I live in CA. where there is little or no lubricity in the fuel and was wondering if anyone has used "Marvel Mystery Oil" as a regular additive? I have used it in the past in gas engines and read that it is also good for diesel's on the label.


I also was wondering if it could damage the catalytic converter or anything else, although just being a lubricant I dought that it could damage anything.


The local walmart sells it for about $10.00 for approx. 1 Gal. and it calls for 4 oz. per 10 Gal. fuel. pretty cheap!


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I wouldn't use it in our trucks.


Does your walmart also sell Rotella DFA? Some do. The one near me does not. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif This is good stuff in terms of adding lubricity.


It also disperses small amounts of water (at a molecular level) and sheds large amounts of water (demulsifies, which GM says is okay to use). Maybe you can make both religious camps happy (the church of emulsification versus the church of latter day demulsifiers)...


jeffEdited by: dmax lover

Thanks Jeff, I do remember seeing the DFA at Walmart.


I also sent an email to Marvel to see what they have to say about mixing their product with diesel fuel, on catalytic equiped vehicles.


Chris

That fuel system is more then 6 thousand dollars.
Just dump in any old whatever, see what happens.

Marvel is a lot like ATF. I have used it in gassers. It cleans and lubes. I also took a Chevy 327 that had been sitting for 9 years and used Marvel to bring it back to life. Charged battery. Removed valve covers. coated all valve train componets with Marvel. Reinstalled valve covers. Removed spark plugs. Pumped clyiders with 4 or 5 good shots of Marvel from oil can. Installed new plugs. Drained old fuel. Put in new fuel. Let set over night. Fired right up next day. Its a mystery. I think Marvel is a little to corrosive and contains to much grit for our high pressure system. IMHO.

What is the interval that you need to use these additives at? And of topic, what does IMHO mean?

In my humble opinion you should use fuel additive every tank. If it is a good additive it can be trusted in every tank year around. Fuel injector cleaner is something you only would want to use every 20k or so. Unless you have symptoms. Edited by: Bronco

I live in CA. where there is little or no lubricity in the fuel and was wondering if anyone has used "Marvel Mystery Oil" as a regular additive? I have used it in the past in gas engines and read that it is also good for diesel's on the label.


I also was wondering if it could damage the catalytic converter or anything else, although just being a lubricant I dought that it could damage anything.


The local walmart sells it for about $10.00 for approx. 1 Gal. and it calls for 4 oz. per 10 Gal. fuel. pretty cheap!


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http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif Its funny you brought up the subject about Marvel Mystery Oil, because I was talking to a guy thats going to do my Permitec spray in bed liner, and we were talking about his Power Stroke and the subject turned to injectors, he has the new 6.0 which has had its share of injector problems, and he told me and old timer recommended to him to put a 1/4 cup of MMO in every time he fuels up, and to also add it to the oil when he does oil changes, he said hes been doing it for over a year and a half and every things working good, I know when I drove over the road and our diesels started to get sluggish we would add 1qt of transmission fluid to each of our fuel tanks then drive down the road, about the first couple of miles the black soot would roll out of the stacks then it would clear up and run like a raped ape, the reason I mentioned about the tranny fluid is because the Marvel Mystery Oil sort of reminds me of it, not only in smell, but consistency, but what ever you do don't use tranny fluid in these Duramax engines because the out come may not be so good, and I think you got the rite idea by calling them to get there views. Edited by: keystonekid

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The regular use of a lubricity enhancing product designed for high pressure fuel systems is highly recommended.. Marvel Mystery oil has its applications but not in a state of the art fuel system such as ours.
Diesel fuel additives such as Primrose 405 and other high quality additives provide lubricity, detergency, cetane boost etc. and are extremely cost effective AND formulated for safe use in our systems.
George Morrison

Anybody use Redline Diesel Additive, I have heard they have a good reputation, plus I can get it off the shelf, which in my area, its hard to find any selection. I have been using it for about 5,000 miles, was concerned it contained alcohol, so I called them, they informed me it doesn't. Just curious if anybody else is using the stuff.

