Certain someone has broken there old record:ro) :ro)
Street driven too!!
http://www.1320video.com/videos.php
Should be the first vid or look for the vid titled : Parish Does it Again!


And all from a 408 gasser on pump gas. hmmm I recall and old discussion about gas verus diesel. And no this is not a mega buck build-up so cool it.

gassers enjoy

Diesel heads feel free to turn green with envy.

Yeah, that was pretty cool, but it' not very practical pulling a trailer down the road at 5500 RPM and using 2 gallons per mile. Look gas is fast diesel is power. Can't we all just get along?

I've read about Parish on the LS1 boards.....Hat's off to him. Nice to see the front end on his truck rise up on that last max psi pull.

Yeah, that was pretty cool, but it' not very practical pulling a trailer down the road at 5500 RPM and using 2 gallons per mile. Look gas is fast diesel is power. Can't we all just get along?
You've got that right. My Tundra 4.7 was quicker than snot. Also ran 3000 to 3500 pulling itself up a steep grade at 75.

My new D'max pulls the same grade without downshifting at 1800.

I like the Nopi girls video down the page a ways. :)

Yeah, that was pretty cool, but it' not very practical pulling a trailer down the road at 5500 RPM and using 2 gallons per mile. Look gas is fast diesel is power. Can't we all just get along?



Since when does a dmax diesel run at 1000rwhp pulling a trailer???:confused: :confused:

Besides done some reading(on this forum site) lately, dmax vs. cummins threads, sound like dmax runs into problems with the block holding to together after 700rwhp.

most forged 408 strokers are based off the lq4 iron block seem to have no problem holding big power.

The point was for all out performance, can't beat gassers for cost and power.

Just had to give a little back, can't let you guys think your all that. ):h ):h

Parish has one of the most powerful late model V8 engines built to date. He's truly a pioneer in hyper-performance, and he deserves a standing ovation!

But...

You don't seriously believe that a turbo 408ci LS1 build that makes over 900rwhp is a "low budget" or simple build, right?

What does "not practical pulling a trailer" have ANYTHING to do with what he is trying to accomplish with that truck???? Pulling a trailer has nothing to do with it nor does it make his truck any less impressive. Give him credit for what he has done.

Because most of us performance diesel guys pull trailers also. With the flip of a few switches most of us can be back to stock.

What does "not practical pulling a trailer" have ANYTHING to do with what he is trying to accomplish with that truck???? Pulling a trailer has nothing to do with it nor does it make his truck any less impressive. Give him credit for what he has done.

Look again at the title of this thread.

We can get the same mileage (if not better) at 500rwhp as we can stock. We can tow our racecars to the track, and wipe out most street cars with our trucks when we unhook. We do not run race fuel or even Premium fuel. In a pinch, we can get home by dumping kerosene or jet fuel in our tanks.

For most people who use trucks as trucks, diesel is the perfect blend of insane performance and economy that gasoline as a fuel cannot ever hope to match. Certainly diesel IS the performance fuel of the future for street use.

I wasn't knocking diesel trucks, ok??? So don't try to discredit what this guy has done by trying to run it down because of what trailer it will or won't pull. He does it for street racing, speed, nothing else, that is his game and he does it very damn well!!!!!!!! If you want to compare his truck to yours, yes, you win big time if pulling a trailer is one of the defining factors, however, he wins BIG TIME if speed, 1/4 mile times is the defining factor here and you can not deny that!

I did read the title of this thread, didn't say i agreed with it though. Reread my post, i simply ask what trailers has to do with what this guy is trying to accomplish? I never tried to run down your diesel or discredit what you can do with your diesel, did i?

What does "not practical pulling a trailer" have ANYTHING to do with what he is trying to accomplish with that truck???? Pulling a trailer has nothing to do with it nor does it make his truck any less impressive. Give him credit for what he has done.
Boy, these gassheads are really touchy about the proven fact that diesels are more powerful. My point was that gassers make their power up high, which is OK for racing, not so practical for towing. I said they're fast, that's why you don't see Top Fuel Diesels, but diesels are superior at doing what trucks are made for and that is working them. That's why you don't see any gas Semis.

Gashead huh, lol. You still don't get the picture.

Not a mega buck build up huh? That new stroker motor and turbo setup was pretty pricey I think. The third different turbo he has had on there too I believe. Not exactly a stock transmission either.

It is an impressive truck, and he has done a lot with it. It is very fast. It's got a hell of a sleeper advantage as well. We're all impressed what can be done just by swapping out motors and transmissions and adding a turbo.

Just don't try to make it sound like it's just a turbo'd truck... You know it had a boatload of mods done, and they weren't cheap.

Geez guys ease up....Diesels are great , but they are not the answer to the world..I still say hats off to the guy...Those numbers are damn good.

Look again at the title of this thread.

We can get the same mileage (if not better) at 500rwhp as we can stock. We can tow our racecars to the track, and wipe out most street cars with our trucks when we unhook. We do not run race fuel or even Premium fuel. In a pinch, we can get home by dumping kerosene or jet fuel in our tanks.

For most people who use trucks as trucks, diesel is the perfect blend of insane performance and economy that gasoline as a fuel cannot ever hope to match. Certainly diesel IS the performance fuel of the future for street use.

Really, better mileage at 500rwhp:confused: If that was possible GM would be All over that. PLease tell me why GM is updating the Dmax block for just 360hp??

Dollar for Dollar any gasser make more HP than dollar for dollar on a diesel. period! That was my point, street, strip, or anywhere. Sooo by economy you mean little over $7000 for a ATS allison extreme trans is value and some how cheap just for a trans


I admit the title of this thread, a little trouble making. :stirthepoDon't get me wrong parish8 works hard day in and day out, Does most of the work himself. And this saturday, drove to the track made some passes and drove home with stock 10 bolt rearend and DR's at all four corners.

Differences aside, point I was making is big power gassers are out there, and are cheaper to build and make more hp for cheaper.

