i know you guys are tired of talking about fuel filters, but i'm new so help me out please. i have tried to get my stock filter off and just can't i mean, how tight are these damn things put on? any tips to make it easier? can i take the battery out or something... HELP!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif

oil filter wrench. I did my mine by hand but an oil filter wrench will work if your not strong enough. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif


You can also take the passenger side fender liner out and you will have lots of room. Or take the battery out.

hell, i tried the wrench and i just put a damn dimple in it and believe me i'm strong enough, i'll try to take the bat out and try a big strap wrench

Not to be a smarta$$ but you are turning it the right way, clockwise looking down at it.If you disconnect the wif wire you can slip the strap wrench on without taking out the battery.

LOL, I was just kidding about not being strong enough. Not trying to be an ass but are your turning it the right way? Sounds stupid I know but some people have a hard time with this since it is 'up side down'. Standing on the passenger side, you should be turning it towards the firewall or rear of the truck to loosen it.

Scary, we posted at the same time and almost word for word.

YEAH, THANKS GUYS I AM STANDING FACING THE ENGINE ON THE PASS SIDE AND AM TURNING IT TO THE LEFT(TOWARDS FIREWALL OR REAR) AND THE THING JUST WON'T MOVE MY WRENCH IS COCKED A LITTLE BIT, HENCE THE DIMPLE, I'LL TRY REMOVING THE BAT TO SEE IF I CAN GET THE HANDLE PERP TO THE FILTER. SORRY ABOUT THE CAPS, DAMN HOSPITAL CRAPPY KEYBORADS.


LATER,


MATT

Your right Great minds think alikehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifBut I was first lolhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


By the way still want them disc's Max only been 2 or 3 months nowhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Your right Great minds think alikehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifBut I was first lolhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


By the way still want them disc's Max only been 2 or 3 months nowhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif








disc's?

Righty Tighty Lefty Lucyhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif Try a big big pair of water pump pliers just to get it started. You can also try a small pair of vice grips on the bottom nut. Don't forget to unhook the wif sensor and catch the diese fuel with a ziplock. It will take the paint right off your frame.

try a filter wrench right at the base. I used this on a buddy's truck. just make sure everything is disconnected.


here is a link to the tool I used (similar anyway)


http://www.jackssmallengines.com/oil_wrench.cfm


marc

I know several people say you don't need to remove anything for a fuel filter change, but it's just so darn quick and easy to remove the battery. Then the job is incredibly easy, with plenty of room.

I got mine off with, what us here in Canada call, a boa constrictor wrench. It's a rubber strap that goes around the filter then fits back into the handle. It was a pain but I got it without the loss of too much knuckle blood. I have seen a oil filter wrench that fits a 3/8 drive socket wrench, that with a long extension and working from above, it should easily come off without killing the knuckles

i know u guys are gonna get a chuckel outta this. my oil filter on my f-250 for first oil change was like that and i could reach it with pleanty of elbow room, but it wont budge.only able to crush it . so i took a big screwdriver and a hammer and pounded the screwdriver through the filterhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wacko.gif giving me a nice fat piece of steel as a pry bar. i know it's insane on my boats water seperator i use a fat leather belt. Edited by: mako

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I think i'll get a hold of something like this for the next filter change
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Got one works great for oil and fuel you just need 6 inch extension.All my other broken ones went in the garbage when i got this.No more bloody knuckleshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif</LI></TD></TR></T></T></TABLE>

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I think i'll get a hold of something like this for the next filter change
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Got one works great for oil and fuel you just need 6 inch extension.All my other broken ones went in the garbage when i got this.No more bloody knuckleshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif</LI>


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Well that is the million dollar questionhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifI think it was at Canadian Tire but I'm not really sure.Should not be hard to find though UAP or one of those places I'm sure would have one.They are the answer though.Just make sure you get the right hand one not the lefthttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Check out this link.


http://dieselplace.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1579&amp;PN=1


The instructions were written by dmaxalliTech and are excellent. He is a great source of information and I am extremely grateful to have had this information the other night when I changed mine.


Get a big filter wrench like he has there in the first picture. It has a pivoting handle and can be adjusted easily to get around the battery without removing it. I got one just like it at NAPA. It's a KD-3527 and opens from 3 7/8 to 4 3/4 inches (or something like that). The stock filter is a little bigger than 4 inches. I'm no professional wrencher, and it took me about 25 minutes to do the job. I didn't have all the tools I needed in one place, plus took time to analize everything before actually diggin in.