Redline makes excellent products, second to none. I should warn you though that Redline Diesel additives are of the emulcification type. Same as Primrose. This is a very contreversial issue as which I have no opinion on.

I spoke with Rich at Marvel today and he assured me that the use of their product would not cause any problems or void our warranty. He went on to say that it would replace the low lubricant in todays low sulfur diesel fuel and would help our engines.


He said they ran it in a Cummons diesel for 40,000 Mi. with no problems.


I guess the only way to find out is to try it.


Has anyone ever tried MMO in their Duramax yet?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

I do not like to run Marvel in any vehicle with a cat.

George-----I use Primrose 405 in every tank of diesel at the ratio of 1 oz. per 15 gals. of fuel. Is this enough 405 to provide maximum lube protection for the fuel system? I'll use more if needed. Cost, in this case isn't an issue. I've considered adding some Lucas upper cylinder lubricant and injector cleaner to the 405 "just to be sure" I'm giving the system all of the lube it needs. Please give me your thoughts on this.--------- Thanks--------Phil

dslbrnr has asked a question that I had planned to ask. I have used MMO for years as a lubricant in air powered tools. And in years past, I used it in gas engines to regain some of the lubricity lost when lead was removed from gasoline and the engine concerned was older and needed valve lubrication.


Presently I'm using Amsoil Diesel Fuel Modifier in my Dmax. Amsoil states it has no alcohol, and is neither an emulsifier nor a demulsifier. They state that it is for cleamer burning, cleaner injectors, and longer injector life. It has a slight oily feel on your fingers much like MMO, and I suspect it may add some lubricity.


I for one would like to hear something from George or someone of his knowledge and experience that is a little more specific as to the unsuitability of MMO as a fuel additive in a Dmax.


George, I know your position favoring Primrose, but there are those among us who would like to add to fuel lubricity, don't want an emulsifiying additive, and don't have a catalytic converter to be concerned about.


I for one can't imagine what could be unsuitable about MMO as a diesel fuel additive, but I am open to what is said specifically on this.

The one problem with Marvel Mystery oil is that, as the name implies, the formulation is a secret. We have no idea what the makeup of MMO is and I have no direct exprience to regarding real world usage of MMO in a modern high performance diesel engine.
So, unfortunately, I cannot comment on its use. I would not use it in my personal Duramax due to the above..
George Morrison

MMO is right up there with the KFC's secret recipe and MCD's secret sauce! LOL

The one problem with Marvel Mystery oil is that, as the name implies, the formulation is a secret. We have no idea what the makeup of MMO is and I have no direct exprience to regarding real world usage of MMO in a modern high performance diesel engine.
So, unfortunately, I cannot comment on its use. I would not use it in my personal Duramax due to the above..
George Morrison


Nothing is a secret. They have to publish an MSDS (materials safety data sheet) disclosing contents in case someone is poisoned by it, has it splash in their eyes, etc.


It's Naptha and Mineral Spiriits. No wonder it's a secret, you don't get much for your money...


I did a search on google "msds marvel mystery oil" and quickly found this...


http://images.shipstore.com/SS/Images/MAV/MAVMMOMSDS.pdf


jeff

Sorry but the MSDS is not complete. I have reviewe MSDS for MMO years ago and, unfortunately, manufacturers are not required to put ALL of the igredients on the MSDS. (secret formulation, etc..)
There is more to MMO than is reflected on the MSDS. As is the case for STP oil treatment, Slick 50, etc. etc.. Very few MSDS really reveal *everything* in products except for major corporations and even then, something may be hidden under general categories..
i.e. in most all cases, one could not take an MSDS and make an end product.
George Morrison

Dmax lover-the information and thoughtful analysis that you bring to this forum are much appreciated. The Mystery Oil info above being just one small example. Keep it coming and thanks! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif The MSDS information is at least a start at understanding what is in it and how it might affect a diesel engine. It's great that there are folks on this forum who aren't afraid of looking for information from a lot of different sources. The forum gurus have a lot of knowledge and experience. Also, they are in the business. GM has a lot of knowledge and experience. Also, they are in the business. An independent agent with some technical savvy and an ability to dig up some pretty pertinent data with a thoughful approach is who I'm going to look to to help me sort out an otherwise confusing array of conflicting statements. Thanks for hangin' in. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gifEdited by: Kachina