NOtice I did not mileage, beside if you can make better than 23 mpg at 500rwhp :smoke2: hats to you. Far as street cars, So what the top speed on a Dmax, Cause I think of 5 street cars that are low 11's and mid 10's off the top of my head. And what street diesel has gone tens yet???

Really, better mileage at 500rwhp:confused: If that was possible GM would be All over that. PLease tell me why GM is updating the Dmax block for just 360hp??

Dollar for Dollar any gasser make more HP than dollar for dollar on a diesel. period! That was my point, street, strip, or anywhere. Sooo by economy you mean little over $7000 for a ATS allison extreme trans is value and some how cheap just for a trans


I admit the title of this thread, a little trouble making. :stirthepoDon't get me wrong parish8 works hard day in and day out, Does most of the work himself. And this saturday, drove to the track made some passes and drove home with stock 10 bolt rearend and DR's at all four corners.

Differences aside, point I was making is big power gassers are out there, and are cheaper to build and make more hp for cheaper.

NOtice I did not mileage, beside if you can make better than 23 mpg at 500rwhp :smoke2: hats to you. Far as street cars, So what the top speed on a Dmax, Cause I think of 5 street cars that are low 11's and mid 10's off the top of my head. And what street diesel has gone tens yet???like blocks have never been updated before.........what was that guys name..........who.....Keith Black........ what did he update?:muahaha: and what times do they run?

How much does it cost to add 200 hp to a gasser? Don't try bringing up the trans mods; I just built 2 killer 4l60Es that cost around 5K each.
mike

I took a bone stock diesel truck and dropped over 2 seconds off the ET in less than 5 minutes for less than $350. With just that mod, it will run with stock SRT-10's and Lightnings.

Look again at the title of this thread.

We can get the same mileage (if not better) at 500rwhp as we can stock. We can tow our racecars to the track, and wipe out most street cars with our trucks when we unhook. We do not run race fuel or even Premium fuel. In a pinch, we can get home by dumping kerosene or jet fuel in our tanks.

For most people who use trucks as trucks, diesel is the perfect blend of insane performance and economy that gasoline as a fuel cannot ever hope to match. Certainly diesel IS the performance fuel of the future for street use.

In order for diesel to be the future for street use, there are some things that MUST happen. The reason gas has been and will continue to be so popular is the cost to purchase and build a small budget, daily driven street racer, car or truck. For a couple of grand you can by a used car or truck, put another couple of grand in it and have you a decent ride(before you jump off the deep end here, no it won't out run a top fueler, who cares?, but then again, neither will the fastest deisel on the planet). For so long now, you could buy something used with a 350/454 that has more aftermarket ,go fast goodies available than all 3 big diesel makers combined, and it can be bought cheap, by the everyday, hard working blue collar worker that doesn't make a ton of money. No one on here can argue that fact, and probably more of the older members on here has done just that when they were teenagers, in their 20's because that was all they could afford at the time or all that was available. Until the average Joe can go to the local used car lot or classified ads and purchase a used diesel for a couple of grand, put a couple grand in the engine and have a daily driven street rod, diesel will not be the future of street racing. Also, until you get the weight of a diesel considerably lower than 7000lbs, it will take everything you can throw at it to compete with a 4000lb ride with less hp/torque that cost less to build. Yes, diesel makes a ton of power, but at a huge cost when you figure the cost to purchase the ride and the mods to increase hp/torque. I have built several go fast gassers in my lifetime, i have the money to buy whatever i want, and dollar for dollar, gas is still the way to go if you want to go fast on a few thousand dollars. I built Mustangs back in the 70's on a couple thousand dollars that todays $45000.00 diesel trucks could not touch......that is what it will take in todays world for diesel rule like gas has for decades. I do want to stress here that i am not knocking diesels, i admire their potential and i agree they have more potential than a gas engine, simple physics, more energy in a gallon of diesel than a gallon of gas, however, that is not and will not be the deciding factor in it's future, the cost to build will be.

PS - Yes we DO get great mileage at high power levels. The injectors shoot the same amount of fuel cruising at 70mph no matter what the tuner is capable of at WOT. Until you replace injectors, your highway mileage is uneffected, and usually will increase a little due to improved injector timing.

And we have no emissions testing! :D

hey guys, no point in arguing wich fuel is better. they both have their advantages.

btw, i do have a hitch on the truck and was just towing a trailer the other day. it tows great but of course like any gaser sucks up the fuel.

if fuel stays nuts like it is i might be buying one of the jetta tdi's. 50mpg would be a nice thing.

And we have no emissions testing! :D
I was curious about that, as I haven;t owned any vehicle longer than 5 years since they went to the new "first test at 5 years" rule.

So currently, CA Diesels are exempt from testing? I've heard that in AZ, they're good for 5 years, but require annual testing after that.

Of course, leave it to the CARB to impose testing on us, which will mean that the kitty's will have to go back on. They are getting very close to imposing testing on street bikes... the manufacturers and AMA are pushing hard against it.

How much does it cost to add 200 hp to a gasser? Don't try bringing up the trans mods; I just built 2 killer 4l60Es that cost around 5K each.
mike

How much does it cost.........$500.00, just add some giggle gas to it. And i will bring up the trans mods because an automatic is not a requirement nor does it take as much of a built tranny to push a 3500 to 4500lb ride as it does a 7000lb plus ride. There have been a lot TH350's 400's built for a ton less than 5k that saw some serious hp and hold up.

How much does it cost.........$500.00, just add some giggle gas to it. And i will bring up the trans mods because an automatic is not a requirement nor does it take as much of a built tranny to push a 3500 to 4500lb ride as it does a 7000lb plus ride. There have been a lot TH350's 400's built for a ton less than 5k that saw some serious hp and hold up.

Just try and spray a 200rwhp shot with a $500 kit. Good luck. :D

PS - Diesels like the bottle too! Moreso that gassers and dry kits are cheaper. Spray too big a shot, and the engine just lays down. You don't have to mop up the oil or get the fire extinguisher.

