Does a dually require a US DOT number if driven out of state?

Are you for hire? or is the dually personal transportation?





http://www.usdotnumberregistration.com/news.asp#21


READ "NEW ENTRANT"Edited by: mpl897

So if your not for hire and it is used for personal transportation then you don't need one?


What are the REGS excatly.


Personal, Business?


For Hire, Not for hire?


In State, Out of State?


Puliing trailer, not pulling Trailer


etc

Most drivers that I see that haul interstate,horse haulers, car haulers(private collections) put a "PRIVATE-NOT FOR HIRE" SIGN ON DOOR AND GO BY SCALES, ALTHOUGH you may want to swing into a scale when open and ask dot cop(creeper cop) some states want ALL TRUCKS AND BUSES to pull onto scale.


THAT LINK SHOULD HELP YOU IS FOR BEGGENINERS, best bet is to call those people and ask and tell them what you are doing with your unit.


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Looks like rules have changed as of 1/1/2003 even private carriers may need DOT # but it says engaged in "interstate commerce" but if you tell them you bring your car or truck to your brothers to "race" on the "weekends" you may get away from the requirements for medical card and regular "spot" inspections" WHEN YOU CALL THEM YOU BETTER FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU WILL TELL THEM WHEN YOU CALL THEMhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif


I HAVE BEEN DRIVEING A TRUCK FOR 22 YEARS AND I DON'T KNOW ALL THE RULES BUT I TRY TO LOOK GOOD GOING THRU SCALE SEAT BELT ON AND KEEP MY WEIGHT RIGHT AND THIS ALONE WILL KEEP YOU OUT OF ALOT OF TROUBLE. BELIEVE ME THE COPS LOVE "BUSTING:" A SLOB LOOKING DRIVER" WITH A HEAVY ,DIRTYTRUCK, AND BAD LOG BOOK...........Edited by: mpl897

Thanks for replies.


SO if your retired pulling a 5th wheel with a dually nationwide for pleasure do you need dot number?


If you put the "private not for hire" sticker on your truck do you need dot number?


If you get the dot number is there a whole bunch of paerwork yearly?


Yea yea yea I know call the dot and ask them....I just wanted to hear it from other dually drivers.

Some states are funny but as a general guideline if you haul for hire whether your driving a Mini Cooper or a class 8 (18 wheeler) truck, you will need a USDOT number if your transporting across state lines (called Interstate Commerce). Most states have their own number for instate (intrastate commerce) for hire travel. Most of the time if you are over 26,000 lbs and travel across state lines whether doing anything for hire or not, they may require you you to get a USDOT number and follow commercial vehicle guidelines. Take the NASCAR haulers for example. They are over 26,000 but not for hire but travel across state lines and must have a USDOT number and conform to commercial vehicle laws and restrictions.

If you are just hauling your camper I doubt you will have any problems........lots of info in the link above.

I have run a lot of miles all over the country with our 3-car hauler, which we use to transport vehicles for our dealerships with, and I have a "private carrier-not for hire" sticker on my trailer and I blow right by the scales. I am licensed for 24,000 beyond local and am always overweight and they don't give me one ounce of trouble. They have bigger fish to fry than worry about us little trucks. For a camper or any personal, non-buiness driving just go and don't worry about it. Even though I am hauling for our company I have never been bothered. But I gotta nice lookin truck and trailer, I go the speed limit, and all my lights work, so they don't bother me. Just run and don't sweat it.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Thumbs Up.gif Edited by: Cummins Luke

We have a DOT trooper who I've seen give tickets to us smaller guys. He sat at the COOP and was flagging in pickups. He nailed most of the guys for being over weight for their lincenes. Also some kid in a companie's pickup pulling a car trailer with a lawn tractor for not having a CDL. Now saying that we don't have any of the farm pickups with DOT #s and they are hooked up to livestock trailers most of the winter. Just pulling your own camper through here under weight you shouldn't have a problem at all. Private use I wouldn't worry about it.

I have never seen a DOT sticker on a 5er or any other kind of personal RV. I ain't gonna worry bout it. Im gonna load my camper and go where I want in U.S.A and I gotta farm tag.


