvel with electronic everything and a power nad scratcher. Make it a true pony car, dammit! Put all the resources into power and handling and leave all that extra crap off. The US car market needs a performance car that younger people can afford. The only reason Camaros ever sold was that kids could afford them. They didn't cost as much as Cadillacs back then. I'd say a base model needs to start under $20k and they'll sell. Otherwise the ricers will continue to gain ground.
Unfortunate but true, we need something to keep the ricers off the road. And they should at least make an option that is affordable, not just one for the guy who wants to be young again:lol: .

here is a nother one!
Oh man... I miss my red '69.
Lookin' at that orange one, I'm giggling like a little girl :D

locknload is new.....doesnt realize its the least expensive way to put 35's on your truck....


Hoot, there must've been more to it than just a tree falling on your GMC to make you so anti-GM now.

Some of you guys read me wrong.

Not happy with much of the latest GM styling does not make me anti-GM. I see ugly, I'm not afraid to express my opinion. I try to balance it out by stating some of the things I like about GM too. There are a lot of things I don't like about Dodge. Ford I pretty much don't even address anymore. They have some good looking stuff but to me I just don't get a warm fuzzy feeling about Ford products.

Heck we just bought a brand new GM product.... Buick Rainier. Wife absolutely loves it.

I like the GM HD's. I don't like certain things about them but that goes with my truck too. As Mackin just spewed out in the other topic.. when there is something wrong or something I don't like, I'm not afraid someone might "hear" me. I say it. No secrets here.


locknload,

Take-offs mean brand new, unused taken off at the dealership. The wheels are cheap, look great, easy to maintain (no chrome or polished aluminum to worry about) and have the perfect offset/width for both the GM HD's and the Dodge SFA trucks.

That is NICE! Here's what they should do. Not try to make it a technological marvel with electronic everything and a power nad scratcher. Make it a true pony car, dammit! Put all the resources into power and handling and leave all that extra crap off. The US car market needs a performance car that younger people can afford. The only reason Camaros ever sold was that kids could afford them. They didn't cost as much as Cadillacs back then. I'd say a base model needs to start under $20k and they'll sell. Otherwise the ricers will continue to gain ground.

3 years ago, you COULD buy a Camaro under 20k. And you could get the Z-28 manual trans car for $23k MSRP. This was a 27mpg, 300rwhp, SLEV emissions, Aluminum V8, T-56 6-sp, 162mph car. It was one of the all-time bargains in the performance world.

Nobody wanted them.

Then again, the LS1 Camaro/Firebird was arguably GM's best kept secret. They were the most powerful regular production Camaros ever built. They would stomp a 396 BBC Camaro of yesteryear at the strip, in a corner, and on the Autobahn. Oddly, GM never did advertise them as what they were. They badged them at 305-345HP, yet they made about 50HP more than the brochure. The LS1 engine that powered them was developed for the Corvette, and was virtually identical (same output), but marketing reasons caused them to be derated on the spec sheet.

If indeed GM rereleases the Camaro I hope:

Scott Settlemire runs the program - He is the reason the LS1 Camaro was born, and was the power behind making it an animal.

Stick with the live axle, but beef it some.

Offer a "Stripper" car option.

But most of all... DON'T HIDE IT!! The imports brag about their 250HP engines (which is a VERY optimist rating) every 30min on the TV. Let the public know that the premier 60's musclecar is back, better than ever.

(Yes, I know some people don't think the Camaro was a musclecar, but I disagree)

I saw a stripper model down here in Dallas that had the MSRP at $18000. It has no options but what came with the Z28. First one I ever saw with crank windows. It was an 02 in pewter. My 00 Z28 has every option on it except the 6 disc and rear end upgrade, so I was stuck with 2.73:1 and I paid $22000 otd. It is indeed one of the best bangs for the buck out there. It was advertised with 305 hp at the flywheel and put that down on the dyno with a flowmaster and K&N with air lid. Amazing vehicles, but can be a bear to get in and out of. I'm looking forward to the 5th gen, will make my LS1 look silly!

It needs to get rid of the PIMP my Ride wheels and put on a nice set of Centerline Draglites. no power windows, power steering, a/c, and other crap that it expensive and heavy. Make it a real pony car.