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http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif thanks for the info guys, i appreciate it!

I got one like this at Sears for about $19. With the battery out, it worked great on that stubborn SOB.






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I`ve got a SNAPON nylon strap wrench I`ve used for over 30 yrs. and it still works great. It`s simular to the Matco. I paid $12.95 for it . They are a little more now.


Jomar

The SnapOn wrench works on 1"-6" diameter filters, has 3/8 and 1/2 inch square drive and is $41.00. Part No A91D.

JEZ go to Auto zone or your local parts store and get the $7.95 strap wrench. Nylon strap with 3/8' socket so you can use a long extension and a 3/8" rachet. Turn it until it gets tight then crank it until it breaks loose. Won't crush or dent the filter. Be sure and unplug the water sensor wire just in front of the filter along the engine block. It's a plug in, just unplug and you are free to take the filter out with the WIF installed. Once you get the strap on the filter place a ziplock bag or other plastic bag under and up on the filter from the bottom to catch any fuel that might leak out.


Second time you do this you will be a Pro!





Good Luck

WHEW! finally got it off, i got a plier style wrench from wal-mart like the one ski showed and it worked great i think GM put mine on with loctite or something cause it was still hard as hell to turn! thanks for the help.


matt

So funny!!! I cant tell you the words that came out of my mouth last night when trying to get my fuel filter off!!!!! I totally feel your pain. If i would have been near a comp I wanted to get on here and get some advice cause I know that GM used super glue to put mine on.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


I was at a profesional mechanics shop and he couldnt believe how hard it was to get off. He finally found is strap wrench and with some dificulty it finally worked. You know how much crap he gave me for owning a Chev..... Never heard the end from him.


He filled the filter with Tranny fluid and told me to try it. Says that it cleans the injectors... Anyone ever heard of that?


Mike

So funny!!! I cant tell you the words that came out of my mouth last night when trying to get my fuel filter off!!!!! I totally feel your pain. If i would have been near a comp I wanted to get on here and get some advice cause I know that GM used super glue to put mine on.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


I was at a profesional mechanics shop and he couldnt believe how hard it was to get off. He finally found is strap wrench and with some dificulty it finally worked. You know how much crap he gave me for owning a Chev..... Never heard the end from him.


He filled the filter with Tranny fluid and told me to try it. Says that it cleans the injectors... Anyone ever heard of that?


Mike





Tell the professional mechanic that if you have injector problems from him dumping tranny fluid in your fuel filter that you will be back for the repairs at his expense.You do not put tranny fluid in our fuel systems its for transmissions.I bet you he put the fluid in the filter through the already filtered side too so as to make sure it is not filtered before hitting the hp pump and injectorshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif I would make sure there is a lot of people around when you tell the smart ass."Never heard the end from him"It would be never heard the end from me how you stupid a$$ may have screwed up my truck.After reading your post again he might have done it to be a smart a$$.I would be dirty and go with any trained "professional" mechanic won't be so stupid as to dump a non approved product in your 40,000 dollar truck.Now if you were to have problems down the road was it the tranny fluid or not WHO KNOWS your problem though.GEEZ I better stop now.Maybe Eric can say how big of a problem it might or might not be down the road.Hopefully he says only small chance

He filled the filter with Tranny fluid and told me to try it. Says that it cleans the injectors... Anyone ever heard of that?


Mike








That might be okay for older style injectors, I don't know if I would want to try that for the high pressure injectors the Dmax uses. I use Stanadyne Performance in every 2nd or 3rd tank to clean the injectors, but then I'm certainly no expert.

Nobull,


Now you got me nervous!!!! Hopefully no harm was done this time but definately wont do it again. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gifAnyone else want to elaborate on the dangers of doing so!!!


Mike

Not to beat this horse to death but I wonder how good your filter is now that it has been filled up with tranny fluidhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif.I would myself for the price of a filter replace it, to be sure.Maybe ask in "ask the techs" and see if Dmaxallitech can give you a better answer.Sorry didn't mean to make you nervous but I think you should try and get one of the tech's opinion and then put it to rest.

