Just stacked my LML with the bully dog performane tune and Diablo Sport Extreme power puck. Not as good as my LBZ stacked but very nice power gain. Still running all emmision control. Still having to regen every 200 miles which I was doing only with my Bully Dog also.

we've come full circle where a guy has to bastard stack to get performance from a truck. Good luck! Too bad it came to this.

Ok. Blackmax. Did you run the powerpuck by itself? How does the truck like the power? Does the tranny still shift good. Milage?

i was wondering what was going to happen with this. take ur emissions off

we've come full circle where a guy has to bastard stack to get performance from a truck. Good luck! Too bad it came to this.

Full circle it is :D

Ran the puck by itself. It alone feels just as powerful as the bully dog on performance setting. Together there is little more tire breakage from dead stop (traction control off) does not feel like there is 180 more (puck claims 100 bully dog 80) but there is more power than either of them alone. Transmission still learning the shifts but have not seen a limp mode yet. My lbz never showed limp mode either stacked with the diablosport predator and power puck. The only thing that sucks is not being able to change the speed limiter. I don't know on the gas milage been dogging it for about the last 500 miles. I know 2 weeks ago i went to Florida (live in atlanta) and got 22 mpg with the bully dog alone at 78mph on the cruise. Truck showed 24, bully dog showed 23, and hand calculated at 22. I've never seen below 17 while in regen which like I stated is every 200 miles for abouth 10 mins.

Leaving the emmissions on. I know what everybody says about warranty but I buy alot of vehichles from my dealer. I have not been turned down yet. At 5000 miles, with bully dog on since 40, they already had to replace the turbo, dont know why since I was in for a transmission line leak that they also fixed. Something about it making a rattling sound which I never noticed.

glad to hear its working for you. I remember when I had a hypertech and banks 6 gun stacked worked good for a little.

we've come full circle where a guy has to bastard stack to get performance from a truck. Good luck! Too bad it came to this.

bullydog downloader and diablo power puck isnt the "bastard stack" ;)

The original, REAL bastard stack pre-dates most people here, and its heydey was before your (and mine) truck was even built!

Edge hot juice/quadzilla 215. ;)

Any other stack is just considered a "stack".

The only other stack that had an official name was the "triple stack of doom", coined by McRat. PPE Hot, VanAaken (wow I feel old) hot, and PPE boost controller.

Ben

bullydog downloader and diablo power puck isnt the "bastard stack" ;)

The original, REAL bastard stack pre-dates most people here, and its heydey was before your (and mine) truck was even built!

Edge hot juice/quadzilla 215. ;)

Any other stack is just considered a "stack".

The only other stack that had an official name was the "triple stack of doom", coined by McRat. PPE Hot, VanAaken (wow I feel old) hot, and PPE boost controller.

Ben

You sure know your history grasshopper. :cool::D

blackmax11, Sent you a PM.

blackmax11 Do you have EGT temps with that plugged up exhaust?? I would be careful!

The only Egt temps I get are from the bully dog tuner using the factory pyro 1 and 2 guages. With both on max hp pyro 1 runs around 600 and pyro 2 around 900. If in regen pyro 1 moves to 850-900 and pyro 2 has seen a max of 1250 or so. I usually back down the power puck back to stock when in regen and lay off the pedal to keep regen time down to about 10 min. Its not a daily driver so its usually only runs on the weekends.

okay im sorry but im curious on why you keep saying "regen" (and this 10 min deal???)



-im asking this because i also want ot stack this extreme power puck with my ppe standard on lever 2, 90hp (63whp), so i can have a little more power if i wanted on the fly!

anyone stand againt this idea.. all i have is a 5" strait pipe and the air box mod with K&N drop in with ppe standard.. all i want to do is leave my ppe on 90hp (63whp) adn turn the extreme power up no more then 30 hp.

okay im sorry but im curious on why you keep saying "regen" (and this 10 min deal???)



-im asking this because i also want ot stack this extreme power puck with my ppe standard on lever 2, 90hp (63whp), so i can have a little more power if i wanted on the fly!

anyone stand againt this idea.. all i have is a 5" strait pipe and the air box mod with K&N drop in with ppe standard.. all i want to do is leave my ppe on 90hp (63whp) adn turn the extreme power up no more then 30 hp.