I liked those rims!..guess its just me?

as a long time mustang owner and racer, my buddies are all into camaro's. 2 96 lt1's a 96 lt1 SS, and now my other friend just picked up a 2001 ls1 SS. I must say that while i like the appeal of the new 05 mustang 300 hp, isn't **** for a muscle car. the camaros of the past would kill any mustang on the street in factory trim in straight line, cornering, and handling. i'm not a big fan of modular motors and the waste of time ford spent on the design of the 3 valve when they should have just dropped the already designed 4 valve in it. i'm a pushrod fan. i hope gm would make this concept a reality and make the muscle car scene alive again. i think the design is neat, just my .02

It will all come down to the publics opinion when the concept is released in January! If you like it then, be sure to let the General know!

You guys have strange taste. I think both are ugly.

The new Mustang is perfect... first class job.

GM is really having a tough go of it with styling. I like the Equinox and the new Pontiac Solstice styling. The GTO is decent looking just a little conservative. Still like it though.

These two Camaros whatever they are are ugly. Just my opinion.

Seen the new DODGE CHARGER.............-:t -:t -:t

I think Dodge needs a little design help in all the cars they make.........seen that new Durango........:rolleyes: .........
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Seen the new DODGE CHARGER.............-:t -:t -:t

I think Dodge needs a little design help in all the cars they make.........seen that new Durango........:rolleyes: .........
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The Charger is ok. Family car but sporty.

Durango looks really strange. Looks like a big freaky bug.

Chrysler over the years have put out some really ugly off the wall designs I agree.

I like the new Chevy HHR retro van. Much nicer than the PT Cruiser.

It will all come down to the publics opinion when the concept is released in January! If you like it then, be sure to let the General know!

Everybody loved the Chevy SSR Retro pickup... so much that GM built it.

Now no one is buying it.

That thing is bad A$$, probabaly too good to true.

I do like this one

http://www.arkansascamaro.com/2007nextgencamaro.sized.jpg

Here is more info and better pics....http://www.arkansascamaro.com/2007camaro.html

I like the 4th one down on that page, the orangish-reddish one. I'd buy that puppy. That would make a fun ride to work!! Especially since I'm running a '98 Century now. :eek: -:t Pretty good mileage tho.

Have a good one!!

Like great ball player's numbers (Football & Baseball), they should retire a good thing. Car makers should only resurrect an old name when they make a car worthy to assume it's predecessors name. Monte Carlo, Impala, Malibu & Nova, names of by-gone (real) muscle cars, should have never been asigned to "front wheel drive" vehicles.

The "new" GTO comes close, performance wise, to filling the shoes of it's legendary name, but will never, IMO be the same. There's nothing to compare the feeling you get tromping down on the throttle of a large displacement motor, feeling the torque plant you in the seat. Sure, the new GTO can light them up on demand, but the small displacement motor is very "torque lacking" (I guess kids today with their weedwacker motors think the new GTO is a torque monster compared to what they are used to driving). Call me "old school" all you want... I think GM is just trying to relive it's glory days (or drive that memory to sell new cars).

Everybody loved the Chevy SSR Retro pickup... so much that GM built it.

Now no one is buying it.

Yeah,
Underpowered without an manual transmission option for the first year, then you have it over priced from the factory and the wonderful dealer mark up. It is an excellent car, but no one wants to pay a premium price for an unpracticle car (or truck). If that thing was priced right, they would be flying off the lot because the interest is there. This is something that GM is finally understanding. Take the Solstice for example. And the moron dealers are still going to place a mark up on the car. A company should be focused on selling a product with a manageable profit margin, not seeing how bad the dealers can screw the consumer. Anyway, I'll put a lid back on the can of worms... The 05 is a better idea of what it needed to be in 04 with the LS2 and the 6 speed manual transmission.

Like great ball player's numbers (Football & Baseball), they should retire a good thing. Car makers should only resurrect an old name when they make a car worthy to assume it's predecessors name. Monte Carlo, Impala, Malibu & Nova, names of by-gone (real) muscle cars, should have never been asigned to "front wheel drive" vehicles.

The "new" GTO comes close, performance wise, to filling the shoes of it's legendary name, but will never, IMO be the same. There's nothing to compare the feeling you get tromping down on the throttle of a large displacement motor, feeling the torque plant you in the seat. Sure, the new GTO can light them up on demand, but the small displacement motor is very "torque lacking" (I guess kids today with their weedwacker motors think the new GTO is a torque monster compared to what they are used to driving). Call me "old school" all you want... I think GM is just trying to relive it's glory days (or drive that memory to sell new cars).


The new GTO comes close??? Stock for stock it will rape a 60's GTO in a drag race, and it wouldn't even be called racing if corners, mileage, top speed, or comfort come into play. Lacking torque?? This is a common misconception. You take an LS1 or LS2 powered GTO, and in 6th gear at 800rpm, you can nail it, and it will accelerate cleanly all the way to redline. You'd pretty much stall the motor with an old carburated goat. CHUG CHUG CHUG!

