is their a way to disconect the odemeter on the 03es, i am putting way to many hiway miles on my duramax, and would like to stop the process for a while, the power pup can be set for a smaller tire, but they still accumalete, on my older gmcs, i was able to stop them for a while, thanks for the imputhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif

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Can be done but there is no way in hell I would do it. I guarantee it is stored in other locations. If the odometer reads 30,000 miles less then the other locations, guess who is going to court. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif

wow, i really did not hink they would find out, i have heard of others doing it removing the c2clip, what ever that meanshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif

I used to do that when I was a kid to my cars. One day a girlfiend gave me an ass chiewing. She asked if I was going to sell the car one day and I said yes. She said I was cheating the next buyer. I felt real bad from that point on.

On the other hand.........


If your going to keep the truck until you have the junk yard haul it off and you just want to extend your warranty heres how to do it (F*&K GM)

Put H2 tires/wheels on your truck. You will get 113,000 mile warranty instead of 100k.

is their a way to disconect the odemeter on the 03es, i am putting way to many hiway miles on my duramax, and would like to stop the process for a while, the power pup can be set for a smaller tire, but they still accumalete, on my older gmcs, i was able to stop them for a while, thanks for the imputhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


Ermm...My input: Never ever buy the "low" mileage truck that Fred has for sale. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Dead.gif

The Mileage on the 03's is stored in 8 places in the trucks computer systems. You cha easily change the milage in the cluster, heck you can just buy a new one and start at 0, but anyone with a tech2 can get the truth. The only possible way to stop all the mileage recording would be to interrupt the speed sensing signals. That would trough off a lot of other stuff and throw codes though. Now you could change out all of the computer modules in your truck to reset the mileage, but that would most likely cost more than it's worth. Another thing to keep in mind is if you have big brother onboard, your mileage is tracked elsewhere as well. In the end remember it's so hard to do this because it's wrong and illegal. IMO a little extra warranty and trade in value isn't worth going back to the slammer..
Ox

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On the other hand.........


If your going to keep the truck until you have the junk yard haul it off and you just want to extend your warranty heres how to do it (F*&K GM)

Put H2 tires/wheels on your truck. You will get 113,000 mile warranty instead of 100k.


Purchased my truck in mid 02 and the dealer had a certificate for each buyer to sign. Basically, certifying that the buyer is aware that changing the tire sizes may void/cause pro-rating of the warranty. Their position is the mis-sized wheel has been on for the entire life up that point also. So, if the new wheel size is 10% oversize, and your injectors dump @ 93,000miles ~tuff.


Wasn't it Solomon that said 'There is nothing new under the Sun"?

Ask Martha Stewart. She can hook you up.

What happens if you change the PCM or cluster? Is there a way to get them all back in sync?

<DIV>you guys are making me feel guilty, i guess i will not do that no more, it just seams a bit unfair, when you put as many easy hiway miles as i do compared to someone that tows all the time then adds propane, and is constanly in the shop with head or injector problems, but i guess thats what extended warenty is all about, so do not worry max, pewter is not your color anywayshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif</DIV>
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What happens if you change the PCM or cluster? Is there a way to get them all back in sync?


The ECM and BCM will be correct and a Tech II can reset the cluster ....


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How come there are so many mechanic owned low milage vehicles for sell? I know of 4 instances where people bought a truack from a mechanic at the dealer who was the original owner. The trucks are all around 1 full year old and only have 4800 to 5200 miles on them. Do all mechanics live close to work or drive a work car or only go inbetween work and home?

no way you can

Explain this to me. When you test drive new vehicles at the lot, they all show very low milage on the odometer. Usually 5-15 miles. Some of these cars have been on the lot for up to 3 months. How do the odometers always read so low?

Bronco, because no one has driven them. They are not rolling back mileage on the lot.

Explain this to me. When you test drive new vehicles at the lot, they all show very low milage on the odometer. Usually 5-15 miles. Some of these cars have been on the lot for up to 3 months. How do the odometers always read so low?