Are you putting the PPE on the 2011 truck? They haven't released tuning for it yet.

no its my 2007 classic LBZ

no its my 2007 classic LBZ

Why are you here?:rolleyes:

^can anyone answer my "regen" (10min) question, and give me some advice....

im new to this haha. i was just looking around for some extreme power puck advice and i came appon this thread, sorry i didnt know i couldnt ask a question about my LBZ

Keep readin buddy! Before you get flamed, I'll inform you that the LBZ has no exhaust filter, therefore never has to go through regen. If you are looking for more power, there is a whole section devoted to 2006-07.5 LLY's and LBZ's. That's where you will find what you are looking for.

bullydog downloader and diablo power puck isnt the "bastard stack" ;)

The original, REAL bastard stack pre-dates most people here, and its heydey was before your (and mine) truck was even built!

Edge hot juice/quadzilla 215. ;)

Any other stack is just considered a "stack".

The only other stack that had an official name was the "triple stack of doom", coined by McRat. PPE Hot, VanAaken (wow I feel old) hot, and PPE boost controller.

Ben


Exactly !

Edge hot juice/quadzilla 215. ;)

Exactly !

Edge hot juice/quadzilla 215. ;)

so who was the bastard mr cole or quad

or both

warning west alabama area........white 08 dually with a new heart coming.....danger will robinson.......down 8 weeks.......alive again by halloween:eek:

so who was the bastard mr cole or quad

or both

or PPE. :D

Bump... I'm looking for some dyno numbers for the puck and H&S stack. I'm currently running H&S hot deleted with duals. I was going to put in an order to Alligator get the puck & a banks cia. I'm looking to push this lml to the max any help would be appreciated.

so who was the bastard mr cole or quad

or both

warning west alabama area........white 08 dually with a new heart coming.....danger will robinson.......down 8 weeks.......alive again by halloween:eek:

How the hell are you my friend? Truck running yet?

Im surprised they didnt void your warranty for putting the two programmers on there

Anybody getting low 500's hp out of their LML?

Anybody getting low 500's hp out of their LML?

oh, well H&S dyno'd 508rwhp on their own LML and their own dyno. :D

hs is not even close to 500....475 with lift pump

hs is not even close to 500....475 with lift pump


but they say it is. They even verified it on their own dyno!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111!!!!1!1!1111111!!!!!!!!! :cool:

hs is not even close to 500....475 with lift pump


Have you dynoed 475?? If so that is better then what I actually thought it would be.

Has anybody done a good write up on a lift pump install for the lml. I haven't seen any kits from the manufactures yet?

I have yet to see one independent test with dyno numbers. I'm not saying HS claim isn't true... I'm just saying I haven't seen anything else independent...

I have yet to see one independent test with dyno numbers. I'm not saying HS claim isn't true... I'm just saying I haven't seen anything else independent...


I am.

I am.

:p::p:

I am.

Curious.... Have you even driven an H&S tuned LML? Honest question there.

Curious.... Have you even driven an H&S tuned LML? Honest question there.

Honestly, no. But ive seen enough youtube videos (including yours) to know that there is no freaking way in hell that its a 508rwhp tune.

I still havent forgotten about your offer, I will be coming out there at some point. Busy at work at the moment right now.

Honestly, no. But ive seen enough youtube videos (including yours) to know that there is no freaking way in hell that its a 508rwhp tune.

I still havent forgotten about your offer, I will be coming out there at some point. Busy at work at the moment right now.

It still amazes me how so many assume that they can derive a HP rating from a video... I guess at the end of the day, show me any company that is making more power on the LML? Even if you deny the 500hp dyno proven numbers from multiple subjects, you can't deny the fact that we are the leader in LML performance tuning for the past 8 months. We plan on keeping it that way.

Lets see some other mods along with your tuner like a turbo and lift pump and see if you can get up over 600. I wanna see 600+ on a new truck ;)

It still amazes me how so many assume that they can derive a HP rating from a video... I guess at the end of the day, show me any company that is making more power on the LML? Even if you deny the 500hp dyno proven numbers from multiple subjects, you can't deny the fact that we are the leader in LML performance tuning for the past 8 months. We plan on keeping it that way.

It still amazes me how so many assume that they can derive a HP rating from a video... I guess at the end of the day, show me any company that is making more power on the LML? Even if you deny the 500hp dyno proven numbers from multiple subjects, you can't deny the fact that we are the leader in LML performance tuning for the past 8 months. We plan on keeping it that way.


I suggest you send your truck to Westech here in SoCal. They do not lie. They have tested more diesels than you. They are the benchmark.
Run your test truck at the track. It was suggested that you do that many months ago but you didn't. I have talked to a few of your customers with everything delete and they said 435 hp on a good day.
Instead of taking the bulshit; run your truck at the track. Scared?
I talked to a friend at EPA and your stupid video got their engines going on more diesel smog stuff. Way to go you morons.

I agree with sheep man lets see smoke from the tires not the pipe i am sick of hearing "blow some smoke"

Acording to my passes at the track ive got 440ish with hs and lift pump please people dynos need to be a tuning TOOL... understand they can read whatever you want them to read

I suggest you send your truck to Westech here in SoCal. They do not lie. They have tested more diesels than you. They are the benchmark.
Run your test truck at the track. It was suggested that you do that many months ago but you didn't. I have talked to a few of your customers with everything delete and they said 435 hp on a good day.
Instead of taking the bulshit; run your truck at the track. Scared?
I talked to a friend at EPA and your stupid video got their engines going on more diesel smog stuff. Way to go you morons.

Many customers have taken H&S tuned LMLs to the track. Most are around 13.7-14.0 1/4 mile. 8000 lb trucks.... as long as their high pressure pump can keep up.

Once again, show me something that does better. I am glad to line up an H&S tuned truck with ANYTHING currently available on the market right now.

The video? Some guys just don't get it. That video was in response to all of the internet diesel gurus that claimed that the LML was "un-flashable". Well, we proved otherwise didn't we? Was that a tune that we released? NO! The point of the video was to prove that the truck could be tuned, and fuel delivery could be commanded at much higher than stock levels. It has served its purpose, yet guys like you seem to get off on spinning that entire concept for your own self gratification. If you want to knock the only company that is making leaps and bounds for the LML racing market, do it. But I, for one, love to help grow the sport and provide to the public the much desired products for their 2011-2012 Duramax.

Hundreds of happy customers tune their LML with H&S products every month, and I am proud to be a part of the company leading the LML tuning options. Explain to me this: WHY do you strive to talk us down the way you do? Do you have a personal problem with H&S Performance? I am honestly curious. You have personally never ran our product. I am a little confused by your actions and what motive you have to try to tarnish our name.

Sorry to the OP for the derail. :D

Back to work for me!

Acording to my passes at the track ive got 440ish with hs and lift pump please people dynos need to be a tuning TOOL... understand they can read whatever you want them to read

I could not agree more. Dyno numbers are a tuning tool, and quite often do not translate to a consistent track time.

Many customers have taken H&S tuned LMLs to the track. Most are around 13.7-14.0 1/4 mile. 8000 lb trucks.... as long as their high pressure pump can keep up.

Once again, show me something that does better. I am glad to line up an H&S tuned truck with ANYTHING currently available on the market right now.

The video? Some guys just don't get it. That video was in response to all of the internet diesel gurus that claimed that the LML was "un-flashable". Well, we proved otherwise didn't we? Was that a tune that we released? NO! The point of the video was to prove that the truck could be tuned, and fuel delivery could be commanded at much higher than stock levels. It has served its purpose, yet guys like you seem to get off on spinning that entire concept for your own self gratification. If you want to knock the only company that is making leaps and bounds for the LML racing market, do it. But I, for one, love to help grow the sport and provide to the public the much desired products for their 2011-2012 Duramax.

Hundreds of happy customers tune their LML with H&S products every month, and I am proud to be a part of the company leading the LML tuning options. Explain to me this: WHY do you strive to talk us down the way you do? Do you have a personal problem with H&S Performance? I am honestly curious. You have personally never ran our product. I am a little confused by your actions and what motive you have to try to tarnish our name.

Sorry to the OP for the derail. :D

Back to work for me!

Flashing isn't the problem as EFILIEV has been flashing them, the problem is reading them through the OBD2 port. Other companies are not willing to dealve into the grey area by not reading them through the OBD2 port, and hence why your company is the only one making delete tunes for the LML. The rest of us in the diesel community don't want to experience a backlash from the actions of one company, this is the main beef that others have with your company. Some of us know how you aquired your tunes, and don't want to see it cause an industry backlash. As for your actual tuning, from what I have read I wouldn't run it even if I could afford a new truck. Too many complaints of poor choppy tuning, but people accept it as it is the only option out there.

Flashing isn't the problem as EFILIEV has been flashing them, the problem is reading them through the OBD2 port. Other companies are not willing to dealve into the grey area by not reading them through the OBD2 port, and hence why your company is the only one making delete tunes for the LML. The rest of us in the diesel community don't want to experience a backlash from the actions of one company, this is the main beef that others have with your company. Some of us know how you aquired your tunes, and don't want to see it cause an industry backlash. As for your actual tuning, from what I have read I wouldn't run it even if I could afford a new truck. Too many complaints of poor choppy tuning, but people accept it as it is the only option out there.

You really believe that is the reason no one else is out there tuning? :think:

We will never make everyone happy, but we will sure try.

Flashing isn't the problem as EFILIEV has been flashing them, the problem is reading them through the OBD2 port. Other companies are not willing to dealve into the grey area by not reading them through the OBD2 port, and hence why your company is the only one making delete tunes for the LML. The rest of us in the diesel community don't want to experience a backlash from the actions of one company, this is the main beef that others have with your company. Some of us know how you aquired your tunes, and don't want to see it cause an industry backlash. As for your actual tuning, from what I have read I wouldn't run it even if I could afford a new truck. Too many complaints of poor choppy tuning, but people accept it as it is the only option out there.

no offense to efi live since i run it on my truck and love it.... but i think thats nothing more then an excuse....

We will never make everyone happy, but we will sure try.

you make me happy ):h

You really believe that is the reason no one else is out there tuning? :think:


Yes...we do... Just look at what happened to Edge. Tuning companies are getting scared and being smarter about their business. You guys are not. The EPA isnt fking around anymore. Its only a matter of time.

Yes...we do... Just look at what happened to Edge. Tuning companies are getting scared and being smarter about their business. You guys are not. The EPA isnt fking around anymore. Its only a matter of time.

That is a fine concept, but that has nothing to do with tuning the ECU. If others don't want to provide race tuning, that is fine. Tuning for street legal applications should be a walk in the park then? :D

You have stated "someone overseas must be tuning for H&S and Bully Dog." Now, if it were easy, and everyone could do it, why would you think that we need to have someone help us?

I know for a fact that both H&S and Bully Dogs tuning is done in the states

:Nothing_f but in all honesty, cant we all just play nice?:cool:

Go H&S. Thanks for supporting LML's.

People could just give H&S the benefit of the doubt, and assume they acquire their unmodified programs by cracking open their own lml ecu on the bench.

Just sayin.

Go H&S. Thanks for supporting LML's.

People could just give H&S the benefit of the doubt, and assume they acquire their unmodified programs by cracking open their own lml ecu on the bench.

Just sayin.

Most people know this is how they did it, as you have to tap into the boards internal port to read the tuning out. The problem comes in when you distribute the tune from said ECM even though it is a modified tune. It would be like taking a copy of windows from one computer and using it on another computer, it is copywright infringement. You own YOUR truck and the tune from YOUR truck, but if you flash in a tune that was derived from ANOTHER truck(since the tune cannot be read out of the OBD2 port under the dash we must assume the tune is from the OTHER truck your flashing in) you have just violated the copyright of the origanal tune. I hope this is a false understanding of the law, but from what I have read and others have posted this is the correct understanding of it. And this is why others have not released tuning for the LML. Flashing teh LML is NOT the problem, the folks at EFILIVE said they have done this already numerous times. The problem is reading the base tune file out, which is what GM locked.

When you buy a truck; you don't agree to not distribute the tune. I'm sure when you read it on the bench, you dont see any message that you agree not to distribute the tune. I get the point, but I'm guessing it would be an uphill battle Procecuting if you never agreed to anything.

Also, everybody bags on H&S for being in a grey area. Its their choice. Dont buy their stuff if you don't want.