Not to make things worse, but technically wouldn't some of the tranny fluid be returned to the fuel tank as well? Some of the experts may be able to address any issues with that. You may want to do a few sequential filter changes at closer intervals.

We just went over this in another thread:


http://dieselplace.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4326&amp;KW=ATF


In summary, the one dose of ATF is probably not going to really cause you any trouble and it has already been diluted by recirculating in all the other fuel in your tank and system. This guy is applying "old school" and potentially destructive practice and should be avoided in the future or at least closely observed.

We definately need to get Dmaxallitech's opinion on this one. This Mechanic is old school and has had and worked on Diesels his whole life. He wasnt being lazy but just doing what he thought was best. Im trying to defend him since he is such a nice old man! Doesnt fix my future problems but hopefully not to much damage was done!!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


Mike

Well. Um.. I have heard that it will work. I have seen pics on a GM forum ( cant remember where they are now) of what atf looks like in the intake and turbo inlet and why it wont start. I dont like the idea regardless of how good its seems. ATF isnt the cleanest thing known to man and it likely was dumped on the clean side of the filter... I think I would change it again and then just use the primer to fill it and dont try no fancy old school stuff, just to be safe. Dont make sense to add filters that will clean the clear off of glass only to polute it intentionallyhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif

Hopefully the DOT does not check you for off road fuel as the red die in the atf has probably colored your fuel and fuel filter red. I know it is a very unlikely thing to happen just one more thing to worry about.

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I think i'll get a hold of something like this for the next filter change
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Got one works great for oil and fuel you just need 6 inch extension.All my other broken ones went in the garbage when i got this.No more bloody knuckleshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


Hey Nobull, where did you find it???


I got one just like this the other day to change my fuel filter. When using the strap (for up to a 6" filter) on a 4" filter, there is quite a bit of strapping wrapped around the shaft. This makes one side of the strap come off the filter at a fairly sharp angle. As a result, when applying enough torque to remove the OEM, the filter gets dented in. Well, that's ok if it's being removed. I was able to reinstall the new filter without denting it by putting the strap all the way up near the threads and turning very slowly. I can see why the $32 Matco would be better as the piece that wraps the strap is smaller and the extra slack in the strap can be taken out of the loop.</LI></TD></TR></T></T></T></T></T></TABLE> Edited by: tundracamper

So, whats the general consences? Am I screwed and my injectors fried or did I get off lucky and consider this a learning lesson. Should I change my filter, will it make a diference? Thanks for all your input!!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif


Mike

IMHO change filter,cut it open to let us all see what it looks likehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif.Go on to next project put it down to part of the learning curve.Hopefully no harm done.Even if there was damage how you going to find out, your not.Unless you have a major problem you will never know.Go with cup half full not half empty.

IMHO there is no damage to worry about. While I wouldn't recommend ATF in a high pressure fuel system, I can assure you that this is done on a frequent basis by some drivers of class 8 diesels. I used this method myself with my old MECHANICAL 855 ci. 350 hp. Cummins as well as Macks and Detoits. I DO NOT do this with my N-14 Cummins or my Max. My contention is that one "treatment' of ATF will not destroy your injectors. However I wouldn't do this again. Simply use a high quality additive on a regular (every time you fuel up) basis and truck on! ---------GO have a beer or whatever and relax!!!! Your MAX will be fine!!!-----JMHO------------Phil

Thanks guys! I will relax now and never do it again!


Mike

Wow; this has been an interesting topic. I'm new to this site and got right into thr tranny fluid issue. The "old school" thing is someting we all need to consider. I have had many differnt diesels through the years and have run strange stuff through some of them, but they were primitive. I had a 600hp Lister in one fishing boat and we used to mix 50/50 diesel and filtered vegetable oil from a commercial cannery through it. the oil was used for frying and then filtered. they sold it to the fishermen for a few pennies per gal. These diesels could literally burn any kind of hydrocarbon. But that just aint so any more. Remember in the old days there were mechanics, now it takes technicians. My motto now is, If it's not top notch clean diesel, don't put it in there.

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I used a strap wrench today and the process couldn't have gone smoother ! The biggest problem was getting the WIF sensor line disconnected and unscrewing the WIF sensor from the old filter without stripping it, but once it was freed up the rest of the change was completed in a matter of minutes.</TD></TR></T></T></T></T></T></T></TABLE>