My 2003 Tahoe has a Build Date of 01/2003....I bought it on 09/22/2003 ----- 9 months and a few weeks after it was built.


Mileage when bought 3.6 miles.


I guess it was not even test driven much.


Oh well..........go figure ?????????





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Explain this to me. When you test drive new vehicles at the lot, they all show very low milage on the odometer. Usually 5-15 miles. Some of these cars have been on the lot for up to 3 months. How do the odometers always read so low?


My 2003 Tahoe has a Build Date of 01/2003....I bought it on 09/22/2003 ----- 9 months and a few weeks after it was built.


Mileage when bought 3.6 miles.


I guess it was not even test driven much.


Oh well..........go figure ?????????





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Always sniff the seats of the low mileage babys ....The nose knows ....


I buy new ....


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My truck was built 10/02 and delivered 11/02. I purchased it 03/03. It had seventeen miles on it. I got it for 36 even @ 2.9%. Couldn't beat the price and did't care about the milage. I just always figured it had to be driven more in a 3 1/2 month period, although times were a little slow after 911.

it just seams a bit unfair, when you put as many easy hiway miles as i do compared to someone that tows all the time.........





Then why did you buy a work truck? Sounds to me like a Kia would have done what you needed.

when i need it i need it, anyways i found a way, thanks

Before I bought my NEW Dmax, I was looking at used ones. I ran across a dealer that had an 02 for a good deal about a yr ago. It was priced right and low miles (5200). When I went to see it, the first thing I noticed was new tires. I thought that was kinda odd, but Like most Dmax owners, the first thing they do is put Bigger tires on to make it look better. Then I got inside. The Leather seat were very much "Broken in". After talking to the dealer, it was a Truck from Canada. He says they have a connection on getting trucks from there all the time. He tried to tell me that people buy them, put a few miles on them and get another one. But why would so many people in Canada spend that much money for a diesel truck to drive 5000 miles and take a hugh hit on trading it in for a new one? After doing some research, I guess it is a big thing going on swapping vehicles between US and Canada. They have to convert miles over, and it is hard to police it. There has been some big Stings that have caught some, but alot get away. Being in the Detroit area, I know a few GM engineers that can hook up a laptop and "correct" every computer that holds the mileage, well so they say. I know plenty of people that have done it and never got caught. Even friends that work at dealers tell me what they "do". Personally, I don't think it is worth the risk with a diesel engine. They seem to hold their value pretty fair. As for a gasser..........

mechanics always drive someone eleses car to lunch.........you know a road test........I dont know fred a heavy weight (8k) stacked high hp truck like yours would be just like " someone that tows all the time then adds propane, and is constanly in the shop with head or injector problems".........really

Before I bought my NEW Dmax, I was looking at used ones. I ran across a dealer that had an 02 for a good deal about a yr ago. It was priced right and low miles (5200). When I went to see it, the first thing I noticed was new tires. I thought that was kinda odd, but Like most Dmax owners, the first thing they do is put Bigger tires on to make it look better. Then I got inside. The Leather seat were very much "Broken in". After talking to the dealer, it was a Truck from Canada. He says they have a connection on getting trucks from there all the time. He tried to tell me that people buy them, put a few miles on them and get another one. But why would so many people in Canada spend that much money for a diesel truck to drive 5000 miles and take a hugh hit on trading it in for a new one? After doing some research, I guess it is a big thing going on swapping vehicles between US and Canada. They have to convert miles over, and it is hard to police it. There has been some big Stings that have caught some, but alot get away. Being in the Detroit area, I know a few GM engineers that can hook up a laptop and "correct" every computer that holds the mileage, well so they say. I know plenty of people that have done it and never got caught. Even friends that work at dealers tell me what they "do". Personally, I don't think it is worth the risk with a diesel engine. They seem to hold their value pretty fair. As for a gasser..........

Don't misleed people here. Not all trucks from Canada have rolled back odometers. I have sold plenty to the United States and I can assure you that not one of them were rolled back.