I was just going to suggest MSDS as a way to get to the bottom of the real ingredients. George you always shoot holes in all of my theoryshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif. I visited Shell and they have a website dedicated specifiacally to MSDS. The ingredients for there DFA is almost mainly solvents. I understand how solvents clean but I do not understand how they lubricate? What are the best lubricants?? I really wish we could get to the bottom of this and come up with a great lubricant. There are so many people who want the product they are using to be the best. That then validates there position and justifys the coin they have been spending. I know for a FACT that most additives are either the same or snake oil. There are just not that many top notch lubricants available. There has to be some that are better than others. To confuse issues more, there are several people who frequent discussion boards just to sell and further the marketing of the product they manufacture or product they have on there shelves. You have no idea who is at the other end of the mouse. It could be a sales engineer who does not even own a diesel? I am not trying to insinuate anything other than lets be honest. If it turns out that there is one product that is far superior than the rest so be it. We can all go buy that one. They deserve our money. There is no point in throwing good money after bad money. I will even admit that I am seriously considering replacing my 50.00 dollar K&N with a foam style air filter. This website has taught me took really look at independent test results and temper that with common sense.( George do you have any test results other that your many years of personal experience? Can you tell us what ingredients are superior lubricants?) Go to smartsynthetics.com and read all of there information. I am not sugestng amsoil and never have or probally never will run any of there products however they have a lot of good info. in regards to oil lubricants and filtering at smartsynthetics. Lets all put our emotions to the side and do some real research. I would love to know that I am using a lubricant that will not hurt my injectors and keep my Dmax alive.Edited by: Bronco

Bronco,


Thanks for the info, Now I am Paranoid, I guess I need to read up on emulsification, Catalytic converters, and god knows what else.


So what is the recommened Fuel additive, or at least what are most people using on this forum. Sure liked I could go down the street for the Redline, but wouldn't want to screw things up. Yikeshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

The more I learn I think the emusification types are fine and maybe even good for your fuel tank. I would never use them in an underground fuel tank or any other tank with built in settling. The only problem is that GM mandates the de-emulsifying type.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

I have been struggling with the lubricity issue as well - a few days ago I went hunting through the msds sheets for stanadyne lubricity formula, stanadyne performance formula and Rotella DFA looking for clues (sounds like we think alike).


I am looking for measurable results with one of the tests that have been proposed for lubricity. Stanadyne shows a test on their website that fuel treated with their performance formula will pass SAE test J2265.


I looked on the FPPF and primrose websites - FPPF states that they pass a BOCLE (sp?) test - but doesn't state which one (I think there are several) and I don't know if passing this test is sufficient. I didn't see any reference to passing lubricity tests in any of primrose's data sheets.


If you go to the shell rotella site's forum - you will see that some newer powerstroke, cummins, and VW TDI owners have the same concerns and questions... Techexpert (shell engineer) responded but couldn't give out specific numbers due to shell policies - but does state that fuel treated by Rotella DFA will pass tests set forth by CARB...


TechExpert Wrote :


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First (I know you have not asked for specific test results), it is Shell's policy to not share product performance test results in the public domain. This is a good policy, because unless the test protocol and reproducibility are understood, results may be misinterpreted and hence misused.

Complying with that policy, I would like to interpret our test results against the regulatory proposals being developed for diesel fuel lubricity by the California Air Resources Board. This will permit avoiding reporting numbers, and yet bench mark the numbers for ROTELLA DFA against a developing regulatory standard. It is important to note that this is a developing standard, and not a final, adopted standard.

CARB is considering a two tier concept, with the scuffing load rig test used to "protect existing equipment" by setting a 3100 gram minimum load for diesel fuel. For the fuels used in our ROTELLA DFA program, untreated fuels failed that limit (scuffing occurred at a lesser load), and all treated fuels passed the limit (load greater than 3100 grams was needed for scuffing to occur).