I took a bone stock diesel truck and dropped over 2 seconds off the ET in less than 5 minutes for less than $350. With just that mod, it will run with stock SRT-10's and Lightnings.


So your modded diesel will run with stock gassers. hmmm...


So how about give those other 2 truck 350 dollars then for mods???

And did not know that a stock diesel truck with cheap programmer could run low 13's on the stock trans:confused:

(stock dmax of 16.4 minus 2 secs equals 14.4 is some how faster than a 13 sec stock factory trucks :confused: )

honeybearz is right on, made my point better than I can.

Anyways, this so far off topic, thought I spice up the gasser section):h . Has been pretty dead lately


Congrats to parish8on new times, 9's are close. just watched the vid, :ro) :ro) :ro)

So your modded diesel will run with stock gassers. hmmm...


So how about give those other 2 truck 350 dollars then for mods???

And did not know that a stock diesel truck with cheap programmer could run low 13's on the stock trans:confused:

(stock dmax of 16.4 minus 2 secs equals 14.4 is some how faster than a 13 sec stock factory trucks :confused: )

honeybearz is right on, made my point better than I can.

Anyways, this so far off topic, thought I spice up the gasser section):h . Has been pretty dead lately


Congrats to parish8on new times, 9's are close. just watched the vid, :ro) :ro) :ro)

Modded? I guess you can call changing just the engine tune modded. If we had the tools (like LS1 Edit/HPtuners), it would be essentially free to add big HP.

At LACR, neither a Lightning or SRT-10 runs 13's bone stock. Mid to high 14's. A C6 400HP Corvette (3200lb) with Bernie at the wheel (a very experienced drag racer, and owner of the dragstrip) ran mid 13's last week.

When I get Casper finished, I'll post exactly what it took to make it perform. Then you judge the costs and results.

Just try and spray a 200rwhp shot with a $500 kit. Good luck. :D

PS - Diesels like the bottle too! Moreso that gassers and dry kits are cheaper. Spray too big a shot, and the engine just lays down. You don't have to mop up the oil or get the fire extinguisher.

LOL, where did a kit come from, i am not so mechanically challanged that i have to buy something out of a box and it must be plug and play, get over it.

Well just think of the diesel having more advantages then a gasonline engine....plus us diesel guys get smoke and dont have to deal with spark plugs.

My problem with the truck now is that he put the ugly wheels on it its not a sleeper anymore

Well just think of the diesel having more advantages then a gasonline engine....plus us diesel guys get smoke and dont have to deal with spark plugs.

Please educate me on how 'smoke' is an advantage?

Visisble smoke is setting back the diesel movement 20 years.

DEWFPO

Modded? I guess you can call changing just the engine tune modded. If we had the tools (like LS1 Edit/HPtuners), it would be essentially free to add big HP.

At LACR, neither a Lightning or SRT-10 runs 13's bone stock. Mid to high 14's. A C6 400HP Corvette (3200lb) with Bernie at the wheel (a very experienced drag racer, and owner of the dragstrip) ran mid 13's last week.

When I get Casper finished, I'll post exactly what it took to make it perform. Then you judge the costs and results.


Oh and the standard C6 vette is not even close to 3200bls. The new z06 is good for 3100++lbs with an alum. frame. something does not sound right here.


408 gasser with turbo running 26psi = 1011hp

403 turbodiesel running 40+ psi = 650hp

you be the judge.

Why does the diesel powerplant require so much boost??

Well just think of the diesel having more advantages then a gasonline engine....plus us diesel guys get smoke and dont have to deal with spark plugs.

LoL, this is just to easy. You're right, you don't have to deal with 8 spark plugs that can be bought with change from a 20 dollar bill, what you have to deal with cost MUCH MUCH more.

You have $5,000.00 to purchase and build a 12 second ride, this is all you can spend, what are you going to buy, a gasser or a diesel?

You have $10,000.00.........which one?

You have $15,000.00..........which one?

d-max...hands down!

d-max...hands down!
I saw that one coming like a B29 :D

d-max...hands down!

LOL, show me a d-max you can buy for under $5000. :grd:
Not one?
Show me one you can buy for $10,000.
Not one?
Show me one you can buy for $15,000.
Still not one?

I saw that one coming like a B29 :D

Yeah, you saw something, you just didn't see a diesel you could or would buy for less than $5000, did ya? LOL Read and understand the question.

I was joking! why are you so upset?...btw I own a hot rod also!

Yeah, you saw something, you just didn't see a diesel you could or would buy for less than $5000, did ya? LOL Read and understand the question.
You aren't going to be able to buy/build a 12-second ride for 5k either.

My understanding of the question was "If you had 5k to put into your vehicle to turn it into a 12 second ride, what would you get"

Show me one you can buy for $15,000.
Still not one?
Gee... we do hold our resale value well, don't we :D

I was joking! why are you so upset?...btw I own a hot rod also!

No, don't take it wrong, i was not and am not upset, this is just a debate going on, that's all, ok?

You aren't going to be able to buy/build a 12-second ride for 5k either.

My understanding of the question was "If you had 5k to put into your vehicle to turn it into a 12 second ride, what would you get"

No, the question states you have 5 grand to purchase and build, not add to what you already have.

And you can buy and build a 12 second ride for 5 grand, been there, done that, not that hard. Never said it would be a show winner, but it can be done. If you can't do it on the 5 grand scale, move up to the 10 grand or 15 grand scale and tell me what you would buy.

Gee... we do hold our resale value well, don't we :D

Yes, i give you credit for that, they certianly do hold their resale value, and with good reason, their longevity. I watched the Barrett/Jackson auction the other night and saw several gassers go for over 25 times their original purchase price, some Mustang GT500's. I think the best one's have seen on there are the Hemi Dodge's, one went for over a million dollars.

Damn, that is one sick silverado...

Yes, i give you credit for that, they certianly do hold their resale value, and with good reason, their longevity. I watched the Barrett/Jackson auction the other night and saw several gassers go for over 25 times their original purchase price, some Mustang GT500's. I think the best one's have seen on there are the Hemi Dodge's, one went for over a million dollars.

