Was wondering what kinda HP# the PPE Hot and Hot Juice/*** put out? And what is the best way to run them together?
Thanks :ro)

Thats the stack i am running right now. I have had no problems so far with it. I have not dynoed or made any 1/4 passes with it but it sure feels real good. ppe hot edge 3. I tried a higher sitting on the edge she falls on her face. Out of fuel is what i am guessing.

buzz

do you have a second fuel pump on your truck

Was wondering what kinda HP# the PPE Hot and Hot Juice/*** put out? And what is the best way to run them together?
Thanks :ro)

you will be close to 500 RWHP.

Add Drugs or Twins and Expect 550 or better.

PS No lift pump on my truck yet.

Juice, I will pay you to come and get CLOSE to 500 RWHP out of that stack. This is on a load Mustang dyno!!!! You will be lucky to get to 470!! I have all the fuel and air goodies already. Maybe with drugs, but not without!!!

Juice, I will pay you to come and get CLOSE to 500 RWHP out of that stack. This is on a load Mustang dyno!!!! You will be lucky to get to 470!! I have all the fuel and air goodies already. Maybe with drugs, but not without!!!

I already made 550 out of that stack. On a Dynojet at Diesel Thunder (Making only 30 PSI of boost). If memory serves, Motovet and Los Lobos thought their numbers were low :D .

Would you like me to fax you the sheet?
Results are posted in the Diesel Thunder Thread.

Or PM Karl, or Darryl as they were both there:rolleyes: the numbers stand up quite well as do the track times.

Let me know what you are paying me to come down to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum... :lol:

(Either that or you might want to check your fuel and air goodies for proper operation)

Try a mild port job on your intake ports as well.... it might help a bit;)

Ok---OK!!!! I am not familiar with the dynojet but does it load the truck as much as the Mustang?? I have ATS 5 with Co-pilot,Big head,FASS, K&N, bypassed stock fuel filter, holding in excess of 24,000 actual and desired rail under 4th lockup load on the dyno!!!! Our boost may be low though. Have used a Fluke meter with a check valved sensor line to get boost reading and haven't seen the numbers as high as the numbers I see on my C2 Autometer gauge. What is the most accurate gauge to measure the boost???

The Dynojet does not load the Dmax enough to get the boost up. All of the single charger d-maxes had a hard time getting boost up on that dyno. That is where the twins really shine, IMO. I think it is Trippin's sig that says "Use a load cell or don't bother":exactly:

Maybe with a big single. I put down 490 ish on a dyno jet and feel it was pretty accurate. I dont think I was much over that.

I think hdmod was mistaking that you have twins. The added air should easily pump up your power....

Was wondering what kinda HP# the PPE Hot and Hot Juice/*** put out? And what is the best way to run them together?
Thanks :ro)

back to the topic:blahblah:


how should one run these two beasts together stacked??

stacked together
4" off road s.s. full exhaust
stock turbo
stock injectors
PPE STAGE 4 TRANNY UPGRADE
PPE HOT EXCELLERATOR W/ BOOST VALVE
PPE AIR INTAKE
EDGE JUICE W/ ATTITUDE MONITOR

what would be a good setup for this combo??

NO i do not have any lift pump on my truck. When I go to level 4 (125hp) I can feel the power let down. Runs better in level 2 or 3 with the ppe hot.

The best way to run them together is to stack em and see if the truck likes it and keep changing power levels to get the best ET at the track or on the street turn it up as high as it will go without it bursting on you or rent a dyno for some time. Most people wouldnt consider this stack as the highest HP thing availble. The TTS is considered by most to be the cream of the crop, there are some other single programs that are showing good results too. Stacking isnt a science, sometimes it works, every truck is different. By it and try it.

also put a lift pump on your truck, JMO.

If your curious about what a lift pump does or what one to go with or options available you can try to click HERE (http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/search.php) for all your questions about lift pumps answered

Ok---OK!!!! I am not familiar with the dynojet but does it load the truck as much as the Mustang?? I have ATS 5 with Co-pilot,Big head,FASS, K&N, bypassed stock fuel filter, holding in excess of 24,000 actual and desired rail under 4th lockup load on the dyno!!!! Our boost may be low though. Have used a Fluke meter with a check valved sensor line to get boost reading and haven't seen the numbers as high as the numbers I see on my C2 Autometer gauge. What is the most accurate gauge to measure the boost???

:o: Hmm, I could have worded that post a bit differently.

The dynojet unfortunately does not have the ability to provide a resistive load. It relies on Acceleration VS Time of a known mass (mass of the rollers)

It is difficult to make boost on the Djet for a Duramax as we tend to rev out very quickly.

But a dyno is useful for comparing truck to truck on that day.

I think the TTS Extreme would really benefit from more air, as with "Lesser" programming my numbers were stronger than the trucks using it in conjunction with water meth.