For "low emissions high pressure fuel injection systems technology" (2005/2006 timeframe), CARB is considering a 460 micron wear scar limit in the high frequency reciprocating rig. Untreated fuels in our program all failed that limit (larger wear scar), and all treated fuels passed the limit (smaller wear scar). In most cases, scar diameter was reduced by nearly half with treated fuel.




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That is some good info. It really upsets me that shell additive ( and many others) contains heavy aromatics and that is exactly what is removed from fuel. Why dont they just leave it in there and charge me once.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif. Okay, I am better now!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif Back to research.Edited by: Bronco

Sorry but the MSDS is not complete. I have reviewe MSDS for MMO years ago and, unfortunately, manufacturers are not required to put ALL of the igredients on the MSDS. (secret formulation, etc..)
There is more to MMO than is reflected on the MSDS. As is the case for STP oil treatment, Slick 50, etc. etc.. Very few MSDS really reveal *everything* in products except for major corporations and even then, something may be hidden under general categories..
i.e. in most all cases, one could not take an MSDS and make an end product.
George Morrison


From the OSHA website - here are the federal requirements for what must be listed in the MSDS...


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If the hazardous (http://www.ilpi.com/msds/ref/hazardous.html) chemical (http://www.ilpi.com/msds/ref/chemical.html) is a mixture (http://www.ilpi.com/msds/ref/mixture.html) which has not been tested as a whole:
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The chemical and common name(s) of all ingredients which have been determined to be health hazards, and which comprise 1% or greater of the composition, except that chemicals identified as carcinogens (http://www.ilpi.com/msds/ref/carcinogen.html) under paragraph (d) of this section (http://www.ilpi.com/msds/osha/1910_1200.html#1910.1200(d)) shall be listed if the concentrations (http://www.ilpi.com/msds/ref/concentration.html) are 0.1% or greater; and, <A name=1910.1200(g)(2)(i)(C)(2)></A>


(g)(2)(i)(C)(2)


The chemical and common name(s) of all ingredients which have been determined to be health hazards, and which comprise less than 1% (0.1% for carcinogens (http://www.ilpi.com/msds/ref/carcinogen.html)) of the mixture, if there is evidence that the ingredient(s) could be released from the mixture in concentrations (http://www.ilpi.com/msds/ref/concentration.html) which would exceed an established OSHA (http://www.ilpi.com/msds/ref/osha.html) permissible exposure limit (http://www.ilpi.com/msds/ref/pel.html) or ACGIH (http://www.ilpi.com/msds/ref/acgih.html) Threshold Limit Value (http://www.ilpi.com/msds/ref/tlv.html), or could present a health risk to employees; and, <A name=1910.1200(g)(2)(i)(C)(3)></A>


(g)(2)(i)(C)(3)


The chemical (http://www.ilpi.com/msds/ref/chemical.html) and common name(s) of all ingredients which have been determined to present a physical hazard (http://www.ilpi.com/msds/ref/hazardous.html#physical) when present in the mixture;


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"For "low emissions high pressure fuel injection systems technology" (2005/2006 timeframe), "


Aren't we already there?? We have low emission high pressure fuel injection systems in the mighty d. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif
Good thread though, again lots of good info!! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

The magic words from the OSHA handbook "if the hazardous chemical is a mixture which has not been tested as a whole."
You will note that we are not talking about 'hazardous materials' 99% of the additives used in making fuel and engine oil additives are not hazardous, thus, the MSDS entries get pretty loose..
I live with this problem every day; frankly there is very little meaningful information that can be gleaned from an MSDS sheet.
George Morrison

Whats up with soy bean oil? I know seed oil is slippery, but it seems like it would cook pretty easy? SOYGOLD DFA.

The magic words from the OSHA handbook "if the hazardous chemical is a mixture which has not been tested as a whole."
You will note that we are not talking about 'hazardous materials' 99% of the additives used in making fuel and engine oil additives are not hazardous, thus, the MSDS entries get pretty loose..
I live with this problem every day; frankly there is very little meaningful information that can be gleaned from an MSDS sheet.
George Morrison



The particular MSDS for marvel mystery oil lists two components - therefore it has not been "tested as a whole". The remaining requirements for listing contents of it do apply.