All your arguments have been out of line. Yes, I can purchase a p/s body and throw an engine into it and could run 12s a few times before I $hitcanned it. Question was as I understood it ; taking a decent vehichle ( 2K or later) and make it run 12s. I was over at Transgo a couple of weeks ago while they were moding a supercharged Heemi Dodge. This truck had a lot of money in it and could not come close to my Duramax in performance. I have built tranmissions for a lot of late model supercharged trucks lately and they won't get it either. As far as resale; you guys are kissing the ground that a turbo small block rolls over. Yes, it is one hell of a truck and very impressive and my hat is off to the man. Truck is worth .50 for anything other than what he uses it for. I can't use a truck that is suspect in cold weather, hot weather, rain on the streets, snow on the streets, won't tow a trailer to the strip, unhook, lay down a 12 second pass ( all 7K of it) hook my trailer back up and tow it through Death Valley at over 115 F without a worry. And you, Mr. Gasser?):h

Oh and the standard C6 vette is not even close to 3200bls. The new z06 is good for 3100++lbs with an alum. frame. something does not sound right here.


408 gasser with turbo running 26psi = 1011hp

403 turbodiesel running 40+ psi = 650hp

you be the judge.

Why does the diesel powerplant require so much boost??

You certainly don't want to play with the diesels that run over 100psi boost. You will not match the power in a truck engine running gasoline.

Diesels don't spin to make power. That's why they last 250,000+ miles, and your gas race motors are disposable.

All your arguments have been out of line. Yes, I can purchase a p/s body and throw an engine into it and could run 12s a few times before I $hitcanned it. Question was as I understood it ; taking a decent vehichle ( 2K or later) and make it run 12s. I was over at Transgo a couple of weeks ago while they were moding a supercharged Heemi Dodge. This truck had a lot of money in it and could not come close to my Duramax in performance. I have built tranmissions for a lot of late model supercharged trucks lately and they won't get it either. As far as resale; you guys are kissing the ground that a turbo small block rolls over. Yes, it is one hell of a truck and very impressive and my hat is off to the man. Truck is worth .50 for anything other than what he uses it for. I can't use a truck that is suspect in cold weather, hot weather, rain on the streets, snow on the streets, won't tow a trailer to the strip, unhook, lay down a 12 second pass ( all 7K of it) hook my trailer back up and tow it through Death Valley at over 115 F without a worry. And you, Mr. Gasser?):h

Darn Mike, you are to easy to get stirred up!
No, they are not out of line. And where at in my comments did you get "take a 2000 or later model truck"? Go back and reread them, no where in there did i mention a 2000 or later model ride so don't go trying to change the question to suit your needs. As far as my ride, Mr. Diesel, i am not in the 12 second range, however, i can tow anything you can, go through your death valley at what ever temp and not have to worry as much as you do for that matter. You can argue all you want, fact is you cannot purchase a diesel and make it run 12 seconds for as little money as you can a gasser, that is a fact due to the initial cost to purchase a diesel, there are no low budget 2,3,4 or 5 grand diesels are there? And Until you see used diesels for A LOT less than what they are now, you will not be able to! Go ahead, try all you want. LOL As far as the comment about a supercharged hemi Dodge not being close to your 12 second truck, i doubt if they are very far from 12 seconds, get real. A supercharged hemi dodge would be quicker than a Ford lightning, do you not agree???? What do the Lightnings run? Doesn't put it very far from it. Heck, you even stated in your own reply that you could take a p/s body and throw and engine in it and run 12's, didn't you?

So, back to my original question. you have 5,10 or 15 grand to build a 12 second ride, what will you buy to make that happen? Again, i stated it doesn't have to be a show winner.

You certainly don't want to play with the diesels that run over 100psi boost. You will not match the power in a truck engine running gasoline.

Diesels don't spin to make power. That's why they last 250,000+ miles, and your gas race motors are disposable.


So you get 100psi boost for 350 dollars?? us or candian??

2nd time
Why does the diesel powerplant require so much boost??


How about equal amounts of boost for each motor,

Parish8's 26psi = 1011rwhp:ro)

stock like 22psi Dmax = 340 rwhp maybe

Well????

You certainly don't want to play with the diesels that run over 100psi boost. You will not match the power in a truck engine running gasoline.

Diesels don't spin to make power. That's why they last 250,000+ miles, and your gas race motors are disposable.

100psi of boost does little good if the extra fuel is not there, in this case i think the injectors would be so big it would be slobering all over it's self and surging just to stay running when your foot is not in it, however, i am not familiar with the vehicle you are trying to talk about here so i can't honestly pass any judgment on it. Show me and engine like this that has 250000 miles on it? Yes, a stock diesel can run that many miles and keep on running, but then again, so can a gas engine. (happen to own the proof, more than 250000 miles to be exact) Playing with a diesel that has 100psi of boost, i wouldn't......however...........there is a lowely gasser on here that only has a meager 26 psi of boost..........you want to play with it?
We can argue this back and forth for ages and until the deisel guys give the gas guys credit for being able to do things you can't with a diesel and the gas guys give the diesel guys credit for being able to do things you can't with a gasser, we will get the same results. Fact is both has their pro's and con's, each is better at some things the other is not, period. And neither is the fuel of the future, nor the answer to all the energy problems.

You guys are just talking about one truck being that fast, the majority of diesels are quick. Im sure if one of the 7,000 pound duramaxes that has high horsepower weighed 3,000 pounds they would be fast to.

Diesel the next end all in performance? No and I dont think anyone here ever said or believed it was. But you can twist things in any way you want to make something come out on top. I know that for my needs and wants a gasser would suck. Buy whats right for you and be happy. That is one fast and bad assed ride. I dont think anyone is arguing that. I would love to have it but if there was a choice between it and my truck I would take my truck. Thats me.

You swing 40 psi with a stock LB7 duramax turbo and it aint going to work for long. If your going to try and ague for or against something at least know what your talking about ahead of time.

