I keep hearing about EDGE have a few problems. It quit me the other day when I went out to start my truck. And has also quit alot of other people. One person said "He is on his 4th unit".
So the questions is, does Banks have any issues? I havnt heard a thing about Banks issues. is Banks more reliable?
I know alot of people when with EDGE becuase they didnt need to buy guages and its a hell of a lot cheaper than Banks. But does Banks offer more reliability and quality for the price?
Thanks all anyother info on this subject would be great

I have had my banks for more that a year and NO problems at all. a couple people I know have the edge and they start wacking out when underhood temps rise. we were on a long trip from so cal to montana. high temps all the way and no problems with the banks in my truck or another guys. the guy on the trip with the edge had some trouble keeping it on the setting he wanted. I think they are both good, and the people on this site seem to like the edge the most, but I went with the banks cause Gale Banks knows what he is doing. good luck making your decision

most guys report that banks is overrated and overpriced for what you get.

most guys report that banks is overrated and overpriced for what you get.

Yeah, around here the only complaint is when the customer writes the check,after that it"s all grinds and smiles and years of great service,The first program in the LLY had some loping and smoke, the 05B program is awesome and not ONE issue.

Until they go to a dyno event (if they don't chicken out) and walk away with their heads hung low...

http://dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42514

Dmax05, Some Edge units had a hardware issue, but Edge is excellent about replacing under warranty. Look at the Banks install sheet prior to making a decision. Splicing TCM wires, main harness thru firewall so module is inside cab etc.

I can't speak for Banks or for using them but at this point even though I experienced the "hot" bug I am sold on EDGE all the way. The unit couldn't be any easier to install/uninstall. I don't know about you but I will be dammed if I am going to start "splicing" lines. You start adding on things to a line designed for so much current and so many amps and @#$@# starts going haywire. Edge simpply plugs into existing harness connections and bang your up and running. I also don't care for units that "rewrite" your computer code. It fricks up and off to the stealer with a dead truck you go to reprogram....you dont have that problem with Edge either. LOL HEY I AM :rant: ing....no seriously Edge all the way. Great product excellent customer service and you aren't going to get that kind of power with that many options anywhere else for those smackers. Buy the Edge/Attitude and :grd:

Until they go to a dyno event (if they don't chicken out) and walk away with their heads hung low...

http://dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42514

Dmax05, Some Edge units had a hardware issue, but Edge is excellent about replacing under warranty. Look at the Banks install sheet prior to making a decision. Splicing TCM wires, main harness thru firewall so module is inside cab etc.

Yes on LB7,LLY different install,The PDA is Here and ships in two weeks.Let talk Edge we offered their product for a short time.The test vehicle 04 LB7 and 04.5 ISBe Cummins ,the Edge did not detect a complete bank of injector being turn off on the ISBe, it did not detect a shift valve circuit problem on the Allison,Before each vehicle was put in gear the Six-Gun Tuners were in default mode.
(On edit) Edge pass on all boost and trans slip detection.Banks has FMEA and only failed one Test Relay air heater circuit on the ISBe.

Kennedy, Some Edge units had a hardware issue, but Edge is excellent about replacing under warranty. Look at the Banks install sheet prior to making a decision. Splicing TCM wires, main harness thru firewall so module is inside cab etc.[/quote]

Reviewed the Installation instruction for the Co-pilot lately.The Co-pilot has prove to be a great Performance Add-on.According to your post because you splice a couple of wires it makes it inferior.

imagine that, somebody that sells banks loves it. the facts are most people [not all] think banks is overrated. do a search.

imagine that, somebody that sells banks loves it. the facts are most people [not all] think banks is overrated. do a search.

T&C is not in business to practice extreme prejudice,we have the resources and the capital to honor any manufacture products.Yes I think GBE needs to improve there image,it"s not that their products are overrated (They all do that) it is the marketing that has hurt GBE.T&C promotes and supports ATS Transmissions ,we do offer their performance products with others Pacbrake,SB Clutch,Banks Has these products we will offer them but we don"t promote them, Each manufacturer Excel in one area or another.The INTERNET forums are a good touch tone Only.One person in ten that actually are members of any site, many never post.I would encourage You do a search on T&C you have My permission to post any negative link you can find on any site or forum.We are Here to help all GBE customers. EDGE,QUAD,and many others have great products.T&C is more focus on safety and longevity,reliability and customer service.DYNO numbers are important ,But are not a passport to the products worthiness ,Many things can effect the numbers corrected/uncorrected, etc.On any given Day the numbers can change.It is a honor to post the Highest numbers after the event and should be recognized as such.

imagine that, somebody that sells banks loves it. the facts are most people [not all] think banks is overrated. do a search.

I like mine, I may not win at the track but who cares?!??!!

I didn't over pay for mine, I got the whole setup for about $500 used.

Never had any issues, I guess having it in the cab is a plus.....:thumb:

Regarding the original question about which is more reliable, that would be Banks.

My LB7 Juice and Attitude is over 3 years old.
It was once a 'Juice' and no attitude.... then it was modded to accept the attitude, and that same module still graces my engine bay to this day.

It has been through 9 software revisions, and apart from one revision that caused a 'no start' condition, no further issues in the last year.

It is still my own personal best 'do it all' module.

Have not tried a 6 gun so i have no opinion on it.

No revisions needed on my Gun.

I have had a Banks kit with exhaust for some 8 months now and have not been able to use it for more than several hours. Every time I hook it up, the engine(LB-7)-2001 Duramax--runs erratically. It acts as if it's going against the rev limiter, only the RPMS are between 800 and 1000. Have sent two modules back to Banks and they have indicated nothing is wrong with the product. Installed a data recorder from the GM dealer and have now replaced theinjector pump and the injectors. Still have the same problem. I'm not giving up on Banks--might be in my truck electrical--however no one seems to have any answers. Mybe someone here can help----This is my first post/reply as I've only discovered the site a couple of days ago.

Is the module throwing any codes? Have all of the updates been done to your truck?

Yes all updates have been done and No the module is not showing any codes

Edge has done at least two things that make it stand out as an exceptional company. First, they don’t over hype the performance of their products. They do what they say. Second, if there is a problem they will fix it, no questions asked as soon as possible. I had a problem with my Juice module. Not with its performance, but with its unwillingness to accept programming instructions through the fun little gearshift and pedal dance. Edge sent out a new box w/o hesitation and paid the cost of returning the recalcitrant unit. The new unit has worked flawlessly. On one hand it is tempting to say they shouldn’t have sent a defective product in the first place. On the other hand, recognizing that nothing made by man is perfect. Edge goes the extra mile and provides exceptionally courteous and efficient after sale customer support. That’s the way to earn brand loyalty.

TC

Edge has done at least two things that make it stand out as an exceptional company. First, they don’t over hype the performance of their products. They do what they say. Second, if there is a problem they will fix it, no questions asked as soon as possible. I had a problem with my Juice module. Not with its performance, but with its unwillingness to accept programming instructions through the fun little gearshift and pedal dance. Edge sent out a new box w/o hesitation and paid the cost of returning the recalcitrant unit. The new unit has worked flawlessly. On one hand it is tempting to say they shouldn’t have sent a defective product in the first place. On the other hand, recognizing that nothing made by man is perfect. Edge goes the extra mile and provides exceptionally courteous and efficient after sale customer support. That’s the way to earn brand loyalty.

TC

Well, Banks isn't having the problems that Edge is having right now. There are countless threads on Edge and Heat, but how many on Banks and heat.....NONE....maybe Edge should make a longer harness and mount it in the cab like Banks, then they wouldn't have a problem with people sending them back to get "fixed".......:cool:

About a year ago, another member on this site also had some issues when the Banks was installed in his truck. After all was said and done, it wasn't the Banks at all, but something to do with the truck itself. I can't remember who it was or what the problem was, but I hope you get to the bottom of it. Good luck.

I have had a Banks kit with exhaust for some 8 months now and have not been able to use it for more than several hours. Every time I hook it up, the engine(LB-7)-2001 Duramax--runs erratically. It acts as if it's going against the rev limiter, only the RPMS are between 800 and 1000. Have sent two modules back to Banks and they have indicated nothing is wrong with the product. Installed a data recorder from the GM dealer and have now replaced theinjector pump and the injectors. Still have the same problem. I'm not giving up on Banks--might be in my truck electrical--however no one seems to have any answers. Mybe someone here can help----This is my first post/reply as I've only discovered the site a couple of days ago.

Generally this is a last know value problem ,I can help you clear all the values and start from 0 ,and I think the Problem is in the Apps.You can contact us # is in sig.

Reviewed the Installation instruction for the Co-pilot lately.The Co-pilot has prove to be a great Performance Add-on.According to your post because you splice a couple of wires it makes it inferior.

The copilot is a completely different animal and at this point in time, the way it installs is the only practical way to do it. Power modules like the Edge and VA can plug in exclusvely to the large CAN connectors without any splicing and get all the info that they need. The main unit can ride under the hood for easy R&R at service time with the only thing necessary to run into the cab being the switching module if desired.

I don't splice anything for the Copilot myself, I use the KD exclusive Map tap harness and skip any speed limit parts because that can be done with a tuner. The only PITA part of the copilot install is the T/H signal pickup. I regret having ever spliced at my TCM for the Copilot, but at the time that was the only way to do speed. I also regret splicing for the banks. I can take any other module and plug it in simply, easily, test it and remove without ever knowing it was there which is especially handy when doing dyno testing.

In summary, if Banks (or anybody for that matter) had the ability to do what the Copilot did without any splicing THEN the Copilot would be inferior. In other words for a product to be inferior, there first must be a product that is SUPERIOR...