OSHA defines hazardous chemicals more broadly than you are thinking. I believe you are only considering physically hazardous materials. There are health hazards and physical hazards - OSHA includes both in their definition; Since I am very sure I would not let my daughter drink anything that is an additive in either motor oil or diesel fuel - I am pretty sure it's all hazardous in OSHAs eyes..


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<A name=health>Health Hazard</A>
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Appendix A (http://www.ilpi.com/msds/osha/1910_1200_APP_A.html) provides further definitions and explanations of the scope of health hazards covered by this section, and Appendix B (http://www.ilpi.com/msds/osha/1910_1200_APP_B.html) describes the criteria to be used to determine whether or not a chemical is to be considered hazardous for purposes of this standard.


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Bronco's comment about soybean oil brings to mind a long ago article in Hot Rod Magazine, back in the 50's or 60's, I believe. I have no idea now what the article was about, but lubrication was involved, and lots of lubricants were discussed. This was before any common use of synthetic automotive lubricants.


The lubricant in question was an oil extracted from the bean {seed} of a plant native to the Southwestern US Desert. IIRC, it was termed as "Rapeseed Oil" {spelling?}. Some of yall out that way may know something about such a plant.


Hot Rod stated that the oil was so tenacious, adherent, and penetrating that the only way to remove it from a metal surface was to physically grind away the affected metal.


They said the end product was used in a common additive of the day, sold by many oil companies with their own brand name on the can. It was sold as "upper cylinder lubricant"


George, do you know anything about this? Anybody else?

I don't think rape seed is grown much in the US, but in the UK, fields of it stretch to the horizon. The flower is yellow in color, like mustard. I think I have seen it in CA. I don't know what it is used for - maybe as a cooking oil.


There is/was a Castor bean oil made for racing. I remember it from the 60's. Had no detergent qualities, burned with a uniqie smell, and took an act of God to get it off moving parts. I suspect that with the advances in oils in the interim, it is no longer around.

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif Rapeseed oil is sold in humongous quanties in virtually every supermarket in the US of A. It's called canola oil and is very low in saturated and polyunsaturated fats, which probably makes it good for your heart, but I wouldn't run it in my D-max unless said engine had a cholesterol or triglyceride problem. Edited by: jbh2000

Thanks jbh - canola - I'll bet they do grow a bunch after all.


I don't suppose that you are the Jim Hall of the Chapparal race cars?

No, Horse Trader, just a retired Navy man, and soon to be retired school teacher, trying to make this truck last a LONG time.

Regarding rapeseed/mustard seed oil. Yes, I am *very* familiar with each in that I manufacture a metal working coolant that uses rapeseed oil as its base. (thus, again, my intimate familarity with MSDS requirements: being a manufacturer of a commercial product gets one most expert in these areas).
I also manufacture an incredible tapping oil made from mustard seed oil; incredible in that the oil which has an MSDS which reads 0 0 0 0 yet outperforms the worst poisonous tapping oil made. (I do not want this to sound like an advertisement but I wanted to ensure credability of my statements as being truly qualified as an expert).
Either oil form the basis for the perfect bio fuel.. Good lubricity, clean burn, etc. Except for one problem. Both have a high propensity for water. They are very hygroscopic..
I have tested some bio fuels which literally blew the test setups apart as the water levels were through the roof..
Bottom line; I would not use either rapeseed or mustard seed oil as a diesel fuel additive. There are much better commercial additives in the marketplace...
George Morrison

Okay so lets get back to synthetics and petro based additives. George save us all some time and tell us why Primrose 405 is absolutely the best lube for our beloved Dmax's.

Horse Trainer:


Castor is still around. Its used a lot in go-kart racing. It is very sticky!


<A name=2Castor>http://www.alpha-sports.com/Blendzall/2Cycle2.jpg</A>

Here is the phone number to Marvel, it is a the same company as Turtle wax (914) 937-4000. Maybe someone could call and talk with somebody in research and development and find out exactly what is in their product and why it can benefit our injector system.


Maybe we can get to the bottom of this discussion and get some help for our poor dry lubeless injector system!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif

OK, I was wrong about rapeseed oil, that ain't the oil I was thinking of after all.