Forget what some guy on the internet did, what has YOUR truck done? If its so cheap and easy what is your truck doing? I'm sure you can twist something to make your truck better. I can twist plenty of things to make my truck better but I dont need to to feel big and justify a decision. Sounds like someone has some diesel envy.

Some people are blind and will twist things any way they can in thier minds to make em right. There is never 1 best in all categories.

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Why i believe someone said that on this very thread. lol I can go quote it if you missed, something like diesel IS the performace fuel of the future, looks like another said gas has it's place, just isn't dug yet, go back a few pages. As far as "what has YOUR truck done" i have built plenty that has done pretty darn good, been there done that, done it more than once, will do it again, not twisting anything but your ego. Like i said before, money is not an issue with me, i can buy anything i want and i prefer to buy something and build it myself, i can honestly say then that i built my own ride, didn't buy it out of a box, but that is my thing, i get satisfaction from doing things myself, maybe you get satisfaction buying yours, doesn't matter to me, you stick to your game and i'll stick to mine. I could buy the box anyday, have absolutely no desire to do that, doesn't go with who i am. So, if you want to say you got the last word in, here's your chance, i've debated this enough, funny how some questions get answered without the person actually knowing they answered them.
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well the gasser will definetly beat you to the gas station for sure. but the funny thing is most of us have all owned gassers, thats why we switched! ya they are cheaper to buy, but resale, especially the v 10s and the 8.1s, they pay you to take them! :muahaha: how fast did fletchers truck run?

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Diesel the next end all in performance? No and I dont think anyone here ever said or believed it was. But you can twist things in any way you want to make something come out on top.
Why i believe someone said that on this very thread. lol I can go quote it if you missed, something like diesel IS the performace fuel of the future, looks like another said gas has it's place, just isn't dug yet, go back a few pages. As far as "what has YOUR truck done" i have built plenty that has done pretty darn good, been there done that, done it more than once, will do it again, not twisting anything but your ego. Like i said before, money is not an issue with me, i can buy anything i want and i prefer to buy something and build it myself, i can honestly say then that i built my own ride, didn't buy it out of a box, but that is my thing, i get satisfaction from doing things myself, maybe you get satisfaction buying yours, doesn't matter to me, you stick to your game and i'll stick to mine. I could buy the box anyday, have absolutely no desire to do that, doesn't go with who i am. So, if you want to say you got the last word in, here's your chance, i've debated this enough, funny how some questions get answered without the person actually knowing they answered them.
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Words of a true wannabe that never built anything in his life.):h You keep doin it your way and enjoy the magazines and the couch.:grd:

So which diesel on here will run with parish8's little half-ton? With the little gasser.


Anybody got this months issue of Hot Rod, did not see any diesels in the pump gas drags or running 8's and street legal. hmmm

Words of a true wannabe that never built anything in his life.):h You keep doin it your way and enjoy the magazines and the couch.:grd:

You don't have a clue, dude! Typical response from someone that talks about other people he knows nothing about and claims to be a know it all about them. Very interesting. You should be on Oprah or Jerry Springer or one of those shows, you'd make millions selling that stuff. lol Heck, i want to know more about what my neighbor 2 blocks down from me has going on in his shop, perhaps you could tell me what he has done the last few years? No? Don't have esp or anything like that after all? Figures. :)

honeybearz, my comment wasnt aimed at you;) I agree with you for the most part. I also take pride in doing work to my truck although I havent really had to build it from the ground up. Just plugging a box into my truck didnt get me into the 11's;) But I didnt have to go into the motor at all.

So which diesel on here will run with parish8's little half-ton? With the little gasser.


Anybody got this months issue of Hot Rod, did not see any diesels in the pump gas drags or running 8's and street legal. hmmm

:rolleyes: dude you seriously crack me up.

little 1/2 ton? I guess I could go on and beat my chest about his truck being lighter and ask if his little 1/2 ton could plow snow like my 6800# truck(or even put the 1000# plow up front and the 1k pounds of brick in the back that I plow with) or tow a big trailer :blahblah: or twist things in such a manner to show my truck as superior. I'm not going to say crap about his truck. He built what he wanted and is doing what makes him happy. That what matter. I'm doing what I want and what makes me happy and fits my needs. I just find it funny that generaly people that talk Censored and try to start some drama are the ones that have to use other peoples accomplishments as proof why thier stuff is superior.

No BS excuses. No cry baby:bawl: stuff about you have no money or :blahblah: , just tell me what have you done with your ride?

honeybearz, my comment wasnt aimed at you;) I agree with you for the most part. I also take pride in doing work to my truck although I havent really had to build it from the ground up. Just plugging a box into my truck didnt get me into the 11's;) But I didnt have to go into the motor at all.

Ok, sorry i took it the wrong way, i thought you were trying to trash me personally. No big deal, we all have done that in the heat of the moment, ok, no offense taken. My deal that Mike can't seem to understand is that my game (if that is what you want to call it) is to find a ride, doesn't have to be any certain brand, and see how fast, far i can take it on as little money as i can. It is a challange to me and i get a lot of satisfaction out of it. My goal is to try to get it in the 12's and i don't always do it, i have failed just about as many times as i have made it, however, i still enjoy it. If i made it everytime then it would either get old or not as much of a challange anymore. It is getting harder to do though, i admit, due to the fact it is getting harder to find a ride in the price range i think i need to achieve my goal, and one that has the potential also. I have been doing it for 29 years, early on it wasn't so much of "money verses speed" as it was to just build a ride that was different. Currently i'm building a ride for my oldest boy, found a 86 short wide Chevy 4wd that hasn't been tagged in 8 years, was sitting on the ground without tires and wheels, had been run into on the drivers side, trashed the door and corner of the bed. My dad actually found the truck out in one of his friends field, paid $100 for it (yes, that is the actual price) and we began playing with it, i currently have close to a grand in it, gets driven everyday. Just got the a/c working, had to take the complete system out of a junker. Anyway, we are getting ready to spend a few days sanding and preping for paint. I do have pictures of it as it sits. Like i said before, i am in no way knocking diesels, have owned a few, may have one again. They just won't work for my game/challange and like i said also, that is due to the cost to purchase one, nothing more. My Dad and i own a farm together that is nothing more than a place for he and i to spend time together doing what we like............finding and restoring old tractors, just got done with an old Farmall Super MTA, if any of you are familar with these, they only made them one year. Found it sitting in a farmers field, more rust than paint, motor was locked up, paid $500 for it, hauled it home, took the head off, immediatly saw the motor must have just been rebuilt before it was parked, could still see the crosshatching from the cylinder honing like someone had just done it. Anyway, one exhaust valve was open and that cylinder had a small amount of rust around the rings, got it broke loose, new headgasket, carb kit, oil, spark plugs and wires, gas and it fired up. We found a factory wide front end and converted it over from the tricycle front end. Have put factory stickers on it and propane up front. Have pictures of it, looks really nice and i thnk the going rate for one of these restored like we did is around 6 grand...............not bad for a $500 original purchase price and a few hundred more to get it to where it is today. Anyway, if Mike doubts what i do, so be it, he can't change what i do/have done and i will stil enjoy it.