There is a very valid reason why there were so many trucks being shipped to the US. The dollar. When The US dollar was strong we were MAKING money selling trucks to the US. That means that we could buy a truck, drive it for a few thousand kilometers, sell them and put money in our pockets ABOVE what we payed for them.


We were stupid to NOT sell them to the US. My dad drives Ford Super Duties and he was turning his around every 6 months with 15,000km's on them. He is on his 7th Brand new Super Duty truck in a little over 3 years. He never lost a dime. Not one were rolled back.

I'm not trying to mislead anyone. When did research, the info above is what I found. People can do their own research and come up with their own conclusion. But when I see that, and I know people that can do it pretty easy, it maked me not buy a used one and opt'ed for new. I know alot of people in the dealership business and to be honest, the majority of them are less-than-truthful.

I wish there was proof. After I reviewed my paperwork from the sales transaction I noticed 2 things. First the finacial lady never signed the odometer verification slip the state issues and second the type set on the sales slip was so far off the x never even came close to hitting the new or used box? When I registered my vehicle with the state they wrote it up as new and didn't care about the paperwork. The truck appeared to be new and smelled like new. It just makes you wonder if it had more like 50 miles on it vs. 17. It would make more since to me knowing the traffic this dealer gets and also the distance of the test drive. If I ever by another new truck I will watch it come off the trailer!

...... Another thing to keep in mind is if you have big brother onboard, your mileage is tracked elsewhere as well. ......Ox








Do you have proof of this?

It is not tracked by onstar. Impossible. It can be stored in the truck in which on star can access it any time they want but it not continuously transmitting data to on star with its location. In other words there is no rolling odometer on a computer at a control center somewhere. Yes they can call that info up if they want but they have to make a physical connection with your truck via cellular to access the data.

Here is another urban legend to add to the list. I heard (from someone at a dealership) that they have a special key that causes the odometer not to read. Plus, it was easy to remove using a tech II.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

Maybe it is not an Urban Legend?

It is an urban legand. The way the ignition works, it is just not possible.

I hope so. That means when I purchased my truck it had just what the odemeter said.

Well bronco, there are still other ways to do it but I seriously doubt the dealer would go to the trouble. Not to mention the legal problems if they ever get caught. Not worth the risk IMHO.

First off I meant to say that they can track it. Impossible? Hardly, if we believed in impossible, the world would still be flat, space wouldn't exist and neither would OnStar. If you check into the possibilities, with OnStar, they're endless. They have the ability to look at anything on the data-bus just like a tech2, Your milage could easily be tracked. Is it? Only they know. There are plenty of fleet tracking systems on the market that can track a vehicle and various perimeters. There are even some that allow you to get live tracking via the internet. Of coarse, if you're like wickedspirit, the OnStar and memory seats don't work in your base model truck with after-marker radio anyway, right Max?

Sorry fellas, didn't mean to make a scare, just thought I'd mention a possibility. These days, if you want to do things Illegal and immoral, there are plenty of ways to end up behind bars or with a void warranty

Take Care,
Ox

Anyone ever think of checking the tits on the tires. Some tites will go a long way before the tits are completly gone especially on the edge of the tire. (tits all gone more than 15 or so miles)


Geno

I have checked tities before!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


The other weird thing about my truck was the car fax report I did. It had it titled twice. It was only a couple of days apart and did not give any details. I have always wondered just how my totally bit**tchn truck sat on the lot for 3 and 1/2 months? It also only had 17 miles. I just could'nt believe nobody loved it like I did. Like I said I got it for 36k@2.9% before taxes and extended warranty so I felt like I was doing the right thing. The MSRP was 41K. I am not overly concerned, I just thought this might be a good time to bring up my truck issues. I was hoping some one could say" Yes the dealers positively have authority to not log test drive milage". I guess I am glad they don't.

First off I meant to say that they can track it. Impossible? Hardly, if we believed in impossible, the world would still be flat, space wouldn't exist and neither would OnStar. If you check into the possibilities, with OnStar, they're endless. They have the ability to look at anything on the data-bus just like a tech2, Your milage could easily be tracked. Is it? Only they know. There are plenty of fleet tracking systems on the market that can track a vehicle and various perimeters. There are even some that allow you to get live tracking via the internet. Of coarse, if you're like wickedspirit, the OnStar and memory seats don't work in your base model truck with after-marker radio anyway, right Max?

Sorry fellas, didn't mean to make a scare, just thought I'd mention a possibility. These days, if you want to do things Illegal and immoral, there are plenty of ways to end up behind bars or with a void warranty

Take Care,
Ox


RIght it is easy to disable.

Sorry, you misunderstood me. It's not impossible. It would just be to costly for GM to do it because it would require a permanant phone (cellular) connection. Airtime ain't cheap! I know for a FACT that GM does not have a permanant cell connection with each truck. (I work in the cellular industry and have various testing equipment to back this up). Not to mention that fact that there is NOT cellular reception everywhere. On star does not Transmit FROM our trucks via satellite only cellular.


Now with that being said, I have no doubt in my mind that GM can access the mileage stored in your truck in an module somewhere via on star.


But I know they are not tracking your every movement.

Some people are paranoid..


Re: Canadian trucks. Like others said, when the US dollar was strong, there were many Canadian leasing companies that would let you have your pick of the litter brand new truck every 6 months.. The monthly payment was much cheaper than if you had bought it. You were only allowed ~12,000 km's in that 6 months, or else you paid penalties. The reason for this is because brokers can take these slightly used trucks and export them to the US market, where they can't do that with a brand new truck, or if they can it is simply not worth it, probably due to duties, etc. BROKER could answer this precisely but I have a good idea of how it works. It's great for a guy who wants a new truck every 6 months but after paying X number of dollars per month for 5 years, you still don't own any part of the truck you're driving. It's possible that the dealer didn't roll the new gauge cluster ahead to where it should be, but if he didn't he's commiting a crime. It can be figured out by simply plugging it into a Tech 2 if the cluster matches the computer.


Re: the low #'s on the odometer in brand new trucks on the lot, there are lots of trucks that don't get test driven.. Perhaps your dealer has a demo duramax/allison that he lets folks test drive, rather than racking up mileage on all of them.. Or perhaps yours was tucked away in the back by the fence blocked in by other vehicles, so the ones at the front of the lot were test driven instead. There's no conspiracy, the dealers aren't rolling back the odometers on brand new trucks because of test drives. It's not worth their time / trouble / legallity to take 30 miles off of a new car's odometer just so someone thinks it's never been test driven.. Who cares if it's got 5 miles or 35 miles on it anyways? It's not going to make or break the deal.. There may be a few folks who it matters to but they are 1%ers and a dealer isn't going to risk all they have to lose just to cheat those 1%ers.

Well, mine sure got "demoed" and driven by the salesmen and mechanics - had 74 miles on it when I bought it!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

Sure it can be done, statistics say that 20% of all used cars have had their speedos tampered with. But for the life of me I can't remember how to do it on these digital-speedo vehicles.


I know... why don't you send these fine folks an email and ask them; I'm pretty sure they might stop by and show you how it's done. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Thumbs Up.gif


www.departmentofjustice.gov (http://www.departmentofjustice.gov)


Psssst... It's a federal offense - is it really worth it? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Thumbs Down.gif

Exactly.. Used car dealers and personal sellers may not care but I doubt any actual dealership is as reckless as that with the penalties involved with getting caught.

Just like etching and fabric care and higher than required interest rates. New dealers don't do that do they?

Just like etching and fabric care and higher than required interest rates. New dealers don't do that do they?


They sure do - and they will continue to do so as long as the consumers let 'em get away with it. At least it's not a federal offense to do so. (I'm still having a hard time believing that someone would actually ask a question about rolling back their speedo...)