The oil I am thinking of, as I said before comes from a plant that grows wild in the desert. I've seen it in AZ, near PHX, and I'm sort of thinking it may be something like the Jojobe plant, and I am unsure of that spelling.


The more I think about it, the more I believe that may be the name I'm looking for. Going to go off forum, go to Google, and research. But' I have this topic flagged and I'll get a notice if anyone posts, so if you know anything about a plnt called something like Jojobe, please post!!!!!!!


Edit: been to google, spelling is jojoba, it does grow wild in the desert, and it is used in lubricants, said to be superior to sperm whale oil in lubricity, highly heat resistant, and currently used as anadditive in some manufacturers motor oil.


What about it George, can you help us out here? Your knowledge and exoertise are valued and needed!Edited by: dirty old man

What happens if you put a little motor oil in your fuel?

Doesn't burn clean and leaves engine deposits?


Newer 2 stroke oils are fully synthetic and burn quite cleanly if they meet JASO-FC specifications. I have heard of guys dumping this in - but have no idea as to issues with it. I really like mobil-1 mx2t two stroke oil for my motorcycles (GasGas 300cc enduro and GasGas 280cc Trials Bike).


jeff


Edited by: dmax lover

Newer 2 stroke oils are fully synthetic and burn quite cleanly if they meet JASO-FC specifications. I have heard of guys dumping this in - but have no idea as to issues with it. I really like mobil-1 mx2t two stroke oil..


I have been wondering why you couldn't mix2-stroke oil with diesel fuel as a lubricant? Anyone know if you can? I've seached the web and can't seem to find anything on mixing it in diesel fuel.

FYI - I am adding stanadyne lubricity formula to my stanadyne performance formula to ensure that I meet the european specs for lubricity (that were in the CARB presentation that OC_DMAX gave me a pointer to) .


The stanadyne lubricity formula costs less than their performance formula - and it treats twice as much fuel per bottle. Stanadyne says you can blend any of their additives and double dose-ing doesn't hurt anything.


I bought a case of the lubricity "one-shot" bottles - it was pretty inexpensive - bottles treat 15 gallons and I fill tank when I hit 1/2 on guage. I am now re-using the bottles and blend my own - 6 ounces Performance formula and 2 ounces lubricity formula in the 8 ounce one-shot bottle per 15 gallons..


I am using stanadyne because of the GM bulletin stating "they are a good supplier" - but Rotella DFA has passed the euro spec (post from their forum from one of their engineers). The Rotella looks really good from a technical standpoint plus it disperses small amounts of water, so makes the emulsifiers happy, and demulsifies large amounts of water (to make GM happy)...


jeff





Edited by: dmax lover

Ditto,Roger,10-4. If your need of lubricity I'd use stanadyne lubricity formula, Then supplement with something else.

I am using the Stanadyne Performance formula.

Using a synthetic 2 stroke oil, that has a TCW3 or better
rating, in a 400 or 500 to 1 ratio should be no problem at
all and add more than enough additional lubricity.
Tom

Hey! Ratdoc, welcome to the "Place!" This is the first post of yours that I've seen (but there's three things that go when you get older - first one's memory and I can't recall the other two!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif)


Love the Avatar!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

If you look for a JASO-FC rating on the two stroke oil - it is a japanese spec that sets limits smoke output, lubrication and wear, and also buildup of carbon, etc. It is tighter than TCW3.

It will have to be a synthetic in order to meet this rating.

I have no idea if this is okay to run in our trucks...

jeffEdited by: dmax lover

Hey! Ratdoc, welcome to the "Place!" This is the first post of yours that I've seen (but there's three things that go when you get older - first one's memory and I can't recall the other two!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif)


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Hey Tom, how ya been???


I've been a member here since last September, but been too busy with work and home stuff to visit very often. Hope all's well with you and yours.............


Tom

I'll admit it, I mix a bit of Klotz 2 stroke oil, and MMO WITH my FPPF Total Power.





A little bit of lube is NOT a substitute foragood, full service additive.

Me too, I mix some synthetic 2 stroke oil with my total power and have had no problems so far, knock on wood.