How many companies have given the community the ability to tune vehicles outside of emission compliance? Isnt that grey atea at best?

Bottom line. Nobody else can support this truck at the time. I have been in edges office a few times lately. They aren't even close. I've been calling PPE for months now. They promised support by SEMA. Now they just say they are running into snags.

Thanks again H&S.

I have recieved lots of negative comments from people who do not even own lml. They say trans is week LOL! They say h&S is smoky jerky tunes LOL! I believe lml has some issues with new cp4 fueling. Lift pump helped but think truck my be maxxed out? I have not dynoed mine but went to River city pulls and hooked in large work stock class and took 7th out of about 20 trucks. My truck has h&S, fass lift pump, exhaust and intake. Most others d maxs had built trans with efi live, lift pump, head studs, turbo mods, cp3 upgrades. Lots of 6.4 fords with live wire tunes claiming 500 plus dyno numbers and I was right there with them. Stock trans is better than all other allys so far, H&S tune is smoke free and makes good power if you maintain rail pressure. It is not like efis hot tunes out there but for most people will be very happy with it! I give a ***** how they tune it. H&S got my 1200$ and would recommend to others. I would also recommend new chassie, it just works! Rides alot better, no need for tie rod sleeves, carries aload better, and has zero wheel hoop! Diesel power magazine should have results in next issue. I pulled work stock 7th place and 6th place in hot 2.6 class with 2011 gmc.

I have recieved lots of negative comments from people who do not even own lml. They say trans is week LOL! They say h&S is smoky jerky tunes LOL! I believe lml has some issues with new cp4 fueling. Lift pump helped but think truck my be maxxed out? I have not dynoed mine but went to River city pulls and hooked in large work stock class and took 7th out of about 20 trucks. My truck has h&S, fass lift pump, exhaust and intake. Most others d maxs had built trans with efi live, lift pump, head studs, turbo mods, cp3 upgrades. Lots of 6.4 fords with live wire tunes claiming 500 plus dyno numbers and I was right there with them. Stock trans is better than all other allys so far, H&S tune is smoke free and makes good power if you maintain rail pressure. It is not like efis hot tunes out there but for most people will be very happy with it! I give a ***** how they tune it. H&S got my 1200$ and would recommend to others. I would also recommend new chassie, it just works! Rides alot better, no need for tie rod sleeves, carries aload better, and has zero wheel hoop! Diesel power magazine should have results in next issue. I pulled work stock 7th place and 6th place in hot 2.6 class with 2011 gmc.

Why do you say there is no need for tie rod sleeves?? looks like the same pencil thick tie rods like all the other Dmax's

Iceman, The tie rods are larger in diameter.

This tie rod topic cracks me up!!! it really has nothing to do with the SIZE of the tie rods... the center link is redesigned

I figured there must be some changes in front end, I have pulled old ones for years and with out center link supports and sleeves they had tow issues. I was worried first time hooking with stock front and only spring wraps in rear but pulls smoother than any of my old set up trucks. cp4 pump upgrade and some Illegal stand alone programing and watch out!! LOL. Maybe H&S will do some really hot programs like PPE did with there programers for moded trucks!

This tie rod topic cracks me up!!! it really has nothing to do with the SIZE of the tie rods... the center link is redesigned

Whats so funny smart a$$? Why do we put aftermarket tierods that are bigger or sleeves that make the stock bigger to strengthen tie rods? Centerlinks help with toe in to take stress off the tie rods but the tie rods are still weak either way you look at it

easy big fellow I am just saying when the front end is set up properly sleeves are not needed but think what you want.

I spoke with H&S a while back. Im not far from their facility. It seems like they are open to some hot tuning, but nobody has a real fuel solution yet. It's probably going to take a second pump. I looked into modified cp4, but nobady has been able to get much over stock. I think wild diesel said they were only able to get like 5-10% more out of them.

Motorsport diesel has moded pump on web site. I have not called them with details tell I have extra $s to buy. I figure let them work the bugs out. I am hoping because of ford running same pump there will be alot of aftermarket support?

easy big fellow I am just saying when the front end is set up properly sleeves are not needed but think what you want.

Well I hope your right. I hope we don't need to do anything with the tierods. At this HP we prolly never will, but put some real power to them and they will need to be upgraded;)