I also have some very mildly ported heads... not huge gains to be had there perhaps, but any airflow improvement has to help.

Still need to fix my rearend and add a lift pump though. Possibly I will look at a TTS Extreme and see what kind of numbers we can crank that program up to with the Twins!:ro) Maybe next year.

The Xtreme really benifits from N2O;)

I agree with N. S. Moto.

why is it that everyone pushes the tts when they are only claiming a 200 h.p. gain???

PPE is claiming 330+ h.p.


Is it that the PPE and edge dont play good togehter or is it that the TTS plays better with the edge.

Or would one be better to run with the new bully dog with the monitor they are claiming 200 on there chip....

ALso i read all that tech stuff on the lift pumps just what exactly do they help with more fuel or better fuel eficency??
would it be a good idea with my earlier post of goodies to add a lift pump?? (1 or 2)pumps

NO i do not have any lift pump on my truck. When I go to level 4 (125hp) I can feel the power let down. Runs better in level 2 or 3 with the ppe hot.

do you have the PPE on the highest setting and the edge on 2 or 3

also what kinda tranny setup you running??

why is it that everyone pushes the tts when they are only claiming a 200 h.p. gain???

PPE is claiming 330+ h.p.


Is it that the PPE and edge dont play good togehter or is it that the TTS plays better with the edge.

Or would one be better to run with the new bully dog with the monitor they are claiming 200 on there chip....

ALso i read all that tech stuff on the lift pumps just what exactly do they help with more fuel or better fuel eficency??
would it be a good idea with my earlier post of goodies to add a lift pump?? (1 or 2)pumps

The TTS EXTREME is rated at a *Conservative* 245RWHP gain without injects,or aftermarket turbos etc.

The PPE Extreme is rated at 330 flywheel HP. There is an observed 19.04% difference on a DMX from flywheel to Rearwheel HP based on stock HP levels (300flywheel).

Therefore the 330 fly HP PPE should work out to 250 RWHP accounting for driveline losses and % loss per 300 HPflywheel.

Who's is best?????
Without an A/B comparison On Same Truck Same day....... it is pretty hard to say with 100% certainty!

Westers also is getting close to the TTS.

Is Steve Truly 'Done' with the TTS Extreme??????

One thing is 100% certain.

"Competition Improves The Breed"

I just have one thing to say. All the Dmaxs out here running the TTS are fast. DMAX Doug has a TTS EX. and he run's 13.2 on motor alone and 12.17 with a .080 jet. Stock motor, stock turbo, no other prog. Just exh. intake and a FASS pump. Thats it!
NO STACKING, Damn thats fast.

I just have one thing to say. All the Dmaxs out here running the TTS are fast. DMAX Doug has a TTS EX. and he run's 13.2 on motor alone and 12.17 with a .080 jet. Stock motor, stock turbo, no other prog. Just exh. intake and a FASS pump. Thats it!
NO STACKING, Damn thats fast.
Last year at Muncie Tomac was running HJ/quad stack and running 12.6-7 fuel and 12 flat w/ mid .060 jet, granted he does seem to get the most out of his set-up on both tracks.

Key words in Blue

why is it that everyone pushes the tts when they are only claiming a 200 h.p. gain???

PPE is claiming 330+ h.p.


Is it that the PPE and edge dont play good togehter or is it that the TTS plays better with the edge.

Or would one be better to run with the new bully dog with the monitor they are claiming 200 on there chip....

ALso i read all that tech stuff on the lift pumps just what exactly do they help with more fuel or better fuel eficency??
would it be a good idea with my earlier post of goodies to add a lift pump?? (1 or 2)pumps

The TTS Xtreme will not stack with the juice. There really hasnt been any single program or stack that has proven to make more power than it by itself. Not saying it is the strongest but no one that has an Xtreme choses to run anything else. No one has proven anything to be better than the xtreme.

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If you have read all that has been posted on lift pumps and dont understand the basic hows and whys and what options are out there then ask any specific question you have. There are pages of info. I searched for "lift pump" in the fuel and air forum and got quite a few hits. here its clicky for you http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/search.php?searchid=295957 I hate to sound like an ass and rip on the new guy but sheesh......maybe I just havent had my cup of coffee thismorning or something? If your not going to take a bit of time and effort yourself why should we help you? :rant:

I run the hot/hot stack and the results have been good. Of course, they have not met the TTS standards :) . I ran the stack w/o a lift pump and it fell on its face. I only could muster a 14.4 due to loss of fuel. At that time, I had the PPE Boost increase valve. I was setting boost and fuel codes. I removed the PPE valve, added a SD lift pump and i was back in business. I only ran the truck 3x a couple weeks ago. I think HJ was set at 3/5 and got me a 13.6 @ 99. Not sure on the specifics...dont have the slips nearby. I will be going to the track tonight and will try using all of the HJ settings (0-5). After I find the best setting and test all of them, I will go to the nitrous and test with various jets. I should be able to post full results tomorrow. Just want to get the testing in before I get the TTS.

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The TTS Xtreme will not stack with the juice. There really hasnt been any single program or stack that has proven to make more power than it by itself. Not saying it is the strongest but no one that has an Xtreme choses to run anything else. No one has proven anything to be better than the xtreme.

Add a lift pump set up that will deliver adequate volume.Add a lift pump set up that will deliver adequate volume.Add a lift pump set up that will deliver adequate volume.Add a lift pump set up that will deliver adequate volume.Add a lift pump set up that will deliver adequate volume.Add a lift pump set up that will deliver adequate volume.

If you have read all that has been posted on lift pumps and dont understand the basic hows and whys and what options are out there then ask any specific question you have. There are pages of info. I searched for "lift pump" in the fuel and air forum and got quite a few hits. here its clicky for you http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/search.php?searchid=295957 I hate to sound like an ass and rip on the new guy but sheesh......maybe I just havent had my cup of coffee thismorning or something? If your not going to take a bit of time and effort yourself why should we help you? :rant:

WOOO....

Sorry just didnt know anything about tts or even here of that to this matter until i looged on here I did the searches and still a little confused is all.

what i really am just wondering is when you guys are refering to 2/3 0r 3/5 setting what exaclty does that mean??
ANd i already tried looking in other posts and could not find any results....
Dont mean to be that guy but i am LOST and very Confused on this whole stack thing. is it good or bad???:help:

There are two settings on the Edge:

Power level - 1 thru 5
Low RPM fueling - 1 thru 5

Stacking normally involves a harness box and a PCM tune. Some stacks work, others don't.

There are two settings on the Edge:

Power level - 1 thru 5
Low RPM fueling - 1 thru 5

Stacking normally involves a harness box and a PCM tune. Some stacks work, others don't.

THANK YOU!!!!!

so if you have the thing stacked with the ppe wouldnt' you have to back down the fueling or not and also what is ment by the truck bursting mean.

bursting is running out of fuel or sometimes too items that do not stack, usually when stacking you start at the lower settings on the edge(harness box) and work your way up till it bursts or loses performance

ok, so can I stack my PPE with a TTS?























:lol:

:funnypost

id like to see you try it lol

is a lift pump neede to get the up most out of this setup?? Been playing with the edge juice and monitor and just cant tell what the hell is the best setup for this combo???

is a lift pump neede to get the up most out of this setup?? Been playing with the edge juice and monitor and just cant tell what the hell is the best setup for this combo???
Run it on a dyno or the track to find the best settings. Over 400 RWHP a lift pump is a good idea.

thank you. We have a Test an tune comin up at the track in a couple of weeks... Is it true though that a good setting on the strip may not be a good setup on the dirt pulling??

thank you. We have a Test an tune comin up at the track in a couple of weeks... Is it true though that a good setting on the strip may not be a good setup on the dirt pulling??

I do not know. Mtomac or Nick can help you out there.

thanks for all the great info!!!!++++++++++++++++++++++++

I ran a 13.16 @ 103 mph with a Quad 215 and a HJWA 5/5 last night. I do have a lift pump and the run was smooth. The 60 ft was a 1.881 which is good for me and the track I run on. I was really hoping for a 12 sec time slip last night but the 60 ft went away the next run and the ET fell off a little. It also sucks to only be able to get 2 runs all night. I was thinking of trying the PPE ET Eliminator with HJWA stack to see if that would help push me over the edge. It would be kind of an expensive thing to do for just over a tenth and a half if it even gives me it.

I ran a 13.16 @ 103 mph with a Quad 215 and a HJWA 5/5 last night. I do have a lift pump and the run was smooth. The 60 ft was a 1.881 which is good for me and the track I run on. I was really hoping for a 12 sec time slip last night but the 60 ft went away the next run and the ET fell off a little. It also sucks to only be able to get 2 runs all night. I was thinking of trying the PPE ET Eliminator with HJWA stack to see if that would help push me over the edge. It would be kind of an expensive thing to do for just over a tenth and a half if it even gives me it.

are you running a single lift pump or dual?

Single Product Engineering pump with a Nicktane pre filter. I also have it regulated right after the pump to just under 4 psi at idle. It will hold 3 psi on a full 1/4 mile run.

I've Been Told That The Ppe And Edge Does Not Stack That Well On Lb7's The Better Stack Is A Edge H/j With Quad 215 Makes A Better Stack Or A Tts Alone Will Equal The Edge And Quad Stack. But When You Get That Much Fuel Adj To The Motor With Programs You Need More Air Either N2o Or A Bigger Turbo.

"But When You Get That Much Fuel Adj To The Motor With Programs You Need More Air Either N2o Or A Bigger Turbo."
That will be my next step.