If 400ftlb of true SAE torque (not inflated 60's numbers) is not enough, then how much do you think it should have?

Everybody loved the Chevy SSR Retro pickup... so much that GM built it.

Now no one is buying it.
At $20k cheaper, the HHR seems to be doing well. I've already seen four on the freeways around Upland and Ontario.

ssr's are prevalent around here too!

The SSR could have been a great niche truck to fill the void for a sportstruck that GM is lacking. But with no serious effort at weight reduction, and low output drivetrains, they missed the mark. It really needed a supercharged 6.0 to make it.

the msrp was too high also!jmo-

Like great ball player's numbers (Football & Baseball), they should retire a good thing. Car makers should only resurrect an old name when they make a car worthy to assume it's predecessors name. Monte Carlo, Impala, Malibu & Nova, names of by-gone (real) muscle cars, should have never been asigned to "front wheel drive" vehicles.

The "new" GTO comes close, performance wise, to filling the shoes of it's legendary name, but will never, IMO be the same. There's nothing to compare the feeling you get tromping down on the throttle of a large displacement motor, feeling the torque plant you in the seat. Sure, the new GTO can light them up on demand, but the small displacement motor is very "torque lacking" (I guess kids today with their weedwacker motors think the new GTO is a torque monster compared to what they are used to driving). Call me "old school" all you want... I think GM is just trying to relive it's glory days (or drive that memory to sell new cars).who ever called those cars real muscle cars? :lol: impala, monte carlo and malibu?:eek: :lol: ............all were family sedans..........camaros,vettes,z28s:ro) :ro) light and fast:exactly:

Impalas back in the 60's WERE muscle cars...and sweet looking to boot! They turned into family cruisers in the 70's. It was very sad.

Monte's were in fact Luxury Chevelles with longer noses! Granted, the body lines were different, but almost every mechanical part on a Monte was the same as the Chevelle! They were too darn heavy to be taken seriously, unless teh smart man bought the LS6 motor in one.... I know a man with an original condition 22000 mile LS6-3 speed (YES a STICK!) car that I just slobber over.

The Malibu was just a diferent set of trim found on a Chevelle. Sort of like the "Holiday" option package on an Olds way back when. You could still get the same perf options though.

Both the Monte was only offered as a 2 door coupe (and very fun to drive! I owned a black '72!) and IIRC the Malibu was only a 2 door car, even though you could get a 4 door Chevelle.

Hey,

Well one thing is for sure, I wish GM would build some of them they way they do downunder. ( AUS & NZ. ) I was down in NZ back in April 02, and had the pleasure of seeing a Holden Monaro . Man, what a sweet ride!! The dealer would not let me test drive one, but oh well It was sweet. And as far as I still know, The NA GTO is Holden built.

http://www.holden.com.au/www-holden/ (http://www.holden.com.au/www-holden/)

Take care,

Will

granted most of those cars were sooo heavy, only earned their rep once there was an awesome engine stuffed in ,usually some big block.......ls7 made them come alive .....but them that statement could be true with alot of cars..........all brands..... chargers were the same ,slugs until a big block.....

Monte's were in fact Luxury Chevelles with longer noses! Granted, the body lines were different, but almost every mechanical part on a Monte was the same as the Chevelle!
Ditto the 1st-gen F-body and the Nova. From the firewall back, there was a LOT of common sheetmetal. The entire dash metal brace was identical... the '69 Camaro dash plastics were completely interchangeable with the Nova... same for the door panels and rear seat armrests.

Impala was a family car. Most sold as a four door sedans. Many of the so called muscle cars of the sixties were two door family sedans with cute paint schemes and a big honkin motor. The Impalas had the worst front ends in car history. Ball joint and tierod eaters.

Some muscle cars were designed to be sports cars like the Camaro, Firebird, Mustang, Barracuda and such.

None of them were anything like todays cars. Most of them could only go fast in a straight line. Even the Chevelle was a family sedan. I wrecked a few of those cars because I couldn't drive and the cars couldn't handle my lack of ability ):h

One of the first cars I owned that actually handled good was a 1979 Mustang Cobra. First new gen Mustang.

anybody have any new news on the new Camaro?

It'll debut at the NAIAS in January. Doubt we'll see a leak with pictures on this one, but the Tahoe/Escalade/Z06 got leaked, so keep your hopes up.