Again, Ratlover, no offense taken, ok.

Hammer, just curious, what does YOUR TRUCK run?

I believe Fletcher ran high 9's on his little ole 5.9 liter. Darren Morrison(sp.) runs in the tens consistently, with a pro-street truck. NLDP is closing in on the tens, and KingD's truck is probably right there with them. TS performance also comes to mind with a 10 sec. street truck. What about Richard Madsen? He also ran pretty Censored fast with a crew-cab looooong bed. I believe he's laid down 8-900HP and some gawd awful hight tq number.(1800-1900 I think) Lets not forget about Super Diesel who put down close to 800HP (I forget the tq.#) on a totally stock motor(even stock paper filter), then went out and ran an 11 in a CC DUALLY.

I think these are some pretty impressive accomplishments. And diesel motorsports are still pretty much in their infancy, compared to gasoline hot-rodding.

We diesel guys used to have to really work hard to attain 12s but no longer. 12 second times are very common now. We have to work to get into the 11s but even that is getting easier. ratlover is pushing close to mid 11s, Carbon 04 runs 12.5 on #2 alone ( wonder what he will run with spray?) I have Timdogs Dodge in the shop right now and he runs 11s, D_MaxDoug runs 12.1s at altitude. ( his truck would run 11s at any other drag strip). There are guys around the country with diesels running 11s that don't post here. We are getting faster; as Slick pointed out, our sport is still in its infancy. There is nothing wrong with gas trucks; Lord knows I have owned at least 40 of them and built about 5 with some real power. None of them compared to the truck I own now and all I have is a TTS program, exhaust, and lift pumps with some mild spray.

Well, here's a diesel that's totally stock except the fancy paint job and it runs in the 8's ):h : http://www.nitrousexpress.com/News/New_Diesel_Record.htm


Seriously though, this one is street legal:
http://www.bankspower.com/im_moparnow_spring03.cfm

Actually, to answer your question of what would I get if I only had $5000 to spend to get the fastest vehicle I could. That's easy, I'd use the one in my avatar......minus the fat guy.

Well, here's a diesel that's totally stock except the fancy paint job and it runs in the 8's ):h : http://www.nitrousexpress.com/News/New_Diesel_Record.htm


Seriously though, this one is street legal:
http://www.bankspower.com/im_moparnow_spring03.cfm

Actually, to answer your question of what would I get if I only had $5000 to spend to get the fastest vehicle I could. That's easy, I'd use the one in my avatar......minus the fat guy.

LOL, ok now, you should have at least 4 wheels, no crotch rockets allowed. That makes it to easy unless you have the guy in your avatar riding it.

BTW, pretty good numbers, quick truck.

:rolleyes: dude you seriously crack me up.

little 1/2 ton? I guess I could go on and beat my chest about his truck being lighter and ask if his little 1/2 ton could plow snow like my 6800# truck(or even put the 1000# plow up front and the 1k pounds of brick in the back that I plow with) or tow a big trailer :blahblah: or twist things in such a manner to show my truck as superior. I'm not going to say crap about his truck. He built what he wanted and is doing what makes him happy. That what matter. I'm doing what I want and what makes me happy and fits my needs. I just find it funny that generaly people that talk Censored and try to start some drama are the ones that have to use other peoples accomplishments as proof why thier stuff is superior.

No BS excuses. No cry baby:bawl: stuff about you have no money or :blahblah: , just tell me what have you done with your ride?


What have done with my ride?? Did not know that was the topic of this thread.

Well in the first 1 and 1/2 year, It was my offroad weekend machine, with 33" mt's and front locker . I have thrown more mud and busted more trails, and towed more fords then anyone of your diesels would ever hope too. Then I went drag racing, well after almost buring the pickup down do to grass fire, offroad is on hold. And now I go down the rabbid hole of speed. tried my hand at truck pulling, found out need more gear. Gears sitting in the shed waiting for lockers(detroit rear) As now I have done just a cam, my tuning, my piece together cat-back exhaust(dads leftover dmax system). Which has reward me with a 14.54 at 93.5 in the 1/4. with a cam and tune only. oohh and pick the cam used to.

Just a start. but parts are piling up in the shed.