Geno

I'm with you Geno, everybody worries, do I need this permit, do I need these kinda plates, do i need a DOT #, do I need to stop at scales. I haul for our business, and I have "Private carrier-Not For Hire" on the trailer, and No CDL, no DOT, don't stop at scales, and I'm over weight. I have ran this way a long time with not one ounce of trouble. Like I said, they got bigger fish to fry, at least around here anyhow.

Just wondering because I got a ticket for not having dot numbers on the side of my dually this past summer.


I was pulling cargo trailer with reg cab dually.


Cop said ALL trucks registered over 10000 lbs (duallys are 11400) must have DOT numbers on the sides. He said theres no exceptions except farm trucks with farm plates and limited to 50 mile radius!


He also said I had to have a CDL and log books to be pulling the trailer since it 'looked' over the limit!


I would like to see the Federal laws in writing that says this!

Just bought 29' flatbed goose. I am going to use it for hauling my own equipment as well as haul hay that we bale. I am going to get the trailer in hillsboro Kansas. I do have my A's so I am not worried about that part, but do I need to roll across scales. The trailer GVW is 24000 #'s. Any help from the experts would be great.

IF YOU STOP AT SCALES AND GO THRU -NO FINE, IF YOU GO BY SCALES AND THEY GET YOU IT WILL COST $$, MY GUESS IS TO GO INTO SCALE, HAVE YOUR STUFF TOGETHER AND THEY WILL MOST LIKELY GIVE YOU THE "GREEN LITE". IF PULLED AROUND BACK TELL SCALE PERSON YOU JUST WERN'T SURE SO WENT THRU SCALE.

Just wondering because I got a ticket for not having dot numbers on the side of my dually this past summer.


I was pulling cargo trailer with reg cab dually.


Cop said ALL trucks registered over 10000 lbs (duallys are 11400) must have DOT numbers on the sides. He said theres no exceptions except farm trucks with farm plates and limited to 50 mile radius!


He also said I had to have a CDL and log books to be pulling the trailer since it 'looked' over the limit!


I would like to see the Federal laws in writing that says this!





I got pulled over just 2 weeks ago crossing state line from NM into TX. PoE guy was pulling out in his car as I blew by there. He chased me down and red tagged me after seeing I had no CDL, no DOT # and no med card. I was pulling a gooseneck with 60 sheets of plywood for our barn we are rebuilding. I do not have farm plates but don't haul commercial. It's all for own use.
He said Fed rules are anything over 10.000lbs needs CDL and DOT #. Pickup sticker says 9200GVR and trailer is 26.000 GVR.
I can't find those rules anywhere yet though. Haven't heard anything yet so I still don't know what my fines are going to be. Had radar detector too that he was going to write me up for but then he forgot about it. I had to get a neighbor to move my truck back into TX. I guess NM don't want our business. Suure is easy though as it's just 14 miles to town. In Texas we will have to drive about 100 miles to get same supplies.

Sounds about the same thing that happened to me Dutch.....kinda sucks....But I do have the CdL...now I just gotta carry the med card and log book with me I guess. Even if I go to the store to get a gallon of milk in the dually I have to fill out the log book!

I have all my paperwork and still avoid the scales as much as possible.If you do get stopped,and your not hauling for hire PLAY DUMB! (which is easy for me)Alot depends on your attitude to the officer,I know sometimes you'll get a butthole,but sometimes I'm in a bad mood to.If it still worrys you file for your us dot #,get your cdl,then go in the scales and demand that they look at your newly acuired paperwork (just joking)have a good day and GOD bless

Here's an excerpt from my state's (Maryland) State Highway Dept. handbook regarding CDL requirements. I would have to believe the same is similar in other states since CDLs are issued by your home state and should be recognized nationwide. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
2. COMMERCIAL DRIVER'S LICENSE

The Motor Vehicle Administration (MVA) began issuing the Commercial Driver's License (CDL) in January 1990. All commercial drivers must have a CDL as required by MD vehicle law and current medical examination certification in compliance with Federal Motor Carrier Regulations.

For the purposes of a CDL, a "commercial motor vehicle" means a motor vehicle or combination of motor vehicles used to transport passengers or property if the vehicle fits at least one of the following conditions:

a. Any combination of vehicles with a Gross Combination Weight (GCW) of 26,001 pounds or more if the Gross Vehicle Weight (GVW) of the vehicles being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds;

b. A vehicle with a GVW of 26,001 pounds or more;
Note: GVW for a single vehicle and GCW for a combination of vehicles means the greatest of the following weights: (1) The value specified by the manufacturer as the maximum gross weight, (2) the opera

I have talked with a few Ohio State Patrolmen over the last several years. Everyone of them told me that a pickup towing a 5er or TT will get a ticket quicker for going into the weigh station then if they drive by. They do not have the time not the space to take all these trucks.


Can you imagine what it would be like on the 4th of July weekend? Or anytime between May and October for that matter.

hdmax....So that takes care of duallies pulling RV's.


I was talking more about Duallies pulling cargo trailers.


Captain....I am not sure if your conclusion is correct.


Duallies are over 10000lbs (11400)

Captain is right it's the same law here in CT.


If your vehicle has a GVW of more than 26,001 pounds you need a CDL. A class B CDL. Dually's are 11,400 GVWR


If your pulling a trailer (any trailer) and your gross combination of the truck and trailer is over 26,001 and the TRAILER weighs more than 10,000 you need a CDL, a Class A Tractor Trailer CDL.


So if your truck weighs 20,000 lbs and your trailer is 8,000 lbs 28,000 lbs total you dont need a CDL even though your over 26,001 GCW. But if your truck weighs 16,000 and your trailer weighs 10,001 lbs 26,001 total you will need a CDL Class A.


And aslong as you dont transport 16 people or carry hazardous material that needs placards you dont need CDL. But be carefull if you carry more than 100 gallons in a bed mounted aux tank I THINK you need a placard.


Connecticut is pretty anal about laws so I would imagine this law is the federal law that we adopted.


And since they started issueing CDL's to go to a federal type liscence it should be the same across the country. They wanted to stop the truckers from having multiple liscences in diffrent states and none knew that the other state had someone's liscence suspended.


So in conclusion unless your state has some really weird MV laws this should be good across the country.


11,400 GVW dually pulling any trailer up to it's GCWR which i think is 22,000 lbs should not require a CDL. Even though we register the trucks as commercial vehicles (anything over 10,001 lbs GWR).


But you still have to stop at weigh stations since your a Commercial vehicle, and you cant drive in the extreme left lane on 6 lane highways like Rte 95 here in CT since no commercial vehicles and no vehicles pulling any type of trailer is allowed in the left lane. And no driving on any Parkway's like the Merritt Parkway here in CT. In fact no vehicles rated over 7,500 lbs like 2500HD's too are allowed on the Merritt.


My .02 Diesel Dragon http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif

Thanks Diesel Dragon...

An important consideration is that the cdl cops consider truck gvw + trailer gvw, NOT truck gvcr, in determining
whether you need a cdl or not. I dont know if any of this applies to camper trailers, I think it's only for commercial vehicles. I have gotten different answers from different cops at different times. I don't think they really know how to handle the 'pickup with trailer' size commercial vehicle, since it's a relatively new animal.
My companies' rigs are approaching cdl size, these days, I may just go ahead and get a class A and not worry about it.

One other thing I have not gotten a clear answer on is how the 5th wheel issue is handled in these cases. The trucks we use are essentially mini-semis, the truck just hauls the 5th wheel trailer and thats it. As the trailers get bigger (and heavier) the cdl thinkg is becoming an issue. You can have a 16000 gvw truck(Chev 4500), and 10000 gvw trailer and no cdl, but if its a 5th wheel, and the trailer actually weighs more than 10K, you might be in trouble, even though a portion of the load is carried by the truck. In that instance you are better off with an 11500 gvw truck and 14500 gvw trailer.
I have not gotten a clear answer from the weih station cops about this. I dont think they really know.

Any Ideas?

Nick in Wa

(300,000 + miles in various Ford and GMC Diesels in ~20000 gcvw combinations)