Just dont get it do ya :rolleyes:

Need more gear? What kind of p/s do you own? I make so much power I am looking for less gear. As far as blazing trails with your truck; maybe down a dirt alley in the rain and pray you don't hit a pot hole cause you just lost a tie rod. These trucks don't like off road.
Hammer
You gas guys have one hero ( only one ) with a very fast truck that is totaly worthless and you wannabees will never ever come close to his times. We diesel guys have many, many heros ( unlike you guys) and we aspire to match their acomplishments ( totaly out of reach for you guys matching your hero) and we are getting there. And you?):h :cool:
mike

And this is where I check out, Mike L. and Ratlover if you want to take it to personal level, feel free to PM me.

thanks for for responses.

bye
CT

Now now, you know modding diesels is not in it's infancy, geeeezzzzzzzz, people have been doing that since the 70's. Countless farm tractors that REALLY put out some serious smoke and torque at all those pulls, remember them? And god knows how many outlaw semi drivers did it. I was doing it 20 years ago, however, my diesel wasn't a little lightduty 6.6 liter, it cost 3 times as much out of the box, weighed over 4 times as much empty, ran just as fast, made me around $100,000 a year working it when not playing, pulling sleds............let's just say the 40,000lb sled that brings your truck to it's knees at 300 feet, i would drag to the next county for your next pull and break the speed limit doing it. Would hit 100mph and weigh over 100,000lbs doing it. (yeah, that is 20 over the legal limit, but i'm the guy that made the ruts in the highways for ya pulling a grain wagon and a bull wagon, once in a while heavy equip) They were not that hard to mod, even that long ago, a bigger turbo on the Big Cam 400 and one of the oldest tricks in the book.......pull the cup off the back of the pump (4 bolts), stretch the spring out twice it's original length, add a larger button, get your buddy to hold it while you tried to get the bolts back in and hope he didn't slip and it hit you in the teeth doing it, and you have MORE POWER. Drop the 13 speed Road Ranger, turn 4th and 5th gears around and make a double overdrive out of it. Bad thing about that truck.........i got involved in some things i should not have and cost me a divorce (wasn't plannin on spendin that much as Larry would say), where did the half come from, she got it all. lol So, if we're keeping track here of who done what, i played on a higher, more expensive level than most, i think you could say. Anyway, don't take it personally, just giving you a hard time, all in fun here.....MIKE. Not taking away from what you have done. The truck? 1981 Freightshaker Big cab, air ride, 13over, not sure of the rears, been to long ago, had to be in the 3:70 range to run that fast, however, i could turn it a little faster than 2100 rpm's :) This was all before you could plug a box in or reprog. comp's.

I don't really feel like reading the 7 pages, but I did read the first response and as to that comment...

Be sure to check out Hot Rod's Drag Week this next week, you can keep an eye on my site, I hope to have live updated videos from each of the 5 days and 5 tracks.

If you don't know what Drag Week is... 5 days... 5 tracks... 2200 miles... no support vehicles... no trailering... you don't make it to the track the next day in time to get your run(s) in by 2pm, you're OUT! The pickup you are looking at will be trailering ALL of his supplies and pulling a trailer for the 2200 miles.

Should be good times... :grd:

I love diesel trucks BTW, but there aren't any impressive (11,10,9 second) diesels in down, so I tend to ignore them. I think there's a mid 12 second cummins in town but I haven't seen it for a while.

http://performancetrucks.net/forums/showthread.php?t=348829&page=6&pp=10

Just dont get it do ya

Hot Rod's Drag week

Guess who won the small block power adder class with 5th place overall and towing his own trailer and getting 13mpg while doing it. Also with average ET of 10.1XX

I start on post 52 because the rest is the week events.

Oh I get it, no diesels there hhmmmm???? Why???

http://performancetrucks.net/forums/showthread.php?t=348829&page=6&pp=10



Hot Rod's Drag week

Guess who won the small block power adder class with 5th place overall and towing his own trailer and getting 13mpg while doing it. Also with average ET of 10.1XX

I start on post 52 because the rest is the week events.

Oh I get it, no diesels there hhmmmm???? Why???




No doubt parish truck is sweet and makes some great power. but your comparing apples and oranges here. Lets Put that TT small block in A 7000+ # truck and lets see it go 10.1XXX. Dont get me wrong I'm not dogging gas I got a few gasser my self. As A matter A fact I got A 408LS1 going together for my 69camaro. But After owning 3 HD's first being A 6.0 second being a 8100 and My current Duramax there no Question the Duramax Takes the Cake.;)

Kinda reminds me of the Monty Python movie, think it was the holy grail. Remember the guy that was guarding the bridge.):h

Kinda reminds me of the Monty Python movie, think it was the holy grail. Remember the guy that was guarding the bridge.):h

Speaking of yourself I see):h

10's are fast for anything!! Let alone a street truck. Kudos to anyone in the 10's, and 11's for that matter!! :)

I wasn't looking forward to reading 8 pages of none cents, but it ended up being entertaining. Thanks to all for the last half hour of enjoyment. Now all I need is some popcorn for the next 8 pages.):h

I was doing it 20 years ago, however, my diesel wasn't a little lightduty 6.6 liter, it cost 3 times as much out of the box, weighed over 4 times as much empty, ran just as fast

You're a complete retard if you think anyone here really believes that.

A semi running 12-14 sec quarter miles, huh?

:shake:

You're a complete retard if you think anyone here really believes that.

A semi running 12-14 sec quarter miles, huh?

:shake:

Uhm, yea, I believe it. :cool:

Taken from this (http://www.landlinemag.com/Archives/2001/Oct2001/Columns/high_performance.html) article. And, it happened in your back yard.

"It was a beautiful day and 77 trucks came to drag race. Smith Transport of Roaring Springs, PA, stole the show with their highly modified 12V71 Detroit Diesels. Jeff Musselman, driving the Tornado I cabover, turned in a time of 13.54 at 107.92 mph. Galen Hoover drove the Tornado II conventional Pete for the fastest time of 12.97 at 105.39 mph. These two trucks ran side by side doing awesome burnouts filling the staging area with white tire smoke."

OK, so we go waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out on a limb to find two local trucks in the 12's and 13's. I have seen 'em and they are cool. But there ain't no making a living with those purpose-built trucks. They're riding on a trailer most of the time. They go by the house once in a while!

Honeybunz is claiming he did it with his daily driver / work truck 20 years ago. Complete bullshCensored it!

OK, so we go waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out on a limb to find two local trucks in the 12's and 13's. I have seen 'em and they are cool. But there ain't no making a living with those purpose-built trucks. They're riding on a trailer most of the time. They go by the house once in a while!

Honeybunz is claiming he did it with his daily driver / work truck 20 years ago. Complete bullshCensored it!

When you grow enough brains to know the difference between "fast" and "quick", then you can pull BOTH of your feet out of your mouth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
While you still have both of them in there, unless your truck will run over 118mph (fast........retard) then yes, i most certianly could run as fast as you. FAST= MPH QUICK=ET

When you grow enough brains to know the difference between "fast" and "quick", then you can pull BOTH of your feet out of your mouth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
While you still have both of them in there, unless your truck will run over 118mph (fast........retard) then yes, i most certianly could run as fast as you. FAST= MPH QUICK=ET

Think you just pi$$ed off Hammer with this one.:eek:

Honey, are you writing this from the computer room in the nursing home?

Someone call the nurse.....he's off his meds.

You can go "fast" (>118) in just about anything, given enough time! Who the hell cares about that?

My wife's minivan will do that! No one cares! No one! It's irrelevant.

Maybe I should start a new thread called "my wife's minivan is FASTER than your Dmax." Should be fun.

Funny that few diesel owners on here half to resort to personally attacking people, if others ideals don't conform to their's. (who cares if it bs, isn't that what guys do best is bs)


MY point was not about towing,or best all around truck. Is was about pure performance, which gassers do now on a daily basis. This why I choose to post about Parish8's truck, a testament to GM design. You don't see fords or dodges doing this sort of thing.

Until the everyday guy sees a dmax, stroker, or cummins compete in mainstream events and be competive, and NOT by creating their own little club either(dhra to name one, what the ihra or nhra not good enough), thats when diesel will become the next performance fuel!!!

Until then it's a Gas):h

Honey, are you writing this from the computer room in the nursing home?

Someone call the nurse.....he's off his meds.

You can go "fast" (>118) in just about anything, given enough time! Who the hell cares about that?

My wife's minivan will do that! No one cares! No one! It's irrelevant.

Maybe I should start a new thread called "my wife's minivan is FASTER than your Dmax." Should be fun.

Well, maxipad, it would most certainly get there "quicker" than your pos minivan would, you would be VERY suprised as to just how quick! Anyway, if you want to argue about this, i'll show you what irrelevant is........what i think of your opinion.......so go ahead and get to posting. lol I am not going to be a part of this.

Well, maxipad, it would most certainly get there "quicker" than your pos minivan would, you would be VERY suprised as to just how quick! Anyway, if you want to argue about this, i'll show you what irrelevant is........what i think of your opinion.......so go ahead and get to posting. lol I am not going to be a part of this.

Keep dreaming, Honey. The minivan would wax your truck in either "quick" or "fast."

You threw a bunch of BS on the wall to see if it would stick and it just doesn't.

I suppose you have a tale about your "world's fastest" riding lawnmower too.

This why I stay out of such discussions. I'll be the first person to promote a diesel. But I'm fed up with the diesel mentality. I know some of the guys on the diesel side are only try to piss off the gassers. I personal have been building a gas truck that will compete with diesel on many levels and it is still a work truck. I didn't build to show the diesel boys what up. I built to street race. It's my daily driver and it called upon to pull a few trailers as well. Don't really care what you think or say about it. I will race your gloryes diesel win or lose. We both will have fun thats all it matters and the closer the race is the funner it is. The only thing is the finish line can't be on the ether side of the gas station. LOL

I think gassers are just fine. I'm as interested in how they work and go fast as I am with diesels. A buddy of mine and I are probably going to build a 460 for a little hotrod project we're thinking about.

This little tete-a-tete between me and Honeybearz has nothing to do with gassers. He just started spouting some off-topic nonsense and I called him on it. He set off my Bullshiz-o-meter and I yapped back. That's all. Had he contributed anything useful to this thread, we woudn't be where we are.

I give all you gasser guys a great big hug....:hug:

Your not getting a kiss! LOL

Do remember 12V 71 that are used in the Tornado I and II is 30 year old technology. I've watch both trucks run, it was a blast Tornado I turned sideways at mid track and still ran a 12.50et. Being in the truckin business I've seen a few hot trucks runnin up and down the road. ;)

Your not getting a kiss! LOL

Do remember 12V 71 that are used in the Tornado I and II is 30 year old technology. I've watch both trucks run, it was a blast Tornado I turned sideways at mid track and still ran a 12.50et. Being in the truckin business I've seen a few hot trucks runnin up and down the road. ;)

whats the deal with your truck? is it running yet? i blew up my rear but once that is fixed i was thinking about heading to KC and going for a 9 sec slip.

whats the deal with your truck? is it running yet? i blew up my rear but once that is fixed i was thinking about heading to KC and going for a 9 sec slip.

Parish..are you using the factory rear or are you upgrading to an aftermarket unit :confused:

Funny that few diesel owners on here half to resort to personally attacking people, if others ideals don't conform to their's. (who cares if it bs, isn't that what guys do best is bs)


MY point was not about towing,or best all around truck. Is was about pure performance, which gassers do now on a daily basis. This why I choose to post about Parish8's truck, a testament to GM design. You don't see fords or dodges doing this sort of thing.

Until the everyday guy sees a dmax, stroker, or cummins compete in mainstream events and be competive, and NOT by creating their own little club either(dhra to name one, what the ihra or nhra not good enough), thats when diesel will become the next performance fuel!!!

Until then it's a Gas):h
Have you read the title of the thread lately. If your intent was , as you say, as testament to gasser performance you would have titled it differently to emphasize the positives of gassers, not the inferiority of diesels. The way you titled your thread you may as well have called it "Gassers are better than diesels, na na na na na na :p: " Yes, diesel guys saw that as a slam, and rightly so. When you taunt someone, you have to expect them to fight back.

yes fight back in a good natured way, not by personally attacking people. You know stiring the pot. :stirthepo having fun;)

But your right I guess, when I inclued "the next performance fuel" in my thread title, that says everything about towing 5th'ers:rolleyes: